A Question For The Oldies Brigade ?

[Barry]

...well that's that one sorted

[Steve L]

Its all about taste, some people have got it, some people haven't 

[barney]

if only

its not a question of having or not having taste  

people have varying tastes,

I wouldn't presume to say some people have no taste . 

that to me would be tasteless

[barney]

As you say it is a very subjective and emotive subject.

However your "boss tune" sounds to me like Anne Murray singing 'Ave Maria'.....pretty awful.

In my ipinion!

 

 

Is Barney arguing with himself here (Oh sorry it's Byrney)

 

Well after listening for a few seconds to that boss tune that's another venue I can give a miss, it's like something I heard in around 1962 by  Alma Cogan or something,

I listen to more lively stuff with more boll***s to get myself to sleep.

thank you for your appraisal of my boss tune which was played at the very end of a great night of great music not all stompers not all oldies but I don't really differentiate nowadays I tend to class sounds as those I dance to , those I don't dance to and those I don't care for, end of and probably couldn't name many of any of the so called mentioned types ,  but hey ho I can live with that .

[Guest Bearsy]

Is Barney arguing with himself here (Oh sorry it's Byrney)

 

Well after listening for a few seconds to that boss tune that's another venue I can give a miss, it's like something I heard in around 1962 by  Alma Cogan or something,

I listen to more lively stuff with more boll***s to get myself to sleep.

I love Alma Colgan she was one of my dads fave singers I basically grew up with her and I think your being very offensive to Alma to say that pile of shite sounds anything like her Bri :-)

[Labeat]

It does you good to disagree with your own shadow now and again!

[Mak]

It does you good to disagree with your own shadow now and again!

No it doesn't !!!.....

Edited December 21, 2013 by MAK

[Steve L]

al Williams for one chalky  

Richard Searling came to the 8 Bells in Mansfield (firmly in the east midlands) in 1979 (twice) to do a guest spot at what was just a small do above a pub on a midweek night .

At the time he was by far & away the best DJ on the scene, his plays included Cecil Washington (aka Joe Matthews) Vickie Baines (aka Christine Cooper) Billy Hambric and many more top, top tunes of the day -also he played one record on Palmer/LA Beat (not sure which) - a certain Al Williams - I Am Nothing, absolute quality and a massive well known tune to all those around at the time!!

Its a pity its taken 34 year for some other people to cotton on

[Steve L]

Court Davis, John & The Weirdest ( both sides ) how long before these become accepted ?? Anytime before 2018 ??

[Calvinlee]

Here's one for ya, a handful of things I played (no particular order) in an hour at a recent event:

Honeybees - lets get back together

Dennis Edwards - I didn't have to

Charles Burns - I love my baby

Stormy - devastator

Trent Sisters - a letter a day

Joey Heatherton - call me baby

Little Stanley - outta sight lovin

Little Willie Faulk - look into my heart

Donne Wells - you've got my love

West Coast Distributors - girl I love you

Combinations - whatcha gonna do

Del Tours -sweet and lovely

Alice Clark - you hit me

Brand new Faces - brand new faces

Citations - two for the road

Mystiques - put out the fire

Pee Wee Shuck n Huey - beside myself

Can't remember what else ...

 

I attended this event and loved your spot and I'm 18 so as for the "young crowd" wanting oldies not all of us are trying to relive the dream haha. Personally I'd rather attend venues like grumpys and hear things like the imperial C's- someone tell her or the magnetics- lady in green because you don't hear them everywhere you go. Also for some reason hearing the rarer stuff like margaret little- love finds a way or the prophets-one gold piece thrills me because of how rare they are and that people like phil and the rest of the grumpys crowd spend a lot of money which shows there dedication to the music! But i think that some people should open there eyes to see that its not just the same old battered oldies and that there are tunes which in my opinion are ten times better!

cheers calvin

[Labeat]

No it doesn't !!!.....

 

Of course it does, if you can win the argument ha ha!!!

Have a good xmas

[KevH]

apologise for the strong language used yesterday no excuse but mad Friday afternoon and nite contributed some what,

everyone has a right to their views within reason , some people are more passionate about things wrt our scene and long may it continue ,

me I grew up with this music and everything was wonderfull and new as a callow youth in the late sixties but Im a lot older now and have an onboard filtering system that chooses my music its called experience and it doesn't let me down when deciding good or bad records but it is subjective ,

 merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year to all soulies every where .

heres my boss tune from last night at the trades ,

 

https://youtu.be/OrYIJpmEp3Y

 

Is that Popcorn.? 

[KevH]

Richard Searling came to the 8 Bells in Mansfield (firmly in the east midlands) in 1979 (twice) to do a guest spot at what was just a small do above a pub on a midweek night .

At the time he was by far & away the best DJ on the scene, his plays included Cecil Washington (aka Joe Matthews) Vickie Baines (aka Christine Cooper) Billy Hambric and many more top, top tunes of the day -also he played one record on Palmer/LA Beat (not sure which) - a certain Al Williams - I Am Nothing, absolute quality and a massive well known tune to all those around at the time!!

Its a pity its taken 34 year for some other people to cotton on

 

He played AW twice that night didn't he.? What a spot though. Heard it at Wigan the week before and the week after.Pretty much overplayed by then.    

[Scal]

Wall, bang, brick, head, against!!!!!!!

[KevH]

Wall, bang, brick, head, against!!!!!!!

 

Come on need more to go on.

[barney]

and I suppose this thread will make a difference ,

people will choose what they like and want to do despite what is said on here , and from what I see and experience the oldies scene is doing very well but it will eventually die out and the rare/modern and other genres will catrry on under ground where the oldies will come back into it .

unfortunately those who were in it from the start are getting thin on the ground and all of us who got on the bus in the intervening years are getting old , so is calvin lee the future .

[barney]

He played AW twice that night didn't he.? What a spot though. Heard it at Wigan the week before and the week after.Pretty much overplayed by then.

so does this mean a good record becomes a bad record because it becomes popular

are we into the throwaway lifestyle on the soul scene ,

buy a nice top from primark for a fiver wear it once and sling it and buy something else for the next night out

[Chalky]

so does this mean a good record becomes a bad record because it becomes popular

are we into the throwaway lifestyle on the soul scene ,

buy a nice top from primark for a fiver wear it once and sling it and buy something else for the next night out

 

No it doesn't mean it is a bad record but the DJ's these days have to hammer every record until every ounce of goodness is drained from it.  Familiarity breads contempt is never truer than on this scene.  It's the very fact that the DJ's today have little imagination whereas once upon a time a long time ago DJ's all had individuality and imagination.  If today's scene was like that it would be  a far better scene for it.  

 

Dj's have never had so many records to choose from yet all you hear in so many venues is the same old same.

 

Some of my favourite records are classics but I have heard them so often I couldn't care less if I never heard them again.  All those who returned to the scene who are IMO responsible for this, when they were away doing whatever they did, what diid they listen to?  A tape recording of the same top forty for 20 odd years? 

Edited December 22, 2013 by chalky

[Scal]

Irony.....it's a bit of a paradox really.

( And please don't anyone go on about crap records on Polydor!)

[barney]

chalky

records were hammered to death back in the day sometimes played several times a night so nowt new there then ,

but yes they were overplayed and put in the not needed box only to be rediscovered its a continuos process .

what goes round comes round , and long may it continue.

so I take it you would ban returnees

ORIGINAL SOULIES CONTINOUS ATTENDERS REQUIRED

AKA OSCAR

perhaps somebody will form a club and give out Oscars lol

Edited December 22, 2013 by barney

[Chalky]

chalky

records were hammered to death back in the day sometimes played several times a night so nowt new there then ,

but yes they were overplayed and put in the not needed box only to be rediscovered its a continuos process .

what goes round comes round , and long may it continue

 

I agree records were hammered, same in any scene but they had a shelf life and they were soon replaced by new discoveries.  DJ's these days don't seem to have a not needed box anymore and feel it unnecessary to look for something forgotten or even new.

 

As I said the choice available to DJ's has never been greater so why not use them?

Edited December 22, 2013 by chalky

[KevH]

so does this mean a good record becomes a bad record because it becomes popular

are we into the throwaway lifestyle on the soul scene ,

buy a nice top from primark for a fiver wear it once and sling it and buy something else for the next night out

 

AW is an all time classic.Right up there with the best.I was being ironic re: The 8 Bells post.

The point i was making is that its been played everywhere,even the East Mids,and shouldn't be listed as an underplayed oldie. 

TKMaxx is better than Primark so there. .

[barney]

I agree records were hammered, same in any scene but they had a shelf life and they were soon replaced by new discoveries.  DJ's these days don't seem to have a not needed box anymore and feel it unnecessary to look for something forgotten or even new.

 

As I said the choice available to DJ's has never been greater so why not use them?

your spot on mate

but we then go into that well trodden path wrt wannabee dj,s its easy to become dedicated and dj spend loads of dosh on a box of contemporary hits and get yourself some gear and a venue invite ya mates and those who,s venue you wanna dj at to dj at yours , mix them all up and hope for the best . yes tooooooo many djs specially lazy ones who don't care for the music but crave the kudos

[Kev Cane]

I agree records were hammered, same in any scene but they had a shelf life and they were soon replaced by new discoveries.  DJ's these days don't seem to have a not needed box anymore and feel it unnecessary to look for something forgotten or even new.

 

As I said the choice available to DJ's has never been greater so why not use them?

So true Chalky, we have been here before me thinks, no individuality,no imagination, so and so is a big DJ, he played such and such last night, if I go out and spend a shed load of cash and buy the same records then I will be a big DJ, no, they are his records, best of luck to him, I am going to put some leg work in, do some research and bloody enjoy buying MY records, that I like, instead, the cycle just repeats and repeats itself until we can predict what records so and so will play, and in what order.

 

Yours Truly

 

Bored Shitless

[KevH]

I like dj's who can pull a rabbit out of the hat.If that means an unexpected oldie then so be it.

DJing by numbers is not for me.

[Chalky]

so I take it you would ban returnees

ORIGINAL SOULIES CONTINOUS ATTENDERS REQUIRED

 

 

I wouldn't ban anyone but I would expect anyone who attends a club to respect what the promoter is doing and what the club is advertised as.  Many a time I've DJ'ed at events where it isn't about oldies, yet some muppet comes up and asks for oldies.

[Zed1]

 

 

Some of my favourite records are classics but I have heard them so often I couldn't care less if I never heard them again.  All those who returned to the scene who are IMO responsible for this,

 

May have been true a few years ago, but these days a big chunk of those attending your typical local soul night are pretty much new to the scene, and have joined because of the social aspect of nights out with people their own age rather than any desire they may have to relive their Yoof'.... 

 

Ruby Andrews is the perfect example, ie it may be old, but it's not an oldie as such. It just fits perfectly in todays nice inoffensive 'disco' scene where tracks are popular because of their safe tempo and production, hence why stuff like Sidney Barnes, DJ Genitals, Party Time Man and that hateful Tribute thing  fill dance floors up and down the country every week......

[Scal]

Is there anyone on here who isn't a DJ?

[Steve L]

AW is an all time classic.Right up there with the best.I was being ironic re: The 8 Bells post.

The point i was making is that its been played everywhere,even the East Mids,and shouldn't be listed as an underplayed oldie. 

TKMaxx is better than Primark so there. .

 

Whoooooooosh!

[davidwapples]

Is there anyone on here who isn't a DJ?

Only those who can't get a spot ;P

[barney]

Is there anyone on here who isn't a DJ?

Is there anyone on here who isn't a DJ?

please sir

me me me

[Scal]

If only that were the case....somehow I get the impressiin that you are being playfully incongruous?

[barney]

If only that were the case....somehow I get the impressiin that you are being playfully incongruous?

pray may I ask to what and whom do you refer

[Godzilla]

If only that were the case....somehow I get the impressiin that you are being playfully incongruous?

 

If you're going to use words like 'incongruous' you really ought to have a better stab at spelling 'impression' 

[Guest Byrney]

so does this mean a good record becomes a bad record because it becomes popularare we into the throwaway lifestyle on the soul scene ,buy a nice top from primark for a fiver wear it once and sling it and buy something else for the next night out

Even a £600 CP Company jacket looks jaded if worn every weekend for 30 + years, put it the wardrobe for a decade and treat yourself to something new Ducky ;)

[Scal]

The post before yours.

[Chalky]

May have been true a few years ago, but these days a big chunk of those attending your typical local soul night are pretty much new to the scene, and have joined because of the social aspect of nights out with people their own age rather than any desire they may have to relive their Yoof'.... 

 

Ruby Andrews is the perfect example, ie it may be old, but it's not an oldie as such. It just fits perfectly in todays nice inoffensive 'disco' scene where tracks are popular because of their safe tempo and production, hence why stuff like Sidney Barnes, DJ Genitals, Party Time Man and that hateful Tribute thing  fill dance floors up and down the country every week......

 

 

Ruby Andrews is old and a classic example of what we are talking about.  Most soul nights I attend the large part are far from young?

[Kev Cane]

Is there anyone on here who isn't a DJ?

Moi  

 

Kev

[KevH]

Is there anyone on here who isn't a DJ?

 

You could start a thread about that.

[Scal]

You could start a thread about that.

[Peter99]

I am simple.

 

To a simpleton such as I it feels like this thread has evolved into something that is hard to comprehend for a simpleton such as I.

 

What does it all mean? Where is it all going and why the fcuk do I feel like I'm in Kevs handcart?

 

 

Peter

Edited December 22, 2013 by Peter99

[KevH]

Sorry.

[Scal]

You could start a thread about that.

I would rather stick hot needles into my eyeballs!

[bri phill]

I love Alma Colgan she was one of my dads fave singers I basically grew up with her and I think your being very offensive to Alma to say that pile of shite sounds anything like her Bri :-)

No offence was meant Paul my sincere apologies I was a bit harsh comparing that song with a British icon such has the tragic dear Alma.

Is it a Doris Day cover up by any chance?

[Len]

A soul pack record does't necessarily make it a common record.  John said he would use records for soul packs when he needed money.  He might have a box of 25 of a particular record, he might have a 100 but they were used regardless.  Very few might have turned up since so in essence some so called soul pack records might just be pretty rare and not as common as the term suggests.

 

That did need pointing out actually. On second glance, my post did portray...'there's loads of em'....didn't it? (I meant it has been known to some for a long time)

 

All the best,

 

Len  

[Len]

so does this mean a good record becomes a bad record because it becomes popular

 

 

Yup - I now don't want hear 'Sandy Golden' for at least five years - The thread on it alone, somehow 'stole it's magic'.....Come on - We love being a f*ckle lot!

 

Len  

[Len]

  It's the very fact that the DJ's today have little imagination whereas once upon a time a long time ago DJ's all had individuality and imagination.  

 

 

Thus, creating an exciting Scene....Which is basically what you said / meant - I'm 'heartily' agreeing  

 

When anything is predictable, there's no excitement........ Yes, some of these D.J's also played some 'naff' records whilst experimenting (by their own admission), but by doing so, it made it exciting (Sadly, I only caught the back end of these times) I would rather say...."Chri*t what's this awful record?" (Knowing that it was only a matter of time until 'BANG!'...."Wow" happened)....over...."Oh, not this again".......I think  

 

Len  

Edited December 23, 2013 by LEN

[Steve G]

May have been true a few years ago, but these days a big chunk of those attending your typical local soul night are pretty much new to the scene, and have joined because of the social aspect of nights out with people their own age rather than any desire they may have to relive their Yoof'.... 

 

Ruby Andrews is the perfect example, ie it may be old, but it's not an oldie as such. It just fits perfectly in todays nice inoffensive 'disco' scene where tracks are popular because of their safe tempo and production, hence why stuff like Sidney Barnes, DJ Genitals, Party Time Man and that hateful Tribute thing  fill dance floors up and down the country every week......

 

Interesting we are certainly seeing some youngsters down in London, which is great. Enthusiastic and no "I went to Wigan Casino" or angry "Play something we know" baggage....

 

....But dear old Ruby andrews ffs - been hammered by just about every soul night DJ in the land for over 20 years......so that's hundreds and hundresds of 'em. It needs extracting from all of their playboxes / hotboxes etc. and banishing to the top shelf for at least another 20 years.....another example of a lazy DJs record.

Edited December 23, 2013 by Steve G

[Guest Soultown andy]

Interesting we are certainly seeing some youngsters down in London, which is great. Enthusiastic and no "I went to Wigan Casino" or angry "Play something we know" baggage....

 

....But dear old Ruby andrews ffs - been hammered by just about every soul night DJ in the land for over 20 years......so that's hundreds and hundresds of 'em. It needs extracting from all of their playboxes / hotboxes etc. and banishing to the top shelf for at least another 20 years.....another example of a lazy DJs record.

Ive sold 3 copies of ra jlu in the last 6 mths and they've all gone to local soul club djs,so avoid the nw steve lol.On the other hand Manchester has a very vibrant youthful soul scene emerging so its not all doom and gloom round here.

[Chalky]

Major cities will always have a decent number of youngsters but major cities are representative of the country as a whole. Neither do you see them travel. There are plenty from London, Manchester, Leeds and other cities who bang on about wanting something new and are never seen outside of where they live, unless of course they are djing.

Edited December 23, 2013 by chalky