A Question For The Oldies Brigade ?

[Steve G]

A Question For The Oldies Brigade ?

 

...erm...at me last gig...I was approached in an affectionate manner by a fellow DJ who prides himself on his 'modern' approach....with things like 'Tribute'...and told 'we' are of similar ilk....'modern' DJ's...! I had never considered myself one......ever.....'Northern DJ first and foremost! But 'I'm So Happy...and Love is A Serious Business....and...Love Factory.....all represented a 'modern' approach....apparently!!x I did smile.....! I do remember having to listen to I'm So Happy a few times before I felt confident with it....in 1994! It eventually became a kind of signature tune wherever I D'd! However....it was never part of me original 100 taped Northern Tunes....and perhaps....wouldnever had made them either....if i;d have been choosing them....back in '74/5!!!x To me.....I'm So Happy...Heaven in The Afternoon and the like.....are 'disco' genre.......in me head! I have never danced to them really....or they don;t 'grab' me to dance.....but.....I play them....cos the people...in the 90's...and today....want to hear and dance to them......being a DJ....I do!!x

 

I heard and saw the reaction to the 'modern' Sidney Barnes tune too...3 months ago! Never heard it....understand it to be an Ian Levine recentish production...then heard it at 2 venues over the week-end....folk danced....and why not...as did I....the 3rd time of hearing it.....and I was given a copy by a fellow DJ...and yup....i;ll play it!!x So...what i;m saying is....'Northern'...is Northern....from wherever...whatever....despite my personal 60's butt kicking perversions!!x

 

 

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SOOTY

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...and if I remember......after Love Factory that night....I said....'let's get back to some puuuuuuuure Norvern.....stomp time.....!!!"....and spun Lou Pride....i;m Coming 'Ome....which rocked and packed further.......!!! Wot do I know???!!!hehe!!x

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Sums it all up for me rather nicely actually....

 

"Modern DJ" playing Alfie Davison, Prince Phillip Mitchell etc......what a f*ckin joke. Played at the Casino 33 years ago, and nearer to you, you should know we were hammering them at the Fleet, St Ives and Wirrina early 80s too (Adam & myself).....And all you can come up with in repost is good old Lou Pride yawn yawn yawn.   

 

Sidney Barnes "Solid ground"? - I have left many a room when a so called DJ has put this on. lazy man's record. DJ Genesis ruined a perfect decent Betty Wright record.

 

Keep saying it, but why not leave these revivalists to get on with it? - going same places dancing to the classic oldies. They ain't never gonna change in a million years, so why do we persist in moaning about 'em?  Like complaining about the weather......

Edited December 16, 2013 by Steve G

[Steve S 60]

Sums it all up for me rather nicely actually....

 

"Modern DJ" playing Alfie Davison, Prince Phillip Mitchell etc......what a f*ckin joke. Played at the Casino 33 years ago, and nearer to you, you should know we were hammering them at the Fleet, St Ives and Wirrina early 80s too (Adam & myself).....And all you can come up with in repost is good old Lou Pride yawn yawn yawn.   

 

Sidney Barnes "Solid ground"? - I have left many a room when a so called DJ has put this on. lazy man's record. DJ Genesis ruined a perfect decent Betty Wright record.

 

Keep saying it, but why not leave these revivalists to get on with it? - going same places dancing to the classic oldies. They ain't never gonna change in a million years, so why do we persist in moaning about 'em?  Like complaining about the weather......

 

PS Happy Birthday Sooty.

[Steve S 60]

PS Happy Birthday Sooty.

 

PPS I agree with Steve G, "Solid Ground" is cack.

[Sooty]

PPS I agree with Steve G, "Solid Ground" is cack.

 

....I put it in the same 'class' as Brianstorms 'Loving is Really My Game'....or 'Have Some Everbody'.....both of which I played ritually towards the end of Tony's 7.45amish.....!!!x They 'rocked'...but were 'customer' demands'!!!x

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Thanx for the birfday wishes folks.....sincerely!x The last time I celebrated it proper was with my Community Service mates 2 or 3 years ago!!x Thank You!x I am off to London to show some friends the sights! It will make my day to be honest and look forward to leaving in 5 minutes or Abs my 6ft Goddess will batter me silly...brifday or not!!!x I am half way through writing the 2nd bit of the last weekend.....but will finish it as a 'chill out' tonight upon my return! I then will be away for several days and look forward to 'sharing' Xmas joys  with you all through here too upon my return....!x Thanx all...and have a happy day!x

 

...ouch....I made a mistake Steve G....it weren't Lou i followed with........it wos this......doh!!!!x I like Lou tho'.....amazed at Pete S saying it's '71...!x Willing to learn....as I always have been...thanx to you trailblazers back home and around the UK!!x

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qrAp44fN08

[Steve S 60]

....I put it in the same 'class' as Brianstorms 'Loving is Really My Game'....or 'Have Some Everbody'.....both of which I played ritually towards the end of Tony's 7.45amish.....!!!x They 'rocked'...but were 'customer' demands'!!!x

 

Flaming Emeralds is a proper Northern stomper, Brainstorm is a catchy disco number that successfully crossed over.  I'd take either of those any day above the Sidney Barnes track, but that's just my opinion.  Enjoy the Smoke, Sooty.

[Steve G]

....I put it in the same 'class' as Brianstorms 'Loving is Really My Game'....or 'Have Some Everbody'.....both of which I played ritually towards the end of Tony's 7.45amish.....!!!x They 'rocked'...but were 'customer' demands'!!!x

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Really, seems like everytime you write something I disagree with it. Brainstorm and Flaming Emeralds were contemporary soul releases made for the US market at the time, Sidney Barnes (much as we love the fella) was made specially for "da scene" here. It's a catchy pop record that probably should have got into the charts.

 

Enjoy London (it's raining here)...

Edited December 16, 2013 by Steve G

[Philt]

To my ears in the main that's a set of classic cracking Northern oldies - but I'll pose a question to those who are in the nostalgia night corner... Or even these on this thread that promote oldies nights: truthfully, how many of these ( Alice Clark and Joey H apart) would get a play at the gigs you go to? One of main bug bearers with nostalgia nights, the ones I've been to anyway is that oldies like these don't get a look in. Might even do a few local nights if the crowd can dig sounds like this.

That's precisely my point Byrney.

Butch, Kitch, AD, Carl F, Ady et al have newies and exclusives that stand up but even then they're in v short supply these days. (If you had access and they were good enough you'd play em without a shadow because thats whats driven it all these years). Conversely though, too many people trying too hard and resorting to second rate tosh or, on the other hand, not trying hard enough and plumping for the easy option with done to death tackle IMHO - still great records but would I travel to hear em over and bloody over again? Nah.

As times gone by i've become ever more convinced we've gotta find the middle ground and most times I go out these days, which is pretty rarely to be honest, that's just confirmed. It ain't rocket science but its a northern scene first and foremost, isn't it? That ain't the same as a funk or nostalgia scene and, personally, I can live without either of those or elements of em til I pop off.

[KevH]

PPS I agree with Steve G, "Solid Ground" is cack.

 

Cack doesn't do it justice.

[jocko]

 

That's precisely my point Byrney.

Butch, Kitch, AD, Carl F, Ady et al have newies and exclusives that stand up but even then they're in v short supply these days. (If you had access and they were good enough you'd play em without a shadow because thats whats driven it all these years). Conversely though, too many people trying too hard and resorting to second rate tosh or, on the other hand, not trying hard enough and plumping for the easy option with done to death tackle IMHO - still great records but would I travel to hear em over and bloody over again? Nah.

As times gone by i've become ever more convinced we've gotta find the middle ground and most times I go out these days, which is pretty rarely to be honest, that's just confirmed. It ain't rocket science but its a northern scene first and foremost, isn't it? That ain't the same as a funk or nostalgia scene and, personally, I can live without either of those or elements of em til I pop off.

Okay Phil, you have gone right up to a 30bob DJ, getting nearer a fiver one, (Butch is a 100 obviously, Kitch Andy etc are tenner just to give you a target to aim for).

I think I now see why Joan etc think so highly of you, just a pity you used to play rounders for a living, always brings you down a bit in a Scots estimaate..............

[Guest db121]

It isn't only in the wardrobe dept . that you are lacking . Obviously. Have you considered Country and Western as a lifestyle choice ?

I danced to Queen Of Fools when I first heard it in 1970 and Mohair Sam,Love is after me before that but generally Country is not one of my favourite genres.

It's just that most of the northern/rare soul scene have been trying to get away from the fancy dress for almost 40 years.

If your quick I think there's one or two of these left

[KevH]

To me I Wanna Know is an oldie along with Parliaments, Hank Hodge, Mello Souls, Dianne Lewis, Walter and the Ads, Mr Lucky, Mighty Lovers C/U etc etc thing is though I don't see oldies promoters beating a path to Butch's door to play these proper Northern records at their nights. ( he'd probably volley them though tbh )

Example - Kitch lives in Nottingham - how many of the nostalgia crew in the East Mids have even heard of him let alone heard one of his sets. Kitch does an amazing oldies set but not the same 100 odd records the nostalgia scene accept.

My point is I don't agree that Nostalgia nights would automatically accept quality - there's hundreds of 60s records played after t'casino and were massive during the period when most decided the scene wasn't for them but wouldn't get a look on as they don't push the nostalgia button. Can never get my swede round that.

 

Spot on Byrney.We had Kitch on at the old Attic a few years ago,not one of the oldies brigade turned up from our area.If my memory serves me well,young Cliff was on with him as well.What more do folks want.? 

[Philt]

Okay Phil, you have gone right up to a 30bob DJ, getting nearer a fiver one, (Butch is a 100 obviously, Kitch Andy etc are tenner just to give you a target to aim for).I think I now see why Joan etc think so highly of you, just a pity you used to play rounders for a living, always brings you down a bit in a Scots estimaate..............

30 bob, I've gone dizzy!

That's another thing, l'm no bloody dj. Just got a few records I really, really love. There are only about ten people who really are in my book which, as we all know I think, is part of 'the problem'

Ps. My rounders n your skirt = win win

[Guest Bearsy]

Cack doesn't do it justice.

Its KAK not cack you lot..... Actually its propa fooking KAK ....

[Steve S 60]

Its KAK not cack you lot..... Actually its propa fooking KAK ....

 

I beg to differ, sir.  This is an English website, not South African.

 

Pronunciation: /kak/

British informal

noun [mass noun]

• excrement; dung: cow cack
• rubbish:they talk such a load of cack

verb [with object]

• defecate in (one’s clothes).

Origin:

Old English (as cac- in cachūs 'privy'); the verb dates from late Middle English and is related to Middle Dutch cacken; based on Latin cacare 'defecate'

[Guest]

Here's one for ya, a handful of things I played

Joey Heatherton - call me baby

Donnie Wells - you've got my love

Alice Clark - you hit me..

Fabulous eclectic mix, Phil...Combinations mmm yes please

So, the three I've selected, they are obviously the cheapie and left-field (in the context of the playlist!) ones, yet still high quality Northern...but I'm curious as to how they sneaked in! I must admit I used to bung in a cheapie (I think every DJ should) often a late choice due to playing one at home earlier, or it had cropped up in an anorak conversation for some reason...and thinking "why not"! So, what's the story?

[Guest john s]

Fabulous eclectic mix, Phil...Combinations mmm yes please

So, the three I've selected, they are obviously the cheapie and left-field (in the context of the playlist!) ones, yet still high quality Northern...but I'm curious as to how they sneaked in! I must admit I used to bung in a cheapie (I think every DJ should) often a late choice due to playing one at home earlier, or it had cropped up in an anorak conversation for some reason...and thinking "why not"! So, what's the story?

 

Sorry, is Alice Clark a cheapie now?

[Guest Byrney]

Is it an unissued Chuck Jackson or a cover up name? Thought Butch told me once it was just a blank label acetate, although must admit it does sound like Chucky boy....

Yeah Steve, it's uncredited; a thread on here a while back kicked up all sorts of potential contenders responsible for it from Chuck through to Ronnie Milsap. Not really my cup of tea but an out and out Northern stomper which you'd think would go down well at oldies nights..., you'd think

[Guest]

Sorry, is Alice Clark a cheapie now?

Yeah, but no, but yeah, right!

Compared to the others Phil played it is a cheapie...suffice to say it is around £150.

Love the instruMENTAL, mind...any crowd should appreciate that!

[Zed1]

Always loved that Joey H track, but as said play this at 'Local Soul' and it would clear the floor to cry's of 'Can't you play something we know?' which is interesting given how big this track was at Wigan...... also interesting the people who would be happy to describe the track as  "Winstanleys White pop crap that killed the scene".....

[Mak]

Spot on Byrney.We had Kitch on at the old Attic a few years ago,not one of the oldies brigade turned up from our area.If my memory serves me well,young Cliff was on with him as well.What more do folks want.? 

Like I said earlier Kev . Clueless.

[Guest Bearsy]

I beg to differ, sir.  This is an English website, not South African.

 

Pronunciation: /kak/

British informal

noun

[mass noun]

• excrement; dung: cow cack

• rubbish:they talk such a load of cack

verb

[with object]

• defecate in (one’s clothes).

Origin:

Old English (as cac- in cachūs 'privy'); the verb dates from late Middle English and is related to Middle Dutch cacken; based on Latin cacare 'defecate'

You can beg to differ as much as you like but then you don't come from The Medway towns do you Steve lol

Kak me ol chav Kak :-)

[Pete S]

Always loved that Joey H track, but as said play this at 'Local Soul' and it would clear the floor to cry's of 'Can't you play something we know?' which is interesting given how big this track was at Wigan...... also interesting the people who would be happy to describe the track as  "Winstanleys White pop crap that killed the scene".....

 

Was a Richard exclusive, covered up for a good 3 months as Cindy Scott

[Philt]

Fabulous eclectic mix, Phil...Combinations mmm yes please

So, the three I've selected, they are obviously the cheapie and left-field (in the context of the playlist!) ones, yet still high quality Northern...but I'm curious as to how they sneaked in! I must admit I used to bung in a cheapie (I think every DJ should) often a late choice due to playing one at home earlier, or it had cropped up in an anorak conversation for some reason...and thinking "why not"! So, what's the story?

Eyup Dave

Its that awesome, raw, rumbling backing which makes Joey H for me and a good record to link other, 'gritty' stuff in too I always think. Alice Clarke simply one of the best northern dancers of all time IMHO. Play it virtually every chance i get; a refreshing triumph of content over style lol. Donnie Wells just sounds 'right' next to LWF to my lugs and warrants a spin in any company so on it went.

Nowt pre planned mate, a few requests in the mix which it's only right to try and slot in so the rest just turned round those in the main and felt right on the night - given what others had played and what got em up. Folk danced anyway so all good.

Have a good Chrimbo!

[Guest Byrney]

cant accept, the statement regarding the more discerning , which implies that the majority of people who are into northern soul are unthinking uneducated and ignorant because of their failure to take on what you think they should ,ask yourself why do the majority of people on our scene like classic oldies , is it because they only follow certain dj,s or attend certain venues , no its because after all these years its still great music and with all this experience they have chosen what they like and what they want to hear and are happy with it , why listen to second best ,and think that's what most new to the scene find ,as for your last statement your obviously not into the scooter scene lol .they make us look like wimps wrt arguments within their scene ,

But do the majority on the nostalgia scene have "all that experience"? In my experience many don't - they tend to have experience of the short number of years they were on the scene and nowadays in the main look back to a limited number of records. Not a dig but an observation.

Or are you saying that blinding Classic Northern like most of Phill T's list (Classic if you carried on after Dec 81) is second best to those few Wigan spins? I'll pose the question again why aren't the classic oldies in the list below played at oldies nights? ( few Wigan spins in that list as well) It's not just rarity as the jocks with these tunes I'm sure would do a spot.

Honeybees - lets get back together

Dennis Edwards - I didn't have to

Charles Burns - I love my baby

Stormy - devastator

Trent Sisters - a letter a day

Joey Heatherton - call me baby

Little Stanley - outta sight lovin

Little Willie Faulk - look into my heart

Donne Wells - you've got my love

West Coast Distributors - girl I love you

Combinations - whatcha gonna do

Del Tours -sweet and lovely

Alice Clark - you hit me

Brand new Faces - brand new faces

Citations - two for the road

Mystiques - put out the fire

Pee Wee Shuck n Huey - beside myself

Edited December 17, 2013 by Byrney

[Labeat]

Who decides the so-called top 500, is there a panel of judges?

[Back Street Blue]

But do the majority on the nostalgia scene have "all that experience"? In my experience many don't - they tend to have experience of the short number of years they were on the scene and nowadays in the main look back to a limited number of records. Not a dig but an observation.

Or are you saying that blinding Classic Northern like most of Phill T's list (Classic if you carried on after Dec 81) is second best to those few Wigan spins? I'll pose the question again why aren't the classic oldies in the list below played at oldies nights? 

 

Think the pigeon holing of the "oldies" and "nostalgia" nights as one and the same is incorrect.

 

There are oldies nights that do champion the lesser played oldies and that don't concentrate on just the well known "staples".

 

They do attract people in the vests and baggies though but similarly not all the vest and baggies men are as ignorant or recently returned as is often assumed.

 

There's some great stuff in your list, some I know and some I don't, (love Trent Sisters/ Joey Heatherton/ Combinations /Del Tours /Brand New Faces.....but don't know Little Stanley or Donne Wells and can't find 'em on YT for a listen).

 

That said there's also a couple in there that, whilst nice sounds and all that, would to me, be hard work on the dance floor and would definitely get my more died in the wool mates whingin' like f*ck.

 

So you're right to assume that some don't want to know.....but don't write all oldies fans off as ignorant......good stuff is good stuff and will grab any true soul by the b*llox.

 

Thanks for the list....really enjoyed playing them. 

Edited December 17, 2013 by back street blue

[Guest Byrney]

Think the pigeon holing of the "oldies" and "nostalgia" nights as one and the same is incorrect.

 

There are oldies nights that do champion the lesser played oldies and that don't concentrate on just the well known "staples".

 

They do attract people in the vests and baggies though but similarly not all the vest and baggies men are as ignorant or recently returned as is often assumed.

 

There's some great stuff in your list, some I know and some I don't, (love Trent Sisters/ Joey Heatherton/ Combinations /Del Tours /Brand New Faces.....but don't know Little Stanley or Donne Wells and can't find 'em on YT for a listen).

 

That said there's also a couple in there that, whilst nice sounds and all that, would to me, be hard work on the dance floor and would definitely get my more died in the wool mates whingin' like f*ck.

 

So you're right to assume that some don't want to know.....but don't write all oldies fans off as ignorant......good stuff is good stuff and will grab any true soul by the b*llox.

 

Thanks for the list....really enjoyed playing them. 

I'd like to take credit for that list but it's Phil Ts cracking playlist.

I often hear about oldies nights being open to underplayed but these always seem to be underplayed Wigan era oldies ( e.g Funky Sisters, Sweet 3 etc) and never seems to focus on the cracking Northern of Stafford, 100 Club, Blackburn, Shotts etc. I don't see them playing very well known post Wigan (or even late Wigan) classics like Topics 'fun', Just Bros Carlena, Donna Coleman, Emanuel Lasky 'running' ETC... Mostly records that those whose been around a bit would consider played out TBH but will be new to this audience.

So If there was a 'good stuff is good stuff' attitude this rich vein of well known oldies would be tapped big time... I don't see any evidence of this. I really do think its because the majority at these nights want the tunes from there youth... Not all mind, but a majority.

[Wiggyflat]

Think the pigeon holing of the "oldies" and "nostalgia" nights as one and the same is incorrect.

 

There are oldies nights that do champion the lesser played oldies and that don't concentrate on just the well known "staples".

 

They do attract people in the vests and baggies though but similarly not all the vest and baggies men are as ignorant or recently returned as is often assumed.

 

There's some great stuff in your list, some I know and some I don't, (love Trent Sisters/ Joey Heatherton/ Combinations /Del Tours /Brand New Faces.....but don't know Little Stanley or Donne Wells and can't find 'em on YT for a listen).

 

That said there's also a couple in there that, whilst nice sounds and all that, would to me, be hard work on the dance floor and would definitely get my more died in the wool mates whingin' like f*ck.

 

So you're right to assume that some don't want to know.....but don't write all oldies fans off as ignorant......good stuff is good stuff and will grab any true soul by the b*llox.

 

Thanks for the list....really enjoyed playing them. 

I don't think he would get away with any of them at an oldies night in the UK apart from Joey Heatherton and Alice Clark.....more familiar ....people wouldn't dance to the Combinations either although it was played at Stoke and had the dancefloor buzzing................Europe a different kettle of fish. 

[Len]

I'd like to take credit for that list but it's Phil Ts cracking playlist.

I often hear about oldies nights being open to underplayed but these always seem to be underplayed Wigan era oldies ( e.g Funky Sisters, Sweet 3 etc) and never seems to focus on the cracking Northern of Stafford, 100 Club, Blackburn, Shotts etc. I don't see them playing very well known post Wigan (or even late Wigan) classics like Topics 'fun', Just Bros Carlena, Donna Coleman, Emanuel Lasky 'running' ETC... Mostly records that those whose been around a bit would consider played out TBH but will be new to this audience.

So If there was a 'good stuff is good stuff' attitude this rich vein of well known oldies would be tapped big time... I don't see any evidence of this. I really do think its because the majority at these nights want the tunes from there youth... Not all mind, but a majority.

 

I was talking to Tony Smith 'tuther evening, and he called himself an oldies D.J - True in the true sense of it.

 

All the best,

 

Len  

[Wiggyflat]

I was talking to Tony Smith 'tuther evening, and he called himself an oldies D.J - True in the true sense of it.

 

All the best,

 

Len  

I wonder if all those Stafford, Shotts etc people are still having babies and bringing up families and in ten years time they will return wearing mullet haircuts and tight denim jeans requesting naughty boy......cue .  why do they have to wear those comedy eighties clothes.?.....why don't they look outside the Stafford Top 50.?

[macca]

The revivalists have been with us for more than 35 years via oldies rooms/niters. There have always been people who are unreceptive to new sounds, you'd find them dancing to The Valentines, The Incredibles, Chubby Checker and Jason Knight in a darkened room at St. Ives while the main hall was rammed to the likes of Billy Arnell, Milton Wright, Chris Cerf, Herbert Hunter etc. They swore too that the old classics were superior to the new stuff and in some cases they were right, in other cases they were manifestly wrong, in my opinion... Amazing how we still bang on about it after all these years though...

[Frankie Crocker]

Here's one for ya, a handful of things I played (no particular order) in an hour at a recent event:

Honeybees - lets get back together

Dennis Edwards - I didn't have to

Charles Burns - I love my baby

Stormy - devastator

Trent Sisters - a letter a day

Joey Heatherton - call me baby

Little Stanley - outta sight lovin

Little Willie Faulk - look into my heart

Donne Wells - you've got my love

West Coast Distributors - girl I love you

Combinations - whatcha gonna do

Del Tours -sweet and lovely

Alice Clark - you hit me

Brand new Faces - brand new faces

Citations - two for the road

Mystiques - put out the fire

Pee Wee Shuck n Huey - beside myself

...

What a storming set - wish I'd been there. With such great sounds, not to mention rarities, how could anyone be less than satisfied?

[Guest Byrney]

I wonder if all those Stafford, Shotts etc people are still having babies and bringing up families and in ten years time they will return wearing mullet haircuts and tight denim jeans requesting naughty boy......cue .  why do they have to wear those comedy eighties clothes.?.....why don't they look outside the Stafford Top 50.?

They always turn up in shorts and grey slip on loafers. Where were they in the 90s etc ;) ;)

[Len]

I wonder if all those Stafford, Shotts etc people are still having babies and bringing up families and in ten years time they will return wearing mullet haircuts and tight denim jeans requesting naughty boy......cue .  why do they have to wear those comedy eighties clothes.?.....why don't they look outside the Stafford Top 50.?

 

Now there's a thought - Bring back the Mullet I say!  

 

Len  

[Back Street Blue]

I don't think he would get away with any of them at an oldies night in the UK apart from Joey Heatherton and Alice Clark.....more familiar ....people wouldn't dance to the Combinations either although it was played at Stoke and had the dancefloor buzzing................Europe a different kettle of fish. 

 

....don't agree, sorry, there are oldies nights where they would be appreciated.

 

 

I was talking to Tony Smith 'tuther evening, and he called himself an oldies D.J - True in the true sense of it.

 

All the best,

 

Len  

 

Smudge did a spot at Inner Soul in Sheffield in the summer which was greatly appreciated.

 

Just saying that its easy to pigeon hole people and write them off as non-receptive but there are oldies fans who are not locked into the usual staples......even if they are in the minority.

[Len]

 

Smudge did a spot at Inner Soul in Sheffield in the summer which was greatly appreciated.

 

Just saying that its easy to pigeon hole people and write them off as non-receptive but there are oldies fans who are not locked into the usual staples......even if they are in the minority.

 

....and that is something I have never done - ref the event I help run, we promote the fact that these people are not idiots, and have proved such because they are enjoying lots of tunes they have only just heard.

 

My point was, that Tony Smith would be looked upon as a newies D.J really, but we forget that 20 years have since passed, hence his comment that he is now an oldies D.J (albeit a different generation oldies D.J to the Wigan era)

 

I thought Smudge was a mainly oldies D.J? (Nowt wrong in that, just saying)

 

All the best,

 

Len  

[Guest willyg]

Ok here we go  imagine this  all the top 500 had not been discovered yet, but sounds such as the mello souls , imperial.c's sandy golden, and all the other excellent 60's 70's sounds of the last 15 -20 years were the sounds of the so called golden era. Now imagine this the likes of moses smith  tomangoes. salvadors  etc were now new spins this year , would the oldies brigade be so reluctant to accept them as new sounds????.  

Just my opinion but if you feel the soul in your heart and your feet start to move the year is irrelivent and has very little to do with soul   

[Guest gordon russell]

What a storming set - wish I'd been there. With such great sounds, not to mention rarities, how could anyone be less than satisfied?

Joey Heatherton????.....sorry phil    

[manus]

I'd like to take credit for that list but it's Phil Ts cracking playlist.

I often hear about oldies nights being open to underplayed but these always seem to be underplayed Wigan era oldies ( e.g Funky Sisters, Sweet 3 etc) and never seems to focus on the cracking Northern of Stafford, 100 Club, Blackburn, Shotts etc. I don't see them playing very well known post Wigan (or even late Wigan) classics like Topics 'fun', Just Bros Carlena, Donna Coleman, Emanuel Lasky 'running' ETC... Mostly records that those whose been around a bit would consider played out TBH but will be new to this audience.

So If there was a 'good stuff is good stuff' attitude this rich vein of well known oldies would be tapped big time... I don't see any evidence of this. I really do think its because the majority at these nights want the tunes from there youth... Not all mind, but a majority.

 

Good post Byrney - but I would have to point out that Donna Coleman ( Your love's too strong) was around in the 70s - I had a copy in 75 and first heard it on a tape a bit earlier - I think it may have been first spun at the Mecca around 73/74.

 

Cheers

Manus

[Guest Byrney]

Good post Byrney - but I would have to point out that Donna Coleman ( Your love's too strong) was around in the 70s - I had a copy in 75 and first heard it on a tape a bit earlier - I think it may have been first spun at the Mecca around 73/74.

 

Cheers

Manus

And at the casino as well mate, revived oldie for colin law I remember. But falls outside the usual top 100 and was big in the 80s, so begs the question why no spins say in the east mids

[Tony Smith]

....and that is something I have never done - ref the event I help run, we promote the fact that these people are not idiots, and have proved such because they are enjoying lots of tunes they have only just heard.

 

My point was, that Tony Smith would be looked upon as a newies D.J really, but we forget that 20 years have since passed, hence his comment that he is now an oldies D.J (albeit a different generation oldies D.J to the Wigan era)

 

I thought Smudge was a mainly oldies D.J? (Nowt wrong in that, just saying)

 

All the best,

 

Len  

Leave me out of it Len! 

[Len]

Leave me out of it Len! 

 

Yes of course mate - Just making a point (meant in the nicest possible way an' all that) but yeh, all done now   

 

Len  

Edited December 18, 2013 by LEN

[Ted Massey]

Hearsay

[Guest manusf3a]

The revivalists have been with us for more than 35 years via oldies rooms/niters. There have always been people who are unreceptive to new sounds, you'd find them dancing to The Valentines, The Incredibles, Chubby Checker and Jason Knight in a darkened room at St. Ives while the main hall was rammed to the likes of Billy Arnell, Milton Wright, Chris Cerf, Herbert Hunter etc. They swore too that the old classics were superior to the new stuff and in some cases they were right, in other cases they were manifestly wrong, in my opinion... Amazing how we still bang on about it after all these years though...

How true that is Macca ,the oldies v newies thing . has never stopped,never will in my opinion

[Quinvy]

How can there be an oldies vs newies debate, when there aren't any newies. The records that are seen as newies these days are actually "Funk" records, and bear no resemblance to "northern"   

[Barry]

How can there be an oldies vs newies debate, when there aren't any newies. The records that are seen as newies these days are actually "Funk" records, and bear no resemblance to "northern"   

 

...but aren't they now by definition 'Northern'?

[Quinvy]

Maybe we should use the terminology that they use on the various car forums that I frequent. They have the same heated debates about "Classics" vs "New Age" versions of the same marque. Both are now old cars, but the arguments still persist.

[Quinvy]

...but aren't they now by definition 'Northern'?

The first ones that were played definitely had that "northern" quality Barry. But most of the stuff that I have heard lately, have been dreadful. I would be insulted to be played them at a northern do. Not even danceable. 

[Labeat]

Hearsay

 

Hi Ted, Hearsay were a 4 piece pop band from the early 2000's (you know, Mylene Klass etc)

lol

Neil

[Modernsoulsucks]

The first ones that were played definitely had that "northern" quality Barry. But most of the stuff that I have heard lately, have been dreadful. I would be insulted to be played them at a northern do. Not even danceable. 

Unfortunately the term "Northern" seems to be associated with a retro scene hence now it's "Rare Soul" for some.

Then stuff which is not Northern IMO gets into the playlists and I feel little affinity for it.

Realise it is hard to continue with a traditional Northern sound as far as newies are concerned as for the most part they are few and far between.

I do think though that those of us who like that particular sound should push that angle rather than allow it to become just one strand amongst many.

Time for a new 60's Mafia ?

ROD