Northern Soul Fist Logo

[Guest steve00]

Just read this on Facebook, bag shop in Manchester trying to get the logo as there,s.

Anybody heard about this or is it bull ?

[Tony A]

Just read this on Facebook, bag shop in Manchester trying to get the logo as there,s.

Anybody heard about this or is it bull ?

 

As there is a what ??????  

No understandy whaty you mean.

[Chalky]

I think he means they are attempting to copyright the logo.

[Peter99]

As there is a what ??????  

No understandy whaty you mean.

 

Peter

[Haydn]

They are all at it nowadays, it comes of no surprise that the money grabbers are securing a trademark for themselves. 

An initial outlay for any trademark will make it yours.

[Markw]

Surely somebody must have tried to do that before? Been used by a lot of commercial operators, not least in recent years - Fred Perry, Ocean Colour Scene and so on. In fact I DJed in Cardiff last night for the Stone Foundation gig and the band have adopted it as their logo.

 

Would have thought that under those circumstances, anybody would find it difficult to trademark as their own? Then again, copyright, trademark law etc is notoriously intricate.

[Peter99]

Here's the only logo i'd give em

 

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

[Guest steve00]

It's the Retro Bag shop in Manchester, they are asking the I.P.O to make the logo there trade mark, which in turn would mean nobody else can use it. Northern Soul Facebook page are trying to stop this, they have to prove the logo has been around for a few years.

Proof goes back to 1973 so far, but the I.P.O need people with proof of this to contact them.

[Guest drewid]

They want fisting

[Premium Stuff]

I heard that someone, who shall remain nameless, 'copyrighted' the word Revilot and litigated against someone else, who shall remain nameless, who used it 

 

Cheers

 

Richard

[Lenny Harkins]

Just read this on Facebook, bag shop in Manchester trying to get the logo as there,s.

Anybody heard about this or is it bull ?[/quote

Here's hoping they get it and keep it!

Lot a shite , too corny far too detached an all... They can have they big f@£kin skirts an all ... Take all that Shite.. Just leave us with the music .

Edited November 3, 2013 by Lenny Harkins

[Guest Byrney]

Ill chip in for the bag shop to buy the rights.... They can have KTF whilst they're at it

[Mark S]

Ill chip in for the bag shop to buy the rights.... They can have KTF whilst they're at it

 

Right on Brother

[Chalky]

I heard that someone, who shall remain nameless, 'copyrighted' the word Revilot and litigated against someone else, who shall remain nameless, who used it 

 

Cheers

 

Richard

 

Don't think they copyrighted the name as such it did they?  They bought the rights to the label.  It's common knowledge isn't it as well?

[Wrongcrowd]

Doesn't copyright require some degree of original design to claim as intellectual property? If so, it hardly fits the bill does it....

 

In any case, I'm with Byrney.....and I'm really looking forward to Trading Standards busting the teapot, mug, birthday card, and various associated crappery sellers.....and also to the fools in Manchester trying to control 'their' copyright...

[Ian Dewhirst]

Doesn't copyright require some degree of original design to claim as intellectual property? If so, it hardly fits the bill does it....

 

In any case, I'm with Byrney.....and I'm really looking forward to Trading Standards busting the teapot, mug, birthday card, and various associated crappery sellers.....and also to the fools in Manchester trying to control 'their' copyright...

 

They'll be on a hiding to nothing in my view. It's very easy to waste several thousand pounds with trademark and copyright specialist lawyers and even once you've done all that, it's still open to interpretation and the whim of the judge on the day. A good way to go bust.

 

Ian D 

[Chalky]

It's the Retro Bag shop in Manchester, they are asking the I.P.O to make the logo there trade mark, which in turn would mean nobody else can use it. Northern Soul Facebook page are trying to stop this, they have to prove the logo has been around for a few years.

Proof goes back to 1973 so far, but the I.P.O need people with proof of this to contact them.

 

A quick google should get them all the proof they need I would have thought.

[Guest Matt Male]

It's the Retro Bag shop in Manchester, they are asking the I.P.O to make the logo there trade mark, which in turn would mean nobody else can use it. Northern Soul Facebook page are trying to stop this, they have to prove the logo has been around for a few years.

Proof goes back to 1973 so far, but the I.P.O need people with proof of this to contact them.

 

I'd have thought even earlier. John Carlos raised his black gloved fist at the olympics in 1968. Various communist parties have used it since 1917 and apparently it was also found on Neolithic cave paintings.

 

Maybe they are copywriting a particular stylised version of the clenched fist?

Edited November 4, 2013 by Matt Male

[Guest in town Mikey]

I work in the same office building as the IPO.

I don't know if it will help, but if someone can give me info on who to contact, I can always arrange to pop over and have a chat.

 

I'm not bothered either way.  But while I am over there, i could pick up a few tips on how to copyright that old sew on badge with a guy on a Vespa, with the word Lambretta on it.

 

[Peter99]

Don't think they copyrighted the name as such it did they?  They bought the rights to the label.  It's common knowledge isn't it as well?

Who is it Chalkmeister?

 

Peter

 

[SHEFFSOUL]

ive looked into copyright before re some of my designs.it can be a nightmare.Unless the persons concerned have radically changed the original design it could prove difficult as they did not create the image.They would also have to copyright each subject, ie T shirts, bags, badges etc and then each country,very expensive with no guarantee as Ian D already mentioned.Personally i think they've a bloody cheek, as for those who dont care , its the principle.The northern soul fist logo has been around a long time..its an icon of the culture and should be preserved as is.The origins are cloudy, and people will use that image.(I painted a huge circled black fist based on the ISC image on the drivers door of my first car back in 1973) but to try to copyright it is seriously over stepping the mark.I'm against the copyright.i suggest a boycott of their product as a warning.

[Chalky]

I would have thought to obtain copyright/trademark the logo would have to be incorporated into some sort of design that identifies the manufacturer rather than the fist alone.  As Cliff says if successful I'd love to see them police it and begin to try and stop everyone who uses the fist in some sort of way.

[Mike Lofthouse]

.i suggest a boycott of their product as a warning.

I would think a boycott will not be much of a sacrifice for most people!

[John Moffatt]

Surely, the black fist image predates any use on the soul scene by a long time. It's use as a symbol of left-wing solidarity is well known. That takes it back to 1917, at least. So, what's all the fuss about? I can't see anyone succeeding in trying to copyright it, but, more importantly, I don't understand why anyone would want to.

[Crumb]

I think Lambretta clothing copyrighted the name but were unable to stop scooter clubs using it on T-shirts etc, providing they had been using it for a certain time.

[Tony A]

I would have thought to obtain copyright/trademark the logo would have to be incorporated into some sort of design that identifies the manufacturer rather than the fist alone.  As Cliff says if successful I'd love to see them police it and begin to try and stop everyone who uses the fist in some sort of way.

 

That'll rule out a lot of poxxy style fliers then.     

[Sooty]

 

SUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEE MEEEE!!!! YEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAA!!!!x

Proudly displaying since 1993!x

 

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...in fact...I made a record box in 1976 whilst in a kids home. I painted it all red and put a silver fist on it. I also wrote Shoana 4 Me in me mad half hour of artistic flair. Unfortunately....I was late in the woods that night and I was 3rd in line...and walked back distraught. I'd run outta red paint....and it stayed on there with me silver fist until I sold the box at a boot sale in '81 with about 30 tunes i;d gathered in the 70's...! I luv'd her I did....for 1 night...10 minutes.....I did!x....................if only i;d have been a few minutes less doing me hair....i;'d have been first....she'd have agreed to marry me and I would have been the dad of many of me mates kids happy forever init!!!x Shoana....where r u now eh?!x I digress...I lay claim to using it since '76....but I ain't Spartacus....she'd have waited for me if I wos....I reckon.....!x

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Edited November 4, 2013 by SOOTY

[pogo paul]

"Northern Soul Fist????"

its the black power symbol, for black power music!

bring on James Coit..............

[Manfromsoul45s]

I think he means they are attempting to copyright the logo.

They can F**kin have it!!!!

[Guest]

They want fisting

[Guest manusf3a]

My first memories were of seeing Tommy Smith and John Carlos giving the raised fist salute in the the 1968 olympic medal ceremony, for days after the image was in newspapers and on the telly,however as someone else has stated the use of the symbol goes back further as a sign of solidarity and power.Cant see anyone getting the copyright on the sign,maybe with something else combined  but for the symbol itself...?

[Maark]

https://www.ipo.gov.uk/tmcase/Results/1/UK00002647323

 

Here ya go.

 

And whatever you think of the logo etc, they have a f*ckin cheek trying to nab it for themselves when they didn't design it.

Edited November 4, 2013 by Maark

[Guest manusf3a]

Here's the only logo i'd give em

 

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Peter

 

 

I reckon Cpl Jones from Dads  Army would also have something for them Pete,As Jonesy would say though I think it could well be something"They dont like UP em they dont",well whether they would or wouldnt I think Jonesy should go ahead with the cold steel anyway,they may well enjoy the finger but I not normaly a betting man would wager that they sure would not like 16inches of jonesys cold steel cure for all?

[macca]

Is their website down after being crashed, hacked and generally stamped on? Brian Poulton of Scarborough cleary felt strongly enough to contest the matter officially. Christ, some people do get their knickers in a twist, do they not?

[Steve S 60]

Is their website down after being crashed, hacked and generally stamped on? Brian Poulton of Scarborough cleary felt strongly enough to contest the matter officially. Christ, some people do get their knickers in a twist, do they not?

 

They can take our vests and our baggy trousers, but they'll never take our fist logo.

[Guest penny]

Wonder if they could be persuaded to go for the mod target while they're at it

Edited November 7, 2013 by penny

[Zed1]

They can take our vests and our baggy trousers,

 

Please!!!....

[Jnixon]

a lawyer recently copyrighted 'carry on and keep calm' with the logo of a crown and has been suing anyone who uses it if they dont buy a license. successfully i might add.

 

so, it s possible, 

[Frankie Crocker]

 

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Ayup Sooty. Is this not the badge of the CUFC Away Supporters' Club? Apparently Oxford supporters wore a similar badge mentioning the word 'Shufflers'... On a more sensible note, do Stax have the copyright of the fist logo or finger-up symbol whatever you want to call it?

[Guest Carl Dixon]

By being a 'tangible' design already, somebody must already own the rights to it. Who was the person or company that came up with it first and can they prove it (if needs be to stop the other shower).

[Sooty]

Ayup Sooty. Is this not the badge of the CUFC Away Supporters' Club? Apparently Oxford supporters wore a similar badge mentioning the word 'Shufflers'... On a more sensible note, do Stax have the copyright of the fist logo or finger-up symbol whatever you want to call it?

 

....CUFC's club and fans logo's are same colour Frankie...Amber & Black....NEVER 'yellllooooooows'.....wot r these young colour blind kids like....I keep asking em??!!!x 

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[Steve Foran]

Back in the 70,s my dad used to make them. Made of cast metal, with a leather bootlace to tie it round your neck. I used to take them to HMV in Bedford and HMV in Manchester. Took a few to WC at the time as well.Dad was trying to set up his own foundry business at the time. Wonder where they are now? 

[Steve S 60]

....CUFC's club and fans logo's are same colour Frankie...Amber & Black....NEVER 'yellllooooooows'.....wot r these young colour blind kids like....I keep asking em??!!!x 

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