Royalites The Scene Is So Lucky

[Billywhizz]

The loop hole in the soul scene is so lucky,vinyl LPs in last 35 years, gone sky high, cash exchange on vinyls have gone mega money, cds are brought out today with all different sound tracks, magazines with radio stations playing sound tracks. do you think the loop hole will close in the next few years and royalties or if not next to kin will be paid. do you think royalties should be paid out especially on cds, radio stations, articles and magazines which are making a profit???????????

[Guest Stuart T]

The loop hole in the soul scene is so lucky,vinyl LPs in last 35 years, gone sky high, cash exchange on vinyls have gone mega money, cds are brought out today with all different sound tracks, magazines with radio stations playing sound tracks. do you think the loop hole will close in the next few years and royalties or if not next to kin will be paid. do you think royalties should be paid out especially on cds, radio stations, articles and magazines which are making a profit???????????

Royalties on new product has to be paid already. On second hand records there is no chance of that being recovered whatsoever, enough people are getting away without paying any on new product without getting caught and collecting most fees over and above that deducted on PAYE schemes is usually inefficient. I doubt whether hardly anyone pays the state capital gains on record sales (should they have enough gains) so no chance on anyone recovering royalties.

In any event, the artist or copyright holder owns the right in the recording, not the actual piece of vinyl or its sleeve, and that was licensed to the record company when it was manufactured by them (in most cases!). I don't think there is a strong argument for the artist to go for the consumer to get more royalties just because the original medium has now increased in value.

[Mark B]

I would have thought that the royalties to be collected are stipulated in the contracts and are a percantage of the new record sales and a set amount for each record play on the radio. i think this is also covered in the licence fee for clubs and shops that are paid to the BPI. for playing music in your premises, not certain of this. My cousin used to work for the BPI and they used to recover royalties for artist who joined the BPI if you were a member they monitor all adverts and radio's playlist to make sure you are paid.

Do not think it would be viable to get royalties from second hand record sales, as in all things some prices go up and down, how would you monitor it as well second hand sales from 10p to several hundreds of pounds if not thousands. this would then have a knock on effect to the second hand book sales would'nt it, affecting charity shops and second hand book collectors as they would have to pay royalties on books or records sold,

just my thoughts

mark

[Dave Rimmer]

The loop hole in the soul scene is so lucky,vinyl LPs in last 35 years, gone sky high, cash exchange on vinyls have gone mega money, cds are brought out today with all different sound tracks, magazines with radio stations playing sound tracks. do you think the loop hole will close in the next few years and royalties or if not next to kin will be paid. do you think royalties should be paid out especially on cds, radio stations, articles and magazines which are making a profit???????????

There are no royalties due on second hand sales anyway, because they should have been paid when the product was sold new.

It's totally illogical to expect royalties on second hand sales of anything, as already mentioned, it could apply to anything sold second hand because the original seller would still have some sort of copyright applicable if it did apply.

ie sales of second hand cars would have to make a payment to the original manufacturer because they hold the design copyright.

[Guest]

Didnt Cliff Richard bring to light the 50 year rule on royalties.

Stating that his Living Doll recording was nearing its 50th birthday and after which royalties would cease to be paid on this and others he'd done?

Presumably if there is a time limit on copyright and ownership of 50 years then loads of recordings will be affected by this!

[Paul-s]

There are no royalties due on second hand sales anyway, because they should have been paid when the product was sold new.

It's totally illogical to expect royalties on second hand sales of anything, as already mentioned, it could apply to anything sold second hand because the original seller would still have some sort of copyright applicable if it did apply.

ie sales of second hand cars would have to make a payment to the original manufacturer because they hold the design copyright.

I dont know much about royalties on records. BUT , PRS charged me a percentage royalty on each track I used in 'Once Upon A Time In Wigan', based on box office sales. Even if it was barely audible, used for 20seconds and very obscure!! Where does that money go??

PAUL -S

[Dave Rimmer]

I dont know much about royalties on records. BUT , PRS charged me a percentage royalty on each track I used in 'Once Upon A Time In Wigan', based on box office sales. Even if it was barely audible, used for 20seconds and very obscure!! Where does that money go??

PAUL -S

That's not the same as a sale though, you were paying the Performance Rights Society for the right to use the track in a public performance

[Guest]

I dont know much about royalties on records. BUT , PRS charged me a percentage royalty on each track I used in 'Once Upon A Time In Wigan', based on box office sales. Even if it was barely audible, used for 20seconds and very obscure!! Where does that money go??

PAUL -S

This was pointed out in an earlier thread about 2 mth back Paul.

Think the conclusion was most of it goes to other people who have no relationship with the

Soul Artists concerned.

Very little if any sees its way back to the original artists or there families.

Instead the royalties get shared amongst the Bigger artists of today and there labels.

[Guest Stuart T]

Didnt Cliff Richard bring to light the 50 year rule on royalties.

Stating that his Living Doll recording was nearing its 50th birthday and after which royalties would cease to be paid on this and others he'd done?

Presumably if there is a time limit on copyright and ownership of 50 years then loads of recordings will be affected by this!

I don't think he bought anything to light, the greedy old tart just whinged about the fact that he won't get any more money for the recording. Tough, he has had too much already.

European copyright now ends after 50 years and the artists aren't due further royalties as I understand it. So in about 2014 there will be hundreds of piss poor quality cds or whatever format is used by then which will be issued by complete cowboys with impunity which will put any quality companies out of business (if there are any left by then).

Different to there being a "loophole" for sales of second hand records.

[Guest Netspeaky]

A private sale will never be covered full stop, silly to bring it up, not even a police state could control this.

[timthemod]

That's not the same as a sale though, you were paying the Performance Rights Society for the right to use the track in a public performance

PRS Public Performance money goes into a larger pot which is paid out in various ways, you can see this on the PRS website if you're interested. Unfortunately it wouldn't be econonically viable to pay such small royalties to the interested parties as the admin fee would be larger than the royalty.

TTM