"i Want A Guarantee" - Another Unissued Version! Who Is It?

[Benji]

my friend Joerg Puresoulie found this in Detroit, "I want a guarantee", uncredited 7" acetate. Same tune as Maxine Brown. I know there's also a songwriters demo acetate by Val Simpson but from what I remember that one is very sparse.

 

My bet it's the Apollas, what do you think?

 

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[TOAD]

Thanks that's great

[Soul-slider]

Agree re The Apollas.

 

Nice, let's get this one issued!!

Mr. Croasdell.....

[kevinsoulman]

I WAS GOING TO SAY LUCKY B-------D BUT I GUESS IF YOU ARE OVER THERE AND KNOW WHERE TO LOOK SOMETHING MIGHT COME UP ONCE IN A WHILE.NICE ONE MATE

KEV

[Mrtag]

Sounds good whoever it is!  

[grant]

Nice

[Tony Smith]

What a nice find!!

[Ian Dewhirst]

Proper old time stomper! Bet it'll sound phenomenal loud!

 

Ian D 

[Tony Smith]

Proper old time stomper! Bet it'll sound phenomenal loud!

 

Ian D 

 

We'll probably never hear it out loud, unless it goes on a certain auction site :-(

[John May]

Had a couple of listens to this......don't like it,  sounds like a session warm up. very sparse.

[Tony Smith]

Should come to Berlin when Joerg is playing Tony, would be very surprised to see it on "that" auction( i know Joerg well )

 

He´s got a great collection and is a good dj(pretty hard drinker as well like most of the German dj´s!)

 

Have a good new year mate

 

Steve

Heh heh, good to hear that Steve, Good New Year to you to mate 

[Benji]

So, do you agree it's the Apollas?

[Chalky]

Any clues on the acetate?  Where it was recorded etc?  

[Tony Smith]

So, do you agree it's the Apollas?

 

Were any other girl groups associated with Ashford/Simpson ? does sound like them to me.

[Speedlimit]

 could be candy & the kisses  weren't their two sceptre singles  wrote by ashford/ simpson

[Chalky]

I would have thought if the acetate is New York/Detroit then I wouldn't have though it was the Apollas.

Edited December 29, 2013 by chalky

[Souljer6]

Sounds like The Crystals to my ears.

[Guest Matt Male]

It could be The Apollas, because it was published by Warner in LA (and Renleigh in NY) and they recorded for Loma/Warner. Could it be something Warner pushed their way but didn't release? I can't explain how it would end up in Detroit though.

 

To my ears it sounds like them as well.

Edited December 30, 2013 by Matt Male

[Benji]

Any clues on the acetate?  Where it was recorded etc?  

 

Not that I know of. I understand blank acetate. I'll ask Joerg.

[NEV]

Should come to Berlin when Joerg is playing Tony, would be very surprised to see it on "that" auction( i know Joerg well )

He´s got a great collection and is a good dj(pretty hard drinker as well like most of the German dj´s!)

Have a good new year mate

Steve

Great guy to buy records off too

[Kev John]

my friend Joerg Puresoulie found this in Detroit, "I want a guarantee", uncredited 7" acetate. Same tune as Maxine Brown. I know there's also a songwriters demo acetate by Val Simpson but from what I remember that one is very sparse.

 

My bet it's the Apollas, what do you think?

 

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Hi Benji

 

Awesome find for your friend it's 1 of the best STOMPERS i've heard in long time !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

 

Needs to be issued legally imho i'd love 1 

 

atb Kev 

Edited December 30, 2013 by Kev John

[Ady Croasdell]

That sounds like a terrific version but not remotely like the Apollas or Candy & The Kisses in my opinion. I'll pass it on to some girl group experts who may spot it. Please tell Joerg that if we can track down the artist and label we'd be very interested in putting it on a Kent CD eventually   

[Steve G]

Much as it pains me to say it, it sounds like a New York recording with that manic percussion and trumpet - I'd say it's almost certainly the Discotays on accompaniment - so a Scepter in house production.

As to the vocalist not sure yet…..

Edited December 30, 2013 by Steve G

[Robbk]

It sounds nothing like what I recognise from Detroit, and not really like L.A. as far as the instrumentation and recording studio acoustics.  It sounds like New York to me.  The group doesn't sound like The Apollas to me.  Maybe it's a demo that Ashford and Simpson used to shop it, or to guide the chosen artist?  It doesn't sound like Candy of Candy & The Kisses.  It doesn't sound like a finished product.  I'd vote for a demo cut.  What female studio demo singers or group did Ashford & Simpson use?

[Steve G]

It sounds nothing like what I recognise from Detroit, and not really like L.A. as far as the instrumentation and recording studio acoustics.  It sounds like New York to me.  The group doesn't sound like The Apollas to me.  Maybe it's a demo that Ashford and Simpson used to shop it, or to guide the chosen artist?  It doesn't sound like Candy of Candy & The Kisses.  It doesn't sound like a finished product.  I'd vote for a demo cut.  What female studio demo singers or group did Ashford & Simpson use?

 

Valerie often sang em herself and changed her voice to try and sound like the singer she had it aimed at. At Scepter they also worked with The Shirelles of course although I haven't done an analysis of that.

[Garethx]

Sounds like The Crystals to my ears.

To me too. Could be from the same sessions as "Are You Trying To Get Rid Of Me".

[Benji]

It sounds nothing like what I recognise from Detroit, and not really like L.A. as far as the instrumentation and recording studio acoustics.  It sounds like New York to me.  The group doesn't sound like The Apollas to me.  Maybe it's a demo that Ashford and Simpson used to shop it, or to guide the chosen artist?  It doesn't sound like Candy of Candy & The Kisses.  It doesn't sound like a finished product.  I'd vote for a demo cut.  What female studio demo singers or group did Ashford & Simpson use?

Of course it's not Detroit. From what Joerg told me it's just the place he found it. The Val Simpson acetates demos I've heard so far were all pretty sparse and by far not as full production as this one here. I agree, it doesn't sound finished but it's close. Maybe some strings and more horns?

 

 

To me too. Could be from the same sessions as "Are You Trying To Get Rid Of Me".

 

The more you guys say the Crystals the more I tend to agree with you. I look forward to what conclusion Ady's Girl Group experts come.

[Ady Croasdell]

It sounds nothing like what I recognise from Detroit, and not really like L.A. as far as the instrumentation and recording studio acoustics.  It sounds like New York to me.  The group doesn't sound like The Apollas to me.  Maybe it's a demo that Ashford and Simpson used to shop it, or to guide the chosen artist?  It doesn't sound like Candy of Candy & The Kisses.  It doesn't sound like a finished product.  I'd vote for a demo cut.  What female studio demo singers or group did Ashford & Simpson use?

Yes Val did her own demos for Flomar and I have an acetate of her doing this one so I doubt they'd have done a girl group demo as well, hers had b vox anyway,

[Robbk]

It doesn't sound like Shirley Alston or The Shirelles.  If it's The Crystals, I don't recognise the lead singer's voice as one I know.

[Soulhawk1960]

Sounds great. Love it 

[Steve G]

It doesn't sound like Shirley Alston or The Shirelles.  If it's The Crystals, I don't recognise the lead singer's voice as one I know.

 

Could be one of the other Shirelles on lead, haven't checked yet…..but the more I hear it the more I hear Stan Greenberg conducting The Discotays. So 99.9% sure it's NY. When was the Maxine version recorded - 65?

[Robbk]

Could be one of the other Shirelles on lead, haven't checked yet…..but the more I hear it the more I hear Stan Greenberg conducting The Discotays. So 99.9% sure it's NY. When was the Maxine version recorded - 65?

Yes, 1965.  And, this recording sounds very like late 1965.