Marc Forrest Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Must be because as a rule black people don't have blue eyes.... sorry, but as a definite rule completely wrong.
Labeat Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 I've got a great idea, lets all chip in and fetch him over
Ian Dewhirst Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Theres the rub as they say: "123" is pop, but if it hadn't charted and only sold a few copies, it would be "northern soul". If you see what I mean. The actual sound is 100% northern. Same thing in reverse - if "You Don't Love Me Anymore" - Johnny Caswell had been a pop hit I guess........ Same sound pretty much... Ian D 1
Steve G Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) Same thing in reverse - if "You Don't Love Me Anymore" - Johnny Caswell had been a pop hit I guess........ Same sound pretty much... Ian D Madera-White productions both aren't they….. Edited January 21, 2014 by Steve G
Guest JIM BARRY Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 sorry, but as a definite rule completely wrong. Is it just 99.9 % then?
Pete S Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Well if a record gets into the charts, it's a pop record, whether it's a soul record or a reggae record, if it's a hit, it becomes pop - but it's undeniably a soul record, like Israelites is clssic early reggae but gets called a pop record. I know what I"m talking about if nobody else does. Northern is meant to be underground - which is why you would rarely hear a million seller like 123 out. 1
Labeat Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Well if a record gets into the charts, it's a pop record, whether it's a soul record or a reggae record, if it's a hit, it becomes pop - but it's undeniably a soul record, like Israelites is clssic early reggae but gets called a pop record. I know what I"m talking about if nobody else does. Northern is meant to be underground - which is why you would rarely hear a million seller like 123 out.Bessie Banks... Go Now... original recording... 100% SoulMoody Blues... Go Now... cover version... 100% PopIs it Soul, is it Pop?
Pete S Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Bessie Banks... Go Now... original recording... 100% Soul Moody Blues... Go Now... cover version... 100% Pop Is it Soul, is it Pop? First one is soul, second one is pop, no doubt about that in this case. The fact that the second one is better than the first usually causes a few arguments though 1
Godzilla Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Now that we've triumphed against insurmountable odds and discovered that Len Barry is white (just as he looks in all the pictures and film footage of him) what colour eyes do we think Frank Sinatra had...? 3
Godzilla Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Bessie Banks... Go Now... original recording... 100% Soul Moody Blues... Go Now... cover version... 100% Pop Is it Soul, is it Pop? First one is soul, second one is pop, no doubt about that in this case. The fact that the second one is better than the first usually causes a few arguments though Yeah, someone should start a topic on that subject....
Pete S Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Yeah, someone should start a topic on that subject.... Good idea... RICHARD, WHERE ARE YOU?????
Godzilla Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Good idea... RICHARD, WHERE ARE YOU????? I bet he's at home listening to Georgie Fame while chucking his Billy Stewart records in the bin... 1
Marc Forrest Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Is it just 99.9 % then? dont know, never counted.
Haydn Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 If I didnt know, it would have been a hard guess imo
Julianb Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 His UK Brunswick LP is very good and very rare as well
Souljer6 Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 His UK Brunswick LP is very good and very rare as well And we know who's got a copy.....sort of jealous
Winsford Soul Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Jim Barry,s eyes are brown..... Who wished they was blue. Like his team. Mine are red with the tears of frustration caused by my team. Steve 1
Guest gaz thomas Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) its like trying to define hip hop its not black or white its just taste its just music if it sounds right to you, then it is right Edited January 23, 2014 by gaz thomas
Sunnysoul Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) In interviews Len Barry has expressed his bitterness that he never achieved the fame in the US that his talent deserved because of a kind of "reverse racism" . When 1-2-3 was first released, it was as big a smash on black radio stations as it was elsewhere but when it was discovered that he was white they stopped programming his follow up releases and so hampered their chart potential. This was particularly galling for him as he regarded himself very much as a genuine "soul" singer . He was equally bitter with the fact that his record label Decca dictated to him what his follow up releases to 1-2-3 should be. They were trying to steer him towards the white, middle of the road pop market (eg "Somewhere" from West Side Story) whereas he wanted them to put out his gritty soul orientated Motown sounding tunes. Edited January 23, 2014 by sunnysoul 1
Labeat Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Do you know what, I used to sing "123" to my daughter in her cot to get her off to sleep. Getting back to the issue of his eye colour, "Blue Eyed" is really just a loose term to describe a pale-face (with any colour eyes) singing Soul
Labeat Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Now that we've triumphed against insurmountable odds and discovered that Len Barry is white (just as he looks in all the pictures and film footage of him) what colour eyes do we think Frank Sinatra had...? We all know that Frank was reckoned to have blue eyes but watch some smart Alec come on here and insist they were actually Hazel (with close up footage) 1
Sceneman Posted January 23, 2014 Author Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) found this on popsike quote Artist : LEN BARRY Title : 'IT'S THAT TIME OF THE YEAR' Format LP Label & Catalogue No. UK DECCA TEST PRESS (LAT 8656) Country and year of issue UK 1966 Cover Condition N/A Disc Condition EXCELLENT According to 'Record Collector', only 3 copies of this LP are known about! (I've pasted the article below).This LP belonged to someone who worked for Decca, in the 60's and was never released. No cover, or artwork was sanctioned either. It seems that it's release was due on or about the date that Len Barry was about to sign with RCA, so all production stopped. I find it incredible that no copies were pressed at all in the U.S., but there you go. As for the music, well it's a top bit of blue eyed northern soul, which you'd expect from Len Barry. A couple of the tracks were issued as 45's and the remainder have been booted over the years. I've listed the tracks below. You see some really mediocre stuff on ebay where the seller says "You won't see this one again, for a long time", but in this case the phrase is warranted! price 647 Edited January 23, 2014 by sceneman 1
Labeat Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Well Mr Sceneman, you've had quite a varied response so far, are you any wiser? We know he's white with ? colour eyes, educated in a soulful environment, a talented singer but the question of his material being Pop or Soul I think remains unconvincing.
TOAD Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 found this on popsike quoteArtist : LEN BARRY Title : 'IT'S THAT TIME OF THE YEAR'Format LP Label & Catalogue No. UK DECCA TEST PRESS (LAT 8656) Country and year of issue UK 1966 Cover Condition N/A Disc Condition EXCELLENT According to 'Record Collector', only 3 copies of this LP are known about! (I've pasted the article below).This LP belonged to someone who worked for Decca, in the 60's and was never released. No cover, or artwork was sanctioned either. It seems that it's release was due on or about the date that Len Barry was about to sign with RCA, so all production stopped. I find it incredible that no copies were pressed at all in the U.S., but there you go. As for the music, well it's a top bit of blue eyed northern soul, which you'd expect from Len Barry. A couple of the tracks were issued as 45's and the remainder have been booted over the years. I've listed the tracks below. You see some really mediocre stuff on ebay where the seller says "You won't see this one again, for a long time", but in this case the phrase is warranted! price 647 which ones were booted
Agentsmith Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 as white singers go, with a genuine feeling for soul music, len is as close as damn it, probably moreso than paul anka...but then these guys got to hang with the best black america had to offer and it obviously rubbed off....len got to mix with the guys on the philly block and the result is a collection of tunes with a fair representation of the sound of soul. love "you can't sit down" with the dovells, big mod tune way back when as was "hearts are trumps " & "little white house", cut for cameo....then came all the brunswick stuff, all worthy club sounds through the 60's into the 70's.....then lo and behold, we get his unreleased version of "when you call me baby"...i think he knew what he wanted and even if it didn't make a hit, he wanted quality production...that's exactly what he got...you can never really believe that bobby goldsborough had any affinity with soul music, though his "northern" contributions owe much to the fact they made the right sound....so that, in effect, puts len firmly in the soul camp...do we argue about dusty then?
Liamgp Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) Good idea... RICHARD, WHERE ARE YOU????? Edited January 24, 2014 by ElGeePee
Liamgp Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 First one is soul, second one is pop, no doubt about that in this case. The fact that the second one is better than the first usually causes a few arguments though Oooh, Dave Godin will be turning in his grave at such heresy.
Guest son of stan Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) Slight tangent...Sarah Vaughan's version of '1-2-3' is ace and possibly a bit overlooked. Can't find on youtube . Had it on Mercury 7" for donkey's years but also found the LP in a charity a few years back. that's got one or two other belters on it. If I like it, I don't really care what category a record is in, much less what the artist looked like. This is on the jukebox in one of my locals. Superb record. I am sure it would have got spins if it had it been by some obscure / unknown artist.... (mind you, I do love the singer's other records as well and the work of the fella who wrote / produced it!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_Yj9oHikgY Edited January 24, 2014 by son of stan
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