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My mind is open to any decent music and I search it out unlike some sheep wanting to hear anything that's popular.

The public want what the public get.

 

You got it in one!!!!

 

And Tribute does get a play AFTER the official finish time of 1am. A little bit of dance and fun for those attendees who want it at the end of the evening.

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i like your love is fading.....never understood the appeal of i`m cummin home a 100 mph racket to my ears

 

i like your love is fading.........Another shopping mall track.  Comin' home any day, true Northern Soul  :thumbsup: ,

 

I think the divisions are beginning to become apparent  :D

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hard question..........l think a lot of folk like records because of who plays em...they're almost told what to like and duly oblige for fear of not feeling/knowing anything.Have said this before ,but here goes again....when joe jama and joey delorenzo were both played the oldies crowd loved em from day one even though they were new discoveries (albeit they are and were pop shite)....so l think that records like the salvadors,tomangos ect....would be disregarded as maybe r&b sh*te if they were played for the first time...say.tonight............it,s a certain sound they like and today i,m not sure these records fit the bill.

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THE GOOD RECORDS ARE JUST AS GOOD THE BAD JUST AS BAD

 

 

Spot on mate, good records are good records regardless of era.

 

Personally I don't think the quality of records is the point. I think the oldies crowd ignore newer discoveries not because they think they are bad, but because the oldies scene is about nostalgia and they want to hear what they listened to when they were teenagers and pretty much nothing else.

 

All the records mentioned are great but not all of them will remind a 50+ year old man of when he was 16.

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Had this conversation a few times ,usually at all nighters.Take Lou Pride for instance."Im coming home etc"..a Northern Soul classic.

But if newly discovered now ,would it be relegated to the "new funky shite" category ? Or be as readily accepted as it was back then.?

 

It's not funky though, it's out and out Northern, I couldn't believe it when I found out it wasn't a 60's recording but 1971

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It's not funky though, it's out and out Northern, I couldn't believe it when I found out it wasn't a 60's recording but 1971

That's really odd - to my ears it's as funky as, say, Earl English.

 

Love the Lou Pride, never had a copy (apart from the boot from 30 years ago), should look out for a real one I suppose!

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Had this conversation a few times ,usually at all nighters.Take Lou Pride for instance."Im coming home etc"..a Northern Soul classic.

But if newly discovered now ,would it be relegated to the "new funky shite" category ? Or be as readily accepted as it was back then.?

Emptied the floor more than once when first getting spins at the Casino by all accounts. :ohmy:  

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Spot on mate, good records are good records regardless of era.

 

Personally I don't think the quality of records is the point. I think the oldies crowd ignore newer discoveries not because they think they are bad, but because the oldies scene is about nostalgia and they want to hear what they listened to when they were teenagers and pretty much nothing else.

 

All the records mentioned are great but not all of them will remind a 50+ year old man of when he was 16.

v good point.   It comes down to the fact that we genrally take less risks as we get older, hence many stick with what they know.

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Ok here we go imagine this all the top 500 had not been discovered yet, but sounds such as the mello souls , imperial.c's sandy golden, and all the other excellent 60's 70's sounds of the last 15 -20 years were the sounds of the so called golden era. Now imagine this the likes of moses smith tomangoes. salvadors etc were now new spins this year , would the oldies brigade be so reluctant to accept them as new sounds????. :thumbup::thumbup:

I'd say they wouldn't accept them because they wouldn't know them and therefore fail to push the nostalgia buttons as do the 100 or so records they accept. There are a few exceptions e.g. Just loving you but in the main they want the tracks for the 3 or so years they were on the scene.

Another slant is today would they accept stormin current-ish Northern records like Kitch's Alice Clark thing, Les Chasonettes C/U, Butch's Mighty Lovers C/U, Jean Carter I wanna know, that unissued Chuck Jackson (?) that Kitch played before Butch etc. I'd guess in the main that would be a no :)

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v good point.   It comes down to the fact that we genrally take less risks as we get older, hence many stick with what they know.

Or it could be some tend to look backwards rather than forward when they get older. When I get to that point sign me up to Russian Roulette '6 bullets in my gun'.

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Spot on mate, good records are good records regardless of era.

 

Personally I don't think the quality of records is the point. I think the oldies crowd ignore newer discoveries not because they think they are bad, but because the oldies scene is about nostalgia and they want to hear what they listened to when they were teenagers and pretty much nothing else.

 

All the records mentioned are great but not all of them will remind a 50+ year old man of when he was 16.

 agreed,but new people on the scene have gone straight to the oldies scene....attracted there like a moth to a light then immediately disregarded anything else....all done without any baggage as well
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Butchs " I Wanna Know" ...I was dancing to that in 2000 or thereabouts.Butch must have his own oldies.Re the oldies venues and the top 500.Imho that book contains some of the best northern soul records ever....but you cannot listen to them over and over and over again.If the rare scene were pulling out records of that calibre I think a lot of the oldies people would be flocking there.I considered going up to Lifeline but listened to all the podcasts and just didn't like the.music. The fact is that the rare scene ,European scene and the northern scene are seperate entities and I'm still waiting for the northern scene to start digging up those underplayed sixties tracks and drop the Tribute shite.There's a lot of people talking KTF then posting Lou Pride....hang on if you KTF then surely you must be bored if it.

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 agreed,but new people on the scene have gone straight to the oldies scene....attracted there like a moth to a light then immediately disregarded anything else....all done without any baggage as well

good point Gordon

and from what I have seen a lot of the young people are into the mainstream oldies genre and on the odd occasion I have been in the side rooms , modern /rare etc have not seen many young faces .

kinda tell you something doesn't it , :yes:

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Butchs " I Wanna Know" ...I was dancing to that in 2000 or thereabouts.Butch must have his own oldies.Re the oldies venues and the top 500.Imho that book contains some of the best northern soul records ever....but you cannot listen to them over and over and over again.If the rare scene were pulling out records of that calibre I think a lot of the oldies people would be flocking there.I considered going up to Lifeline but listened to all the podcasts and just didn't like the.music. The fact is that the rare scene ,European scene and the northern scene are seperate entities and I'm still waiting for the northern scene to start digging up those underplayed sixties tracks and drop the Tribute shite.There's a lot of people talking KTF then posting Lou Pride....hang on if you KTF then surely you must be bored if it.

well I for one will never get bored with it , its the soundtrack of my life , let those who want to move on do so, but please don't beat me because I like the music I grew up with and love , :hatsoff2:

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 agreed,but new people on the scene have gone straight to the oldies scene....attracted there like a moth to a light then immediately disregarded anything else....all done without any baggage as well

If new comers to the scene go straight to the oldies and stay there fair enough, but i'd like to think the more discerning will start to dig a little deeper.

At the end of the day people like what they like, if we were all the same it would be a sad old world.

Surely one of the beauty's of the scene is one mans newie is another mans oldy!

 

Ps Is there any other scene were people are looked down upon and sneered at for what they like more than this one? :lol:

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Barney I love it...but if it was played every time I went out id be sick of it.It's like listening to an oldies radio station and them playing Abba all the time...and then a dj comes on and plays Sky High by Jigsaw or Bilbo Baggins Saturday night.

I gotta agree with ya ,

have been to 2 soul nights this w/end on opposite sides of the pennines , both playing an eclectic mix of music both reasonably well attended and it was the classic oldies that got them on the floor and the rare /modern / disco that cleared it .

the attendees were in the main over 50,s and were starting to leave after 11.30 , methinks we are into the swansong of the oldies brigade and unless we start accepting newcomers at all levels then as has been quoted we are all doomed .

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Here's one for ya, a handful of things I played (no particular order) in an hour at a recent event:

Honeybees - lets get back together

Dennis Edwards - I didn't have to

Charles Burns - I love my baby

Stormy - devastator

Trent Sisters - a letter a day

Joey Heatherton - call me baby

Little Stanley - outta sight lovin

Little Willie Faulk - look into my heart

Donne Wells - you've got my love

West Coast Distributors - girl I love you

Combinations - whatcha gonna do

Del Tours -sweet and lovely

Alice Clark - you hit me

Brand new Faces - brand new faces

Citations - two for the road

Mystiques - put out the fire

Pee Wee Shuck n Huey - beside myself

Can't remember what else ...

One comment was, apparently, "too much northern and oldies" (Someone asked for the Triumphs actually but indidn't have it with me). Individual taste n merits aside again, i can't see that as a load of done to death oldies on the whole but maybe i just dont get it anymore???

Obviously, everyone has a view and more power to em. The point is though that it's a northern soul scene isn't it! Bumping weight idiots abound and not just amongst the 'oldies brigade' by any stretch, plenty masquerading as 'connoisseurs' too and they're on the wrong feckin scene some of em (or I am lol)

Conclusion: Like what you like and dont listen to clueless clowns with their daft pigeon holes and preconceived nonsense who think they know best.

Ps. Someone (p*ssed) also told me to stop talking between records and just put em on. Naturally, I did as I was told ... erm ...

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Here's one for ya, a handful of things I played (no particular order) in an hour at a recent event:

Honeybees - lets get back together

Dennis Edwards - I didn't have to

Charles Burns - I love my baby

Stormy - devastator

Trent Sisters - a letter a day

Joey Heatherton - call me baby

Little Stanley - outta sight lovin

Little Willie Faulk - look into my heart

Donne Wells - you've got my love

West Coast Distributors - girl I love you

Combinations - whatcha gonna do

Del Tours -sweet and lovely

Alice Clark - you hit me

Brand new Faces - brand new faces

Citations - two for the road

Mystiques - put out the fire

Pee Wee Shuck n Huey - beside myself

Can't remember what else ...

One comment was, apparently, "too much northern and oldies" (Someone asked for the Triumphs actually but indidn't have it with me). Individual taste n merits aside again, i can't see that as a load of done to death oldies on the whole but maybe i just dont get it anymore???

Obviously, everyone has a view and more power to em. The point is though that it's a northern soul scene isn't it! Bumping weight idiots abound and not just amongst the 'oldies brigade' by any stretch, plenty masquerading as 'connoisseurs' too and they're on the wrong feckin scene some of em (or I am lol)

Conclusion: Like what you like and dont listen to clueless clowns with their daft pigeon holes and preconceived nonsense who think they know best.

Ps. Someone (p*ssed) also told me to stop talking between records and just put em on. Naturally, I did as I was told ... erm ...

Sadly Phil,the disease is spreading and as yet, there's no cure :(

TIP

Get yourself some Manchester sounds, apparently they are the best ones to dance to!

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Here's one for ya, a handful of things I played (no particular order) in an hour at a recent event:

Honeybees - lets get back together

Dennis Edwards - I didn't have to

Charles Burns - I love my baby

Stormy - devastator

Trent Sisters - a letter a day

Joey Heatherton - call me baby

Little Stanley - outta sight lovin

Little Willie Faulk - look into my heart

Donne Wells - you've got my love

West Coast Distributors - girl I love you

Combinations - whatcha gonna do

Del Tours -sweet and lovely

Alice Clark - you hit me

Brand new Faces - brand new faces

Citations - two for the road

Mystiques - put out the fire

Pee Wee Shuck n Huey - beside myself

Can't remember what else ...

One comment was, apparently, "too much northern and oldies" (Someone asked for the Triumphs actually but indidn't have it with me). Individual taste n merits aside again, i can't see that as a load of done to death oldies on the whole but maybe i just dont get it anymore???

Obviously, everyone has a view and more power to em. The point is though that it's a northern soul scene isn't it! Bumping weight idiots abound and not just amongst the 'oldies brigade' by any stretch, plenty masquerading as 'connoisseurs' too and they're on the wrong feckin scene some of em (or I am lol)

Conclusion: Like what you like and dont listen to clueless clowns with their daft pigeon holes and preconceived nonsense who think they know best.

Ps. Someone (p*ssed) also told me to stop talking between records and just put em on. Naturally, I did as I was told ... erm ...

 

That, Phil, is as perfect a mix of tunes as one could wish to hear and thats the sort of set that would actually get me going out again.

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Here's one for ya, a handful of things I played (no particular order) in an hour at a recent event:

Honeybees - lets get back together

Dennis Edwards - I didn't have to

Charles Burns - I love my baby

Stormy - devastator

Trent Sisters - a letter a day

Joey Heatherton - call me baby

Little Stanley - outta sight lovin

Little Willie Faulk - look into my heart

Donne Wells - you've got my love

West Coast Distributors - girl I love you

Combinations - whatcha gonna do

Del Tours -sweet and lovely

Alice Clark - you hit me

Brand new Faces - brand new faces

Citations - two for the road

Mystiques - put out the fire

Pee Wee Shuck n Huey - beside myself

Can't remember what else ...

One comment was, apparently, "too much northern and oldies" (Someone asked for the Triumphs actually but indidn't have it with me). Individual taste n merits aside again, i can't see that as a load of done to death oldies on the whole but maybe i just dont get it anymore???

Obviously, everyone has a view and more power to em. The point is though that it's a northern soul scene isn't it! Bumping weight idiots abound and not just amongst the 'oldies brigade' by any stretch, plenty masquerading as 'connoisseurs' too and they're on the wrong feckin scene some of em (or I am lol)

Conclusion: Like what you like and dont listen to clueless clowns with their daft pigeon holes and preconceived nonsense who think they know best.

Ps. Someone (p*ssed) also told me to stop talking between records and just put em on. Naturally, I did as I was told ... erm ...

 

Great set Phil.(Donnie Wells nicely slipped in.) I'm with you,i don't get "It" anymore.

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Ok here we go  imagine this  all the top 500 had not been discovered yet, but sounds such as the mello souls , imperial.c's sandy golden, and all the other excellent 60's 70's sounds of the last 15 -20 years were the sounds of the so called golden era. Now imagine this the likes of moses smith  tomangoes. salvadors  etc were now new spins this year , would the oldies brigade be so reluctant to accept them as new sounds????. :thumbup:  :thumbup:

No one would be reluctant to accept quality Steve, no one's reluctant now to accept quality either, but if the scenario you're describing were real, then an influx of the likes of Bob Relf, Epitome of Sound, Tomangoes et al, would move the scene into a completely new direction. What would be interesting would be if the likes of Lorraine Silver, Muriel Day, Gary Lewis, Paul Humphrey etc would be equally accepted. I very much doubt the latter :)

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If new comers to the scene go straight to the oldies and stay there fair enough, but i'd like to think the more discerning will start to dig a little deeper.

At the end of the day people like what they like, if we were all the same it would be a sad old world.

Surely one of the beauty's of the scene is one mans newie is another mans oldy!

 

Ps Is there any other scene were people are looked down upon and sneered at for what they like more than this one? :lol:

cant accept, the statement regarding the more discerning , which implies that the majority of people who are into northern soul are unthinking uneducated and ignorant because of their failure to take on what you think they should ,

ask yourself why do the majority of people on our scene like classic oldies , is it because they only follow certain dj,s or attend certain venues , no its because after all these years its still great music and with all this experience they have chosen what they like and what they want to hear and are happy with it , why listen to second best ,and think that's what most new to the scene find ,

as for your last statement your obviously not into the scooter scene lol .they make us look like wimps wrt arguments within their scene ,

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good point Gordon

and from what I have seen a lot of the young people are into the mainstream oldies genre and on the odd occasion I have been in the side rooms , modern /rare etc have not seen many young faces .

kinda tell you something doesn't it , :yes:

 

Yyyyepp , clueless.

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I gave it the cover up name, "I'm Coming Home" - James Lewis mainly because the original title was too much of a mouthful.......

 

Ian D  :D

well i never..yep i can see why ..and i suppose of its jazzy similarity (in parts) to manifesto..i have a wigan tape where JV plays it..prob late '74

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cant accept, the statement regarding the more discerning , which implies that the majority of people who are into northern soul are unthinking uneducated and ignorant because of their failure to take on what you think they should ,

ask yourself why do the majority of people on our scene like classic oldies , is it because they only follow certain dj,s or attend certain venues , no its because after all these years its still great music and with all this experience they have chosen what they like and what they want to hear and are happy with it , why listen to second best ,and think that's what most new to the scene find ,

as for your last statement your obviously not into the scooter scene lol .they make us look like wimps wrt arguments within their scene ,

EH? I never said or implied that "the majority of people who are into northern soul are unthinking uneducated and ignorant because of their failure to take on what you think they should" 

 

I was replying to the post that said :, "agreed,but new people on the scene have gone straight to the oldies scene....attracted there like a moth to a light then immediately disregarded anything else....all done without any baggage as well"

 

Sorry you managed to get the wrong end of the stick! :lol:

 

As for the scooter scene you may be right, I haven't cocked my leg over one since 1980. :yes:

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Nah, Sounds like the music you hear playing in the background when your walking around B&Q buying your wallpaper, no substance to it. Why would anyone choose to play that when you can stick on a perfectly good, banging 60's stormer. But 70's & modern has never really done it for me anyway. Each & to their own.

John,how can you not like this,take the blinkers off,and listen again  :excl:  :)

 

Bazza   :hatsoff2:

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EH? I never said or implied that "the majority of people who are into northern soul are unthinking uneducated and ignorant because of their failure to take on what you think they should" 

 

I was replying to the post that said :, "agreed,but new people on the scene have gone straight to the oldies scene....attracted there like a moth to a light then immediately disregarded anything else....all done without any baggage as well"

 

Sorry you managed to get the wrong end of the stick! :lol:

 

As for the scooter scene you may be right, I haven't cocked my leg over one since 1980. :yes:

 

will quote what you said

 

but i'd like to think the more discerning will start to dig a little deeper.

 

dig a little deeper for what ,

sorry to be pedantic  but to me there is nothing wrong with the mainstream majority northern scene   its doing very well at the moment and there are some excellent venues playing a range of music across the broad spectrum of northern soul but mainly classic oldies but if I am honest its not the music its us , yes us that are doing very little to encourage new faces into the scene and no wonder when or if they read some posts on here .

 

 

 

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Sorry but my reply  of, "but i'd like to think the more discerning will start to dig a little deeper". was aimed at the post;

 

"new people on the scene have gone straight to the oldies scene....attracted there like a moth to a light then immediately disregarded anything else."

 

 

I never said or implied  "there is" anything "wrong with the mainstream majority northern scene"? :)

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John,how can you not like this,take the blinkers off,and listen again  :excl:  :)

 

Bazza   :hatsoff2:

 

Not saying it's a bad tune, it's just not the kind of tune i would travel, & pay money on the door to hear.  It's most likely played at the end of the night to clear the venue , so the bar staff can get the glasses collected. with respect.

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My mind is open to any decent music and I search it out unlike some sheep wanting to hear anything that's popular.

The public want what the public get.

I've just looked on events and I haven't got the wardrobe for it anyway.

It isn't only in the wardrobe dept . that you are lacking . Obviously. Have you considered Country and Western as a lifestyle choice ?

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Here's one for ya, a handful of things I played (no particular order) in an hour at a recent event:

Honeybees - lets get back together

Dennis Edwards - I didn't have to

Charles Burns - I love my baby

Stormy - devastator

Trent Sisters - a letter a day

Joey Heatherton - call me baby

Little Stanley - outta sight lovin

Little Willie Faulk - look into my heart

Donne Wells - you've got my love

West Coast Distributors - girl I love you

Combinations - whatcha gonna do

Del Tours -sweet and lovely

Alice Clark - you hit me

Brand new Faces - brand new faces

Citations - two for the road

Mystiques - put out the fire

Pee Wee Shuck n Huey - beside myself

Can't remember what else ...

One comment was, apparently, "too much northern and oldies" (Someone asked for the Triumphs actually but indidn't have it with me). Individual taste n merits aside again, i can't see that as a load of done to death oldies on the whole but maybe i just dont get it anymore???

Obviously, everyone has a view and more power to em. The point is though that it's a northern soul scene isn't it! Bumping weight idiots abound and not just amongst the 'oldies brigade' by any stretch, plenty masquerading as 'connoisseurs' too and they're on the wrong feckin scene some of em (or I am lol)

Conclusion: Like what you like and dont listen to clueless clowns with their daft pigeon holes and preconceived nonsense who think they know best.

Ps. Someone (p*ssed) also told me to stop talking between records and just put em on. Naturally, I did as I was told ... erm ...

To my ears in the main that's a set of classic cracking Northern oldies - but I'll pose a question to those who are in the nostalgia night corner... Or even these on this thread that promote oldies nights: truthfully, how many of these ( Alice Clark and Joey H apart) would get a play at the gigs you go to? One of main bug bearers with nostalgia nights, the ones I've been to anyway is that oldies like these don't get a look in. Might even do a few local nights if the crowd can dig sounds like this.

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Butchs " I Wanna Know" ...I was dancing to that in 2000 or thereabouts.Butch must have his own oldies.Re the oldies venues and the top 500.Imho that book contains some of the best northern soul records ever....but you cannot listen to them over and over and over again.If the rare scene were pulling out records of that calibre I think a lot of the oldies people would be flocking there.I considered going up to Lifeline but listened to all the podcasts and just didn't like the.music. The fact is that the rare scene ,European scene and the northern scene are seperate entities and I'm still waiting for the northern scene to start digging up those underplayed sixties tracks and drop the Tribute shite.There's a lot of people talking KTF then posting Lou Pride....hang on if you KTF then surely you must be bored if it.

To me I Wanna Know is an oldie along with Parliaments, Hank Hodge, Mello Souls, Dianne Lewis, Walter and the Ads, Mr Lucky, Mighty Lovers C/U etc etc thing is though I don't see oldies promoters beating a path to Butch's door to play these proper Northern records at their nights. ( he'd probably volley them though tbh :) )

Example - Kitch lives in Nottingham - how many of the nostalgia crew in the East Mids have even heard of him let alone heard one of his sets. Kitch does an amazing oldies set but not the same 100 odd records the nostalgia scene accept.

My point is I don't agree that Nostalgia nights would automatically accept quality - there's hundreds of 60s records played after t'casino and were massive during the period when most decided the scene wasn't for them but wouldn't get a look on as they don't push the nostalgia button. Can never get my swede round that.

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A Question For The Oldies Brigade ?

 

...erm...at me last gig...I was approached in an affectionate manner by a fellow DJ who prides himself on his 'modern' approach....with things like 'Tribute'...and told 'we' are of similar ilk....'modern' DJ's...! I had never considered myself one......ever.....'Northern DJ first and foremost! But 'I'm So Happy...and Love is A Serious Business....and...Love Factory.....all represented a 'modern' approach....apparently!!x I did smile.....! I do remember having to listen to I'm So Happy a few times before I felt confident with it....in 1994! It eventually became a kind of signature tune wherever I D'd! However....it was never part of me original 100 taped Northern Tunes....and perhaps....wouldnever had made them either....if i;d have been choosing them....back in '74/5!!!x To me.....I'm So Happy...Heaven in The Afternoon and the like.....are 'disco' genre.......in me head! I have never danced to them really....or they don;t 'grab' me to dance.....but.....I play them....cos the people...in the 90's...and today....want to hear and dance to them......being a DJ....I do!!x

 

I heard and saw the reaction to the 'modern' Sidney Barnes tune too...3 months ago! Never heard it....understand it to be an Ian Levine recentish production...then heard it at 2 venues over the week-end....folk danced....and why not...as did I....the 3rd time of hearing it.....and I was given a copy by a fellow DJ...and yup....i;ll play it!!x So...what i;m saying is....'Northern'...is Northern....from wherever...whatever....despite my personal 60's butt kicking perversions!!x

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qYiIsWZQAY

 

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...and if I remember......after Love Factory that night....I said....'let's get back to some puuuuuuuure Norvern.....stomp time.....!!!"....and spun Lou Pride....i;m Coming 'Ome....which rocked and packed further.......!!! Wot do I know???!!!hehe!!x

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 that unissued Chuck Jackson (?) that Kitch played before Butch etc. I'd guess in the main that would be a no :)

 

Is it an unissued Chuck Jackson or a cover up name? Thought Butch told me once it was just a blank label acetate, although must admit it does sound like Chucky boy....

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