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Ted Massey
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Got to be this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mreitSat9tc

Gogger
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instrumentals have no soul , your having a garaffe , put this in ya pipe and smoke it  .  

Haydn
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Another one that sorted the men from the boys....

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Hand on heart Geese it sounds bloody awful to me and totally soulless. For me soul comes from the voice, the emotion the pain the love etc etc etc

this sounds like a tune that is played along to a silent movie where Charlie chaplain is being chased by the key stone cops which are played by laurel and hardy lol

So no instrumental music is soulful? No jazz or orchestral or instrumental r&b like 'green onions' ...

I think your definition of soul is quite narrow ...

but if frank foster sounds awful to you then were miles apart anyway...

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Good call, on playlists again in past two years but caught at least 3 djs playing the lookalikey pressing thinking no-one would care or notice!

 

The thing with that though, unless you physically took it off the turntable and examined it, I don't think you'd be able to tell, because it's only the thickness of the vinyl that differenciates the original from the pressing.

This has been played as a revival since the vocal was found at the start of the 2000's, it was originally played in 77 at the east coast venues but was reissued befopre it went massive everywhere

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Some instrumental tracks have enough spirit and atmosphere that they can work well without any vocals.

The obvious classics are 'Festival Time', 'All Turned On', 'The Penguin Breakdown', etc.

 

Because of my age, I'd heard 'Festival Time' before I heard Laura Lee's 'To Win Your Heart' and I remember how it was known as 'Festival Time With Words' at my local youth centre for a while!

And I still love the Mirwood instrumental mixdowns which Soussan came up with, especially 'I'm Satisfied With You' and 'The Same Old Thing' - even though I prefer the vocal versions.  It doesn't have to be a choice.

 

The Mirwood instrumental of 'My Little Girl' is another obvious example.

 

Having said that, I remember thinking it was a shame in the mid 1970s when some DJs played the instrumental versions of 'I Need You' (Diane Jenkins) and 'I Don't Know What Foot To Dance On' (Kim Tolliver) because the vocal version were so strong.

 

One of my favourite instrumentals is a dead slow ballad: the Booker T & The MGs version of 'When Something Is Wrong With My Baby' which had been unissued for many years.  The musicianship and the guitar tones are excellent.

 

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The thing with that though, unless you physically took it off the turntable and examined it, I don't think you'd be able to tell, because it's only the thickness of the vinyl that differenciates the original from the pressing.

This has been played as a revival since the vocal was found at the start of the 2000's, it was originally played in 77 at the east coast venues but was reissued befopre it went massive everywhere

 

I knew by the nervous look they gave me as I approached  :g:  :huh:  :shhh:  :wicked:  :lol:

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Some instrumental tracks have enough spirit and atmosphere that they can work well without any vocals.

The obvious classics are 'Festival Time', 'All Turned On', 'The Penguin Breakdown', etc.

 

Because of my age, I'd heard 'Festival Time' before I heard Laura Lee's 'To Win Your Heart' and I remember how it was known as 'Festival Time With Words' at my local youth centre for a while!

And I still love the Mirwood instrumental mixdowns which Soussan came up with, especially 'I'm Satisfied With You' and 'The Same Old Thing' - even though I prefer the vocal versions.  It doesn't have to be a choice.

 

The Mirwood instrumental of 'My Little Girl' is another obvious example.

 

Having said that, I remember thinking it was a shame in the mid 1970s when some DJs played the instrumental versions of 'I Need You' (Diane Jenkins) and 'I Don't Know What Foot To Dance On' (Kim Tolliver) because the vocal version were so strong.

 

One of my favourite instrumentals is a dead slow ballad: the Booker T & The MGs version of 'When Something Is Wrong With My Baby' which had been unissued for many years.  The musicianship and the guitar tones are excellent.

 

Paul

 

Those Mirwood instrumentals are utterly, utterly brilliant and in several cases it's very hard to say the vocal is better than the instrumental and vice versa, I'd add Cigarette Ashes and Don't Pretend to your three above.

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Popcorn Wylie,   :thumbsup:

 

 

Listen to the drummer on this record, he is the same drummer who plays on Hanky Panky, Get It Baby, Sister Lee and countless others, he is also the drummer that plays on that acetate I had "The Tingle", that drumroll is his signature, I was told that this was Funk Brother Uriel Jones, can anyone confirm this?  My favourite drummer!

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For you keeno's out there who know better...I said Hawaiii five o by the Champs...it ain't it is by Chiquita...but the Champ boys Tubular Bells is a good instru too!x I also said me mam had a Shanana album and The Shadows....which she did...but I meant to say The Ventures...guitar instru folk from the States!!x All good influences tho'!x

 

I've just scooted thru me instru's as they needed cleaning/dusting!! I found these few 'odds and sods' which I felt could have hit Wigan at it's heights.....if 'unknown' or not commercialised' or on telly as a theme elsewhere! Altho' at it's end I understood anything went really? Joe 90 I luv'd...and still doo!!!x

Here's a good instru I like to hear anytime....by The Gallants...a rarer version......and a 'dancer' if ever there was one...!!!x

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LRq7pJ101E

 

Lalo Schifrin's 'Jaws' I just thumbed past too as a 'Northern' shuffler that graced many a Youth Club I recall!!! Mason Williams...Classical Gas I was told has been spun in the scene's time too!!x But here is me pick of my bunch...found at a boot sale for £2...with 4 other instru's...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O541DrQPf68

...this was the 2nd...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os9mKBoNxtk

 

...and the 3rd was this....a MINT DEMO on British RCA Victor...Neal Hefti's 'original'...!....and was I excited that day.....ABSOLUTELY!!!x 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvJ3L8VXhg4

 

...and the 4th....this version...on Warner Bros Demo.....all for under £10........WOOOOHOOOOO!!!x

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChJDm57SAUc

 

I have Link Wrays version too...on US....for comparison!!x There Gogs...the more the better you say!!!ehehe!x

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE9Q9evNMes

 

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One of my favourite instrumentals is a dead slow ballad: the Booker T & The MGs version of 'When Something Is Wrong With My Baby' which had been unissued for many years.  The musicianship and the guitar tones are excellent.

 

Paul

 

That's a fantastic track Paul. I've got it on a budget CD " Booker T plays the Hip Hits " or something. Cropper rings out 4 identical Minor 7 chords at the end of the verses which raise the hairs on the back of your neck. The long version of Time Is Tight with the slow intro does the same for me.

 

I saw Steve Cropper live at Dingwalls a few years back and was slightly disappointed he wasn't using a Telecaster responsible for those great guitar tones you mentioned. Still a great gig though. 

 

Edit Just checked - those chords are  Ed min 9ths  :thumbup:

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instrumentals have no soul , your having a garaffe , put this in ya pipe and smoke it  :thumbsup: .

 

 

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Played this the odd time out at various night's & it just didn't sound right & I wondered why?The I played at Riley Smith's Hall.........bang sounded just like it used to & I had my answer..............it needs a big hall with high ceilings so it can rattle about & create that unique atmosphere only Jr can.

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Bearsy, you'll be telling us you don't like 'Ton Of Dynamite' next :)

Ok so there is the odd one I like lol

Ok in general I think 99% on them are boring and soulless :-)

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So no instrumental music is soulful? No jazz or orchestral or instrumental r&b like 'green onions' ...

I think your definition of soul is quite narrow ...

but if frank foster sounds awful to you then were miles apart anyway...

And I think your assumption of me is quite shallow :-)

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When they are great they are really great imho. Voicemasters acetate, Kinettes, Exus Trek...the Detroit one that used to be played at the Capitol. Amazing records. The idea that a record has to have lyrics to be soulful suggests a misunderstanding of the music.

What do you think I'm misunderstanding then Joel ? I have been racking my brains to think of more than 1 instrumental that I get/like so if I don't get them that means I don't understand Soul Music, is that what your saying ?

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instrumentals have no soul , your having a garaffe , put this in ya pipe and smoke it  :thumbsup: .

 

I could of sworn I heard vocals in there lol. But yes this is soulful to me ;-)

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Bearsy ,I think you might be coming a tad unstuck on this one   :rofl:

 

Bazza   :hatsoff2:

I'm all up for being educated Bazza but I don't get what you mean about coming unstuck, if I don't get or feel instrumentals I simply don't I can't help that,

I asked a simple question on what others think on Instrumentals as I know they was a big part of the scene back in the day,

Lots of soulies don't get RnB, crossover, modern, funky soul etc etc etc. does that make them narrow minded and have a misunderstanding of the scene or does it ??

It's not about me its about what others like or don't but hey I'm enjoying this thread and I have listened to about half of what's been posted so far and intend to listen to them all.

May I add that some of those I have listened to I have enjoyed but probably wouldn't want to hear them out lol

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I'm all up for being educated Bazza but I don't get what you mean about coming unstuck, if I don't get or feel instrumentals I simply don't I can't help that,

I asked a simple question on what others think on Instrumentals as I know they was a big part of the scene back in the day,

Lots of soulies don't get RnB, crossover, modern, funky soul etc etc etc. does that make them narrow minded and have a misunderstanding of the scene or does it ??

It's not about me its about what others like or don't but hey I'm enjoying this thread and I have listened to about half of what's been posted so far and intend to listen to them all.

May I add that some of those I have listened to I have enjoyed but probably wouldn't want to hear them out lol

Bearsy , I'm not putting you down ,if you don't get em ,then you don't get em ,I hear emotion in instrumentals ,some do some don't, some are just pure dance records and have very little soul ,others to me are pure soul  :yes:

 

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And I think your assumption of me is quite shallow :-)

It's not an assumption, you have told us straight that you think soul can only be expressed by singing, I think that that is a too narrow view. Apart from this, you're talking in the context of a dancing scene, where the instrumentation is every bit as important as the vocal, as it is the part that you actually dance to. You're allowed your somewhat eccentric opinion but I cant disagree is that it?

Some people define soul more or less as black people singing but nothing is as simple as that. Some soul music has not much soul, some non soul music has soul, if you think an instrument cant express soul,, then I agree with joel, it might indicate a limited general understanding of music.

It's a truism with music that people who dont particularly like music tend to focus more on vocal, particularly lyrical content.

The point of soul, what makes it so incredible for me at least, is that it can be expressed in all manner of meaningless grunts, screams or what could often, on paper, seem like fairly banal lyrics, or indeed by an instrument. It is nice but not really necessary to actually articulate what the artist is feeling, we feel it through the expression. I guess if that process happens successfully, we call it soulful.

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I've always like instrumentals, well some of them . This always reminds me of the mid-80s

 

 

Along with  Michigan Move and alternate Back Street.

brilliant track, on the kool kat label, had it about 2 years but never played it out yet, i really should dig into the back of me record box.

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Mirwood (Soussan) instros in the main are very good but for me the best is "oh my darlin" it absolutely thumps along with a bass line to get anybody's feet jumping.

Tops at the min though is bird walkin' its a different class - and if anybody has an orig for sale then pm me. Actually its a very easy one to spot if original or not.

One of my favorites ever though is the Matta Baba and one you don't hear enough if ever these days.

Dazz

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It's not an assumption, you have told us straight that you think soul can only be expressed by singing, I think that that is a too narrow view. Apart from this, you're talking in the context of a dancing scene, where the instrumentation is every bit as important as the vocal, as it is the part that you actually dance to. You're allowed your somewhat eccentric opinion but I cant disagree is that it?

Some people define soul more or less as black people singing but nothing is as simple as that. Some soul music has not much soul, some non soul music has soul, if you think an instrument cant express soul,, then I agree with joel, it might indicate a limited general understanding of music.

It's a truism with music that people who dont particularly like music tend to focus more on vocal, particularly lyrical content.

The point of soul, what makes it so incredible for me at least, is that it can be expressed in all manner of meaningless grunts, screams or what could often, on paper, seem like fairly banal lyrics, or indeed by an instrument. It is nice but not really necessary to actually articulate what the artist is feeling, we feel it through the expression. I guess if that process happens successfully, we call it soulful.

Nice post and I agree with you apart from the obvious bit lol..

Anyone that knows me knows that to me sometimes a tune may have week vocals but great instruments and some have week instruments and great vocals and then you have them tunes where both come together in perfect harmony which to me makes all these tunes we collectively love so special, sadly I just don't get instrumentals as a whole, maybe part if not all the reason for that is that I was not there back in the day when they was a big part of the scene and that's something I can't change, I have a very wide taste in all things soulful and there are some tracks that have vocal/insteumental versions and I always prefer the vocal side.

I have listened to a good few of the tracks posted and can honestly say only 1 sounds soulful to me and that had harmonies and very faint vocals in it lol. That's not a narrowed view that's an honest view and just cos to me vocals make a tune soulful it makes me neither right or wrong, actually it does, to me I'm right but to you and others I'm wrong lol.

I have given up on saying "all that's missing on this track is some vocals" lol

I'm off to listen to some more instrumentals :-)

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Bearsy , I'm not putting you down ,if you don't get em ,then you don't get em ,I hear emotion in instrumentals ,some do some don't, some are just pure dance records and have very little soul ,others to me are pure soul  :yes:

 

Bazza   :hatsoff2:

And it's the pure soul ones I would love to hear Bazza cos nigh on all the dance ones so far bore me shitless lolol

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The thing with that though, unless you physically took it off the turntable and examined it, I don't think you'd be able to tell, because it's only the thickness of the vinyl that differenciates the original from the pressing.

This has been played as a revival since the vocal was found at the start of the 2000's, it was originally played in 77 at the east coast venues but was reissued befopre it went massive everywhere

no Pete there is another major difference the printing on the boot is level both sides on the original the writing on the left hand side is lower. if you look at Mannys edition 5 there are 2 photos unfortunately there's a mistake in that the original is listed as the boot but it clearly shows the difference

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Tops at the min though is bird walkin' its a different class - and if anybody has an orig for sale then pm me. Actually its a very easy one to spot if original or not.

 

 

I'm afraid I have to disagree with this Daz, it's a bastard to tell if you don't know, one of the ten hardest

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This is the reason I started this thread Ted it is on your CD and I have to skip it cos after 1 play it bores the shit out of me lolol.

It filled the floor at the Uni and probably everywhere else too but just not for me ;-)

that's the last time you get a cd out of me you miserable bleeder :lol:

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that's the last time you get a cd out of me you miserable bleeder :lol:

Problem is Ted all the other tunes (vocals) are so bloody good I can't wait to hear them again :-) ain't took it out the CD player yet its that friggin good ;-)

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Some instrumental tracks have enough spirit and atmosphere that they can work well without any vocals.

The obvious classics are 'Festival Time', 'All Turned On', 'The Penguin Breakdown', etc.

 

Because of my age, I'd heard 'Festival Time' before I heard Laura Lee's 'To Win Your Heart' and I remember how it was known as 'Festival Time With Words' at my local youth centre for a while!

And I still love the Mirwood instrumental mixdowns which Soussan came up with, especially 'I'm Satisfied With You' and 'The Same Old Thing' - even though I prefer the vocal versions.  It doesn't have to be a choice.

 

The Mirwood instrumental of 'My Little Girl' is another obvious example.

 

Having said that, I remember thinking it was a shame in the mid 1970s when some DJs played the instrumental versions of 'I Need You' (Diane Jenkins) and 'I Don't Know What Foot To Dance On' (Kim Tolliver) because the vocal version were so strong.

 

One of my favourite instrumentals is a dead slow ballad: the Booker T & The MGs version of 'When Something Is Wrong With My Baby' which had been unissued for many years.  The musicianship and the guitar tones are excellent.

 

Paul

 

Somehow I forgot to add one of my favourite instrumental of all time... 'Ooh Pretty Lady!' by the Al Kent Orchestra.

 

It's amazing how such a "simple" track can be so infectious.

All budding guitarists and drummers should study it.

 

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What about Soul Sam's latest purchase from Soul Bowl the unissued instrumental to James Bounty's "Prove Yourself A Lady" as spun at Lifeline on Saturday :thumbsup:

Not just the straight backing track but slightly faster  take with extra horns :yes:

Dave

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