Premium Stuff Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 Hi everyone Would be grateful if somebody could please let me have the details for the two legit issues of "Do I Love You" on UK Tamla Motown. Did a forum search but could not find the details. I need the key distinguishing features between the two issues please (not demo). Thank you Richard Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
kevinsoulman Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 (edited) Hi everyone Would be grateful if somebody could please let me have the details for the two legit issues of "Do I Love You" on UK Tamla Motown. Did a forum search but could not find the details. I need the key distinguishing features between the two issues please (not demo). Thank you Richard first version emi solid centre 2nd rca version has a gap round the centre and obviously chris clark on the flip instead of sweeter as the days go by kev Edited November 2, 2013 by kevinsoulman Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 First version is EMI distributed Second is RCA distributed Third has Chris Clark on the flip. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest trickbag Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 1965: Do I Love You (Indeed I Do)/Sweeter As The Days Go By -- Soul 35019 (US). Reissued in 1979 Tamla Motown TMG 1170 (UK), twice more in the 1980s with the same catalogue number, then a version with a different vocal take with the number 9821530 in 2004. you can read the compleate story here Richard. www.frankwilson.co.uk/"Ž ricky. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 I have the first UK release from 1979. I was looking forward to coming out and being able to own it on legit single. The only way to get it before this release was a bootleg credited to Eddie Foster on the IN label. (This was the cover-up title) Mine has the four pronged centre, but is a definite first UK release. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted November 2, 2013 Author Share Posted November 2, 2013 I have the first UK release from 1979. I was looking forward to coming out and being able to own it on legit single. The only way to get it before this release was a bootleg credited to Eddie Foster on the IN label. (This was the cover-up title) Mine has the four pronged centre, but is a definite first UK release. Does it have 1979 on the label or 1965 please Cheers Richard Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest garysoul82 Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 I have just sold a very first issue 1979 demo in the black&white promotional written sleeve and it was dated 1965. I bought it a year after it came out so a big wrench to let it go. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
kevinsoulman Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 emi 1965 rca 1979 kev Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul-slider Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 emi 1965 rca 1979 kev Mmm, my RCA distributed 45 has 1965 on the label....click to enlarge.. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul-slider Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Does it have 1979 on the label or 1965 please Cheers Richard See above post. I bought that around 1980 at an all-dayer in Peterborough Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
TOAD Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 I had five demos @£1 each but only two in the picture sleeves Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 So how much does the EMI sell for and how much the RCA one? Thanks Peter Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
kevinsoulman Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Mmm, my RCA distributed 45 has 1965 on the label....click to enlarge.. frank wilson.jpg YES ITS THE 2ND DIFFERENT MIX RCA ONE THAT HAS 1979 ON IT KEV Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest miff Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 (edited) emi 1965 rca 1979 kevJust had a look at mine, can see no reference to EMI or RCA on it, it's dated 1965 with a 4 prong centre not solid as in the scanned one So that makes it the first issue on EMI, is that right solid or pronged centre makes no odds? Edited November 3, 2013 by miff Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
TOAD Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Rca press has a shiny label Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
kevinsoulman Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Just had a look at mine, can see no reference to EMI or RCA on it, it's dated 1965 with a 4 prong centre not solid as in the scanned one So that makes it the first issue on EMI, is that right solid or pronged centre makes no odds? 4 PRONGED LABEL EMI FIRST ISSUE FROM 1979 I BELIEVE ANY AFTER THAT ARE RCA WHATEVER THEY HAVE GOT ON THEM DATE WISE KEV Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 (edited) Just had a look at mine, can see no reference to EMI or RCA on it, it's dated 1965 with a 4 prong centre not solid as in the scanned one So that makes it the first issue on EMI, is that right solid or pronged centre makes no odds? The reference to EMI is in the small writing around the edge of the label. This blurb starts at around 8 O'Clock with the words "EMI RECORDS LTD. ALL RIGHTS ..." (see photo below) Have now checked mine which I bought c.1979. It's an issue with a 4-pronged centre, the EMI reference as above, a plain black sleeve and the date 1965 on the label. Cheers Richard Click on images to see bigger picture Edited November 3, 2013 by Premium Stuff Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
TOAD Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Sleeve should be the olive one Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 Sleeve should be the olive one it's the sleeve I bought it in mate, brand new from a proper record shop - Ainsley's in Leicester as I recall Richard Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 (edited) Would look better in an olive sleeve though Richard Edited November 3, 2013 by Premium Stuff Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul-slider Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 The RCA distributed one in my picture came in that orange sleeve, that sleeve has refrences on the back about Motown L.Ps available (1979) at that time and RCA distributed at the bottom of it. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Andy Carling Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Bought mine in 1979 with a plain black sleeve.(brand new) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul-slider Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Here's the 3rd(?) UK press (2004?) with alternate take + Chris Clark on the flip.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Supercorsa Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Paid £2 for my RCA distributed copy at Exmouth Scooter Rally 1985. How I got it home without breaking it on my scooter, I've no idea. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
kevinsoulman Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 (edited) https://images.45cat.com/frank-wilson-do-i-love-you-indeed-i-do-motown.jpg THATS ALL 3 IMAGES ON THE THREAD NOW KEV Edited November 3, 2013 by kevinsoulman Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 Thanks folks - I now know there were three and not two legit releases, how to tell them apart, and pleased to say I have the EMI version. Your help is much appreciated Thanks Richard Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
TOAD Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 it's the sleeve I bought it in mate, brand new from a proper record shop - Ainsley's in Leicester as I recall Richard see my first post got all five at the time from Reddingtons rare records Birmingham Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 see my first post got all five at the time from Reddingtons rare records Birmingham Sounds from the above posts like your demos were in the pic sleeves, or in olive sleeves, and the issues were in plain black sleeves then? Richard Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Northern Soul Uk Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Sold my original 1st UK release last month for £61 if you need a value. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
dthedrug Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Hi All...The record has been booted to look like the original in recent times, on VIIP, However the first available BOOT was in 78 using the cover up name of Eddie Foster, the 1st Tamla Motown copy 79, EMI DEMO had picture sleeve, FACTORY SAMPLE, used the same stamper as the DEMO, issues used 5 stampers?.. RCA release was one of the first for the new owners, BOX SET Release has both male & female vocals, (it's a shame that the other 45s have little value to the collector), why the EMI copy fetches big money compared to the others is a mystery to me. DAVE K. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest miff Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 (edited) Hi All...The record has been booted to look like the original in recent times, on VIIP, However the first available BOOT was in 78 using the cover up name of Eddie Foster, the 1st Tamla Motown copy 79, EMI DEMO had picture sleeve, FACTORY SAMPLE, used the same stamper as the DEMO, issues used 5 stampers?.. RCA release was one of the first for the new owners, BOX SET Release has both male & female vocals, (it's a shame that the other 45s have little value to the collector), why the EMI copy fetches big money compared to the others is a mystery to me. DAVE K. Had my EMI copy up for sale on here a couple of weeks ago and not one enquiry, may be selling in the wrong place Edited November 6, 2013 by miff Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Glynthornhill Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Have had the demo for sale for around 10 months now .....Maybe should send it JM 's way to gain a realistic price.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted November 8, 2013 Author Share Posted November 8, 2013 Here's an EMI distributed issue on eBay: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161141273853?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2648 Calling that condition 'Excellent' is shocking Richard 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Glynthornhill Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Maybe it's the force of Soul Source but gone to a good home now sold 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
dthedrug Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 HI ALL....WHY AM I LOOKING AT TMG 1170 TODAY OF ALL DAYS.. Coz I can, and I have found something that I have never noticed before. Having tried to get a picture for you & failing, I will describe for you the MATRIX # at the 3 o clock position A. At the 9 o clock position ; . At the 6 o clock TMG 1170 A1, however on the outer groove underneath TMG 1170, it reads BLAiRS, now that could be I have Tony Blairs original copy, or some other Blair, as people tended to put their name on records years ago, or it could have been done at the pressing plant, similar to the "PORKEYS PRIME CUT" mark, or it could be only on 1st run DEMO 7 factory samples, Not having another to compare it with, can someone inform me if it on their EMI copy .CHEERS DAVE K this shows nothing? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Paul Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 HI ALL....WHY AM I LOOKING AT TMG 1170 TODAY OF ALL DAYS.. Coz I can, and I have found something that I have never noticed before. Having tried to get a picture for you & failing, I will describe for you the MATRIX # at the 3 o clock position A. At the 9 o clock position ; . At the 6 o clock TMG 1170 A1, however on the outer groove underneath TMG 1170, it reads BLAiRS, now that could be I have Tony Blairs original copy, or some other Blair, as people tended to put their name on records years ago, or it could have been done at the pressing plant, similar to the "PORKEYS PRIME CUT" mark, or it could be only on 1st run DEMO 7 factory samples, Not having another to compare it with, can someone inform me if it on their EMI copy .CHEERS DAVE K Hello Dave, "Blairs" will be on all copies, it would have been inscribed on the lacquer master when it was cut by Chris Blair at EMI Abbey Road. He ended up as chief mastering engineer at EMI so you'll see his mark on a lot of records. Another common name on EMI pressings from the mid 1970s was Nick W (Nick Webb) who also worked at the Abbey Road studios. I've had a lot of lacquers cut at EMI Abbey Road since the late 1980s (mostly on DMM copper plates) so one day I'll check some 45s to see if any have names inscribed on them. By the way, Abbey Road didn't just cut lacquers for the EMI pressing plant. I've used various other plants since the EMI factory closed down in the late 1990s but often still used Abbey Road for disc cutting. Paul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
dthedrug Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Hello Dave, "Blairs" will be on all copies, it would have been inscribed on the lacquer master when it was cut by Chris Blair at EMI Abbey Road. He ended up as chief mastering engineer at EMI so you'll see his mark on a lot of records. Another common name on EMI pressings from the mid 1970s was Nick W (Nick Webb) who also worked at the Abbey Road studios. I've had a lot of lacquers cut at EMI Abbey Road since the late 1980s (mostly on DMM copper plates) so one day I'll check some 45s to see if any have names inscribed on them. By the way, Abbey Road didn't just cut lacquers for the EMI pressing plant. I've used various other plants since the EMI factory closed down in the late 1990s but often still used Abbey Road for disc cutting. Paul CHEERS PAUL.. Some times it's well worth asking the question as I did not know that info, the Abbey road acetates apart from EMIDISC were DICK JAMES MUSIC, NORTHERN SONGS, then APPLE took over, I have had REGGAE on APPLE ACITATES so there could well be some rare soul out there on APPLE, I have a few BLANK APPLE LP & 45 LABELS, WHICH COME FROM THE APPLE SHOP, They must be collectable but I don't think I would get much for them maybe £15 the pair A & B sides, I may be wrong, However they are not for sale. CHERS FOR THE INFO. .Dave K Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted January 21, 2014 Author Share Posted January 21, 2014 Hi Dave Mine has it Blairs right underneath the TMG 1170 stamp in the deadwax. It's an EMI issue nor demo. Cheers Richard Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jonko Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Well I know this is a few years later but as this thread is still open I wanted to contribute something. My personal copy what I got when it was realised in 1979 is the emi one but do other folks who bought it then remember the insert that came with it? 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Shufflin Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 yes mine has that too Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Polyvelts Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 I remember it coming out in 1979 at the same time as Barbara Randolph ‘I got a feeling’ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jim G Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 And the uk release was from the stereo masters merged into a mono sound. Motown didn’t have the mono master. Ironically, unless you are rich and can find a copy the only way (I believe) to get a true mono copy is the Eddie foster boot.... please don’t shoot me, just sharing .. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 On 11/3/2013 at 17:57, Soul-Slider said: Mmm, my RCA distributed 45 has 1965 on the label....click to enlarge.. thats actually the 3rd press from around 1983/4 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 https://www.45cat.com/record/tmg1170 you have the demo from 79..obviously and the emi copy from 79 then the rca copy from 82 the last two pics are yet another repromotion from around 84/85 was then issued in 2004 with chris clark on flip then again in 2013 with suspicion on flip Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Gogs Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 JM says that the RCA copy is from 1980 https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/172708-do-i-love-you-indeed-i-do-sweeter-as-the-days-go-by.html Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 9 hours ago, gogs said: JM says that the RCA copy is from 1980 https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/172708-do-i-love-you-indeed-i-do-sweeter-as-the-days-go-by.html impossible as rca did not take over distribution til early 1982 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul-slider Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 10 hours ago, dave pinch said: thats actually the 3rd press from around 1983/4 Here's the flip of the sleeve... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Soul-Slider said: Here's the flip of the sleeve... just looking at the label layout..defo an 84/85 press and not 82...they had shiny labels too Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ric-tic Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Universal did a 1000 legit run for record store day in 2015 too Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, ric-tic said: Universal did a 1000 legit run for record store day in 2015 too just flogged that fer a fiver Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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