Slightly Exaggerated Sales Posts

[Pete S]

Didn't want to ruin the sellers sales advert so making a new post but come on, do me a favour

 

Jackie Burns & Bo Bells— I Do the Best I Can — MGM DJ M- £75

Rarer US copy - spotless yellow demo

 

Rarer US copy?  It sold about 5 copies in the UK and the rest are demo copies.  Whereas the US copy was distributed in it's thousands to every radio station in the land.

Edited November 13, 2013 by Pete S

[Dave Rimmer]

There's someone on here who has recently posted a sales list where the prices were all way above Manship's book price, in some cases, twice what John had listed them as in the guide.

 

Now I know it's up to the seller to price things as they like, but surely if you actually want to sell things you price them accordingly. I wouldn't mind, but the seller posted almost exactly the same list the following week, with the same ridiculously high prices !!

[Patto]

Whenever i have sold stuff on here some people have told me i have let stuff go too cheap.But the crucial word is SELL.Some of these people can't possibly sell owt so whats the point of posting.My formula for a definite sale is usually J Ms price minus 50%, and even at that i always clear more than i initially paid for them

[Pete S]

Whenever i have sold stuff on here some people have told me i have let stuff go too cheap.But the crucial word is SELL.Some of these people can't possibly sell owt so whats the point of posting.My formula for a definite sale is usually J Ms price minus 50%, and even at that i always clear more than i initially paid for them

 

Spot on.  Last week I tried to give someone some advice on a couple of records that were priced way too high and someone else came on and said I'd f*cked up the guy's sale - if anything, it would have helped the sale.

Anyway thats why I started a separate thread this time.

I have to laugh when I see things like Ketty Lester "Some things" and HB Barnum "It hurts" described as 'rare stock copy'...there are no demos!

[davidwapples]

before i buy on here i usually check manship and ebay prices

 

there was a record last week that was for sale on here for 70 / 75 quid that craig moorer had by it now for 50 ish and one on auction for 15 with 1 day to go

[Dobber]

very true the crucial word is SELL! and also if the record is actually WANTED! as an example..ive had the abstract reality_love burns like a fire inside up for sale for £80 in m- condition,jm has a ex copy on his site for £350...the fact is that mine is priced to sell...however it hasnt sold because no one wants it cos its CRAP!

[Pete S]

very true the crucial word is SELL! and also if the record is actually WANTED! as an example..ive had the abstract reality_love burns like a fire inside up for sale for £80 in m- condition,jm has a ex copy on his site for £350...the fact is that mine is priced to sell...however it hasnt sold because no one wants it cos its CRAP!

 

Excellent summing up mate, though I could probably get you £125 for it though, 20% commission 

[Dobber]

Excellent summing up mate, though I could probably get you £125 for it though, 20% commission 

haha...take the record and give me half of what you get!

[Pete S]

haha...take the record and give me half of what you get!

 

OK next list I do I'll put it on there and see what happens!  I don't actually have to have it in my hands.

Edited November 13, 2013 by Pete S

[Dobber]

OK next list I do I'll put it on there and see what happens!  I don't actually have to have it in my hands.

cheers pete...i will send it over to you anyway...leave it with ya!

[Pete S]

cheers pete...i will send it over to you anyway...leave it with ya!

 

Send anything else while you're at it, it's about time I did a decent list 

[Modernsoulsucks]

I've just sold Abstract Reality for £75.

 

Well I had till you two "talked it up" in such glowing terms.

 

In fact I'm reporting you both to Sales moderator.

 

Moderator tells me to grow up.

 

ROD

[Pete S]

I've just sold Abstract Reality for £75.

 

Well I had till you two "talked it up" in such glowing terms.

 

In fact I'm reporting you both to Sales moderator.

 

Moderator tells me to grow up.

 

ROD

 

Does make you think though. One one site there are two copies for £75, and on another there is a copy for £350.  One or the other has to be wrong.

[Modernsoulsucks]

I can't imagine John has anything unrealistically priced on his site.

 

ROD

[Quinvy]

I can't imagine John has anything unrealistically priced on his site.

 

ROD

 

Edited November 13, 2013 by Quinvy

[Pete S]

 

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Thats easy for you to say...

[Mal C]

My view is that allot of these prices are to a large percent from new sellers on the site, like allot of you I've bought and sold on here for years, and know who sells what and what their pricing is like, but I see allot of unrealistic set sale or offers on stuff that's pretty common and in most cases goes for allot less.

Sign if the times, people want to raise cash through their old record collections, and allot may have paid allot more in the past, but those records have tumbled in price the last year or so... And People will simply try their luck....I

I've paid over the odds for tracks off soul source, the way I see it is it's a small economy of its own, I'm happy to put in through buying and selling with regular sellers... So remember that, you buy mine, and in turn I'll buy yours.... Laughs

Malcolm

Edited November 13, 2013 by Mal.C.

[Guest sharmo 1]

Didn't want to ruin the sellers sales advert so making a new post but come on, do me a favour

 

Jackie Burns & Bo Bells— I Do the Best I Can — MGM DJ M- £75

Rarer US copy - spotless yellow demo

 

Rarer US copy?  It sold about 5 copies in the UK and the rest are demo copies.  Whereas the US copy was distributed in it's thousands to every radio station in the land.

Pete what would you rate a U.K demo at mate ?

[Quinvy]

To be serious for a moment, I sell records on behalf of other people, and you have to use the prices they want. I can usually tell before listing them which will sell and which don't have a chance, but my hands are tied. 

[Mal C]

We were being serious...

[Quinvy]

So was I actually. 

[Dean]

There's someone on here who has recently posted a sales list where the prices were all way above Manship's book price, in some cases, twice what John had listed them as in the guide.

 

Now I know it's up to the seller to price things as they like, but surely if you actually want to sell things you price them accordingly. I wouldn't mind, but the seller posted almost exactly the same list the following week, with the same ridiculously high prices !!

 

As a general principal I'd agree regarding the benchmark of JMs prices, and looking at 50% as realistic depending upon grading, but there are some that are undervalued in the guide. I'm going to look at posting a ROJAC (119) black/white promo (Ex) Lavell Hardy - What Kind of Woman for which I'd unashamedly ask £80+ where there's a book price of £40. John doesn't know the scarcity of each and every record and I think this one is difficult, much more than the book price would indicate. However, I grant you it's more usual the other way.

[Pete S]

To be serious for a moment, I sell records on behalf of other people, and you have to use the prices they want. I can usually tell before listing them which will sell and which don't have a chance, but my hands are tied. 

 

So do I, but we agree beforehand what the lowest they will go to is, so we start it at one price but if it doesn't sell, I've got carte blanche to keep reducing it until it's gone.  If the price is unrealistic, I tell them.

[Pete S]

Pete what would you rate a U.K demo at mate ?

 

Bout the same as an issue I think mate, £75 or so - toughie to sell nowadays, despite being bloomin great

[jimmy clitheroe]

I cant be bothered to read some of the sales lists posted by certain members , just Way to expensive!! There Just Chancers  ,,,Paul

[Pete S]

I cant be bothered to read some of the sales lists posted by certain members , just Way to expensive!! There Just Chancers  ,,,Paul

 

Same here.  

[Guest sharmo 1]

Bout the same as an issue I think mate, £75 or so - toughie to sell nowadays, despite being bloomin great

Cheers Pete.

[Sutty]

i've commented twice on sales on here, never again, First time I pointed out it was a ridiculous sale but in a light hearted manner, this resulted in a torrent of personal abuse offlist. Second time the thread got shut down. You can't help some people, I read sales on here every day and a lot are form the same people listing bargains that are over-priced and I bet they don't sell many of them, like some others I dont even bother reading their lists anymore. Some sales lists are the same sales over and over again and I really feel like saying, if you make your prices more reasonable, you might not have to copy and paste that list for the umpteenth time. Each to their own, personally I prefer to sell the things i've had for sale rather than sit it out til time immemorial trying to get an extra 20-50% of the realistic price I might get for them a record has been listed today for offers that is available on the web starting at £3.

cheers Sutty

Edited November 13, 2013 by Sutty

[Soulaction]

I cant be bothered to read some of the sales lists posted by certain members , just Way to expensive!! There Just Chancers  ,,,Paul

 

Have to agree.A lot of the same lists are reposted time after time.Mainly

the too expensive stuff,that won't sell.Also,many wanting book prices for

vg condition stuff,never mind mt-.Saying that,have had some very

fair deals on here in the past,just not recently.

[Pete S]

i've commented twice on sales on here, never again, First time I pointed out it was a ridiculous sale but in a light hearted manner, this resulted in a torrent of personal abuse offlist. Second time the thread got shut down. You can't help some people, I read sales on here every day and a lot are form the same people listing bargains that are over-priced and I bet they don't sell many of them, like some others I dont even bother reading their lists anymore. Some sales lists are the same sales over and over again and I really feel like saying, if you make your prices more reasonable, you might not have to copy and paste that list for the umpteenth time. Each to their own, personally I prefer to sell the things i've had for sale rather than sit it out til time immemorial trying to get an extra 20-50% of the realistic price I might get for them a record has been listed today for offers that is available on the web starting at £3.

cheers Sutty

 

Agree with everything you say Paul and I've had the same responses as you did.

I'm only in it to sell things to put food on the table for my family.  If it doesn't sell first time, it gets reduced, and so on, until it goes.  It's great if you have a stock of 10,000 records and it doesn't matter if they sell or not because there's always something else you can list, but when it's your only income, and you run out of records rapidly, you do what you have to do.  

[Premium Stuff]

People selling records are all very different in what they know and what they want out of it.

 

Some people don't know the price of every record, or the current market value of certain records.

 

As an example, other people aren't necessarily great at judging or describing condition - which is very subjective anyway, even with a detailed guide - and some folk don't want to, or don't have the time to provide much information to potential buyers.

 

Turning over money is obviously very important to certain people, especially those where record sales are part of their regular income. Some other folk are very happy to sit on a record until the right person comes along willing to pay the asking price.

 

It strikes me that it is very much like any other collector-based market (e.g. antiques) with a real mixture of different people right from from professional dealers, to those who are just selling as part of a hobby - maybe to trade up or finance a new purchase.

 

This means there is not really a right or wrong way to go about selling records - especially in pricing them - because different people have different objectives.

 

I have hardly ever sold any records, going right back from when I started collecting as a teenager, and I have only very recently started dipping my toe in the water in selling.

 

Because this is unfamiliar territory for me personally, my current take on things is to try and test things out a bit, provide as much information as I can in the time available, and be as honest as I can (e.g. with condition).

 

Just don't think there are any hard and fast rules on this.

 

Cheers

 

Richard

[Pete S]

People selling records are all very different in what they know and what they want out of it.

 

Some people don't know the price of every record, or the current market value of certain records.

 

As an example, other people aren't necessarily great at judging or describing condition - which is very subjective anyway, even with a detailed guide - and some folk don't want to, or don't have the time to provide much information to potential buyers.

 

Turning over money is obviously very important to certain people, especially those where record sales are part of their regular income. Some other folk are very happy to sit on a record until the right person comes along willing to pay the asking price.

 

It strikes me that it is very much like any other collector-based market (e.g. antiques) with a real mixture of different people right from from professional dealers, to those who are just selling as part of a hobby - maybe to trade up or finance a new purchase.

 

This means there is not really a right or wrong way to go about selling records - especially in pricing them - because different people have different objectives.

 

I have hardly ever sold any records, going right back from when I started collecting as a teenager, and I have only very recently started dipping my toe in the water in selling.

 

Because this is unfamiliar territory for me personally, my current take on things is to try and test things out a bit, provide as much information as I can in the time available, and be as honest as I can (e.g. with condition).

 

Just don't think there are any hard and fast rules on this.

 

Cheers

 

Richard

 

There's just one.

Don't rip people off.

[Pete S]

Have to agree.A lot of the same lists are reposted time after time.Mainly

the too expensive stuff,that won't sell.Also,many wanting book prices for

vg condition stuff,never mind mt-.Saying that,have had some very

fair deals on here in the past,just not recently.

 

Have a look at the most recent post in sales and you'll find VG records ABOVE book prices!

[Premium Stuff]

There's just one.

Don't rip people off.

 

That's basically what I said, without being quite as direct about it.

[Markw]

I'm not at all sure what the issue is here or what folk want to achieve with this thread? The price of a record is a matter between the seller and any potential buyer and it really is nobody else's business at all, frankly.

 

As stated above, there are different motivations for offering records at certain prices. If you don't like the price and the seller won't shift to where you want it, either put up or shut up, move on, get off the car lot - go and do something more useful with your time instead.

[Pete S]

I'm not at all sure what the issue is here or what folk want to achieve with this thread? The price of a record is a matter between the seller and any potential buyer and it really is nobody else's business at all, frankly.

 

As stated above, there are different motivations for offering records at certain prices. If you don't like the price and the seller won't shift to where you want it, either put up or shut up, move on, get off the car lot - go and do something more useful with your time instead.

 

The original topic is SLIGHTLY EXAGGERATED SALES POSTS, nothing to do with prices.

It's evolved from that.  And everyone's enjoying themselves, except three of you, apparently.

[NEV]

It's basically about .. not proper etiquette to post on a person's sale if you think the prices are high ,so start a thread elsewhere and do pretty much the same .

I think it's an age thing ..

the older we get ,the more miserable we become ...

the older we get ,the more boring we get .

.the older we get ,the less we refuse to take on board new things ...

the older we get ,the less tolerant we become and more irritable ..

The older we get ,the more advice we offer ...

 

  Oh ..if only the younger folk would listen ,they might learn some wisdom from us old Ba**ards

[Steve L]

 

the older we get ,the more miserable we become ...

the older we get ,the more boring we get .

.the older we get ,the less we refuse to take on board new things ...

the older we get ,the less tolerant we become and more irritable ..

The older we get ,the more advice we offer ...

 

  

 

Speak for yourself Nev   

[Premium Stuff]

The original topic is SLIGHTLY EXAGGERATED SALES POSTS, nothing to do with prices.

It's evolved from that. 

 

That would be much more interesting.

 

One example of such a claim you see quite often is Roy Handy - Baby That's A Groove Rare White Demo - but the white demo is the commonly found format, whereas the original styrene green-labelled issue is pretty much shit rare   

 

Cheers

 

Richard

[Markw]

The original topic is SLIGHTLY EXAGGERATED SALES POSTS, nothing to do with prices.

It's evolved from that.  And everyone's enjoying themselves, except three of you, apparently.

I like being grumpy..............almost as much as you do.

[Pete S]

It's basically about .. not proper etiquette to post on a person's sale if you think the prices are high ,so start a thread elsewhere and do pretty much the same .

 

 

 

 

Erm, Nev, I started the topic with "I didn't want to post on his sales topic"so I've started a new topic

Edited November 13, 2013 by Pete S

[Pete S]

I like being grumpy..............almost as much as you do.

 

I am not grumpy, I haven't been grumpy for a good 5 weeks now since I went back on Prozac, I am Mr f*cking Happy 

apart from the fact I had a blood test today and they couldn't find a vein so I've got an arm like a pincushion, and our new dog bit my missus so she spent most of the day in A&E, and Grace won't eat anything...

[KevH]

As a general principal I'd agree regarding the benchmark of JMs prices, and looking at 50% as realistic depending upon grading, but there are some that are undervalued in the guide. I'm going to look at posting a ROJAC (119) black/white promo (Ex) Lavell Hardy - What Kind of Woman for which I'd unashamedly ask £80+ where there's a book price of £40. John doesn't know the scarcity of each and every record and I think this one is difficult, much more than the book price would indicate. However, I grant you it's more usual the other way.

 

And the Lavell Hardy issue, is on another site for £100.I'd ask £150 for the wdj.

[Pete S]

As a general principal I'd agree regarding the benchmark of JMs prices, and looking at 50% as realistic depending upon grading, but there are some that are undervalued in the guide. I'm going to look at posting a ROJAC (119) black/white promo (Ex) Lavell Hardy - What Kind of Woman for which I'd unashamedly ask £80+ where there's a book price of £40. John doesn't know the scarcity of each and every record and I think this one is difficult, much more than the book price would indicate. However, I grant you it's more usual the other way.

 

Dean Courtney MGM issue, was in all previous books at a ridiculous 250 or something like that, it's now 450, I got over £1000 for it what 4 years ago now...still waiting to see another one

[NEV]

Erm, Nev, I started the topic with "I didn't want to post on his sales topic"so I've started a new topic

Ermm yeah , i can say how that would work Pete .. post a topic about a specific sale ,but on a different thread

Edited November 13, 2013 by NEV

[Pete S]

Ermm yeah , i can say how that would work Pete .. post a topic about a specific sale ,but on a different thread

 

oh F*CKING WHATEVER Nev

 

 

 

 

 

normally I'd stomp off an close the topic but nah...

Edited November 13, 2013 by Pete S

[Pete S]

That would be much more interesting.

 

One example of such a claim you see quite often is Roy Handy - Baby That's A Groove Rare White Demo - but the white demo is the commonly found format, whereas the original styrene green-labelled issue is pretty much shit rare   

 

Cheers

 

Richard

 

See I had no idea about that, I'd have sold - and do sell - the green one for hardly anything, £20???  And I'd have wanted £40 for the demo.  

[Premium Stuff]

See I had no idea about that, I'd have sold - and do sell - the green one for hardly anything, £20??? And I'd have wanted £40 for the demo.

The green ones you normally see are mid green label presssed on vinyl - bootlegs The original issue is on styrene with a lighter green stuck on label like the Prophets on Stephanye.

Have the rare green styrene issue but would like a true minter so let me know if you find one Pete.

There are one or two threads on here about this.

Cheers

Richard

Edited November 13, 2013 by Premium Stuff

[Pete S]

The green ones you normally see are mid green label presssed on vinyl. The original issue is on styrene with a lighter green stuck on label like the Prophets on Stephanye.

Have the rare green styrene issue but would like a true minter so let me know if you find one Pete.

There are one or two threads on here about this.

Cheers

Richard

 

Yeah I know those green bootlegs, I was talking about styrene, though maybe I'm getting mixed up with My Kinda Girl or something else

[Premium Stuff]

I'm always open to receiving constructive feedback on any of my sales on here by means of PM by the way - price or any other aspect.

Cheers

Richard