Northern Soul - Rare Soul

[Russ Vickers]

I must say I have a romantic notion that we aint seen the last of NS or whatever we're gonna call it, as a proper scene...I have a feeling in my

water  ....if it follows the script we'll be back to an underground scene at some point, the nostalgia scene will implode, they'll all bugger off again & we can just do what we have always done, dance to great soulful music all night, I hear all the comments on here about no new NS records etc, its true to some extent, however we've heard it all before many, many years ago & the aftermath of the Casino etc, bought about one of the most progressive & inventive periods the scene has ever known....I'm counting on it, but in the mean time there's enough going on to keep me entertained with the kinda soul I like... 

 

Russ

[Little-stevie]

The trick is to go about your plan in a quiet way Sooty,  get your team/ venue in place and then go pow!....

 

A premature ejaculation will alert those  that would wish you to fall on your arse.......

 

As i said in another thread.... Less is more....

 

 

Just a thought....

[macca]

The trick is to go about your plan in a quiet way Sooty,  get your team/ venue in place and then go pow!....

 

A premature ejaculation will alert those  that would wish you to fall on your arse.......

 

As i said in another thread.... Less is more....

 

 

Just a thought....

A fabulous phrase Stevie! I'm going to use it in Spanish, though they'll wonder what the f*** I'm on about, evidently...

[Sean Hampsey]

Philately will get you nowhere 

The true collectors come out of the woodwork.

 

[Sooty]

I have found an hour this morning whilst i'm busy and supposed to be 'internet free' for the week-end to respond to your comments which I thank you all for...X The thread has dried up and appears waiting for my input/answers....so...here they are!x Before I do that...some 'perspective' for all you reading this now! How looongggg is it??? This 'conversation' in this entire thread we could have achieved during standing at the bar waiting to be served...casually. I've just read it all again to familiarise meself with every word said...it took 6 minutes...reading. Apporoximatley 1 minutes max of 'chat' between us all. Why haven't you all solved the worlds problems during a 10 hour All Nighter??? In 40 years??? The world don't get put to rights at functions....does it? You want surface chat??? Go to Facebook or chew ure mates head off at a doo and remain engaged in the periphery of life. You want to read my stuff? Read it...in a forum for such things...where 'debate' and considered comment prevail....not 1 liners and lols. The idea is to 'interact'...respond/ponder/discuss....or consider what's said. It ain't about 'me'....it's about what YOU think about what I said. So don't moan about how much there is to read or owt...just....DON'T READ IT...simples....BYE!!!x

If you can't spare a minute of your leisure time.....to read folks comments.....then I ain't interested in your negative approach to mine!x So...'context'...it's been talked about in here. Reading this so far has took 15 seconds. My way of speaking is 'unique' across the Electronic Highway since 1985. I have a following....many have joined here from around the UK of various interest groups. Often I elaborate for their education and stimulation....we have a 'history' together. My posts are considered 'Sootification' by them. If i spoke the Queeens own....then Latin would be my choice...how quintessential do we all wish to aspire too? Having said that....i'll cut it down where pert...ok!x

This post though is answering several individual comments made in this thread above and waiting a reply. Therefore...they would be several seperate paragraphed posts if i hadn't been away from the net for the week-end. But they are here in 1.....grab a cuppa....and ponder....X U screamers as Len calls u....take some deep breaths and make ready for a big girrrrlllieeee one.......u'll lurve it...!!!x

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mark S-"Sooty why on earth would you invite music industry folk or cutting edge people as you call them  they dont need educating they dont get it they never have and never will"

 

Folks....somebody has'got it' and ensured over the past 20/30 years that Northern has had 'exposure' in the Media. From cat food...'You've Been Away'...to the KFC 'Soul Food' campaign. Currently...Richard Berry's Have Love Will Travel tune has featured for 4 years on daily telly. Mel Torme...the same. TV programmes galore feature Northern in their backing/links/synching. This is also 'the music industry'at work. Another angle? Amy Winehouse...Plan B...Adele...Rhianna....Duffy....Dizzy.....ALL NORTHERN fans. As is Norman Cook and many other folk going back the past 20/30 years who have hit 'the front' of the music industry tune wise. You can hear it in their sounds. I deal with the 'reality' out there and it's a million miles away from the 'they don't care' rhetoric Mark! This is the reality for all...on a 'grand scale'.... the group effort of those who have engaged with that industry over the years achieved the biggest exposure for Northern it could ever have achieved...on the Worlds greatest stage!!! 26 MILLION poeople in the UK heard 'Northern' influenced music as the final note at London 2012...which resonated GLOBALLY. Who could have imagined that? Not 1 Sliced Tomato thrown either. Be PROOOOOOOUD!!!x

 

 

But your both right Mark/Chalky....i've worked with these folk for over 20 years around the World in different capacity's....and they are clueless 'music wise'...but they can be educated and made to care! Like I was in 1975...and again in 1993....and yet again in 2013....like re-hab init!!!hehe!x It is never too late to learn folks!!x It takes an Ian Levine...a Kev Roberts...a Tim Brown...Richard Searling...Ady Croasdell and the like....to make it happen. They have....XXXXX I can 'assist' in me own way. National exposure....benefits us all....I believe. Not business for me....a pleasure!x Rather than go convince 'em on stuff.....i'll let the music do the talking. As a fantastic salesman...it's a dream job!! I believe in the product....and let it speak for itself.....I'm confident in that....and have been since first hearing Northern in 1975. I know when to shut up. When they turn to me sweating....euophoric...I will just smile...give em a hug.....and job done. Just like I did with hundreds who turned to the scene in the 90's. They 'got it'....just like you all did in the 70's. Everyone can be assimilated as a Soulie...RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.....unless new membership closed back in the 70's? If so....then we'll start a new 'club'...like I did in the 90's....no problem!x Next?

 

 

Who are they and why the 100Club you ask? They are Media friends based in London...and 4 others are coming down for the week-end from Manchester....BBC connected folk....all friends....mid 20's-30's. These age groups run ure telly. So they  are joining us for a 'Night Out'. The Northerners don't even know they is going.....as said...an 'education'....and they'll pass the exam...i'm sure. We've inspired them already with other tunes. Music wise??? I'd take them to ANY NORTHERN VENUE in the UK. I enjoy the occasion...simple as.The Company I keep...ain't invited if they can't do simply that. It ain't a 'music' decision. It's a logistical one. Having said that....when I take anyone to Keele/Kings Hall or other 'mass' supported gigs.....then the deal will be the same. Enjoy....or eff off. Ain't got time for bo**ox!!!x I treat Hard Core Soulies the same. My space....my choice....they filled it with enthusiasm throughout the 90's...with interspersion of Len's midtempo.....!...X I could equally justify my choice of the 100Club because of it's promoter. He was one of the most approachable/amicable and 'hands on' promoters I met in the 90's....and that...I enjoy the Company of and will support anyday. Ady can also play the rarest next to the poppiest. Mick Smith playing 'good' Pop??? He learnt it from Ady.....humble folk indeed...my type...X He was my friend back when I was hacking it...and nothing has changed that during my sabbatical. I look forward to shaking his hand and having a hug to thank him for my memory's and his 'support' of our excitement back then. I choose me Company....Ady will do...anytime...X

 

 

 

Ted Massey suggests..."don't you get it its all about Me".

Jokes are one thing Ted...but you don't know me...I don't recall we met as such but we may have shared Winsford/Congleton/Bretby...etc...can't remember...u know wot it's like!!x But...I knew of you...from early days entering the scene. Not via the net...or ure tunes....but through other folk....who praised your DJing input through the time. You...Ted Massey....was in this list in my head of 'Legends' out there. Cambridge folk and surrounds all spoke well of you mate. I know nowt else.....until joining this site!!! I look forward to finding out why you earnt that reputation which I was left with. Speak to folk who know mine Ted....who were 'there'. Lenny's level headed....sort of!!x I haven't accused you of using your 'me status' and 1 liners to give it 'large' cos of who u are....and don;t think your of that ilk Ted.....so....let's be more judgemental on facts...not thru a 'virtual' world in here aye?!x

The truth mate? I'm a Legend out there irrelevant of the Soul Scene. I don't need that status/attention in here or on the scene Ted....never did back in the 90's!!x Granted....I get it naturally. Like you....put ure head above the DJ deck and u get noticed...init!x I had me...and was happy with that before entering the scene!x Still have!!x YOU...have that 'status' on the scene...as far as i'm concerned...it's YOU that counts to me more than me in here Ted....don't fu** my beleif or excitment in that...please....?!....i;ve nurtured it for 20+ years! I won't write u off on 20+ seconds of comment...ok!x

 

 

Len brings some perspective...with midtempo musings...!x

"Sooty is a f*ckin’ good salesman / businessman - I love it when he says his soul nights were a sell out every month, and the All-nighters had 1000 people! (They were very busy mind)……This (as you called it Chalky) ‘bravado’ works with some people (the masses) I have never met anyone like Sooty before ref his ‘selling’ - he tackles it with an ‘American Selling’ approach, and gets results."

 

I have earnt that appraisal Len...not based on friendship...or loyalty....but thru hard graft and miles put in that you witnessed....X Thanx Soulmate....it's nice to be 'recognised' fairly for my effort and commitment...X I will tho' offer this Len.....the 'american' approach?? Dynamic...yep....but.... me best sales assets? Holding a hand out and saying hello. Listening to folk from all camps. Communicating with them regular. Generating 'togetherness'. The biggest complaint I heard consistently was that the 'personal touch'...from Promoters...and DJ's....and big venues had gone. Everybody used to run in the doors back in the day.....and all were 'one'...instantly. That...is what my approach offered. The folk came for it in droves. That weren't any 'american' influence or approach....it was a 'human' one Len...being a 'Soulie'....and share good music....together. My biggests surprise was how many had forgotten that simple thing....just being a Soulie!x That's what they were in the 70's. It's Americans who have took some Soulies focus away from that!!!!! How many records/labels have Soulies been influenced to buy/spin and talk about...rather than enjoy/dance too or appreciate it's merit as a TUNE!!!??? How many of these labels/singers are American????!!!!! My approach was British....without the yaaa....and with no detail on these Americans....except whether the groove sounded good or not for dancing....and sharing...together!!!x 

 

 

Quinvy quotes....

"Just following on from what Chalky has said. Many have come back and tried to pick up where they had left off. It will never happen."

 

I ain't coming back to where I left off Quinvy...X That's done and finished!! It was a 'chapter' in a book of the endeavours the scene has witnessed and recorded!!!x I carried 'responsibility's' back then too which are no longer considerations. It was heavy sh*te to smile all week-end and then be sad....each week....for certainly 6 of those 9 years! Was that like Wigan?? Waiting for the week-end.....? I certainly relived my lost youth init!!x This time.....i'm FREEEEEEEE!!!!! Mentally...emotionally...and financially...to concern meself with any peripheries anymore!x New start....for me!x

 

"You can't recreate the past. The ethos was always listen to this, it's fantastic, and you can't hear it anywhere else. er not anymore. They don't make 60's records anymore, and we've heard all the northern. Don't get me wrong, if you could find some unknown 60's northern, people would come. In fact I think that's how Ady keeps going at the 100 club because he keeps unearthing gems. Well that and the mystique of the hallowed venue."

 

Not looking to re-create the past mate...but to help shape the future. Through Rare....undiscovered gems....??? I leave that to those who know better and are keener collectors than me Quinvy....and respect and admire them for it...and will happily dance to thieir tunes I will never have!X

I am forever...a willing student. But DJing....with good music? I'll follow anybody.....IN THE WORLD. Such is my confidence in the music I have gathered. 20 records you all fret over in here from a DJ perspective!! I'm used to doing 10 hour 'sessions' alone...which means I got to keep em going with over 200 tunes hand picked and keep the floor......non stop. I can do it with ANY of YOUR boxes too at any gig in this Country. I need 30 bits of Vinyl from the Northern Scene.....END OF.

Len sez it...."at least he’s not trying to tell folk (or believing himself) that he is, or ever was a ‘Top’ D.J……It was funny as hell to see Sooty ‘bounce around’ the Soul Scene - some people really couldn’t handle his ‘bold’ approach - It was against the rules!"

...and many established folks ego's Len. Understandable. But....how do you 'hold back' when ure up there???!!! Never have been able too. I didn't the other week at the dayer!! The best compliment came from another competent DJ who said 'you really put it out there don't you'? YES.....I don't give a sh*t if u dance or not when doing a Northern spot...never have....i'm dancing and singing behind the decks....I look up...and the floors full.....your welcome!!x Derek Allen was my hero! (RIP...X) The other week....I played Everybody's Going To The Love In...LOOUUUUD. I used to do a back flip  on me bed and bounce up and do a forward one during the piano breaks when I was 15. I started to hear whistle's and stuff.....in me bedroom?? Then looked up...and remembered I was DJing at a gig.....to a rammed floor who wos showing their appreciation. Eutopia....or wot? 38 years in the making. That...is the only time it's about 'me'....when i'm sharing my love...for OUR music... I can't have that approach to a Disco....!!! Bouncing along in the Northern scene...yep...with me eyes closed yawning.....but enjoying more of every second of that 1 hour than I do all 10 hours of a disco!!!x So...just a DJ....nowt special...but competent and confident...and am happy with that...as always!!x Folk never came to my gigs for my records...naaaa....just to share in the joy! They did again t'other week from far and wide when i did me 1st spot after 13 years....nowts changed...and neither has my approach to music and it's pleasures...!x

 

"However, when I went to the 100 club a few years ago, I was very disappointed. I even went for a second look, just in case I had gone on a bad night. But no, absolutely nothing going for it except the social aspect. Sorry if that offends anyone, but I'm entitled to my own opinion, and to me it doesn't deserve it's reputation anymore."

 

I felt the same at me last A/N Kings Hall in 2003 when I made me film Quinvy. But will go again...!x As an ex Promoter/DJ...I will do a write up of EVERY place I go to from now on...and put it in here....i'd enjoy sharing that!x So...100 Club first...and we'll compare notes friend!!!x

 

Gordon Russell sez....gobsmackingly..."Because it's always been a bussiness venture to sooty nothing more nothing less......"

OMG OMGG OMYYYYG....Gordon!!!!....if it was 'business'....I'd have your a** mate BIG TIME!x Your statement is perhaps the most liabellous untruth construed by any Soulie i've heard an opinion from in 20+ years Gordon....well done!!!x Hang on....stands up...adjusts wig...."I demand that remark be stricken from the record M'laud....complete conjecture with no foundation or substance....an atrocious attempt to undermine my clients untarnished reputation and unblemished contributions in this scene.....MIIISSSTRIIIIALLLLL....case dismissed.....brunch anyone?!!" Good job you put a disclaimer on it that you don't know me Gordon!!! It's your saving grace mate!x Precisely....you don't...obviously!x Those who do...will be waiting to read this response....honest!!x NEVER business for me Gordon...the Soul Scene....EVER. Still isn't, But it doesn't mean I have to leave me brains and experience behind whilst enjoying meself or assisting in promoting the scene...does it? I did leave me savvy behind often in the 90's tho'...when pricing the cheapest A/N tickets in the land....paying for QUALITY sound Equipment as  essential...giving Tapes/Badges etc away....the numerous Minibus petrol/hire shortfalls I made up...oh...and £20 for the oranges at each function for all......and a real smart move...getting £40 for Djing which cost me often £150 to do?!!..nobody could consider me a sensible businessman back then Gordon! Honest!!!x I refuse to have that period against my excellent Business Track record i've earned entered into the record....I wos an utter failure as a 'business man'...!!x

 

 

 

"like a lot of others when it didn,t work  he left...".

!!!!!!!!!.....gulp...I left...when it was FULL OOOON Gordon!!! Wot u like...???!...a never ending tirade of outright abuse of my history and truth  you spout forth Sir!!!!!hehe!x It didn't work any longer mate...because I stopped working it....end of. I couldn't keep returning back home to a warm bed after an A/N that I hadn't slept in the night before. It weren't the 3 bears making it cosy either. Sh* t happens. But it was a positive for me. I 'quit' to focus on resolving my failed/doomed marriage and be there for my kids for their last few school years. From 2000-2005 I made my sacrifices there. When the kids had left and gone to college...I said it is over and I am leaving...first time in 28 years i'd ever said it! She wanted to leave each month....but never did!!!hehe!x  Nowt to do with 'failure' on the scene. If anything...the success of my involvement with the scene hastened the inescapable ending of our marriage which I should never have begun....28 years earlier. So...we all have a price to pay Gordon...for success...and failure. I paid for mine in the right ways...as far as this scene is concerned... I failed you all...yep...and left. But...succeeded on putting right a wrong that I had not dealt with for 28 years since aged 18. So...given 'the facts' Gordon....I don't look for an apology or fee or your record collection cashed in for slander and deformation of me person and such....but I don't expect to be come at with these casual remarks again mate....based on...???....not knowing me??!!!x That's not business like...or friendly....but forgiveable...this time!x (Take his name off the 'easy touch' list T....fank u!x She's the Lady that looks after me ar*e out here in virtual world...she's 'real' tho'!!x) Bu**er....i'd like to have acquired your tunes too Gordon.....sigh......too kind I am....always been me downfall.....X

 

Steve G 'chips' in with..."Just looking at the Sooty selections On the flyer, is an immediate turn off "I walked away" says it all!.....No thanks would rather spend an evening watching Miranda :lol:"

 

...erm.....read the flyer again Steve G!"!x It was an 'in' thing among us all....I spoke through labels....as well as music!x Here's the first 1. Not a record shown...but there they are....in print. 

 

That followed throughout any promotional flyer....read your one again....

 

 

...of Hopes...to fill The Maltings...Dreams fullfilled...300/350/420...and Tombstones...it's finished....ended...kaput...all future dates cancelled. "BYE BYE BABY...I'LL NEVER FORGET YOU...I WALKED AWAY...WHAT CAN I DO....? Turn the flyer over....

 

 

RUN FOR COVER...!!! Northern Soul At St Ives,,,THAT'S WHAT I WANT!! JUST A BOYS DREAM.....YOU REALLY MADE IT GOOD TO ME.....I know....sigh.

Dunno if they all got played or owt. I was talking on the flyer...not DJing....X Soz for the confusion mate....but as said....they all got it back then...'in crowd' sh*t......but u have the code and are 'in' the 'catchphrase crew' now...Mr Chips!!!!hehe!!x Just say wot u see.....not wot u hear!!!!! I never spun owt....it's in ure head Steviiiiieeeeee!!!!x....doooodledooodooo.......!x People collected 'em as a 'work of art'...seriously!!x

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Pete S...slides in wiv..."I Was thinking about what you said there.  I'd also look at "I Walked Away" and think - Zzzzzzzzzzzz

But then I thought, if I heard that at a big allnighter and everyone was clapping, my God it would be utterly fantastic!

And thats the trouble - we get bored of all these old records but when they're heard out, they take on a different dimension completely." 

 

The truth was Pete.......I played it...it rammed as it should when played at the right time...I remember it well. I have it on video.....a lad actually spins himself into the ground thru euphoria....actually collapsed arms stretched as a crucifix as he went....looked up....and went backwards and laid there absolutely Eddie Parker'd.....never ever forget it...sung to every word to the last note as he went...AWESOME...X I'll find the clip!!!x 

 

 

Little-Stevie offers some large tips..."The trick is to go about your plan in a quiet way Sooty,  get your team/ venue in place and then go pow!....

A premature ejaculation will alert those  that would wish you to fall on your arse......."

 

What plan mate??!!x All i've announced 'publicly' is that i'm actively looking to get active again!!x There are only about 11 key folk that know of my ultimate plans within this scene that are currently in my head. Only 2 of them are involved in this scene at present. They only know half of what I have in my head too. None of those frequent this forum....or should I say 'contribute'. There is nothing to say...yet. Except we...are excited!x I...me...ain't putting me name or owt to any 'venue' either....! As said....i'm focused on folk Nationally....regionally...and locally. I ain't asking anyone to come to 'me'...for anything! I'm coming to you...all of you!!x Each to their own which I fully support and have done all me life. My 'plans'...and efforts will be going behind every venue...promoter...DJ...and Soulie...we can accomodate all. The music...will be a bonus. No different approach than the 90's...except this time I have a ready made team of devoted folk already in place to work with and support to help make things happen...Like the Len's...Shifty's....and several others were back then!x

 

"As i said in another thread.... Less is more...." You are right every time you've said it to me mate....X...but on this occasion.....I have a hanky for you...or a nut to go wiv that bolt?....hehe!!!!x

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"Just a thought...."

I have thoughted on it....and I can't say any less than wot I have....!!!x However Little Stevie....I ain't 'concerned' about those whom you suggest may want to see me or any good intended Soulie fall on their ar*e...I ain't got time or reason for it. Besides...they were out there back in the 90's....wherever I went!x They are in life too! But....i'll tell you what I found out....not 1 of them....if indeed they really did exist...I wos on drugs at the time....so...you know...dooodledooodoo....but if they did....not 1 had the decency to identify themlselves in person or say so to me face!!! I'm approachable by anyone!x EVERYONE smiled....and still do! So...I haven't got a clue who they may be now...if any...or back then Stevie....but.....nothing I have 'planned' would cause them concern....on a personal or business level.....negatively! It ain't 'business' for me see....pure pleasure! I deal with life and death outside of this scene. I have it in perspective Little Stevie...X I genuinly believe there isn't 1 DJ/Promoter or Soulie that has forgotten there is a war on...and folk are dying....being abused and used out there in everyday life. I don't for one moment. It is that reality I deal with each day.....that ensures I won't get upset about anything in this Scene mate......it's for living.....and leaving death...and misery....behind. I WON'T HAVE IT ANY OTHER WAY!!!x....and neither should any of you....I reckon!x 

Co-operation...togetherness...partnership...is my diction.....fame/ego's/confrontation/condemnation...Politics...moi?? Behave...i'm on that 24/7 out there. This scene...it's me chill out zone...always has been.....and thanx for the super warm welcome back i've recieved from you all.....X

Nothing has been said...or spoken about in these forums to make me feel different either. You can't! If I felt that way.....i'd switch u off....click of a button!x Did it all face to face last time....this is convenient....but I prefer the hands on approach meself...with a smile we can all see!x

 

 

 

 

 

I hope i;ve replied to each of you to your satisfaction...!x I will be back on line Monday for any further discussion...banter.....and yes....abuse.....I can handle it!!!!x

Have a great week-end all....and there may....may...be a small chance I can pop into Lifeline tonight as I end up at Birmingham Airport late tonight!x It's in me head as a possibility....but i'm not in control of the times or schedule for the day at present...just chilling with it.....so i'm hopeful to hear your stuff Chalky and all....and a birthday hug for you if so....and I'll do me first write up.......about YOU...and ure tunes!!!......I wonder if Ted will read it???!!!!!!x

 

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Now Len's screamers.......start SCREEEAMINNNGGG!!!!!.....Sooty....has left the forum......uh huh.....!x....get's shades.....walks into lampost.....MEEEEDIIIIICCCCC....no.....JACKET N PSYCHIATRIST....S.............there's looooads of me...and my type out there...I reckon.....!x

 

 

....that flippin' permanent ink marker chest took 3 weeks to dis-appear...and the point on me forehead??? .......tis why I wear a hat...15 years on...doh!! Folk talking about their 'influence' on the scene???? WOT??? This scene ifluenced ME........tis all your's fault!!!!....!x

That's my reality.....face yours!x Here's an extended take on it all...which is all too rare.........X

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LNfjjgZv4U

 

....and mine also ends with this last sincere comment.....I LOVE this scene...it's people's approach to life...and it's music...that's all anyone can tell you who was there when I shared it last time. Can I get a witness to that? My ex Mrs....whom I loved like no other woman I had in me life for 28 years...said...'you think more of them than you do our marriage."................GUILTY. Won't do that again to another relationship. I'll deal with any relationship first. I have. I'm back...

Nobody can do owt about it to stop me....even if they wanted too....I reckon....!!!x Why should they?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfCvBWNonSo

Edited October 26, 2013 by SOOTY

[KevH]

WTF just happened.? Hurricane Sooty just blew in.

[Steve G]

You're not getting it Sooty......plenty ain't gonna step out to go to an event that champions the type of oldies you are posting. I understand Pete's point about "I walked away" sounding better on a sound system, but I still ain't gonna travel, well next door to be honest, to hear it and "Something new to do" etc......nice record but y-a-w-n. At least you got a kick ass oldie (and one that has been revived in the last few years) at the end of your 'essay' - Face Reality! That's a start I suppose......

 

Enjoy Lifeline Sooty....

Edited October 26, 2013 by Steve G

[Mark S]

Read your response Sooty cheers still dont get why you advocate and encourage exposure to the wider world the vast majority of Northern Soul fans dont want it . We are patently aware that it is out there and hate it and all the tat and shite that goes with it .

 There are so many threads at the moment about the discontent on the scene so much of that discontent has been caused by over exposure .

 We have always had politics/rivalry mostly  good natured but this is taking a different path .

 If you want to save the scene then I suggest that you tell your media freinds cutting edge people (whatever they are !) to fook off we dont want or need them we never have .

 

10/10 for Shirley and Jessie though old Mecca play  .

Edited October 26, 2013 by Mark S

[Guest Andy Kempster]

in a nutshell

 

its just another unrequired oldies do in an already over diluted scene

 

less is more

 

 

 

wont be getting any of my hard earned ( ) money

[maslar]

That's got to be some kind of record? It took me 22 minutes to read. Nice one Sooty

[Shinehead]

That's got to be some kind of record? It took me 22 minutes to read. Nice one Sooty

Sorry to say Sooty edited the post as well, I feel as though I missed something

[Zed1]

Read your response Sooty cheers still dont get why you advocate and encourage exposure to the wider world

 

Would this even be possible given the scene's already been dumbed down to such a level it's pretty much unrecognisable from the one most of us signed up for back in the day.

 

Northern Soul (which is what it is to me) has never had a 'wider appeal', indeed it's one of the things that attracted us in the first place. I wonder how many of us would have even bothered getting into the music back in the day if the scene had been like it is at present?....

Edited October 26, 2013 by Zed1

[Soulman58]

An interesting read, It is a long tme since I ventured to an alnighter, it was before the word rare was used, I would have gone hoping to hear the top tunes of the day as well as something new and a few oldies, once again some which may have been massive and some rarely spun before.   However, as great as it is to hear new sounds in terms of northern or rare, I reflect on the fact that nearly every poll of fav sounds I have seen on the site consists of a very high percentage of sounds from Wigan/Cleethorpes/Mecca and beforehand and very few since.   

 

I can therefore see how some who may not seriously collect and venture out rarely want to re-live their youth and in the words of Faith, Hope and Charity "To each his own". 

[Sooty]

You're not getting it Sooty......plenty ain't gonna step out to go to an event that champions the type of oldies you are posting. I understand Pete's point about "I walked away" sounding better on a sound system, but I still ain't gonna travel, well next door to be honest, to hear it and "Something new to do" etc......nice record but y-a-w-n. At least you got a kick ass oldie (and one that has been revived in the last few years) at the end of your 'essay' - Face Reality! That's a start I suppose......

 

Enjoy Lifeline Sooty....

 

Steve...those flyers are 20 years old mate!!!x Many of the folk turning out it was their first time back since leaving the Mallet...St Ives...and Wigan in the late 70's....!x It was many folks first nostalgic trip....folk like Sean Chapman....who would have danced to every tune featured back then....guaranteed!!!!x 

I knew the 'local' market....and Nationally...folk knew I spoke thru' me flyers. Killed both with 1 poster.....job done!x I couldn't feature my stuff!! Nationally...I was playing Cards on The Table-Dplomats....King Colemans Down In The Basement...That's My Girl-Dee Clark...Mel Torme-Comin Home Baby...Richard Berry....Jimmy Hughes....the vocal version of Jimmy Frasier which locally...at St Ives in the 70's...only the instru was played for a while!!! So...all 'new' stuff to the majority piling in!!x In context...the tunes on the flyer were bang on....and the venues did pack and rock....so.....'success'!!!x 

I was told the below tune wasn't Northern when i played it at me Soul Night...and at The Maltings 2nd night. It was going down a storm at 100Club...Blackburn and most 'hard core' doo's. These...like Sean...weren't 'hard core' back then!!! We all gotta start somewhere...and somebody has to be there to 'ease' them in too....it worked for 'us'!!!x

 

I could have just put this label on a flyer.....and not bothered sorting a doo out for them......and just got off me head and be selfish and just play to the 'in crowd' around the nation!x But...being a Community minded person through life....I wanted to bring folk along with any 'excitement' I find.....in life!x 

Don't get me wrong tho'....when Kev Fev put this on a tape for me with a load of others in '93.....I sh*t meself......I liked it...but.....but.....'extreme' at the time!!! But hey....if you don;t like it....i'll tell u wot u can dooooooo....and they did....eventually!x

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z10oGEFeFCU

 

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Mark S sez...

Read your response Sooty cheers still dont get why you advocate and encourage exposure to the wider world the vast majority of Northern Soul fans dont want it . We are patently aware that it is out there and hate it and all the tat and shite that goes with it .

 There are so many threads at the moment about the discontent on the scene so much of that discontent has been caused by over exposure .

 We have always had politics/rivalry mostly  good natured but this is taking a different path .

 If you want to save the scene then I suggest that you tell your media freinds cutting edge people (whatever they are !) to fook off we dont want or need them we never have . 10/10 for Shirley and Jessie though old Mecca play   .

 

Mark...I heard the Shirley & Jessie tune via a media mate. He explained his knowledge of Northern Soul. He said his mam had this played at her funeral. I'd never heard it......and didn't know it was Northern Soul until I said it sounded as tho' t should be! It was on a CD in his car at the time!!!!x His Mam had been a co-ordinator  for a Charity that worked with some US foundations Shirley/record firm had in her time in the 70's/80. They were all given a tape in the 80's with songs on....gospel stuff mainly....whilst in Ghana!! It was on there. It was my mate's mams favourite tune. She liked Strauss otherwise.  Not 1 DJ had shared that with me...or Soulie...since 1975. I had to have one. I take my input from anywhere. I also don;t close any doors.....or i'll miss out in things....like hearing that super track!!!x Wot r u lot like?!x I heard it from the press first........!!!!x

 

Well....'musically' guys...I can't be far out. I put 2 tunes up after all that....and when it counts...at the death.....u danced outta the doors.....!!!!x DEEEEJAAAAAAYY....sharp one at that....or WOT???!!!hehe!!!x

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[Mark S]

You have to admit though Sooty not all publicity is good

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[Sooty]

...u jest Mark!!!x I'm still signing autographs in Tesco's for that one!!x I was the only 1 who was trying to remove the Patsy George 'gambling man' Rolls!!!x Some 'gangsters' had a hold of me club through the back door. Put him in place...banned me....and thought they wos home n dry with me ground i'd frequented since age 14. I was slightly peeved. The outcome? Chairman x 3 on the trot removed. Ground bought by friends....gangsters disappeared. George Rolls? Iast spoke to him as he stood outside of the FA's office awaiting his outcome for being the Patsy for several clubs players gambling habits....managed by their Managers and placed as a consortium through Rolls. George is 'local'. Nationally...I was is only 'friend'. Mad world eh? Cambridge....is my home Town. So...not every picture tells the story does it?!x The fella on the left. Told me his life's troubles. Din't like being a hired hand for gangsters....none of them did. They were no different to 'Bouncers' in Police uniforms. I was the only 1 prepared...and able...to confront it all. I did. The Police Liasion Officer who had 'run' the ground for several years...and mates of these 'gangsters'...was removed also. I insisted...X

 

Next?!x

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[Steve G]

You have to admit though Sooty not all publicity is good 00019421.jpg

 

Is that the soul police feeling Sooty's collar for posting long and rambling posts

[Haydn]

More inclined to play the flip to Shirley & Jessie nowadays.......

[maslar]

Is that the soul police feeling Sooty's collar for posting long and rambling posts

 

This is the momentous day when Sooty's former nationally banned nickname "Sooty" was successfully entered into the police computer. To cut a long story short Rupert Murdoch was crushed.

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[Sooty]

Cambridge Maslar....the Center for Education. Proud of that!!x You;ve remembered....and I ain;t forgot u either mate!!x

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...and no....it was this day....I weren't prepared for the first 1....'dirty' tactics!!!x They only put m on the pavement off the premises!!x 2nd time when I blocked the ground off wiv me limo's....I was dressed for the 'national' occasion Maslar...which me....and others...had masterminded!!x Brill stuff init!!x

 

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[maslar]

Cambridge Maslar....the Center for Education. Proud of that!!x You;ve remembered....and I ain;t forgot u either mate!!x

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...and no....it was this day....I weren't prepared for the first 1....'dirty' tactics!!!x They only put m on the pavement off the premises!!x 2nd time when I blocked the ground off wiv me limo's....I was dressed for the 'national' occasion Maslar...which me....and others...had masterminded!!x Brill stuff init!!x

 

 

Well yes .. unless you're one of the poor people who couldn't park their car or who got blocked in the large scale congestion your limos must have caused in  the surrounding area.. Sorry this is way off-topic. Last one from me on this side frivolity  

[Mark S]

...u jest Mark!!!x I'm still signing autographs in Tesco's for that one!!x I was the only 1 who was trying to remove the Patsy George 'gambling man' Rolls!!!x Some 'gangsters' had a hold of me club through the back door. Put him in place...banned me....and thought they wos home n dry with me ground i'd frequented since age 14. I was slightly peeved. The outcome? Chairman x 3 on the trot removed. Ground bought by friends....gangsters disappeared. George Rolls? Iast spoke to him as he stood outside of the FA's office awaiting his outcome for being the Patsy for several clubs players gambling habits....managed by their Managers and placed as a consortium through Rolls. George is 'local'. Nationally...I was is only 'friend'. Mad world eh? Cambridge....is my home Town. So...not every picture tells the story does it?!x The fella on the left. Told me his life's troubles. Din't like being a hired hand for gangsters....none of them did. They were no different to 'Bouncers' in Police uniforms. I was the only 1 prepared...and able...to confront it all. I did. The Police Liasion Officer who had 'run' the ground for several years...and mates of these 'gangsters'...was removed also. I insisted...X

 

Next?!x

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 Just the response I wanted to ilustrate the media dont get it right ever , so inviting them to soul events ..........................................really

 

 

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[Sooty]

 Last one from me on this side frivolity   

GOOD...X

 

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...parking???....they couldn't start the game.....had 3,000 on me back......!!x Sometimes in life tho' Maslar....you have to be there for folk before they can be there for themselves. Not 1 U's fan...or sensible fan in the Country would support him or could have compassion for George Rolls...'today'. I had it from day 1. It was there at his end too. I was his worst...and best friend. Takes some doing that mate!!x I put up with the few moans whilst i'm focused on proper stuff.....like saving football clubs and ejecting irrelevances such as a Rolls. But did it with 'love'....and hope I meet you soon so that we can enjoy it's pleasures too!!x

...and as long as u don;t do crack....turn me academy kids into gamblers or try to nick me heritage....we'll get on....whatever your music tastes!!x

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[Steve G]

Back onto rare soul please.....enough of this Sooty-self-publicity malarky!

[Sooty]

 Just the response I wanted to ilustrate the media dont get it right ever , so inviting them to soul events ..........................................really

 

 

...Mark.....the media were waiting for both. I...SET IT UP. I wanted the story continually front page...so did my media friends who cared about the Community. I was the 'fall guy'. I went there to confront the threat Rolls had made to stop me because he said he could....for no reason. The press were waiting. I was refused entry.....bolted thru the gate....got 'caught'...and removed to the pavement outside the ground....my mate from the local rag clicking allll the way. Job done. Some folk put a tyre around em and set alight to it in protest. That'd hurt...!x

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[Mike]

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