Poll: Bbc Culture Show - Northern Soul - Your Take ?

[Agentsmith]

a good many still to make up their minds then....assuming a good proportion of the u.k. watched it?, i think anyone who takes on this most hallowed of subjects, deserves the maximum for the effort, it most certainly wasn't over-subjective, at the same time it had an air of disaffection from the media hype we would all imagine it would be threatened with.....we begrudge with perpetual consistency, anything of this nature for fear of it perverting the course of justice, that in, telling it like it is and not belittling the scene and its congregation.

 

this, however, was respectful and as if to hammer the point of longevity home, managed to portray a few of our well known brothers and sisters as proof that this genre, once scoffed at as being another fad, simply hasn't gone away and that the mantle is passing faultlessly, from one generation to the next...slowly but surely, the youth of this country are realizing that REAL music begins at home, that it never went away.

 

just like "the pen is mightier than the sword", so the stylus is mightier than i-tunes

[Soulhawk1960]

Have just watched it and enjoyed it.

[Billywhizz]

Didn't watch it and yet its sad that this has happened

i miss it to toad, wednesday night ,my night for luv, cheers billy

[Staceys Dad]

not that bad really ...thought paul mason did a good job and some great music . ...and NO frank wilson 

[sepia]

was nice to see something on our working class council telly about our music.

 

for me it showed the passion we have for soul music & how some youngsters are joining the scene,feeling how we did/do.

 

but it was the culture show & it did what it said on the tin....all it did was open the lid,gave it a stir,making sure it hadn't gone off,lol.

 

we all have our own reasons for getting into the music/scene & are on soul source for the love of soul...

 

its the music that does it & no tv show,film or book will ever change that.

[Paulb]

Just watched it. 5 out of 5. Loved it. Really great overview of the scene. Makes me want to go to a big nighter!

A really genuine, hearfelt documentary. I believed everything that everyone said and really felt their passion.

Bravo!

[Chatty]

It wouldn't have been the same without the clip of the lad at Wigan gurning and doing windmills before his backdrop, it really feels like i've come to know him over the years!

[Sooty]

....the knickers have to be flown proudly...I reckon!x I smiled and chuckled with respect not embarressment as they swirled......and I feel that as exhibitionists....WHICH WE ALL ARE who take foot or ar*e to the floor.....then we should be proud of our confidence and passion in shariing it with each other. NOOOO...put ure clothes back on Len....what I mean is.....we all go to see the spectacle and be part of the spectacle. I love the different characters....dress.....and individual 'things' that go off at a doo. I cannot think of anytime I walked out of a function and felt like taking the pi** out of anyone for their clothes or personna......luv'd it all....and the knickers.......were brill methinks!x Believe it or not....that very 2 second flash....may well encourage many other Ladies who are confident dancers to return or come for the first time to a gig. I work with many stage performers...dancers and the like. They would have loved her confidence throughout the program......end of! We are all different...and it takes all sorts. Northern Soul...luv it...X

 

LUV
SOOTY
X

 

...oh yeeah....I HAD NEVER EVER EVER HEARD THIS....and was worth me license fee for the year....TUUUNE.....I reckon.....thank you BBC!!!!!!!!!x

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm6YGGDDMbw

Edited September 26, 2013 by SOOTY

[Quinvy]

Just watched it. 5 out of 5. Loved it. Really great overview of the scene. Makes me want to go to a big nighter!

A really genuine, hearfelt documentary. I believed everything that everyone said and really felt their passion.

Bravo!

Bloody hell Paul, you certainly changed your tune mate. Sorry I still can't do smileys on't thigh pad.

[Swifty]

Denise (my Mrs.) watched it with me and said something that rang true to me , when we started seeing each other she didn't really know much about my passion (Soul that is!) and when she was younger was a skinhead so knew all the Motown & youth club stuff but when we got together she enjoyed my "Northern" sounds which is always a promising sign . Over time she now says can you put this on or that on and hasn't got a clue who it is or what label but she loves it?

 

Watching that last night had me smiling, cringing and wishing I got my arse out more.

 

One of her workmates after watching the programme asked her to show how to do Northern Soul dancing and Denise said " It's not until you get on the floor and your feet start moving with your/the emotion of the record playing at the time and you either get it or you don't.

 

Fair play I Say , I think we're a bit over protective sometimes but hey!

 

Swifty

[Sooty]

Denise (my Mrs.) watched it with me and said something that rang true to me , when we started seeing each other she didn't really know much about my passion (Soul that is!) and when she was younger was a skinhead so knew all the Motown & youth club stuff but when we got together she enjoyed my "Northern" sounds which is always a promising sign . Over time she now says can you put this on or that on and hasn't got a clue who it is or what label but she loves it?

 

Watching that last night had me smiling, cringing and wishing I got my arse out more.

 

One of her workmates after watching the programme asked her to show how to do Northern Soul dancing and Denise said " It's not until you get on the floor and your feet start moving with your/the emotion of the record playing at the time and you either get it or you don't.

 

Fair play I Say , I think we're a bit over protective sometimes but hey!

 

Swifty

 

I would not have been able to do what Paul tried without music to 'dance' too! I leap off me seat automatic and me body moves when its right....no thinking about it!x I think he did well to do a move of any kind just 'moving'.....it ain't dancing is it?....with passion!x Ure Mrs sounds that she's tuned in alright Swifty.....nice 1!x

 

LUV

SOOTY

X

Edited September 26, 2013 by SOOTY

[Sceneman]

how long can the old fellas keep going till they have a stroke ?

[Swifty]

I'll keep you informed

[Peter99]

how long can the old fellas keep going till they have a stroke ?

Well, I reckon the "old fellas" may well go happy.

 

Peter

[Patto]

....the knickers have to be flown proudly...I reckon!x I smiled and chuckled with respect not embarressment as they swirled......and I feel that as exhibitionists....WHICH WE ALL ARE who take foot or ar*e to the floor.....then we should be proud of our confidence and passion in shariing it with each other. NOOOO...put ure clothes back on Len....what I mean is.....we all go to see the spectacle and be part of the spectacle. I love the different characters....dress.....and individual 'things' that go off at a doo. I cannot think of anytime I walked out of a function and felt like taking the pi** out of anyone for their clothes or personna......luv'd it all....and the knickers.......were brill methinks!x Believe it or not....that very 2 second flash....may well encourage many other Ladies who are confident dancers to return or come for the first time to a gig. I work with many stage performers...dancers and the like. They would have loved her confidence throughout the program......end of! We are all different...and it takes all sorts. Northern Soul...luv it...X

 

LUV

SOOTY

X

 

...oh yeeah....I HAD NEVER EVER EVER HEARD THIS....and was worth me license fee for the year....TUUUNE.....I reckon.....thank you BBC!!!!!!!!!x

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm6YGGDDMbw

 

Sooty

I remember seeing you around mid to late 90s but never got the chance to talk.Let me just say your posts have injected real entertainment to the site.Most of em you have to read through the crazyness a few times but the main points you make are sound.The main thing wrong with this scene at the moment is that the characters like yourself are very thin on the ground.The great nights of the past were made great by an important mixture of great music and great characters.The music is still the same but the scary corner people have mostly gone.I used to travel as much to be around those people as i did to dance.Nowadays it all seems so commercialised the magic essence seems to have waned.I hope the kids in the programme forge their own scene with their own identity and i hope some of them are characters because thats what it will need to break free of the corporate industry it has become.Keep posting mate i need the misery slapping out of me as much as Len.

 

Patto

[Quinvy]

A couple of points. I don't think anyone was getting at the couple featured in the program. They are obviously very nice people and love the music and the scene. I think most of the negative comments were because the program makers portrayed them as the norm on national television. Thereby giving the wrong impression to the non soul loving masses.

The other thing I don't understand is this. Why do the young souls feel the need to wear the old mid seventies fashions? Are they just copying their parents? Or do they feel they need a uniform to show that "we are into northern"?

On a personal level, back in the seventies, me and my mates were very much fashion victims. We would never have been seen dead in the baggies once they had gone out. I would rather have seen the youngsters wearing today's fashions myself.

[sepia]

how long can the old fellas keep going till they have a stroke ?

for as long as the word wigan keeps going.

[hullsoul]

It was a lot better than I expected,in fact parts of it were really good,certainly not perfect but is it possible to make the perfect "northern" programme?We can't agree about the music so we're not going to agree about tele

Cheers

Martyn

Edited September 26, 2013 by hullsoul

[Peter99]

A couple of points. I don't think anyone was getting at the couple featured in the program. They are obviously very nice people and love the music and the scene. I think most of the negative comments were because the program makers portrayed them as the norm on national television. Thereby giving the wrong impression to the non soul loving masses.

The other thing I don't understand is this. Why do the young souls feel the need to wear the old mid seventies fashions? Are they just copying their parents? Or do they feel they need a uniform to show that "we are into northern"?

On a personal level, back in the seventies, me and my mates were very much fashion victims. We would never have been seen dead in the baggies once they had gone out. I would rather have seen the youngsters wearing today's fashions myself.

I wore baggies for a very short period - didn't really like em but that was the score and I was too young to want to be different.

 

Anyway, I bought a pair of denim patch work baggies once. Came down stairs and me elderly mum saw me and said "Our lad, you look like a proper twat in them".

 

She was right.

 

Bless yer mam

 

 

Peter

[Quinvy]

Sooty

I remember seeing you around mid to late 90s but never got the chance to talk.Let me just say your posts have injected real entertainment to the site.Most of em you have to read through the crazyness a few times but the main points you make are sound.The main thing wrong with this scene at the moment is that the characters like yourself are very thin on the ground.The great nights of the past were made great by an important mixture of great music and great characters.The music is still the same but the scary corner people have mostly gone.I used to travel as much to be around those people as i did to dance.Nowadays it all seems so commercialised the magic essence seems to have waned.I hope the kids in the programme forge their own scene with their own identity and i hope some of them are characters because thats what it will need to break free of the corporate industry it has become.Keep posting mate i need the misery slapping out of me as much as Len.

 

Patto

Patto mate, you aren't going to the right allnighters. Mind you, a lot of the characters have gone to the big allnighter in the sky, due in no small part to their lifestyle.

[Sooty]

Sooty

I remember seeing you around mid to late 90s but never got the chance to talk.Let me just say your posts have injected real entertainment to the site.Most of em you have to read through the crazyness a few times but the main points you make are sound.The main thing wrong with this scene at the moment is that the characters like yourself are very thin on the ground.The great nights of the past were made great by an important mixture of great music and great characters.The music is still the same but the scary corner people have mostly gone.I used to travel as much to be around those people as i did to dance.Nowadays it all seems so commercialised the magic essence seems to have waned.I hope the kids in the programme forge their own scene with their own identity and i hope some of them are characters because thats what it will need to break free of the corporate industry it has become.Keep posting mate i need the misery slapping out of me as much as Len.

 

Patto

 

 

Patto......we will meet...I promise...X I couldn't fill a Limo with like minded folk friend......honest. That's after 45 years of looking after people since aged 5 when me and me little siss were on our own really. YOU...are welcome and i'd gladly sit in the back with you anytime.....which I never do!x I will take this opportunity to thank Mike too...for 'tolerating' my meanderings....!x There have been numerous folk out there who have joined the site since I became 'active' on here. They are from various interest groups. It is my chill out zone of choice....but have to be mindful of their interests too at all times. So forgive my 'scattiness'...but it makes sense to some out there.....who also count!x

@@

~

 

Thank you Patto....for making the effort to speak up and show your appreciation of my input which is and will be 'unique'.....your 1 in a million......perhaps in 3 million over me time....soulful stuff...!x We should celebrate with a BIGGGGG PARTY....i'm thinking on it.,,,and been further inspired......I reckon!x

 

LUV

SOOTY

X

 

[Zed1]

 

 

Anyway, I bought a pair of denim patch work baggies once. Came down stairs and me elderly mum saw me and said "Our lad, you look like a proper twat in them".

 

 

 

Shame some haven't got a Mum like that today, Pete!!...

Edited September 26, 2013 by Zed1

[Alison H]

That bird is one of the scenes most genuine and lovely people who lives and breathes Northern Soul along with her husband . ... trying to publicly humiliate such a nice person , our soul sister , is in my opinion lower than low ....

.... & Steve is one of the nicest & genuine blokes on this scene, & wouldn't have meant anything malicious by it. I know Pete & Susan too, they're fabulous, but even I chuckled at the bloomers. I'm sure Susan doesn't give two hoots what people think about her pantaloons, as she wouldn't be putting them on show in the first place, if she did. I personally feel she was having a giggle with us & I commend her for it.

Regards

Ali x

[Paulb]

Bloody hell Paul, you certainly changed your tune mate. Sorry I still can't do smileys on't thigh pad.

Ha ha! I know, total turn around but had to make up for my early criminal error of slagging something I've not seen!

Re bags, they are awful things. The only bit I didn't like was the young souls bit. They have got it about as wrong as you can get it.

[Patto]

Patto......we will meet...I promise...X I couldn't fill a Limo with like minded folk friend......honest. That's after 45 years of looking after people since aged 5 when me and me little siss were on our own really. YOU...are welcome and i'd gladly sit in the back with you anytime.....which I never do!x I will take this opportunity to thank Mike too...for 'tolerating' my meanderings....!x There have been numerous folk out there who have joined the site since I became 'active' on here. They are from various interest groups. It is my chill out zone of choice....but have to be mindful of their interests too at all times. So forgive my 'scattiness'...but it makes sense to some out there.....who also count!x

@@

~

 

Thank you Patto....for making the effort to speak up and show your appreciation of my input which is and will be 'unique'.....your 1 in a million......perhaps in 3 million over me time....soulful stuff...!x We should celebrate with a BIGGGGG PARTY....i'm thinking on it.,,,and been further inspired......I reckon!x

 

LUV

SOOTY

X

 

 

Nice one Sooty respect where respects due mate not kissing arse just loved most of your posts, Like i said CHARACTERS needed

[Patto]

.... & Steve is one of the nicest & genuine blokes on this scene, & wouldn't have meant anything malicious by it. I know Pete & Susan too, they're fabulous, but even I chuckled at the bloomers. I'm sure Susan doesn't give two hoots what people think about her pantaloons, as she wouldn't be putting them on show in the first place, if she did. I personally feel she was having a giggle with us & I commend her for it.

Regards

Ali x

 

Yeh and Pete is one of the best a great soul man who realy GETS IT

[Peter99]

Shame some haven't got a Mum like that today, Pete!!...

Isn't it just mate.

 

She was very special in lots of ways was me mam. She just let me get on with me weekends away - I always finished work early on a Friday to make sure we could be off all nitering somewhere. We never had much but she'd ensure that me - and any of me mates who turned up,  had a nice Friday tea before we set off - the best chicken and chips ever.

 

Peter

[Len]

Sooty

 

i need the misery slapping out of me as much as Len.

 

Patto

 

Hi mate,

 

I’m not miserable — honest!  I (like the rest of us) care that’s all…..Here’s a couple of scenarios that may help some of these ‘young ones’ understand my take on ‘it’…..and hope some of you can relate, ref what ‘Citizen P’ touched upon earlier…..

 

….It was the mid 80’s and I was a 14 year old Mod, pretty ‘plastic’ and right at the beginning of my ‘apprenticeship’ - Me and my mates attended a Soul Night at The Dog and Duck in Wellingborough, and basically my mates got out of hand. They were being ‘young and stupid’, generally messing around, including on the dance floor - I wasn’t (I never have ‘fitted in’) but I was well aware that their behaviour just wasn’t right, and I was also well aware of my ‘elders’, that were all around us…..

 

It got to a ‘point’, and this older guy came over and really bellowed at the lot of us (I’m guessing we were too young for him to kick the out sh*t of) I was devastated by this, yet my mates (although quietened down a little) didn’t really seem fazed by it…..We all went to sit down, my mates still being loud and stupid, but I was really uncomfortable…..a short while past, then out of the corner of my eye I noticed this Guy coming over (Panic)……He gently put his hand on my shoulder and simply said….“Hey mate, relax I know it wasn’t you, it was ya stupid mates, you’re alright”, gave me a smile and walked off….It was something I didn’t expect, and had never experienced, and it felt good (although confusing at the time)

 

‘Part 2’        

 

…….Fast forward a short few years, and I was D.Jing at The North Park in Kettering, it must have been one of the first spots I had done at a proper Soul Night, I was mainly D.Jing on the local Mod Scene at that time. It was a rough old place, as were most Working Men’s Clubs back then, and I can still remember the bar strip lights, that showed a ‘silhouette’ of people’s shapes as I walked in, clouded by the thick tobacco smoke….this was different…this was intimidating……..

 

My time came so off I went to D.J, and during my set I played ‘Curtis - How Can I Tell Her’….. not really the best choice for a Club like that at that time, and it kinda caused a ‘wave’ of grumbles (Ok, there was no ‘kinda’, it did - big time!) and lots left the dance floor…. inside I felt close to tears, but carried on (as ya do)……I still didn’t ‘really’ understand the Soul Scene……In the middle of my next record, this guy lent over the decks (not forgetting I was still ‘coming to terms’ with the ‘Curtis’ fall out) and shouted me over….”Here mate” (all seeming very aggressive to me)……”Was that Curtis you just f*ckin played?”……. (Oh gawd, I thought)…….”Yes” (I shouted as gruffly as I could)….I was dreading what he was going to say next…..he then reached across the decks, and shouted…. .“f*cking nice one!”….just as a really friendly smile appeared, that seemed to come from ‘deep inside’, shook my hand, and off he went….

 

.....In hindsight, he saw what had happened - he was someone that travelled, and wanted to acknowledge the said record - almost sticking his fingers up to those who didn’t appreciate it (The ‘60’s people against Modern’ thing was still raging at that time, so you can imagine how the ‘Boo Boo, Boo Boo’’s at the beginning of 'Curtis' went down, and they go on for a while!)  ….. Anyway - Same thing - ‘it felt good (although confusing at the time)’

 

……I ‘now’ know why he seemed aggressive / intense / with eyes that were ‘’locked’ on to me as he was talking - it was passion (amongst other things)…..I honestly think that was the first ‘Northern Soul Hand Shake’ that I had received - It all makes sense now!  

 

All the best,

 

Len  

 

[Geeselad]

I enjoyed the programme. I was pleased the records shown were originals. Overall everyone put their points over well and honestly.

The comments about the Northern Soul Scene being like the rave scene of the 90's i did not agree with.

Bit like comparing a round of golf at St Andrews with pitch and putt at the park! The quality is totally different!

you obviously know nowt about house music, you're right in some ways though, go compare 'cc Rodgers or Mass order to say, 'phillly dog around the world' or 'the peanut duck' Northern soul is obviously far more shallow and trite than house. But then again I'm prone to sweeping generalisations about a music scene I know nothing about, just like you.  

[Wiganer1]

how long can the old fellas keep going till they have a stroke ?

yep til we drop dead ,,

[Soulfinger]

 The only bit I didn't like was the young souls bit. They have got it about as wrong as you can get it.

 

Think you're way off there mate. I have been going to Highfield since they started and have seen Jordan, Ben and Danny dj elsewhere too. I love their full on enthusiasm and their amazing and ever increasing knowledge of the music. So they dress a bit seventies. They're happy, what harm does it do? If not for them, who'll be on the floor in 20 years time?

[Ric-tic]

 ...and NO frank wilson 

 

 

 

 

or russ winstanley  

[pogo paul]

15 minutes was alright, the other was pure comedy!

No mention of the 80s scene?

Seems to me Wigan Casino was the death of the true underground movement, certain people mass marketed n. soul for their own ends,all the bull that went with that is back and whats left today.

You didn't have to wear n.soul  t-shirts or n.soul tats all over you to be into the music? and then the dancing, you do what you want, what did she say , you're missing one step?

Everyone dressing the same doing the same dance, stick to line dancing

Edited September 26, 2013 by pogo paul

[Paulb]

Think you're way off there mate. I have been going to Highfield since they started and have seen Jordan, Ben and Danny dj elsewhere too. I love their full on enthusiasm and their amazing and ever increasing knowledge of the music. So they dress a bit seventies. They're happy, what harm does it do? If not for them, who'll be on the floor in 20 years time?

No offense meant, I'm sure they are nice lads. Each to their own I suppose.

[Soulfinger]

No offense meant, I'm sure they are nice lads. Each to their own I suppose.

 

None taken.   I remember Dulcimer in its previous incarnation as Quarmbys when I used to buy records there in the 60's.

[Daz Watson]

on tonite @ 2200hrs

 

 

here's  a thread and a poll where you can quickly pass on your view and/or rating of tonights BBC2 Culture Show - Northern Soul - Keeping The Faith ....

 

 

have done the poll on a rating scale of 1-5

5 being along the lines of tip top 

1 being along the lines of ffs

 

feel free to post your views as well as your rating

 

[Guest Krissii]

Thought it was really good . Down to earth and not the usual arty bbc2 fodder . Liked the bloke . Thought he was a good sort and loved how he gave it his all dancing on camera and what came across as his very genuine reactions to soul do . Good

[Ian Dewhirst]

The comments about the Northern Soul Scene being like the rave scene of the 90's i did not agree with.

Bit like comparing a round of golf at St Andrews with pitch and putt at the park! The quality is totally different!

 

Please bear in mind the way the program was edited which didn't necessarily have time to deal with the complete context of all those sound bites. The point was that there has always been a parallel between fast music and the drugs du jour whatever the decade. Essentially most types of uptempo dance music since the 60's have generally had a drug of choice whether it was speed in the 60's and 70's, coke and E in the 80's, Ketamin in the 90's or MDMA in the 00's.

 

So 70's Northern Soul = speed and late 80's House = E. 

 

The BPM and age group was essentially the same. That's not in any way trying to compare the music but rather the sociological circumstances.

 

They could have used a lot of other stuff but they chose that which is OK by me. I never took drugs when I was into Northern Soul, but I was in the minority. 

 

Ian D 

[Guest Gogs]

As many others have stated it was only a 1/2 hour long, but i enjoyed it, as did my Mrs and my son who even recognized most of the tracks played (not artists or labels,, but his favorite used to be Tommy Hunt- Loving on the losing side so he's not all bad lol)(wasn't going to add this but  the wife's favorite is DILYIID but at least she has met Kenny and heard him playing it).  

i gave it 4/5.

Gogs

Edited September 26, 2013 by Gogs

[Brent]

Dear BBC

 

Who was it in your vast bloated empire that thought last nights culture show was a good idea,

What's to celebrate about the opening of Wigan Casino ?

 

As a former members of the Drug Squad we can tell you there was nothing at all to celebrate "back in the day".

Let us tell you what really happened. Hundreds of little toe rags from all over the country would descend on Wigan.

They would burglarise all the chemist shops within a thirty mile radius before going to the all nighter.

They would then abandon stolen cars all over Wigan before proceeding to nick another car for the journey home.

 

We see no cause for celebration the thieving little bleeders should have been birched !!.

 

Yours Sincerely

Messer's Cream & Turner (ex Manchester Drug Squad)

 

P.S. I'm surprised you didn't add insult to injury by featuring that B*stard Kegsy

 

Dear Detective Constable Warmesley or " Cream " as you were known to your friends in Bolton K Division

 

Being one of those " little bleeders"   It Has Taken Many years to Find you ....

 

 I Have had a Mystery that i think you and your collegue Det Constable Turner may be able to shed a bit of light on......     

 

You May remember that you busted me in 1974 with 50  Phenmetrazine Theoclate tablets ( FILON ) .......     How come when i got to court 45 of them had gone Missing ?????     

 

Yours....... Still Puzzled   ....   B

Edited September 27, 2013 by brent

[SHEFFSOUL]

well..i'll chuck my two penneth in..it had a resonance of the 1977 doc..in that it disappointed..sorry..(i remember feeling very disappointed in '77 when i watched this England air.).this was a decent effort but, every filmic attempt still has a comedy element..it reminded me at times of those awful rock n roll reunions where really old buggers still dressed like teenagers.No programme, film or otherwise has ever successfully managed to transmit just how cool it was to be into northern soul 1972-74 possibly 75.Any one not into northern can do a daft impression of a northern soul fan ( like flat caps and pigeons)..never the cool stuff..it was a decent effort and explains some of the complexities of NS especially to those who are unfamiliar , particularly americans..but always falls short.You need the arena production team to do it justice..highlights..Dave Withers, and the young souls..lows..the fancy dress aspect and i found the scottish girls comments way off the mark..Kung fu?..bollocks!!!..the dance moves came from UK hipsters imitating the soul performers of the 60's..(ps Searling always comes across well)..5/10...could do better..

[Brent]

Watched it ......  Was Entertained .....      Enjoyed it ?       Went to bed ...    got up still feeling proud to be a Soulie and a gentleman.......      Went on soul source  Saw comments in poor taste, critical of.... and insulting to ..... dear friends, posted by keyboard warriors..         Going to bed tonight      ....   Not as proud as last night.        Might feel better tomoz if  said  people grow a pair and say sorry for offending a Lady.         

 

overall    Tv show   4 out of 5     too  short

 

               Tasteless Comments     0 out of 5

 

               Pete and Sue               6 out of 5         Bonus point for  Passion, Dedication and Soul....

 

              Regards and Respect  ...................     Brent.

[Guest chrislokeh]

Too many circle skirts

They always seem to portray us like that,skirts and trousers its so far from the truth.But on a positive note Paul and Elaine showed the passion in Northern Soul

[Kegsy]

Dear Detective Constable Warmesley or " Cream " as you were known to your friends in Bolton K Division

 

Being one of those " little bleeders"   It Has Taken Many years to Find you ....

 

 I Have had a Mystery that i think you and your collegue Det Constable Turner may be able to shed a bit of light on......     

 

You May remember that you busted me in 1974 with 50  Phenmetrazine Theoclate tablets ( FILON ) .......     How come when i got to court 45 of them had gone Missing ?????     

 

Yours....... Still Puzzled   ....   B

 

 

Dear B

 

Only 5 turned up in court because you only had 50 now if you had had 1000 maybe we would

have turned up with 50 in court.

P.S. Next time we bust you please have the decency to have some Bombers or Red & Browns.

 

 

Lots of Love

D.C. Cream & D.C. Turner

[dedji1955]

Like Brent I watched it and was entertained by it..I was against the filming and was at all 3 Nighters

I know Pete and Sue and whilst we are not the greatest of friends there is no doubting the passion and love they share for the music, unlike lots of the keyboard warriors on Soul Source they are out every weekend at Soul Nights, dayers and nighters

Whilst the comments on SS are uncalled for they where expected, what the hell have the clothes some of us choose to wear got to do with things and yet SS is obsessed with this fact

I have heard comments like the young souls need to form their own identity. I know most of them and class them as my friends and they do have their own identity, anyone in doubt should visit The Black Bee in Manchester

Some folks say they all dance the same, not true the variation in dance styles and dress codes is greater that it has ever been and anyone getting out n about would be aware of this

People have questioned how long can the old souls dance for, visit The Twisted Wheel in Manchester where you will see some origianal Soul folks who have been on the scene since the 60s and are still doing their thing on the dance floor

The programme was not perfect but was a lot better than expected, my biggest dissapointment was that it appaered to say you needed to be on drugs and working class white..I was Black when I went to the first Casino Nighter in 74 and still am

I am 58 and from Wigan although it was not the first Nighter I went to and like most of you I am sick of hearing about The 40th Anniversaries, but not as sick as the relentless unwarranted attacks on people for the way they dress and the music they choose to dance to that appear constantly on SS

Fred!

[Dave Rimmer]

4 out of 5 from me. It's probably as good as you are going to get in 30 minutes.

 

I know Pete & Susan, not well, but enough to know they are out there every weekend, so they are part of the 'Northern Soul Scene', just as I am. What they wear is irrelevent.

 

Loved Paul Mason's depreciating humour, especially the bit where he was talking about the Soul night being full of overweight 50+ blokes, and then said actually, it isn't like that at all, but we can soon do something about that, and then walked in. The part where he had just come off the dancefloor was great too. How many documentaries have you seen where the presenter has tried to dance ? This guy had been DANCING, he was covered in sweat and out of breath !

 

Also thought the shots of him spinning in different places was classic TV. He obviously has done this programme as a labour of love, and spent time thinking about this show when he should have been doing other things.

 

Soul music is like a virus that we were all injected with at the beginning of our teens. It may lie dormant for a while, but it's still there, and will reappear at some point in everyone's life. It never leaves you, and that is what I saw on TV, a guy discovering that the joy of listening to, and dancing to Soul music never goes away.

[Dave Rimmer]

I was Black when I went to the first Casino Nighter in 74 and still am

 

Fred!

 

     

 

Nice one Fred

[Guest spikeybob]

Speaking as a (dread I say it !)) returnee to the scene, very much like Paul Mason. Up till 12 months ago I had been out of the scene for 30 odd years but after dancing for the last year, I can agree with all he said at the end. The music feels the same & the way I feel when I'm dancing is the same, just like it did 30 years ago. It wasn't the whizz the made it the "best night ever" . It was the people, the music, & the passion involved & I think the program did translate that to an extent, although I dreaded my Mum finding out about the drug side of it !

As it happens, as I work nights, she had seen it before I. I dropped her off some milk on my way home & waited for the backlash !!!!

She looked at me & said "now I understand why you go to these soul nights, it all makes sense" She's 82 bless her !

So imho the programme has done some good as it has explained to the uninitiated just why we do it !!!!!!!

If I hadn't returned to the scene, this programme would have made me want to. Maybe we'll see some old/new faces around because of it ? What with Elaines film coming soon as well, dance floors may get a bit busy.

I give it 4 outta 5, just 'cos nothings perfect ! Bob

[Winnie :-)]

A couple of points. I don't think anyone was getting at the couple featured in the program. They are obviously very nice people and love the music and the scene. I think most of the negative comments were because the program makers portrayed them as the norm on national television. Thereby giving the wrong impression to the non soul loving masses.

The other thing I don't understand is this. Why do the young souls feel the need to wear the old mid seventies fashions? Are they just copying their parents? Or do they feel they need a uniform to show that "we are into northern"?

On a personal level, back in the seventies, me and my mates were very much fashion victims. We would never have been seen dead in the baggies once they had gone out. I would rather have seen the youngsters wearing today's fashions myself.

I agree with the part about the youngsters, but if they walked into a venue with their underpants showing over the top of skater jeans, they'd probably be viewed with suspicion, and almost definitely have the pi*s taken out of them. I don't wear 'the uniform' myself, and in the past I've been critical of those who do, but thinking about it for a moment, what are we supposed to wear and who decides? Trousers and a shirt? Jeans and T-Shirt? A mix and match. Can the shirt have a logo? It's a minefield, and if we've got to please the fashionistas before we begin to enjoy the night and the music, what chance have we got? 

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I agree with the part about the youngsters, but if they walked into a venue with their underpants showing over the top of skater jeans, they'd probably be viewed with suspicion, and almost definitely have the pi*s taken out of them. I don't wear 'the uniform' myself, and in the past I've been critical of those who do, but thinking about it for a moment, what are we supposed to wear and who decides? Trousers and a shirt? Jeans and T-Shirt? A mix and match. Can the shirt have a logo? It's a minefield, and if we've got to please the fashionistas before we begin to enjoy the night and the music, what chance have we got? 

it could be worse,we could all be naked,lol...now there's a half hour show,we wouldn't want on tv.