Pete S Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 (edited) Didn't want to ruin the sellers sales advert so making a new post but come on, do me a favour Jackie Burns & Bo Bells— I Do the Best I Can — MGM DJ M- £75 Rarer US copy - spotless yellow demo Rarer US copy? It sold about 5 copies in the UK and the rest are demo copies. Whereas the US copy was distributed in it's thousands to every radio station in the land. Edited November 13, 2013 by Pete S 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Rimmer Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 There's someone on here who has recently posted a sales list where the prices were all way above Manship's book price, in some cases, twice what John had listed them as in the guide. Now I know it's up to the seller to price things as they like, but surely if you actually want to sell things you price them accordingly. I wouldn't mind, but the seller posted almost exactly the same list the following week, with the same ridiculously high prices !! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Popular Post Patto Posted November 13, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2013 Whenever i have sold stuff on here some people have told me i have let stuff go too cheap.But the crucial word is SELL.Some of these people can't possibly sell owt so whats the point of posting.My formula for a definite sale is usually J Ms price minus 50%, and even at that i always clear more than i initially paid for them 5 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 Whenever i have sold stuff on here some people have told me i have let stuff go too cheap.But the crucial word is SELL.Some of these people can't possibly sell owt so whats the point of posting.My formula for a definite sale is usually J Ms price minus 50%, and even at that i always clear more than i initially paid for them Spot on. Last week I tried to give someone some advice on a couple of records that were priced way too high and someone else came on and said I'd f*cked up the guy's sale - if anything, it would have helped the sale. Anyway thats why I started a separate thread this time. I have to laugh when I see things like Ketty Lester "Some things" and HB Barnum "It hurts" described as 'rare stock copy'...there are no demos! 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
davidwapples Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 before i buy on here i usually check manship and ebay prices there was a record last week that was for sale on here for 70 / 75 quid that craig moorer had by it now for 50 ish and one on auction for 15 with 1 day to go Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Popular Post Dobber Posted November 13, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2013 very true the crucial word is SELL! and also if the record is actually WANTED! as an example..ive had the abstract reality_love burns like a fire inside up for sale for £80 in m- condition,jm has a ex copy on his site for £350...the fact is that mine is priced to sell...however it hasnt sold because no one wants it cos its CRAP! 4 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 very true the crucial word is SELL! and also if the record is actually WANTED! as an example..ive had the abstract reality_love burns like a fire inside up for sale for £80 in m- condition,jm has a ex copy on his site for £350...the fact is that mine is priced to sell...however it hasnt sold because no one wants it cos its CRAP! Excellent summing up mate, though I could probably get you £125 for it though, 20% commission 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dobber Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Excellent summing up mate, though I could probably get you £125 for it though, 20% commission haha...take the record and give me half of what you get! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 (edited) haha...take the record and give me half of what you get! OK next list I do I'll put it on there and see what happens! I don't actually have to have it in my hands. Edited November 13, 2013 by Pete S 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dobber Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 OK next list I do I'll put it on there and see what happens! I don't actually have to have it in my hands. cheers pete...i will send it over to you anyway...leave it with ya! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 cheers pete...i will send it over to you anyway...leave it with ya! Send anything else while you're at it, it's about time I did a decent list 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modernsoulsucks Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 I've just sold Abstract Reality for £75. Well I had till you two "talked it up" in such glowing terms. In fact I'm reporting you both to Sales moderator. Moderator tells me to grow up. ROD 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 I've just sold Abstract Reality for £75. Well I had till you two "talked it up" in such glowing terms. In fact I'm reporting you both to Sales moderator. Moderator tells me to grow up. ROD Does make you think though. One one site there are two copies for £75, and on another there is a copy for £350. One or the other has to be wrong. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modernsoulsucks Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 I can't imagine John has anything unrealistically priced on his site. ROD 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Popular Post Quinvy Posted November 13, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2013 (edited) I can't imagine John has anything unrealistically priced on his site. ROD Edited November 13, 2013 by Quinvy 5 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 file://localhost/Users/cravenmodelcentre/Desktop/rofl.giffile://localhost/Users/cravenmodelcentre/Desktop/rofl.giffile://localhost/Users/cravenmodelcentre/Desktop/rofl.gif Thats easy for you to say... 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mal C Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 (edited) My view is that allot of these prices are to a large percent from new sellers on the site, like allot of you I've bought and sold on here for years, and know who sells what and what their pricing is like, but I see allot of unrealistic set sale or offers on stuff that's pretty common and in most cases goes for allot less. Sign if the times, people want to raise cash through their old record collections, and allot may have paid allot more in the past, but those records have tumbled in price the last year or so... And People will simply try their luck....I I've paid over the odds for tracks off soul source, the way I see it is it's a small economy of its own, I'm happy to put in through buying and selling with regular sellers... So remember that, you buy mine, and in turn I'll buy yours.... Laughs Malcolm Edited November 13, 2013 by Mal.C. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest sharmo 1 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Didn't want to ruin the sellers sales advert so making a new post but come on, do me a favour Jackie Burns & Bo Bells— I Do the Best I Can — MGM DJ M- £75 Rarer US copy - spotless yellow demo Rarer US copy? It sold about 5 copies in the UK and the rest are demo copies. Whereas the US copy was distributed in it's thousands to every radio station in the land. Pete what would you rate a U.K demo at mate ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Quinvy Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 To be serious for a moment, I sell records on behalf of other people, and you have to use the prices they want. I can usually tell before listing them which will sell and which don't have a chance, but my hands are tied. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mal C Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 We were being serious... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Quinvy Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 So was I actually. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dean Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 There's someone on here who has recently posted a sales list where the prices were all way above Manship's book price, in some cases, twice what John had listed them as in the guide. Now I know it's up to the seller to price things as they like, but surely if you actually want to sell things you price them accordingly. I wouldn't mind, but the seller posted almost exactly the same list the following week, with the same ridiculously high prices !! As a general principal I'd agree regarding the benchmark of JMs prices, and looking at 50% as realistic depending upon grading, but there are some that are undervalued in the guide. I'm going to look at posting a ROJAC (119) black/white promo (Ex) Lavell Hardy - What Kind of Woman for which I'd unashamedly ask £80+ where there's a book price of £40. John doesn't know the scarcity of each and every record and I think this one is difficult, much more than the book price would indicate. However, I grant you it's more usual the other way. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 To be serious for a moment, I sell records on behalf of other people, and you have to use the prices they want. I can usually tell before listing them which will sell and which don't have a chance, but my hands are tied. So do I, but we agree beforehand what the lowest they will go to is, so we start it at one price but if it doesn't sell, I've got carte blanche to keep reducing it until it's gone. If the price is unrealistic, I tell them. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 Pete what would you rate a U.K demo at mate ? Bout the same as an issue I think mate, £75 or so - toughie to sell nowadays, despite being bloomin great Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
jimmy clitheroe Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 I cant be bothered to read some of the sales lists posted by certain members , just Way to expensive!! There Just Chancers ,,,Paul 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 I cant be bothered to read some of the sales lists posted by certain members , just Way to expensive!! There Just Chancers ,,,Paul Same here. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest sharmo 1 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Bout the same as an issue I think mate, £75 or so - toughie to sell nowadays, despite being bloomin great Cheers Pete. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Popular Post Sutty Posted November 13, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2013 (edited) i've commented twice on sales on here, never again, First time I pointed out it was a ridiculous sale but in a light hearted manner, this resulted in a torrent of personal abuse offlist. Second time the thread got shut down. You can't help some people, I read sales on here every day and a lot are form the same people listing bargains that are over-priced and I bet they don't sell many of them, like some others I dont even bother reading their lists anymore. Some sales lists are the same sales over and over again and I really feel like saying, if you make your prices more reasonable, you might not have to copy and paste that list for the umpteenth time. Each to their own, personally I prefer to sell the things i've had for sale rather than sit it out til time immemorial trying to get an extra 20-50% of the realistic price I might get for them a record has been listed today for offers that is available on the web starting at £3. cheers Sutty Edited November 13, 2013 by Sutty 5 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soulaction Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 I cant be bothered to read some of the sales lists posted by certain members , just Way to expensive!! There Just Chancers ,,,Paul Have to agree.A lot of the same lists are reposted time after time.Mainly the too expensive stuff,that won't sell.Also,many wanting book prices for vg condition stuff,never mind mt-.Saying that,have had some very fair deals on here in the past,just not recently. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 i've commented twice on sales on here, never again, First time I pointed out it was a ridiculous sale but in a light hearted manner, this resulted in a torrent of personal abuse offlist. Second time the thread got shut down. You can't help some people, I read sales on here every day and a lot are form the same people listing bargains that are over-priced and I bet they don't sell many of them, like some others I dont even bother reading their lists anymore. Some sales lists are the same sales over and over again and I really feel like saying, if you make your prices more reasonable, you might not have to copy and paste that list for the umpteenth time. Each to their own, personally I prefer to sell the things i've had for sale rather than sit it out til time immemorial trying to get an extra 20-50% of the realistic price I might get for them a record has been listed today for offers that is available on the web starting at £3. cheers Sutty Agree with everything you say Paul and I've had the same responses as you did. I'm only in it to sell things to put food on the table for my family. If it doesn't sell first time, it gets reduced, and so on, until it goes. It's great if you have a stock of 10,000 records and it doesn't matter if they sell or not because there's always something else you can list, but when it's your only income, and you run out of records rapidly, you do what you have to do. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 People selling records are all very different in what they know and what they want out of it. Some people don't know the price of every record, or the current market value of certain records. As an example, other people aren't necessarily great at judging or describing condition - which is very subjective anyway, even with a detailed guide - and some folk don't want to, or don't have the time to provide much information to potential buyers. Turning over money is obviously very important to certain people, especially those where record sales are part of their regular income. Some other folk are very happy to sit on a record until the right person comes along willing to pay the asking price. It strikes me that it is very much like any other collector-based market (e.g. antiques) with a real mixture of different people right from from professional dealers, to those who are just selling as part of a hobby - maybe to trade up or finance a new purchase. This means there is not really a right or wrong way to go about selling records - especially in pricing them - because different people have different objectives. I have hardly ever sold any records, going right back from when I started collecting as a teenager, and I have only very recently started dipping my toe in the water in selling. Because this is unfamiliar territory for me personally, my current take on things is to try and test things out a bit, provide as much information as I can in the time available, and be as honest as I can (e.g. with condition). Just don't think there are any hard and fast rules on this. Cheers Richard Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 People selling records are all very different in what they know and what they want out of it. Some people don't know the price of every record, or the current market value of certain records. As an example, other people aren't necessarily great at judging or describing condition - which is very subjective anyway, even with a detailed guide - and some folk don't want to, or don't have the time to provide much information to potential buyers. Turning over money is obviously very important to certain people, especially those where record sales are part of their regular income. Some other folk are very happy to sit on a record until the right person comes along willing to pay the asking price. It strikes me that it is very much like any other collector-based market (e.g. antiques) with a real mixture of different people right from from professional dealers, to those who are just selling as part of a hobby - maybe to trade up or finance a new purchase. This means there is not really a right or wrong way to go about selling records - especially in pricing them - because different people have different objectives. I have hardly ever sold any records, going right back from when I started collecting as a teenager, and I have only very recently started dipping my toe in the water in selling. Because this is unfamiliar territory for me personally, my current take on things is to try and test things out a bit, provide as much information as I can in the time available, and be as honest as I can (e.g. with condition). Just don't think there are any hard and fast rules on this. Cheers Richard There's just one. Don't rip people off. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 Have to agree.A lot of the same lists are reposted time after time.Mainly the too expensive stuff,that won't sell.Also,many wanting book prices for vg condition stuff,never mind mt-.Saying that,have had some very fair deals on here in the past,just not recently. Have a look at the most recent post in sales and you'll find VG records ABOVE book prices! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 There's just one. Don't rip people off. That's basically what I said, without being quite as direct about it. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Popular Post Markw Posted November 13, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2013 I'm not at all sure what the issue is here or what folk want to achieve with this thread? The price of a record is a matter between the seller and any potential buyer and it really is nobody else's business at all, frankly. As stated above, there are different motivations for offering records at certain prices. If you don't like the price and the seller won't shift to where you want it, either put up or shut up, move on, get off the car lot - go and do something more useful with your time instead. 4 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 I'm not at all sure what the issue is here or what folk want to achieve with this thread? The price of a record is a matter between the seller and any potential buyer and it really is nobody else's business at all, frankly. As stated above, there are different motivations for offering records at certain prices. If you don't like the price and the seller won't shift to where you want it, either put up or shut up, move on, get off the car lot - go and do something more useful with your time instead. The original topic is SLIGHTLY EXAGGERATED SALES POSTS, nothing to do with prices. It's evolved from that. And everyone's enjoying themselves, except three of you, apparently. 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
NEV Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 It's basically about .. not proper etiquette to post on a person's sale if you think the prices are high ,so start a thread elsewhere and do pretty much the same . I think it's an age thing .. the older we get ,the more miserable we become ... the older we get ,the more boring we get . .the older we get ,the less we refuse to take on board new things ... the older we get ,the less tolerant we become and more irritable .. The older we get ,the more advice we offer ... Oh ..if only the younger folk would listen ,they might learn some wisdom from us old Ba**ards 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve L Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 the older we get ,the more miserable we become ... the older we get ,the more boring we get . .the older we get ,the less we refuse to take on board new things ... the older we get ,the less tolerant we become and more irritable .. The older we get ,the more advice we offer ... Speak for yourself Nev Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 The original topic is SLIGHTLY EXAGGERATED SALES POSTS, nothing to do with prices. It's evolved from that. That would be much more interesting. One example of such a claim you see quite often is Roy Handy - Baby That's A Groove Rare White Demo - but the white demo is the commonly found format, whereas the original styrene green-labelled issue is pretty much shit rare Cheers Richard Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Markw Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 The original topic is SLIGHTLY EXAGGERATED SALES POSTS, nothing to do with prices. It's evolved from that. And everyone's enjoying themselves, except three of you, apparently. I like being grumpy..............almost as much as you do. 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 (edited) It's basically about .. not proper etiquette to post on a person's sale if you think the prices are high ,so start a thread elsewhere and do pretty much the same . Erm, Nev, I started the topic with "I didn't want to post on his sales topic"so I've started a new topic Edited November 13, 2013 by Pete S Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Popular Post Pete S Posted November 13, 2013 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2013 I like being grumpy..............almost as much as you do. I am not grumpy, I haven't been grumpy for a good 5 weeks now since I went back on Prozac, I am Mr f*cking Happy apart from the fact I had a blood test today and they couldn't find a vein so I've got an arm like a pincushion, and our new dog bit my missus so she spent most of the day in A&E, and Grace won't eat anything... 4 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 As a general principal I'd agree regarding the benchmark of JMs prices, and looking at 50% as realistic depending upon grading, but there are some that are undervalued in the guide. I'm going to look at posting a ROJAC (119) black/white promo (Ex) Lavell Hardy - What Kind of Woman for which I'd unashamedly ask £80+ where there's a book price of £40. John doesn't know the scarcity of each and every record and I think this one is difficult, much more than the book price would indicate. However, I grant you it's more usual the other way. And the Lavell Hardy issue, is on another site for £100.I'd ask £150 for the wdj. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 As a general principal I'd agree regarding the benchmark of JMs prices, and looking at 50% as realistic depending upon grading, but there are some that are undervalued in the guide. I'm going to look at posting a ROJAC (119) black/white promo (Ex) Lavell Hardy - What Kind of Woman for which I'd unashamedly ask £80+ where there's a book price of £40. John doesn't know the scarcity of each and every record and I think this one is difficult, much more than the book price would indicate. However, I grant you it's more usual the other way. Dean Courtney MGM issue, was in all previous books at a ridiculous 250 or something like that, it's now 450, I got over £1000 for it what 4 years ago now...still waiting to see another one 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
NEV Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 (edited) Erm, Nev, I started the topic with "I didn't want to post on his sales topic"so I've started a new topic Ermm yeah , i can say how that would work Pete .. post a topic about a specific sale ,but on a different thread Edited November 13, 2013 by NEV Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 (edited) Ermm yeah , i can say how that would work Pete .. post a topic about a specific sale ,but on a different thread oh F*CKING WHATEVER Nev normally I'd stomp off an close the topic but nah... Edited November 13, 2013 by Pete S Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 That would be much more interesting. One example of such a claim you see quite often is Roy Handy - Baby That's A Groove Rare White Demo - but the white demo is the commonly found format, whereas the original styrene green-labelled issue is pretty much shit rare Cheers Richard See I had no idea about that, I'd have sold - and do sell - the green one for hardly anything, £20??? And I'd have wanted £40 for the demo. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 (edited) See I had no idea about that, I'd have sold - and do sell - the green one for hardly anything, £20??? And I'd have wanted £40 for the demo.The green ones you normally see are mid green label presssed on vinyl - bootlegs The original issue is on styrene with a lighter green stuck on label like the Prophets on Stephanye. Have the rare green styrene issue but would like a true minter so let me know if you find one Pete. There are one or two threads on here about this. Cheers Richard Edited November 13, 2013 by Premium Stuff Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 The green ones you normally see are mid green label presssed on vinyl. The original issue is on styrene with a lighter green stuck on label like the Prophets on Stephanye. Have the rare green styrene issue but would like a true minter so let me know if you find one Pete. There are one or two threads on here about this. Cheers Richard Yeah I know those green bootlegs, I was talking about styrene, though maybe I'm getting mixed up with My Kinda Girl or something else Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 I'm always open to receiving constructive feedback on any of my sales on here by means of PM by the way - price or any other aspect. Cheers Richard 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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