Northern Soul - Rare Soul

[Guest manusf3a]

You can say that again......It certainly was for me........I suffer from what is termed 'Dry Eye', and I can't open my eyes in the mornings without putting drops in......I also now only smoke one of those vapour electric cigarettes, which you fill with a 'very' similar bottle to the eye drops.....the most noticeable difference being the picture of a dead fish on the side, with the words 'very toxic'........Yup, you guessed it, I reached past my alarm clock and gently squeezed the 'juice' into both of my eye ducts, and  'waited' for it to 'work it's usual magic' - AAARRRRRRGHHHHHH! I can't tell you how much it f*ckin' hurt! I very nearly went to A and E - You should have seen how red my eyes were! Ouch.......

 

.......Sorry, what are we talking about?

 

All the best,

 

Len  

I am on those e fags now Len,sorry about the eye but that is a classic,sort of thing I usually end up doing!Surprisinly good hit of those e cigs,I havent ventured into the world of fruit flavours etc but so far have stayed with wizard weed baccy flavour.Oh oh,drifted off topic yet again ,sorry moderaters!

Edited October 21, 2013 by manusf3a

[Mark S]

  Uncle Russ knows

 

 

 

23/9/73 at 0200hrs in a town called Wigan the above invented soul music   

Edited October 21, 2013 by Mark S

[MrsWoodsrules]

I like to think of Rare Soul as the best bits of 'Northern', now I know in practice, rarity doesn't always equate to 'good', but its not just coincidental that a lot of it IS rare, without giving history lessons of the labels and music/radio distribution in the States mid to late 60s, but rarity, or unavailability, is inherent.

Only thing I find slightly sad, is that I can own any of it digitally these days (and I do), but there is something very special about the physicality of a 'rare' disc that gets lost it seems.

On the music side of things, I love to hear great 'Northern' outside of the standard/usual oldies when Im out, new soulful sounds Ive not heard before or forgotten how good they were, thats the buzz for me personally, but to each their own.

I find it hard to split rare and northern, its just a choice of cherry picking what you like, and when you know what it is you like, sound wise, you never stop looking for that sound.

[Mike Lofthouse]

Dave Godin coined the phrase, out of a mix of varied words aimed a an audience of soul buyers in england who read blues and soul. whoever coined the phrase did so out of ignorance. dave godin was a very seldom seen visitor to the rare soul scene as i know it. his input being purely coincidental

Sorry enchantedrythm (I wish people would use their real name - its easier when composing a reply), but I don't understand a word of what you have written!

 

Mike 

[Steve G]

To apply an old terrace maxim: STTAAAANNNNNDDDD!

 

Yep but it's 6.15p.m Byrney and all the opposing fans have lost interest in fighting and gone home for their tea.....And you are still there shouting .......The term 'northern soul' was lost to commercialism years ago. People still use it, but it's identity is different. I realised the battle had been lost a few years ago and the last time I ever went to Prestatyn. Then there were more clothes, clocks and birthday cards on sale than records. I distinctly remember to get to talk to Tim Ash I had to navigate through a clothes rack of designer circle skirts and mod clobber and nearly knocked the clothes rack over in the process.

 

Keep the faith!

Edited October 22, 2013 by Steve G

[Steve G]

Sorry enchantedrythm (I wish people would use their real name - its easier when composing a reply), but I don't understand a word of what you have written!

 

Mike 

 

Mike he is saying Dave Godin didn't travel much - occasional forays to Cleethorpes, Wigan and Blackpool back in the day. back then it was ALL Northern Soul - there was no "Rare soul", in fact I am trying to think when I first heard the term whispered in public. 80's I think.....

Edited October 22, 2013 by Steve G

[Philt]

I think those of us who might consider ourselves part of the 'rare' scene have only ourselves to blame in some respects. It's all become so fragmented, which is one reason why there seem to be so many dos with little or no real atmosphere. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy then: why would you travel to that?

Ironically enough, it's the very use of categories n pigeonholes like 'rare', 'underplayed' etc etc which add to the problem imo, by further fragmenting things. To me they're totally meaningless and divisive.

As we all know and as everyone says, there's something which happens every weekend which is nothing whatsoever to do with people who collect seriously and / or who have been / still are regular nighter goers. The odd one or two might make the occasional, tentative foray into the real deal and stick with it which is fantastic; most never have and never will though and I'm happy about that to be honest.

Rather than blame everyone and everything else, the people who claim to be really 'into it', and have the scars to prove it, need to get off their arses, stop being so self-absorbed and ego driven, get things in perspective and start pulling together. What got you into it? For me it was "kinell, what's that" ... dancing like a maniac and losing yourself alongside a load of right into it, like-minded numpties, wading through boxes looking for stuff and talking b*llocks. Its harder n harder to find nowadays (not the b*llocks , there's any amount of that still)

 Whether our mam likes a bit of Freda Payne with her mates and thinks shes into 'NS' doesn't worry me one iota. The fact that for so many the things which made it different and special, including [musical] quality, integrity and broadmindedness - first, second and last - seem to have got lost somewhere along the way does though. We don't help ourselves most of the time.

Gone too far? I dunno but I'm less and less motivated by and enthusiastic about much of whats on offer these days. (Not the music / records btw, they're still first, second n last).

Edited October 22, 2013 by PhilT

[Chalky]

So are you implying that those of us who went to the Casino and other All nighters were only into Rare Soul, Whilst those who went to the Mecca and other nights were only into Northern soul? What if you went to only All dayers? And is there any Rare Northern Soul ?!!!!!!

Hmm the mind boggles !!

No read it again, Sooty is implying Rare Soul fans went to nighters and not soul nights. I've always done both.

[Philt]

No read it again, Sooty is implying Rare Soul fans went to nighters and not soul nights. I've always done both.

I'd go anywhere and everywhere I could hear what I wanted to, as often as I could. Think most of us were the same weren't we?

[Sooty]

No read it again, Sooty is implying Rare Soul fans went to nighters and not soul nights. I've always done both.

 

So have I Chalky!x How can I be more succinct....? When I arrived as such 1993...there was a definite 'split' occurring...'oldies/newies'. Around my local patch....you were 1...or t'other...I figured! ME...I luv'd hearing all.....end of! But it weren't that approach out there. As a Promoter and DJ...I had to deal with that reality. My solutions intitially....to offer 2 seperate themed events....which worked...for that interim. The 'old school newbies'....learnt new tunes over the time....and ALL 'united' eventually with St Ives at it's end 97/8/9 having the best of all genres being played....including Len's midtempo....!!!x It was a 'business' reality as such Chalky that I faced....and it is all I can report. But....this time round??? There are more 'educated' folk around on the wider spectrum of rare records and music out there than there was in 1993/4/5....so 'we' won;t be alone in bringing these newbies along.....it'll be easy this time....I reckon!x

 

LUV

SOOTY

X

EDIT....i;ve said it before....and i'll say it again....Sean Chapman came through my 'system'!! He lapped up the Oldies upon his return in '93 ish after a long sabbatical. He bought them all...I put him on his first DJ spot at one of my does and he played one after the other CLASSIC OLDIES...and rocked the joint!! Like me...he even jumped onto the dance floor whilst his tunes were spinning....I remember it well!!x But....within 10 years....he 'progressed' to where I read these days he is considered 'cutting edge' by some....!x It worked....I rest my case!!x

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Edited October 22, 2013 by SOOTY

[Guest gordon russell]

Yes but much of what is played at an "oldies" night is/are rare soul! 

 

Wasn't it Rare Soul before Northern Soul?  I would prefer Rare Soul rather than Northern Soul.  Either way both are simply a name for this scene.

No.....they were just called nighter sounds

[Guest gordon russell]

Are you sayingif you only did nighters you were into Rare Soul?  If you did both you were into Northern Soul?   When nighters started at midnight or after the pubs shut I and all my mates always went to a soul night.  First or the services or a pub if travelling.  Mind you we wouldn't have gone to a warm in Cambridge for a nighter in London

shrewd move there chalkey.......a lot of wannabes in cambridge at that time

[TOAD]

I asked a promoter recently what they meant by rare and under played as i was interested in attending the venue the answer was records that don't get played a lot ! I was wondering if they could possibly provide a few examples but no they didn't. I'm certain that some promoters have not got a clue on what is overplayed.

[TOAD]

I'm sitting down at my favorite allnighter enjoying the tunes and a baggy trousers bloke starts moaning that they ain't playing northern soul i said that record and the one before both are casino tunes. The record was for your information was Larry brown breaking training fireworks. I give up lol lol

[Pete S]

I'm sitting down at my favorite allnighter enjoying the tunes and a baggy trousers bloke starts moaning that they ain't playing northern soul i said that record and the one before both are casino tunes. The record was for your information was Larry brown breaking training fireworks. I give up lol lol

 

I agree with him 

[Pete S]

It'll always be Northern Soul to me, Rare Soul can mean rare / hard to find Soul of any type e.g. Deep Soul.  I don't like Deep Soul so I say I like Northern Soul not Rare Soul.  Though I do like Rare Northern Soul.

[TOAD]

there was a lot more but that's the only example i could rember pete

[Sooty]

shrewd move there chalkey.......a lot of wannabes in cambridge at that time

 

...lot of has been's too Gordon...I recall!x It took and takes all sorts!x All 'united' in the end tho'....X

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LUV

SOOTY

X

[Sikirby]

OOps Apologies meant to add that to the comment Sooty had made !!

[Sikirby]

Try again !!

So are you implying that those of us who went to the Casino and other All nighters were only into Rare Soul, Whilst those who went to the Mecca and other nights were only into Northern soul? What if you went to only All dayers? And is there any Rare Northern Soul ?!!!!!!

Hmm the mind boggles !!

[Guest gordon russell]

theres never been a decent soul do in cambridge since the MALLET shut...which is a shame,but there ya go...strange world of norman soul

[Mark Bicknell]

I think those of us who might consider ourselves part of the 'rare' scene have only ourselves to blame in some respects. It's all become so fragmented, which is one reason why there seem to be so many dos with little or no real atmosphere. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy then: why would you travel to that?

Ironically enough, it's the very use of categories n pigeonholes like 'rare', 'underplayed' etc etc which add to the problem imo, by further fragmenting things. To me they're totally meaningless and divisive.

As we all know and as everyone says, there's something which happens every weekend which is nothing whatsoever to do with people who collect seriously and / or who have been / still are regular nighter goers. The odd one or two might make the occasional, tentative foray into the real deal and stick with it which is fantastic; most never have and never will though and I'm happy about that to be honest.

Rather than blame everyone and everything else, the people who claim to be really 'into it', and have the scars to prove it, need to get off their arses, stop being so self-absorbed and ego driven, get things in perspective and start pulling together. What got you into it? For me it was "kinell, what's that" ... dancing like a maniac and losing yourself alongside a load of right into it, like-minded numpties, wading through boxes looking for stuff and talking b*llocks. Its harder n harder to find nowadays (not the b*llocks , there's any amount of that still)

 Whether our mam likes a bit of Freda Payne with her mates and thinks shes into 'NS' doesn't worry me one iota. The fact that for so many the things which made it different and special, including [musical] quality, integrity and broadmindedness - first, second and last - seem to have got lost somewhere along the way does though. We don't help ourselves most of the time.

Gone too far? I dunno but I'm less and less motivated by and enthusiastic about much of whats on offer these days. (Not the music / records btw, they're still first, second n last).

Here, Here Phil, this is exactly my thoughts and reasons I stepped back from it all, I've wanted to get back where I was with it but it's not the same.

Edited October 22, 2013 by Mark Bicknell

[Steve G]

theres never been a decent soul do in cambridge since the MALLET shut...which is a shame,but there ya go...strange world of norman soul

 

You mean Northern Soul?  Or is it Norman Soul? I get confused with all these different badges and labels 

 

General Soul Max, Dave H, Chris Brown and a load of others might have something to say bout dat.....since they have put on loads of good nights for the good burghers of Cambridge.

[Guest gordon russell]

 

You mean Northern Soul?  Or is it Norman Soul? I get confused with all these different badges and labels 

 

General Soul Max, Dave H, Chris Brown and a load of others might have something to say bout dat.....since they have put on loads of good nights for the good burghers of Cambridge.

 hello steve.....that modern vibe ain,t for me.......see ya at lifeline

[Guest Byrney]

Yep but it's 6.15p.m Byrney and all the opposing fans have lost interest in fighting and gone home for their tea.....And you are still there shouting .......The term 'northern soul' was lost to commercialism years ago. People still use it, but it's identity is different. I realised the battle had been lost a few years ago and the last time I ever went to Prestatyn. Then there were more clothes, clocks and birthday cards on sale than records. I distinctly remember to get to talk to Tim Ash I had to navigate through a clothes rack of designer circle skirts and mod clobber and nearly knocked the clothes rack over in the process.

 

Keep the faith!

(The following to be said in Danny Dyer Mockney style) Yeah... But can we all not plot up in Whetherspoons, make some calls and all meet up after a tea of jellied eels and liquor... for a mass off away from CCTV? Naughty!!

Cooking up the muffins in a French mans kitchen... Naughty.

[KevH]

Try again !!

So are you implying that those of us who went to the Casino and other All nighters were only into Rare Soul, Whilst those who went to the Mecca and other nights were only into Northern soul? What if you went to only All dayers? And is there any Rare Northern Soul ?!!!!!!

Hmm the mind boggles !!

 

Don't get your R Soul in a twist Si.Its not worth it.

[Manfromsoul45s]

I'm sitting down at my favorite allnighter enjoying the tunes and a baggy trousers bloke starts moaning that they ain't playing northern soul i said that record and the one before both are casino tunes. The record was for your information was Larry brown breaking training fireworks. I give up lol lol

 

That's because he was a F**kin Knobhead..

[Carty]

that was a waste of ten minutes 

[Chalky]

So have I Chalky!x How can I be more succinct....? When I arrived as such 1993...there was a definite 'split' occurring...'oldies/newies'. Around my local patch....you were 1...or t'other...I figured! ME...I luv'd hearing all.....end of! But it weren't that approach out there. As a Promoter and DJ...I had to deal with that reality. My solutions intitially....to offer 2 seperate themed events....which worked...for that interim. The 'old school newbies'....learnt new tunes over the time....and ALL 'united' eventually with St Ives at it's end 97/8/9 having the best of all genres being played....including Len's midtempo....!!!x It was a 'business' reality as such Chalky that I faced....and it is all I can report. But....this time round??? There are more 'educated' folk around on the wider spectrum of rare records and music out there than there was in 1993/4/5....so 'we' won;t be alone in bringing these newbies along.....it'll be easy this time....I reckon!x

LUV

SOOTY

X

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What do you mean a split occurring? It was always there long before you came along in the 90's.. You read all the time the affect Mr M's was having on the main room, oldies/newies in the 80's, modern vs. Northern, all these splits and arguement throughout the 70's, 80's, 90's right up to tody as is plainly evident on this board by the constant turnover of topics covering these arguments.

You were either a nighter goer or you wasn't. You did both or you didn't. You were into Northern regardless of what type of event you frequented. Back then Northern was cool, it wasn't the kinda joke it is becoming nowadays.

Rare soul. Northern soul, modern soul, whatever kinda soul, just go out and enjoy it. If you can't decide where to go these days with the amount of information at your fingertips then there is no hope for you. Everyone has been around long enough and knows who plays what and promotes what to have some idea of what kind of venue they will or won't be attending.

F*ck me why do folk have to complicate something that should be really simple?

Edited October 22, 2013 by chalky

[Kev Cane]

What do you mean a split occurring? It was always there long before you came along in the 90's.. You read all the time the affect Mr M's was having on the main room, oldies/newies in the 80's, modern vs. Northern, all these splits and arguement throughout the 70's,80's, 90's right up to tody as is plainly evident on this board by the constant turnover of topics covering these arguments. ,

You were either a nighter goer or you wasn't. You did both or you didn't. You were into Northern regardless of what type of event you frequented. Back then Northern was cool, it wasn't the kinda joke it is becoming nowadays.

Rae soul. Northern soul, modern soul, whatever kinda soul, just go out and enjoy it. If you can decide where to go these days wi the amount of information at your fingertips then there is no chance. Everyone has been around long enough and knows who plays what and promotes what to have some idea of what kind of venue they will or won't be attending.

F*ck me why do folk have to complicate something that should be really simple?

Absolutely in a nutshell Chalky, was getting pissed off with all the pointless barriers people were putting up when like you say, we all know what venue does what and does not, you can go round in circles like this has and drive yourself nuts, go where you are best suited, buy what suits YOU and f--k what anyone else says and thinks, just be true to yourself, Mike Lofthouse in post 33 sums it up aswell

Kev

Edited October 22, 2013 by kev cane

[Sikirby]

Don't get your R Soul in a twist Si.Its not worth it.

Lol I'm just having an IT nightmare Kev no twists in my RSoul or anywhere else mate lol

[Sooty]

What do you mean a split occurring? It was always there long before you came along in the 90's.. You read all the time the affect Mr M's was having on the main room, oldies/newies in the 80's, modern vs. Northern, all these splits and arguement throughout the 70's, 80's, 90's right up to tody as is plainly evident on this board by the constant turnover of topics covering these arguments.

You were either a nighter goer or you wasn't. You did both or you didn't. You were into Northern regardless of what type of event you frequented. Back then Northern was cool, it wasn't the kinda joke it is becoming nowadays.

Rare soul. Northern soul, modern soul, whatever kinda soul, just go out and enjoy it. If you can't decide where to go these days with the amount of information at your fingertips then there is no hope for you. Everyone has been around long enough and knows who plays what and promotes what to have some idea of what kind of venue they will or won't be attending.

F*ck me why do folk have to complicate something that should be really simple?

 

...I can only speak about what I saw and experienced Chalky!x that was...as I admit happily...from 1993. If it had been split before that which I know it was....well...it gelled soon after and was there to see that happen and assist with it...!x

gordon russell

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Posted Today, 04:56 PM

theres never been a decent soul do in cambridge since the MALLET shut...which is a shame,but there ya go...strange world of norman soul 

 

 

Steve G adds....You mean Northern Soul?  Or is it Norman Soul? I get confused with all these different badges and labels   General Soul Max, Dave H, Chris Brown and a load of others might have something to say bout dat.....since they have put on loads of good nights for the good burghers of Cambridge.

 

Gordon reply's with...hello steve.....that modern vibe ain,t for me.......see ya at lifeline 

 

Gordon...I didn't get to go to the Mallet. I did though meet many who have...and many of those 'hard core' came to our nights. Indeed kicked the dance floor off regular at the City Stop by 8pm each month.....no probs!x As I had no idea what had gone before....we did our thing...and it sold out for 5 years as a monthly Soul Night which lead to the St Ives being re-launched with support coming from all over the UK and Belgium on occasion with numbers hovering around 1,000 for each one. That's all I can say about what we did!x For it's time...it was 'it'....in East Anglia. 15-20 Soul Clubs featured there in its time...and all had  a super time. Was it 'euphoric'like perhaps The Mallet...or Wigan was? I doubt it. Was it good compared to what was on offer around the Country at the time? YES...it was worth the travel for folk to come down from Blackburn/Stoke as much as it was for us to go up their way!x Each time has it's moments...and for East Anglia...in the 90's...we provided it....and it was appreciated...on the whole!x Did you come to any of them to have a considered opinion? If so...i;d appreciate your reflection on it!x Easy to rubbish stuff mate...I know...but what was it that made you feel like that?...if you came to any of them in the 90's?

As for Chris....Max...both of whom i;ve known since aged 15....yep...they evolved from the Northern scene into the 'modern' scene in the 80's/90's and to date. Tremendous respect they have in that scene too I know and duly earned over the years...XX As for Northern...back in 1990's...Max himself will tell you he was wheeeled out at the occasional doo...but he only played the 'obvious' at the time and wasn't really 'up' on 'new additions' to Northern and the like. There were several others who had been there when Max was in the 70's.....all of them had been 'simmering' since the Mallet and just doing a 'commemorative' do here and there....but no 'consistency' or regular does going off anywhere. I got those 'old school' together....and put the work in to get summink regular going again. They all mucked in....but....many of them were happy turning up...doing their bit....as they had done in the past....but weren't out to go to other gigs or help develop the music and scene....or indeed themselves. So....I began working with those who did....as well. Len..Shifty...Sean....Kev Fev....all either 'new kids' or 'Rare' Soul specialists....none of which we had in Cambridge of the dedication or commitment these lads and I were willing to put in! So....on that basis Gordon...your not wrong I suppose. What we achieved...hadn't gone before. Some Mallet folk stopped coming when Shifty DJ'd. Said Betty O'Brien was bo**ox...not Norvern....and went home chewing their heads off in disgust...and never returned telling folk I din't know wot Norvern wos!!!!!! 1994. What can I do about that?!x You can please some....as they say!!x

 

LUV

SOOTY

X

 

Sikirby asks.....so are you implying that those of us who went to the Casino and other All nighters were only into Rare Soul, Whilst those who went to the Mecca and other nights were only into Northern soul? What if you went to only All dayers? And is there any Rare Northern Soul ?!!!!!!

Hmm the mind boggles !! 

 

NOOOOO Si!!!hehe!x My comments are about what I found out and about in East Anglia/and say 50 Mile radius of Cambridge...in the 90's!x As i've said above....most of those who came to St Ives in the end hadn't been to a do for over 10/15 years....had to be reminded how to dance and get over hearing the Snake for the first time in donkeys!!!x There was a 'rare' soul bunch here and there and I visited their venues. Shifty...had 20 or so turning up regular at Southend. Len...had a good 100 turning up for their take on it all....Kings Lynn....100 would turn out for an Oldies night.....20/30 for a 'rare'. Norwich...Soul Nights I promoted that way with locals....100 for a Classic night.....we couldn't get more than 20/30 for a rare doo at the time. So...yes...they were about...but not well supported or being 'exposed'. Within a year or so.....all of them were spinning their Rare and Quality 500...to1000 folk. So..I din;t moan about it or take sides...I just solved the dilemma...generated a demand....and put the folk in front of em. Easy done....as long as you were willing to put the time...mileage and commitment into it....as you time served folk know!x I was. I will again...and as said....it'll be easier now as that 'divide' is a lot closer and more knowledge spread among more folk than what we had in the 90's. I certainly would be anticipating 2000 at a venue like St Ives with a 60/40 mix of Northern/Rare being spun...no probs...to kick off with these days!x In 1993...when i started....you;d be lucky to have 2 or 3 records away throughout the night that would have been considered 'rare'...obscure....'new' as such....before discontent would have surrounded the room!! Based on todays potential...I consider all of us capable of pooling that knowledge and providing a positive environment for new folk to feel 'obligated' to take part!!! The 'i's have it so to speak...these days!x Exciting eh?!x

Edited October 22, 2013 by SOOTY

[Guest gaz thomas]

I think those of us who might consider ourselves part of the 'rare' scene have only ourselves to blame in some respects. It's all become so fragmented, which is one reason why there seem to be so many dos with little or no real atmosphere. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy then: why would you travel to that?

Ironically enough, it's the very use of categories n pigeonholes like 'rare', 'underplayed' etc etc which add to the problem imo, by further fragmenting things. To me they're totally meaningless and divisive.

As we all know and as everyone says, there's something which happens every weekend which is nothing whatsoever to do with people who collect seriously and / or who have been / still are regular nighter goers. The odd one or two might make the occasional, tentative foray into the real deal and stick with it which is fantastic; most never have and never will though and I'm happy about that to be honest.

Rather than blame everyone and everything else, the people who claim to be really 'into it', and have the scars to prove it, need to get off their arses, stop being so self-absorbed and ego driven, get things in perspective and start pulling together. What got you into it? For me it was "kinell, what's that" ... dancing like a maniac and losing yourself alongside a load of right into it, like-minded numpties, wading through boxes looking for stuff and talking b*llocks. Its harder n harder to find nowadays (not the b*llocks , there's any amount of that still)

 Whether our mam likes a bit of Freda Payne with her mates and thinks shes into 'NS' doesn't worry me one iota. The fact that for so many the things which made it different and special, including [musical] quality, integrity and broadmindedness - first, second and last - seem to have got lost somewhere along the way does though. We don't help ourselves most of the time.

Gone too far? I dunno but I'm less and less motivated by and enthusiastic about much of whats on offer these days. (Not the music / records btw, they're still first, second n last).

 

i am sure there are loads out there like myself who have been on the the scene and enjoyed good times.

...who just still live for the music and are not even on the scene anymore

 

 I collect more records than ever cause I love vintage music.

I enjoy for myself.

 

I can see what happened to the scene, thats why I dont bother - its tired, old and political

But the music

Thats my own journey, you cant spoil that

 

the music will forever be a hobby

because there will be always new vintage 45s to hear

 

Soul, RnB, NY Latin Soul, Soulful Funk,  I am a lover of vintage .

And thats my way.

 

I dont need a scene

 

Who out bid me on the Dorothy Williams Chicago 45 this week then ?

Edited October 22, 2013 by gaz thomas

[Kev Cane]

i am sure there are loads out there like myself who have been on the the scene and enjoyed good times.

...who just still live for the music and are not even on the scene anymore

 

 I collect more records than ever cause I love vintage music.

I enjoy for myself.

 

I can see what happened to the scene, thats why I dont bother - its tired, old and political

But the music

Thats my own journey, you cant spoil that

 

the music will forever be a hobby

because there will be always new vintage 45s to hear

 

Soul, RnB, NY Latin Soul, Soulful Funk,  I am a lover of vintage .

And thats my way.

 

I dont need a scene

 

Who out bid me on the Dorothy Williams Chicago 45 this week then ?

Agreed, the record room rules supreme

 

Kev

[Guest gaz thomas]

Agreed, the record room rules supreme

 

Kev

 

im not being a twat, i do go out now and again

 

i live in wales and am off to driving beat in leeds this weekend

 

i believe an old 80s collector called guy hennegan  is spinning a few 45s there

 

 

so hopefully it might be like a big record room .... lol

[Soulfinger]

F*ck me why do folk have to complicate something that should be really simple?

 

[Guest gaz thomas]

 

I dont suppose the  ageing clubbers of the e generation will have to worry if danny rampling played it first, or was it jules.......

...., no one would be able to remember

 

i wonder if we will have cream 1993 get togethers in 15 years ?

 

Will they want new music ?

 

Will they remember the tunes that were played first time?

 

Who cares.

Edited October 22, 2013 by gaz thomas

[NEV]

Two different names for two different scenes and used purely as a guide to help you decide what sort of music is likely to be on offer .

If you like oldies or well known ,tried and tested records ,it's more likely to be found under the banner of " northern soul "

If you like venues that play open minded music on original vinyl ,it's likely you'll find it more so in a " rare soul " venue .

It's just a tag on a flyer to give people a general idea .

It doesn't necessarily guarantee a great night ,nor does it tell you what is better or worse .

In the same sense ,the words ..crossover night ,progressive night ,upfront ,across the board ,modern ( from the 70's lol ) ,RnB ,funky soul ..and so on ,not really genres ,but info to give you a general idea .

Seasoned punters know who the promotors are ,who the dj's are ,so that helps immensely in making decisions .

It's not a technical term to imply every record played at a rare soul night is actually rare ,probably on original vinyl ,just as there really isn't such a record that was made in the USA in the 60's that was made and called a Northern soul record ..

Point I'm making is ,they are terms that people generally understand ( some clearly don't ) ,simply used to make things a bit more clear as to what's on offer .

I've been to Northern soul nights ,that I've enjoyed more than some that have been promoted as rare soul ,so it's a pretty broad description in terms of what is actually gonna get played in a venue .

Still confused ...good

[Guest gaz thomas]

is that candy coated people 45 on ebay a warehouse find  just a good funk record that slipped through, its well cheap, i bought one for a tenner, well good tune........ , just a 45 i never seen before,  

 

Cant be rare or interesting  cause it is cheap !

But well worth getting,

 

if we were talking about 45s

and not politics

i would post more

Edited October 22, 2013 by gaz thomas

[Geeselad]

I dont suppose the  ageing clubbers of the e generation will have to worry if danny rampling played it first, or was it jules.......

...., no one would be able to remember

 

i wonder if we will have cream 1993 get togethers in 15 years ?

 

Will they want new music ?

 

Will they remember the tunes that were played first time?

 

Who cares.

after having a discussion about sasha ripping off Graeme Park with his landlord vs nicole mix recently, I had to titter, its already happening, check out the track ID's on various oldskool sites or maybe shine in leeds, or, blatant plug, lovehouse in cheshire. I even play original 12's only.

[Geeselad]

is that candy coated people 45 on ebay a warehouse find of just a good funk record that slipped through, its well cheap, i bought one for a tenner, well good tune........ , just a 45 i never seen before,   remove off topic hitler

I got one of them and wondered the same, looks pretty obscure, fantastic track too, that sax break is wild.

[Shaun W]

Yep but it's 6.15p.m Byrney and all the opposing fans have lost interest in fighting and gone home for their tea.....And you are still there shouting .......The term 'northern soul' was lost to commercialism years ago. People still use it, but it's identity is different. I realised the battle had been lost a few years ago and the last time I ever went to Prestatyn. Then there were more clothes, clocks and birthday cards on sale than records. I distinctly remember to get to talk to Tim Ash I had to navigate through a clothes rack of designer circle skirts and mod clobber and nearly knocked the clothes rack over in the process.

 

Keep the faith!

Absolutely first class, very occasionally a few simple words can mean so much more than what appears on the page. This gets my vote for the best oxymoron this year.

[Guest gaz thomas]

I got one of them and wondered the same, looks pretty obscure, fantastic track too, that sax break is wild.

 

 

funky mad shit

 

its on syrene

 

so its vintage is assured

 

 

i tried to buy 5 of them, but ended up with one

 

i had never heard this in 30 years of collecting

 

funky!

Edited October 22, 2013 by gaz thomas

[Guest john s]

is that candy coated people 45 on ebay a warehouse find  just a good funk record that slipped through, its well cheap, i bought one for a tenner, well good tune........ , just a 45 i never seen before,  

 

 

 

 Is that the one on a pale blue label?

 

bollocks, has it turned up then?

[Guest gaz thomas]

 Is that the one on a pale blue label?

 

bollocks, has it turned up then?

 

sam plays one by them that is unusual, that aint this 45

 

turned up where ?

 

i would think this is a warehouse find of originals

 

who knows how many

 

i am feeling this was a good nod

 

and everyone who has just bought this for 10 quid on e bay

 

thank me later

 

 

 

 

now could you move this post to "my box" please moderador

 

great  records for a tenner thread

 

enjoy having the 45 original in your collecton

 

on to the next one

 

 

.... not even on utube lol

Edited October 23, 2013 by gaz thomas

[Guest gaz thomas]

there must be loads out there

Edited October 23, 2013 by gaz thomas

[Guest gaz thomas]

there was a handful, now nearly gone

 

still 3 copys left

 

great 45

 

lol

Edited October 23, 2013 by gaz thomas

[Sean Hampsey]

Contrary to what some might have thought, it was 'Rare Soul' quite a while before Dave termed the music 'Northern Soul' (from which the term the 'Northern Soul Scene' sprang).

 

See pic of Dave and Alf (with Mr Levine and others) at their first visit to the Mecca 'Rare Soul 71'.

 

I know as a young lad growing up and first getting into the music I was just into SOUL - it was later I became aware of RARE SOUL (certainly the older guys I used to buy lots of records from called it 'Rare Soul'... just so they could charge me more, lol), followed by NORTHERN SOUL a year or two later.

 

Eg; Sam & Dave 'Soul Sister Brown Sugar was Soul, Chubby Checker 'At The Discotheque' was Rare Soul.

 

Junior Walker 'Road Runner' was Soul, Jackie Lee 'Darkest Days' was Rare Soul.

 

At least that's how it was around these parts.

 

 

Sean

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Steve G]

Contrary to what some might have thought, it was 'Rare Soul' quite a while before Dave termed the music 'Northern Soul' (from which the term the 'Northern Soul Scene' sprang).

 

See pic of Dave and Alf (with Mr Levine and others) at their first visit to the Mecca 'Rare Soul 71'.

 

I know as a young lad growing up and first getting into the music I was just into SOUL - it was later I became aware of RARE SOUL (certainly the older guys I used to buy lots of records from called it 'Rare Soul'... just so they could charge me more, lol), followed by NORTHERN SOUL a year or two later.

 

Eg; Sam & Dave 'Soul Sister Brown Sugar was Soul, Chubby Checker 'At The Discotheque' was Rare Soul.

 

Junior Walker 'Road Runner' was Soul, Jackie Lee 'Darkest Days' was Rare Soul.

 

At least that's how it was around these parts.

 

 

Sean

 

So it's all Godin's fault then......Simples! I always suspected he wasn't quite the white Knight that everyone said

Edited October 23, 2013 by Steve G

[Ady Croasdell]

Yes but much of what is played at an "oldies" night is/are rare soul!

Wasn't it Rare Soul before Northern Soul? I would prefer Rare Soul rather than Northern Soul. Either way both are simply a name for this scene.

It was Old Soul hence the first bootleg label by Jeff King. Funnily enough that opretty much covers it-until the next great soul release comes along