Pete S Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 Just saw this on Ebay. Handy looking machine. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WARPED-VINYL-RECORDS-REPAIRS-FURUTECH-DF-2-/231059942654?pt=UK_WSJL_Wholesale_GL&hash=item35cc3eecfe
Dave Thorley Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 (edited) More info on the machine they use.......... it's about $2000 to buy This mark 2 version of the Furutech vinyl LP flattener is better than ever. Any warped 12" singles or LPs can be brought back to their original state using this device. Well worth the investment to restore your vinyl to pristine condition. Ultimate Performance - Ultimate Refinement - Ultimate Luxury Every vinyl enthusiast has records in their collection, or has come across LPs they’d love to own, that were just too warped for any cartridge/arm to track. The DF-2 is the one-stop, one-button solution to your problems! The DF-2 provides controlled-heat, perfect flattening to all your warped records - even those with only slight irregularities that are just enough to unsettle your cartridge and cause mis-tracking. Warps are bad news no matter how you look at it. If the arm/cartridge remains parallel to the LP’s surface (as with a flat record), VTA (Vertical Tracking Angle) remains unchanged throughout every rotation. Additionally, as the arm/cartridge tracks a warp on its upside, it places greater pressure on the stylus which changes VTF (Vertical Tracking Force) until the peak of the warp, whereupon the cartridge becomes “unloaded” with too little VTF on the way down. Of course, all this muddles the sound; changing the tonal quality, imaging and soundstage characteristics of the cartridge. A flat record also tracks better with less distortion. The DF-2 doesn’t take up much room with its space-saving, vertical storage design. Improved film heating technology optimises the entire heating and cooling cycle for a perfectly flat LP that your cartridge, and you, will love. Just lay the DF-2 flat, open and place the LP on the guides, close and tap a single button. An LCD keeps you informed of its progress, with a tone sounding when the process is complete. The DF-2 is an upgraded version of the original DFV-1.“Furutech applies scientific methodologies, perfectly sane engineering and pretty fanatical execution to all of its products.” -- Srajan Ebaen, 6moons.com“… After a session with the DFV-1, it was flat” “… I found the DFV-1 Disc Flattener effective for banishing warps from LPs” -- Michael Fremer, Stereophile October 2007“…The Furutech DFV-1 performed exactly as advertised and I can say that I wouldn‘t change a thing about it” -- John Potis, 6moons October 2007“…The DFV-1 flattened any warped LP I threw at, no matter the weight or warping, and did so without damaging the LP in any way I could see or hear” -- John Crossett, Soundstage September 2007 Rating 115V±10% AC Line 2A fuse European model 230V±10% AC Line 2A fuse Energy Consumption 100W (max) 25W (Norm) Heating plate maximum temp. 65Ž Size: 445mm/17” W x 117mm/20” H x 547mm/7” D - Weight: 11kg/20lbs approx. Safe Usage Environment: Humidity 20% - 90% (No condensation) Temperature: 5C/41F — 35C/95F IMPORTANT: The following LPs should not be treated in the DF-2: 1) LPs weighing less than 110g. 2) Light LPs that were manufactured between 1973-74 (Oil crisis) weights range from 100g to 115g. Please get in touch for preferred payment methods for this item, as we may offer a discount for a payment method that does not incur any transaction fee. FREE AUDIOPHILE-GRADE MAINS POWER LEAD WITH ALL PURCHASES. A review of the Furutech DF-2 Another review of the DF-2 A review of the DF-2 from Hi-Fi World Edited September 23, 2013 by Dave Thorley 1
Mike Lofthouse Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 do you know I don't think I've had any warped 12" LPs - lots of 7" singles but not LP's
Peter99 Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 More info on the machine they use.......... it's about $2000 to buy This mark 2 version of the Furutech vinyl LP flattener is better than ever. Any warped 12" singles or LPs can be brought back to their original state using this device. Well worth the investment to restore your vinyl to pristine condition. Ultimate Performance - Ultimate Refinement - Ultimate Luxury Every vinyl enthusiast has records in their collection, or has come across LPs they’d love to own, that were just too warped for any cartridge/arm to track. The DF-2 is the one-stop, one-button solution to your problems! The DF-2 provides controlled-heat, perfect flattening to all your warped records - even those with only slight irregularities that are just enough to unsettle your cartridge and cause mis-tracking. Warps are bad news no matter how you look at it. If the arm/cartridge remains parallel to the LP’s surface (as with a flat record), VTA (Vertical Tracking Angle) remains unchanged throughout every rotation. Additionally, as the arm/cartridge tracks a warp on its upside, it places greater pressure on the stylus which changes VTF (Vertical Tracking Force) until the peak of the warp, whereupon the cartridge becomes “unloaded” with too little VTF on the way down. Of course, all this muddles the sound; changing the tonal quality, imaging and soundstage characteristics of the cartridge. A flat record also tracks better with less distortion. The DF-2 doesn’t take up much room with its space-saving, vertical storage design. Improved film heating technology optimises the entire heating and cooling cycle for a perfectly flat LP that your cartridge, and you, will love. Just lay the DF-2 flat, open and place the LP on the guides, close and tap a single button. An LCD keeps you informed of its progress, with a tone sounding when the process is complete. The DF-2 is an upgraded version of the original DFV-1.“Furutech applies scientific methodologies, perfectly sane engineering and pretty fanatical execution to all of its products.” -- Srajan Ebaen, 6moons.com“… After a session with the DFV-1, it was flat” “… I found the DFV-1 Disc Flattener effective for banishing warps from LPs” -- Michael Fremer, Stereophile October 2007“…The Furutech DFV-1 performed exactly as advertised and I can say that I wouldn‘t change a thing about it” -- John Potis, 6moons October 2007“…The DFV-1 flattened any warped LP I threw at, no matter the weight or warping, and did so without damaging the LP in any way I could see or hear” -- John Crossett, Soundstage September 2007 Rating 115V±10% AC Line 2A fuse European model 230V±10% AC Line 2A fuse Energy Consumption 100W (max) 25W (Norm) Heating plate maximum temp. 65Ž Size: 445mm/17” W x 117mm/20” H x 547mm/7” D - Weight: 11kg/20lbs approx. Safe Usage Environment: Humidity 20% - 90% (No condensation) Temperature: 5C/41F — 35C/95F IMPORTANT: The following LPs should not be treated in the DF-2: 1) LPs weighing less than 110g. 2) Light LPs that were manufactured between 1973-74 (Oil crisis) weights range from 100g to 115g. Please get in touch for preferred payment methods for this item, as we may offer a discount for a payment method that does not incur any transaction fee. FREE AUDIOPHILE-GRADE MAINS POWER LEAD WITH ALL PURCHASES. A review of the Furutech DF-2 Another review of the DF-2 A review of the DF-2 from Hi-Fi World Sheeat Dave! You sound like a professor of academia! Interesting stuff though buddy. Peter
Popular Post Dave Rimmer Posted September 23, 2013 Popular Post Posted September 23, 2013 Sheeat Dave! You sound like a professor of academia! Interesting stuff though buddy. Peter No he doesn't, he sounds like someone who understands what 'copy & paste' means 5
Peter99 Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 No he doesn't, he sounds like someone who understands what 'copy & paste' means You're a bugger you are Dave! 1
Dave Thorley Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 You're a bugger you are Dave! but he's right 2
Peter99 Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 but he's right I was just being kind. I know a bull shit when I see one! Still, credit where credit is due - it took some effort to reproduce that stuff, and it was interesting.
Benji Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 do you know I don't think I've had any warped 12" LPs - lots of 7" singles but not LP's Once had the Sam Dees LP on Atlantic given to me as a present from someone I wouldn't expect to give me any presents. Record turned out to be badly warped
Benji Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 but he's right Dave, do you know which device Brad Hales is using? That's a very effective one.
Dave Thorley Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 (edited) Dave, do you know which device Brad Hales is using? That's a very effective one. I thought his was Japanese, I'll ask him Edited September 23, 2013 by Dave Thorley
Benji Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 I bought two records Brad flattened for a customer. According to the seller both were warped and unplayable. Now they're flat and play absolutely fine. One no warp at all. The other one hardly noticeable. So whatever magical machine Brad uses, it does the trick.
Louise Posted September 23, 2013 Posted September 23, 2013 (edited) Whatever happened to that old tradition method of using a steam iron and tea towel ? Dave Edited September 23, 2013 by Louise 3
Val (Chunky) Posted September 24, 2013 Posted September 24, 2013 No that's called ironing Dave......I Think 2
boba Posted September 24, 2013 Posted September 24, 2013 most dewarping machines don't work that well on 7"s. brad specializes in 7"s so he has more experience on what to do. you can actually make a record less playable by flattening it as the grooves are distorted once the record is warped. when you flatten it you don't un-distort the grooves. so instead of the needle just jerking up and down, it can have a much more pronounced jerk back-and-forth. so the record will be flat but won't be trackable as the needle will jerk back and forth too sharply, whereas before you could make it track with extra force when it was mostly going up and down. this most commonly happens with heat warps.
Val (Chunky) Posted September 24, 2013 Posted September 24, 2013 I would agree with that Bob especially on badly warped records. If it plays l would leave it alone.
Mach Posted September 24, 2013 Posted September 24, 2013 (edited) edit Edited September 25, 2013 by Mach
Dave Thorley Posted September 24, 2013 Posted September 24, 2013 most dewarping machines don't work that well on 7"s. brad specializes in 7"s so he has more experience on what to do. you can actually make a record less playable by flattening it as the grooves are distorted once the record is warped. when you flatten it you don't un-distort the grooves. so instead of the needle just jerking up and down, it can have a much more pronounced jerk back-and-forth. so the record will be flat but won't be trackable as the needle will jerk back and forth too sharply, whereas before you could make it track with extra force when it was mostly going up and down. this most commonly happens with heat warps. Bob's right, if you have a heat warp, your find the grooves have slightly stretched and if it plays leave it alone. Brad always says he can't do anything on these. He only works on records with storage warps, these even fairly severe ones can be improved..
Picky Posted September 25, 2013 Posted September 25, 2013 Just saw this on Ebay. Handy looking machine. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WARPED-VINYL-RECORDS-REPAIRS-FURUTECH-DF-2-/231059942654?pt=UK_WSJL_Wholesale_GL&hash=item35cc3eecfe This is a Japanese product which can be used for 12"s or LPs but NOT for singles. My friend told me that he has tried this machine and found his warped LP completely became flat without warp any longer. Very good machine but expensive even in Japan. Hope a Japanese company release the same machine for the singes in future.
dthedrug Posted September 25, 2013 Posted September 25, 2013 HI ALL A year ago, I thought I had sussed out a cheap way to solve most edge warps that cause much annoyance when we try to play a record, with the use of a hand held steamer that I got from Lidles for £25, initial successes made me believe I had cracked this problem, however it is more like hit & miss 50 - 50 as I did not take in account the different plastics that are used, I would not dismiss the concept, but needs more research to make it reliable, TRY IT WITH CARE DAVE K
Platters 81 Posted September 25, 2013 Posted September 25, 2013 my Servicemen on Chartmaker is well warped..but plays if i get the right arm pressure....which i check every time i play it......i would need a lot of convincing before i tried to have if unwarped. .i dont think its a heat warp........
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