Frank Wilson On Uk Tamla Motown

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Hi everyone

 

Would be grateful if somebody could please let me have the details for the two legit issues of "Do I Love You" on UK Tamla Motown.

 

Did a forum search but could not find the details.

 

I need the key distinguishing features between the two issues please (not demo).

 

Thank you   

 

Richard

[kevinsoulman]

Hi everyone

 

Would be grateful if somebody could please let me have the details for the two legit issues of "Do I Love You" on UK Tamla Motown.

 

Did a forum search but could not find the details.

 

I need the key distinguishing features between the two issues please (not demo).

 

Thank you   

 

Richard

first version emi solid centre 2nd rca version has a gap round the centre and obviously chris clark on the flip instead of sweeter as the days go by 

kev

Edited November 2, 2013 by kevinsoulman

[pikeys dog]

First version is EMI distributed

 

Second is RCA distributed

 

Third has Chris Clark on the flip.

[Guest trickbag]

1965: Do I Love You (Indeed I Do)/Sweeter As The Days Go By -- Soul 35019 (US). Reissued in 1979 Tamla Motown TMG 1170 (UK), twice more in the 1980s with the same catalogue number, then a version with a different vocal take with the number 9821530 in 2004.

 

you can read the compleate story here Richard.

www.frankwilson.co.uk/"Ž

 

 

 

 

ricky.

[Guest]

I have the first UK release from 1979.  I was looking forward to coming out and being able to own it on legit single.

The only way to get it before this release was a bootleg credited to Eddie Foster on the IN label. (This was the cover-up title)

 

Mine has the four pronged centre, but is a definite first UK release.

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I have the first UK release from 1979.  I was looking forward to coming out and being able to own it on legit single.

The only way to get it before this release was a bootleg credited to Eddie Foster on the IN label. (This was the cover-up title)

 

Mine has the four pronged centre, but is a definite first UK release.

 

Does it have 1979 on the label or 1965 please 

 

Cheers

 

Richard

[Guest garysoul82]

I have just sold a very first issue 1979 demo in the black&white promotional written sleeve and it was dated 1965.

I bought it a year after it came out so a big wrench to let it go.

[kevinsoulman]

emi  1965

 

rca 1979

 

kev

[Soul-slider]

emi  1965

 

rca 1979

 

kev

Mmm, my RCA distributed 45 has 1965 on the label....click to enlarge..

 

[Soul-slider]

Does it have 1979 on the label or 1965 please 

 

Cheers

 

Richard

See above post. I bought that around 1980 at an all-dayer in Peterborough

[TOAD]

I had five demos @£1 each but only two in the picture sleeves

[Peter99]

So how much does the EMI sell for and how much the RCA one?

 

Thanks

 

Peter

[kevinsoulman]

Mmm, my RCA distributed 45 has 1965 on the label....click to enlarge..

 

frank wilson.jpg

YES ITS THE 2ND DIFFERENT MIX RCA ONE THAT HAS 1979 ON IT 

KEV

[Guest miff]

emi 1965

rca 1979

kev

Just had a look at mine, can see no reference to EMI or RCA on it, it's dated 1965 with a 4 prong centre not solid as in the scanned one

So that makes it the first issue on EMI, is that right solid or pronged centre makes no odds?

Edited November 3, 2013 by miff

[TOAD]

Rca press has a shiny label

[kevinsoulman]

Just had a look at mine, can see no reference to EMI or RCA on it, it's dated 1965 with a 4 prong centre not solid as in the scanned one

So that makes it the first issue on EMI, is that right solid or pronged centre makes no odds?

4 PRONGED LABEL EMI FIRST ISSUE FROM 1979 I BELIEVE ANY AFTER THAT ARE RCA  WHATEVER THEY HAVE GOT ON THEM DATE WISE

KEV

[Premium Stuff]

Just had a look at mine, can see no reference to EMI or RCA on it, it's dated 1965 with a 4 prong centre not solid as in the scanned one

So that makes it the first issue on EMI, is that right solid or pronged centre makes no odds?

 

The reference to EMI is in the small writing around the edge of the label. This blurb starts at around 8 O'Clock with the words "EMI RECORDS LTD. ALL RIGHTS ..." (see photo below)

 

Have now checked mine which I bought c.1979. It's an issue with a 4-pronged centre, the EMI reference as above, a plain black sleeve and the date 1965 on the label.

 

Cheers

 

Richard

 

Click on images to see bigger picture

Edited November 3, 2013 by Premium Stuff

[TOAD]

Sleeve should be the olive one

[Premium Stuff]

Sleeve should be the olive one

 

it's the sleeve I bought it in mate, brand new from a proper record shop - Ainsley's in Leicester as I recall  

 

Richard

[Premium Stuff]

Would look better in an olive sleeve though 

 

Richard

Edited November 3, 2013 by Premium Stuff

[Soul-slider]

The RCA distributed one in my picture came in that orange sleeve, that sleeve has refrences on the back about Motown L.Ps available (1979) at that time and RCA distributed at the bottom of it.

[Guest Andy Carling]

Bought mine in 1979 with a plain black sleeve.(brand new)

[Soul-slider]

Here's the 3rd(?) UK press (2004?) with alternate take + Chris Clark on the flip....

 

[Supercorsa]

Paid £2 for my RCA distributed copy at Exmouth Scooter Rally 1985.  How I got it home without breaking it on my scooter, I've no idea.

[kevinsoulman]

https://images.45cat.com/frank-wilson-do-i-love-you-indeed-i-do-motown.jpg

 

THATS ALL 3 IMAGES ON THE THREAD NOW

KEV

Edited November 3, 2013 by kevinsoulman

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Thanks folks - I now know there were three and not two legit releases, how to tell them apart, and pleased to say I have the EMI version.

 

Your help is much appreciated  

 

 

Thanks

 

Richard

[TOAD]

it's the sleeve I bought it in mate, brand new from a proper record shop - Ainsley's in Leicester as I recall

Richard

see my first post got all five at the time from Reddingtons rare records Birmingham

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see my first post got all five at the time from Reddingtons rare records Birmingham

Sounds from the above posts like your demos were in the pic sleeves, or in olive sleeves, and the issues were in plain black sleeves then?

Richard

[Northern Soul Uk]

Sold my original 1st UK release last month for £61 if you need a value.

[dthedrug]

Hi All...The record has been booted to look like the original in recent times, on VIIP,  However the first available BOOT was in 78 using the cover up name of Eddie Foster, the 1st Tamla Motown copy 79, EMI DEMO had picture sleeve, FACTORY SAMPLE, used the same stamper as the DEMO, issues used 5 stampers?.. RCA release was one of the first for the new owners, BOX SET Release has both male & female vocals, (it's a shame that the other 45s have little value to the collector), why the EMI copy fetches big money compared to the others is a mystery to me.  DAVE K.

[Guest miff]

Hi All...The record has been booted to look like the original in recent times, on VIIP, However the first available BOOT was in 78 using the cover up name of Eddie Foster, the 1st Tamla Motown copy 79, EMI DEMO had picture sleeve, FACTORY SAMPLE, used the same stamper as the DEMO, issues used 5 stampers?.. RCA release was one of the first for the new owners, BOX SET Release has both male & female vocals, (it's a shame that the other 45s have little value to the collector), why the EMI copy fetches big money compared to the others is a mystery to me. DAVE K.

Had my EMI copy up for sale on here a couple of weeks ago and not one enquiry, may be selling in the wrong place

Edited November 6, 2013 by miff

[Glynthornhill]

Have had the demo for sale for around 10 months now  .....Maybe should send it JM 's way to gain a realistic price....

[Premium Stuff]

Here's an EMI distributed issue on eBay:

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161141273853?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2648

 

Calling that condition 'Excellent' is shocking 

 

Richard

 

 

[Glynthornhill]

Maybe it's the force of Soul Source but gone to a good home now sold

[dthedrug]

 HI ALL....WHY AM I LOOKING AT TMG 1170 TODAY OF ALL DAYS.. Coz I can, and I have found something that I have never noticed before.

 

Having tried to get a picture for you & failing, I will describe for you the MATRIX # at the 3 o clock position A. At the 9 o clock position ; .

 

At the 6 o clock  TMG 1170  A1, however on the outer groove underneath TMG 1170, it reads  BLAiRS, now that could be I have Tony Blairs original copy, or some other Blair, as people tended to put their name on records years ago, or it could have been done at the pressing plant, similar to the "PORKEYS PRIME CUT" mark,  or it could be only on 1st run DEMO 7 factory samples,

Not having another to compare it with, can someone inform me if it on their EMI copy .CHEERS DAVE K

this shows nothing?

[Guest Paul]

 HI ALL....WHY AM I LOOKING AT TMG 1170 TODAY OF ALL DAYS.. Coz I can, and I have found something that I have never noticed before.

 

Having tried to get a picture for you & failing, I will describe for you the MATRIX # at the 3 o clock position A. At the 9 o clock position ; .

 

At the 6 o clock  TMG 1170  A1, however on the outer groove underneath TMG 1170, it reads  BLAiRS, now that could be I have Tony Blairs original copy, or some other Blair, as people tended to put their name on records years ago, or it could have been done at the pressing plant, similar to the "PORKEYS PRIME CUT" mark,  or it could be only on 1st run DEMO 7 factory samples,

Not having another to compare it with, can someone inform me if it on their EMI copy .CHEERS DAVE K

 

Hello Dave,

"Blairs" will be on all copies, it would have been inscribed on the lacquer master when it was cut by Chris Blair at EMI Abbey Road. He ended up as chief mastering engineer at EMI so you'll see his mark on a lot of records.

Another common name on EMI pressings from the mid 1970s was Nick W (Nick Webb) who also worked at the Abbey Road studios.

I've had a lot of lacquers cut at EMI Abbey Road since the late 1980s (mostly on DMM copper plates) so one day I'll check some 45s to see if any have names inscribed on them.

 

By the way, Abbey Road didn't just cut lacquers for the EMI pressing plant. I've used various other plants since the EMI factory closed down in the late 1990s but often still used Abbey Road for disc cutting.

 

Paul

[dthedrug]

Hello Dave,

"Blairs" will be on all copies, it would have been inscribed on the lacquer master when it was cut by Chris Blair at EMI Abbey Road. He ended up as chief mastering engineer at EMI so you'll see his mark on a lot of records.

Another common name on EMI pressings from the mid 1970s was Nick W (Nick Webb) who also worked at the Abbey Road studios.

I've had a lot of lacquers cut at EMI Abbey Road since the late 1980s (mostly on DMM copper plates) so one day I'll check some 45s to see if any have names inscribed on them.

 

By the way, Abbey Road didn't just cut lacquers for the EMI pressing plant. I've used various other plants since the EMI factory closed down in the late 1990s but often still used Abbey Road for disc cutting.

 

Paul

CHEERS PAUL.. Some times it's well worth asking the question as I did not know that info, the Abbey road acetates apart from EMIDISC were DICK JAMES MUSIC, NORTHERN SONGS, then APPLE took over,

 

I have had REGGAE on APPLE ACITATES so there could well be some rare soul out there on APPLE, I have a few BLANK APPLE LP & 45 LABELS, WHICH COME FROM THE APPLE SHOP, They must be collectable but I don't think I would get much for them maybe £15 the pair A & B sides, I may be wrong,

However they are not for sale. CHERS FOR THE INFO. .Dave K

[Premium Stuff]

Hi Dave

 

Mine has it   Blairs right underneath the TMG 1170 stamp in the deadwax.

 

It's an EMI issue nor demo.

 

Cheers

 

Richard

[Jonko]

Well I know this is a few years later but as this thread is still open I wanted to contribute something. My personal copy what I got when it was realised in 1979 is the emi one but do other folks who bought it then remember the insert that came with it?

[Guest Shufflin]

yes mine has that too

[Guest Polyvelts]

I remember it coming out in 1979 at the same time as Barbara Randolph ‘I got a feeling’

[Jim G]

And the uk release was from the stereo masters merged into a mono sound. Motown didn’t have the mono master. Ironically, unless you are rich and can find a copy the only way (I believe) to get a true mono copy is the Eddie foster boot.... please don’t shoot me, just sharing ..

[Dave Pinch]

On 11/3/2013 at 17:57, Soul-Slider said:

Mmm, my RCA distributed 45 has 1965 on the label....click to enlarge..

 

thats actually the 3rd press from around 1983/4

[Dave Pinch]

https://www.45cat.com/record/tmg1170

you have the demo from 79..obviously and the emi copy from 79

then the rca copy from 82

the last two pics are yet another repromotion from around 84/85

was then issued in 2004 with chris clark on flip

then again in 2013 with  suspicion on flip

[Guest Gogs]

JM says that the RCA copy is from 1980

https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/172708-do-i-love-you-indeed-i-do-sweeter-as-the-days-go-by.html

[Dave Pinch]

9 hours ago, gogs said:

JM says that the RCA copy is from 1980

https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/172708-do-i-love-you-indeed-i-do-sweeter-as-the-days-go-by.html

impossible as rca did not take over distribution til early 1982

[Soul-slider]

10 hours ago, dave pinch said:

thats actually the 3rd press from around 1983/4

Here's the flip of the sleeve...

[Dave Pinch]

2 hours ago, Soul-Slider said:

Here's the flip of the sleeve...

just looking at the label layout..defo an 84/85 press and not 82...they had shiny labels too

[Ric-tic]

Universal did a 1000 legit run for record store day in 2015 too

[Dave Pinch]

4 minutes ago, ric-tic said:

Universal did a 1000 legit run for record store day in 2015 too

just flogged that fer a fiver