Future Of Northern Soul

[Tezza]

It's unusual that a thread on SS has moved slightly away from the original question and focused on an individual statement.  I think we uderstand everyones feelings etc and should move on for the sake of our own sanity.

So what about Spurs and Fulham tonight ??

[Bazza]

It's unusual that a thread on SS has moved slightly away from the original question and focused on an individual statement.  I think we uderstand everyones feelings etc and should move on for the sake of our own sanity.

So what about Spurs and Fulham tonight ??

No idea ,I don't follow  tennis 

 

Bazza  

[Maark]

It's unusual that a thread on SS has moved slightly away from the original question and focused on an individual statement.  I think we uderstand everyones feelings etc and should move on for the sake of our own sanity.

So what about Spurs and Fulham tonight ??

I prefer the underplayed cheapies that are masquerading as Northampton Town FC. 

[Tezza]

I prefer the underplayed cheapies that are masquerading as Northampton Town FC. 

Masqueraders - Now there is a band.

[Winnie :-)]

It's unusual that a thread on SS has moved slightly away from the original question and focused on an individual statement.  I think we uderstand everyones feelings etc and should move on for the sake of our own sanity.

So what about Spurs and Fulham tonight ??

Q.) What is the future of Northern Soul.

 

A.) Plenty of in house arguing     

[Tezza]

Q.) What is the future of Northern Soul.

 

A.) Plenty of in house arguing     

Ha ha ! :thumbup:

[Bazza]

This place reminds me of Pythons Argument Clinic at times      

 

Bazza  

[Tezza]

This place reminds me of Pythons Argument Clinic at times      

 

Bazza  

No it doesn't !!

 

Soz Bazz, but you knew that didn't you ?

[Len]

he doesnt come across as one who would be influenced by others to me...maybe not worded too well,could it be that he meant he just prefers rnb and funky edged 60s soul to the more traditional 'northern' sound of a lot of oldies??

 

dean

 

You're probably right there - But he needs to stop listening to that awful R 'n' B stuff - ARE YOU TAKING THIS IN LINCSYOUNGSOUL?!!!!    

 

Confused? You will be mate   

 

Len  

Edited December 4, 2013 by LEN

[Len]

No idea ,I don't follow  tennis 

 

Bazza  

 

I thought he meant two soul nights in the week clashing  

 

Len  

Edited December 4, 2013 by LEN

[Bazza]

You're probably right there - But he needs to stop listening to that awful R 'n' B stuff - ARE YOU TAKING THIS IN LINCSYOUNGSOUL?!!!!    

 

Confused? You will be mate   

 

Len  

I'm not giving the lad enough credit, ignore these fuddie duddies ,If you're into R&B ,then you're ok in my book Aaron   

 

Bazza  

[Len]

I'm not giving the lad enough credit, ignore these fuddie duddies ,If you're into R&B ,then you're ok in my book Aaron   

 

Bazza  

 

 

 

....F*ckin' clueless..........

 

 

 

Len  

[Guest Mr Faye]

he doesnt come across as one who would be influenced by others to me...maybe not worded too well,could it be that he meant he just prefers rnb and funky edged 60s soul to the more traditional 'northern' sound of a lot of oldies??

 

dean

That was the point i was trying to get across Dean...going to oldies nights are just not for me, yeah sure, i'm young and people think i havent got a clue. And when people look at me they will probably think that i only like the top 50 or something...but that's not the case. Because i was influenced by NO ONE, literally no  one. I was finding out everything by myself. And the sounds that took to me were different to the usual you would hear at a nighter. A few examples of records i have collected so you get an idea of what i'm talking about:

 

 

 

 

 

They are just a few but you might get the idea...and the reason why i don't like the 'oldies' (don't get me wrong, there are some which i love) but it's the ones which are overplayed i can't stand. I can't see there's anything wrong with me not liking the classics, Sure i can appreciate them. But you've got to remember, that's what got YOU guys into the music, they were the big tunes back then. It doesn't mean that I have to get into the music from that approach aswell.

 

Aaron

Edited December 4, 2013 by Mr Faye

[Scal]

Sorry, I just do not get what you are after! If you want a pat on the back for travelling up and down the country you ain't gonna get one....thousands have done it, and probably younger than you..If you want recognition coz you are a champion of a certain type of music......you ain't gonna get it....why?

Because you have done nothing that is different to anyone else. And if you think those 3 records you have just posted are anything other than crap....then you just don't get it at all!

[Bazza]

Aaron can't fault any of them tunes ,just my cuppa tea ,opening a can of worms you are lol 

 

Bazza  

 

But many folk just don't get R&B ,just think stuff em then     

Edited December 4, 2013 by Bazza

[Guest Mr Faye]

Sorry, I just do not get what you are after! If you want a pat on the back for travelling up and down the country you ain't gonna get one....thousands have done it, and probably younger than you..If you want recognition coz you are a champion of a certain type of music......you ain't gonna get it....why?

Because you have done nothing that is different to anyone else. And if you think those 3 records you have just posted are anything other than crap....then you just don't get it at all!

you're obviously not going to have the same opinion as me, you're the same age as my granddad... different generation, different taste. What's wrong with that? Also, i'm not trying to be a champion here, i'm not trying to get a pat on the back. I do what i do, and i f**king love it. I'll be dammed if anyone shall stop me...not my fault people comment about what i have wrote her, i was simply saying it how it was... Edited December 4, 2013 by Mr Faye
Swearing

[Scal]

It isn't Northern Soul!

Just off to the Post Office to draw my pension and buy enough records with my £110:00 to become the "hip dj that everybody knows."

[Guest Mr Faye]

It isn't Northern Soul!

Just off to the Post Office to draw my pension and buy enough records with my £110:00 to become the "hip dj that everybody knows."

 

Doesn't have to be Northern Soul...still music with a 'soul' element, and fits very well in the scene today.

[Scal]

Well, that's me told then!!!

[TOAD]

Who needs youngsters eh allways thinking they know best! Good night from oap toad

[Guest Mr Faye]

Who needs youngsters eh allways thinking they know best! Good night from oap toad

 

never said that, just saying it how it is

[Bazza]

I've been dancing my socks of to soul  years before  Dave Godin uttered that stupid phrase " Northern soul " ,It all went down hill after that ,ok got my tin hat and flac jacket on ,fire away 

 

Bazza  

[Len]

Aaron can't fault any of them tunes ,just my cuppa tea ,opening a can of worms you are lol 

 

Bazza  

 

But many folk just don't get R&B ,just think stuff em then     

 

......Still f*ckin' clueless    

 

Len  

[Len]

Doesn't have to be Northern Soul...still music with a 'soul' element, and fits very well in the scene today.

 

They haven't, and don't mate - But at least you 'like what you like'...god bless ya  

 

.....Try listening to some Soul music  

 

Len  

Edited December 4, 2013 by LEN

[Bazza]

......Still f*ckin' clueless    

 

Len  

Thanks Len 

 

Bazza  

[Wiggyflat]

That was the point i was trying to get across Dean...going to oldies nights are just not for me, yeah sure, i'm young and people think i havent got a clue. And when people look at me they will probably think that i only like the top 50 or something...but that's not the case. Because i was influenced by NO ONE, literally no  one. I was finding out everything by myself. And the sounds that took to me were different to the usual you would hear at a nighter. A few examples of records i have collected so you get an idea of what i'm talking about:

 

 

 

 

 

They are just a few but you might get the idea...and the reason why i don't like the 'oldies' (don't get me wrong, there are some which i love) but it's the ones which are overplayed i can't stand. I can't see there's anything wrong with me not liking the classics, Sure i can appreciate them. But you've got to remember, that's what got YOU guys into the music, they were the big tunes back then. It doesn't mean that I have to get into the music from that approach aswell.

 

Aaron

You need to be on the Rockin scene or the mod rnb scene if your into this stuff...........I like this music and collect it myself but id be pissed off if i went to a rare or northern soul night and this stuff was played. Nothing to do with you not liking oldies.Your'e into a whole different genre of music!!

Edited December 4, 2013 by wiggyflat

[Bazza]

You need to be on the Rockin scene or the mod rnb scene if your into this stuff...........I like this music and collect it myself but id be pissed off if i went to a rare or northern soul night and this stuff was played. Nothing to do with you not liking oldies.Your'e into a whole different genre of music!!

I agree with that apart from the bit in red ,N/Soul is not a genre ,it is at best an opinion a feeling and nothing more 

 

Bazza  

[Sooty]

That was the point i was trying to get across Dean...going to oldies nights are just not for me, yeah sure, i'm young and people think i havent got a clue. And when people look at me they will probably think that i only like the top 50 or something...but that's not the case. Because i was influenced by NO ONE, literally no  one. I was finding out everything by myself. And the sounds that took to me were different to the usual you would hear at a nighter. A few examples of records i have collected so you get an idea of what i'm talking about:

 

 

 

 

 

They are just a few but you might get the idea...and the reason why i don't like the 'oldies' (don't get me wrong, there are some which i love) but it's the ones which are overplayed i can't stand. I can't see there's anything wrong with me not liking the classics, Sure i can appreciate them. But you've got to remember, that's what got YOU guys into the music, they were the big tunes back then. It doesn't mean that I have to get into the music from that approach aswell.

 

Aaron

 

Thanx for posting them Aaron....never heard any of them....and yup...I like them in the main and all would make my 'general' obscure collection....but only the 'My Love would make me playbox....for the right venue....where i;d get away with it! They remind me of tunes that are similar...but with 'BO**OX'...!x To me...that extra B is the Northern bit...!!!!!x Your learning yourself and coming across stuff as you do...and we all are only as good as the input we've had......what do you think of this....?x

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7i-Njxg7YQ

 

Great speaking with you today and look forward to seeing you at Kings Hall and further chats Sunday!!x I have an OAPs bus pass to Knottingley....but u'll have to pay......hehe!!!x

@@

~

LUV

SOOTY

X

[Northernjordan]

As a younger member of the scene I am pretty confident the scene will continue, theres a fair few youngsters who love soul on the northern, mod, and scooter scenes. However, will it be as big as the 70s again? I dont think so. My vision it will be a small scene, some what more like the European scene, young vibrant yet small and consolidated.There will always be an attraction and interest in soul music, it's got a magic, a sweetness and obviously soulful feel you cant get from any other genre.

Personally, it was the oldies and classics that first sparked the interest. And in particular the Snake was the first track that did it for me. I know it's not cool to say that, but at the time for all knew it could have been the most respected/rarest/expensive track known to man. However, as you dig deeper you realise that there are is so much more than the classics. Thats what keeps me interested, as you can keep listening and listening and still find amazing tracks. The done to death oldies have become very stale to my ears, but to dismiss them as crap is a bit nonsicle!

However, to throw the cat amongst the pigeons... Mr YoungSoul if you havent been influenced anybody at all, how can you hate the "overplayed" stuff? Because youve got to hear these songs for the very first time at some point, surely thats when you should start to form an opinion on wether you like it or not?

Edited December 5, 2013 by NorthernJordan

[Tezza]

Wise words for such a young heart Jordan.    We move from one side of the Pennines to the other and what is overplayed in the East Midlands is fresh and new to our friends on the smelly side of the Pennines and visa versa.  ( Not everything obviously !! )

Educating is a word that they do like to use on SS but in some cases it is appropriate.

[Spacehopper]

sadly my works pc is being a twat and can only see black sqaures so can not comment on the tunes aaron has posted

 

i would just say aaron watch how you word things on this site..i now re-read posts before i post them and i still seem to piss people off after years of being on here..people still seem to sometimes read negative things which were not intended..and sometimes you can go round and round and will have to agree to disagree..but' thats life i guesss'

 

i will also say however its a still a great site with lots of knowledge and top people on it..those who love rnb,northern,funk,70s,modern and  reggae..so live,learn and enjoy

 

dean

[Pete S]

It isn't Northern Soul!

Just off to the Post Office to draw my pension and buy enough records with my £110:00 to become the "hip dj that everybody knows."

 

No it's not.  I might just as well post up my favourite 50's rock & roll records if we're just going to post up any old 50's tunes, it's supposed to be a Soul forum?

[KevH]

Aaron,is this the sort of stuff you like.Not my cuppa though.....

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI3PFF4f6Yc

[Bazza]

Aaron,is this the sort of stuff you like.Not my cuppa though...

I quite Like it Kev,but I guess you expected me to   

 

Bazza  

Edited December 5, 2013 by Bazza

[KevH]

I Like it Kev,but I guess you expected me to   

 

Bazza  

 

No,wasn't sure you would.

[Winnie :-)]

Aaron,is this the sort of stuff you like.Not my cuppa though.....

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI3PFF4f6Yc

I listened to Aaron's choices and as someone has already said, they're not remotely northern and I pretty much disliked them. Listened to this one and found myself actually thinking I quite like this and I'd dance to it, so if they're regarded as the same genre, they're must be a subtle difference I'm missing?

[Spacehopper]

GRRRR!! cant see them let alone hear them..what are they ? please !!

[Winnie :-)]

GRRRR!! cant see them let alone hear them..what are they ? please !!

Kev put up Nichelle Nichols - Know what I mean

 

Aaron put up; 

Dakota Staton - My babe

Merv Griffin - The screemin' Meemies from planet X

Sylvia Sims - Each Day

Katherine Holt - My Love

Carol Connors - That's all it takes

[Spacehopper]

cheers...know the sylvia sims and katherine holt..and like em although not in my playbox..just had a listen to the others on you tube and agree they are not really the soulful side of rnb

Edited December 5, 2013 by spacehopper

[Jim G]

To respond to original question, for me I guess there are two questions:

 

1. How long will the music live?

2. How long will the venues and dancing scene live?

 

My response to number 1 is the love of the music will endure for many years to come, but after most of us have gone to great dance floor in the sky, who knows and only time will tell. I will still be listening to music I have loved for the last 42 years, and will until I go. I love it when I hear a new tune for the first time, something I have not heard before and of course tastes change. Stompers are still great, but there has always been great different tempo records out there and they are becoming increasing popular and I love listening to them.

 

In response to number 2, for me it will determined by old age. People will still want to go venues to meet friends, listen to music and of course have a dance. But time and age waits for no-one. So maybe in 15 years time, aside from big events, most local events will probably dwindle away. The younger fans of course will continue and that will be great, but even the type of venue used today might not be around in 15 years time. Working Mens clubs are closing all the time. So in short, whilst there is a demand, then venues will continue, but simply put, we are not getting any younger and that fact alone will be the biggest determining factor on how long the dancing venues survive.

 

Maybe the venue of the future will be a local pub, no dancing, just play out great music amongst friends, have a bite to eat and a few beers. So enjoy what we have now, as a someone once said "Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, so live for the now"

[TOAD]

The youngsters will soon fade away as most did around the twentys age. The scene has been dumbed down so much due to the media and books.every man and his dog are "into northern soul" yet few actually get it or support a scene.

[Pete S]

The youngsters will soon fade away as most did around the twentys age. The scene has been dumbed down so much due to the media and books.every man and his dog are "into northern soul" yet few actually get it or support a scene.

 

You're right about the media.  I took Sam round to a school friends house last night and I had a conversation with his Dad (aged approx 40) who I'd only briefly said hello to at school, anyway I had a really nice chat with this guy, when I mentioned Northern Soul he immediately said "yeah it's making a come back isn't it", so he's obviously seen the BBC program or heard something on the radio.

[Back Street Blue]

The reality is that the broad church of northern soul is a phenomenon that has so far stood the test of time unlike any other genre of post war music.

 

Various youth cultures evolved with the music at their core and for three generations, as each group reached maturity, a new strain emerged carrying the music forward with it.

 

It seems to me that the last such "youth culture" emerged in the '80s and that what has separated NS from contemporary genres of music is the fact that its devotees have maintained their enthusiasm for the music and carried it forward into middle age.

 

For it to continue, it must be adopted by a new generation with the same all consuming interest in it.

 

So the future depends on how the youngsters currently involved with the scene, and their generation, run with the baton.

 

All I can say is that they had better get their skates on 'cos its already starting to smell like p*ss and biscuits!  

[Tezza]

To respond to original question, for me I guess there are two questions:

 

1. How long will the music live?

2. How long will the venues and dancing scene live?

 

My response to number 1 is the love of the music will endure for many years to come, but after most of us have gone to great dance floor in the sky, who knows and only time will tell. I will still be listening to music I have loved for the last 42 years, and will until I go. I love it when I hear a new tune for the first time, something I have not heard before and of course tastes change. Stompers are still great, but there has always been great different tempo records out there and they are becoming increasing popular and I love listening to them.

 

In response to number 2, for me it will determined by old age. People will still want to go venues to meet friends, listen to music and of course have a dance. But time and age waits for no-one. So maybe in 15 years time, aside from big events, most local events will probably dwindle away. The younger fans of course will continue and that will be great, but even the type of venue used today might not be around in 15 years time. Working Mens clubs are closing all the time. So in short, whilst there is a demand, then venues will continue, but simply put, we are not getting any younger and that fact alone will be the biggest determining factor on how long the dancing venues survive.

 

Maybe the venue of the future will be a local pub, no dancing, just play out great music amongst friends, have a bite to eat and a few beers. So enjoy what we have now, as a someone once said "Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, so live for the now"

 

Agree Jim

It is a sad reality but it will probably die with us.  There is no fundemental right that states we must create a legacy and the young guys and girls are welcome to create a 'Scene' of their own. They are also more than welcome through our doors.   What we don't want is people coming in and telling us that what we had is gone and we should be moving on or indeed, what we have is shit  It is not gone, it is forever in our Hearts and will live through us.  Mine ! Leave me alone and let me enjoy what I have.  Yours - Enjoy what you have but do not try to force feed it to me or tell me I am wrong   Music has always been subjective. Millions love/loved Queen - I hated them but how can they all be wrong ? Just my particular taste in Music.

[KevH]

I listened to Aaron's choices and as someone has already said, they're not remotely northern and I pretty much disliked them. Listened to this one and found myself actually thinking I quite like this and I'd dance to it, so if they're regarded as the same genre, they're must be a subtle difference I'm missing?

 

Maybe that falls into the popcorn genre.?

[Winnie :-)]

Maybe that falls into the popcorn genre.?

Or it's just better to my ears and is certainly closer to a 'northern' sound 

[Pete S]

I listened to Aaron's choices and as someone has already said, they're not remotely northern and I pretty much disliked them. Listened to this one and found myself actually thinking I quite like this and I'd dance to it, so if they're regarded as the same genre, they're must be a subtle difference I'm missing?

 

I must be missing all of it, thats one of the worst songs I've ever heard, the backing's alright but the lyrics and singing are the aural equivalent of a bowel movement

[Tezza]

I must be missing all of it, thats one of the worst songs I've ever heard, the backing's alright but the lyrics and singing are the aural equivalent of a bowel movement

What are you trying to say Pete ? Lol !!

[Sooty]

You're right about the media.  I took Sam round to a school friends house last night and I had a conversation with his Dad (aged approx 40) who I'd only briefly said hello to at school, anyway I had a really nice chat with this guy, when I mentioned Northern Soul he immediately said "yeah it's making a come back isn't it", so he's obviously seen the BBC program or heard something on the radio.

 

Not just the media either Pete..X  My mate Pete is part of the music industry's user groups who get access to what 'moguls' are saying...or into...for the day! There has been Emails circulating over recent weeks of lists of the top 100 Northern tracks...asked of by someone high up in the US connected to some global company....and then Execs have been passing round Utube clips of folk dancing in chip shops/shop aisles and the girl Alison H pointed out t'other day! That was about 4 or 5 weeks ago!! Ronnie Canada had just been to the States and returned to join our Studios....he said the 'thing' that was good to Edwin Starr is a real buzz among them all over there too!!!x

Listen to mainstream music from Adele to Dizzy.....all 'northern' based sounds really...or can be identified as a 60's soul feel. It's been going on for at least a year or so this 'buzz'!x

 

LUV

SOOTY

X

[KevH]

I must be missing all of it, thats one of the worst songs I've ever heard, the backing's alright but the lyrics and singing are the aural equivalent of a bowel movement

 

Lyrically its bad.First time iv'e heard "souffle" in a song.