Raremusicdirect Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 I was reading the "4 Perfections - I'm Not Strong Enough thread" and mention is made that all copies have hiss at the start. Some other 45s suffer the same Two questions 1. What causes this initial hiss at the start ? and 2. Why was it not spotted and halted before whole batches were produced ? Thanks Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Haydn Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Bobby Hebbs-You want to change me suffered the same fate. A rushed press? Too late to withdraw so pressed up again with better quality press, I assume. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Haydn Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 If the acetate is damaged, all future presses will have that initial damage from the stamper. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Premium Stuff Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 I know you probably mean on originals - but pressing a bootleg off an original vinyl that hisses would do it Poor quality vinyl - recycled cheap stuff. Presume they would have done test pressings - but they are maybe just samples - so not necessarily representative of all batches of records actually pressed with different quality of vinyl going through. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Sometimes it's just poor quality/reused tape I think. Have a listen to Argie & the Arketts - "You're the Guy". I always thought that sounded like it was edited from two different bits of tape, the intro being on a really noisy piece. I could be completely wrong about this mind you. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
stokesoulboy Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Small independent labels had to re use tape and usually press records on the cheap due to zero cash - also take into account the recording equipment was 10 years out of date compared to major labels like London RCA etc and it was quite difficult in some parts for a black labels to get even and fair distribution - sad but true . Bring on the hiss - it's surface noise of life 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Geeselad Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Small independent labels had to re use tape and usually press records on the cheap due to zero cash - also take into account the recording equipment was 10 years out of date compared to major labels like London RCA etc and it was quite difficult in some parts for a black labels to get even and fair distribution - sad but true . Bring on the hiss - it's surface noise of life it can be very atmospheric, portishead amongst others have added to modern recordings. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Davenpete Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Personally i always reckoned the 10 second hiss was the result of wreckheads slapping on records for a few seconrds then whipping them off to play the next one. Dx Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ady Of Newark Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Otis Clay - The Only Way Is Up is the same? or is it just my copy, lol Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
TOAD Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Same on my Otis clay Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest FrostyJak Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 it can be very atmospheric, portishead amongst others have added to modern recordings. Loads of 90's R&B stuff also. Adds to the retro sound great inmho Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soulman Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Otis Clay - The Only Way Is Up is the same? or is it just my copy, lol The Otis Clay's are down to really poor styrene rather than a fault in the pressing process. If anyone has an Otis Clay that has been played more than a couple of times it will have developed a hiss. I have two copies, one which I used to use for DJ'ing which hisses quite badly, then one which I have played once and only once which is absolutely spot on. Steve 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Hammersoul Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Otis Clay - The Only Way Is Up is the same? or is it just my copy, lol Most hiss but i have a clean one Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Hammersoul Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 The Otis Clay's are down to really poor styrene rather than a fault in the pressing process. If anyone has an Otis Clay that has been played more than a couple of times it will have developed a hiss. I have two copies, one which I used to use for DJ'ing which hisses quite badly, then one which I have played once and only once which is absolutely spot on. Steve Looks like i`ll have to play the lp out and hide me 45 now 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Sometimes it's just poor quality/reused tape I think. Have a listen to Argie & the Arketts - "You're the Guy". I always thought that sounded like it was edited from two different bits of tape, the intro being on a really noisy piece. I could be completely wrong about this mind you. I'd better get this out and have a good listen. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 My Four Perfections does not hiss at the start. I have only played Bobby Hebb "You Won't Change Me" Philips (USA) a couple of times from mint, because I know it does not take much for that track to deteriorate! Most hiss at the start of 45's is caused by DJ's backtracking the stylus to the start of the record. Many a record has been spoiled by this practice and if you can DJ properly, you don't need to do it!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Agentsmith Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 My Four Perfections does not hiss at the start. I have only played Bobby Hebb "You Won't Change Me" Philips (USA) a couple of times from mint, because I know it does not take much for that track to deteriorate! Most hiss at the start of 45's is caused by DJ's backtracking the stylus to the start of the record. Many a record has been spoiled by this practice and if you can DJ properly, you don't need to do it!! correct, stylus wear contributes...most djs who put in their own equipment will look after their gear, especially stylus & cartridge, afterall, other djs play their records on the gear and naturally assume it's up to scratch. cueing up is part & parcel of the dj art...but like has been said here as well, poor quality vinyl simply isn't going to prevent cue burn or hiss, and styrene has always been notorious for this. i did worry about tobi ledgend when i first bought an issue copy, but upon inspection it is good quality despite being styrene and has not suffered the same fate as johnny bartel, for instance, which after a few plays, now has a two second hiss. so, if you do backtrack, as opposed to just dropping the needle on the record and hoping for the best, rest it gently and wind back slowly, treat the gear and the records with respect...simples! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gene-r Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Sometimes it's just poor quality/reused tape I think. Have a listen to Argie & the Arketts - "You're the Guy". I always thought that sounded like it was edited from two different bits of tape, the intro being on a really noisy piece. I could be completely wrong about this mind you. You are spot on Godzilla - if you listen closely, you can hear the part where the two bits of tape have been joined (just after the 2, 3 count-in and before the two drum strikes). Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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