Letting Drunk's In Venue's After The Pub's Shut ?

[cress]

Would like people and promoters view's on this , was at Easington sat nt , great place great people ! BUT WHY OH WHY when all the other pub's shut, the down-stair's bar close's and people who are obviously a lot worse for wear do you allow them in ,i sorted a bus out for 16 people and this was the main topic on the way home.... They were drinking, spilling drinks on the dance floor ,  taking the piss out of every one , no one told them to behave or to leave ??? so why let them in ??  of all the flyer's on the wall's , why not one saying NO ENTRY AFTER 10.30 !!!!   

[Kevinkent]

Would like people and promoters view's on this , was at Easington sat nt , great place great people ! BUT WHY OH WHY when all the other pub's shut, the down-stair's bar close's and people who are obviously a lot worse for wear do you allow them in ,i sorted a bus out for 16 people and this was the main topic on the way home.... They were drinking, spilling drinks on the dance floor ,  taking the piss out of every one , no one told them to behave or to leave ??? so why let them in ??  of all the flyer's on the wall's , why not one saying NO ENTRY AFTER 10.30 !!!!   

 

 

Totally agree. This just shouldn't happen and repeat occurences could well see support dwindling - as happened at another venue recently.  Down to the promoter to call a halt to it. That said, when I dj'd I would sometimes clear drinking dancers off the floor using the mike - once had to get off the decks and do it face to face which was a pity but hey-ho.

 

 - Kev

Edited September 8, 2013 by KevinKent

[Peter99]

Totally agree. This just shouldn't happen and repeat occurences could well see support dwindling - as happened at another venue recently.  Down to the promoter to call a halt to it. That said, when I dj'd I would sometimes clear drinking dancers off the floor using the mike - once had to get off the decks and do it face to face which was a pity but hey-ho.

 

 - Kev

 

[Casper]

if its a "soul night"  then 99% of soul people will be there by 10.00 pm at the latest  , with only the odd one who could not make it till late .. ( and they are probably known soul people and would be allowed in anyway)  .. so 10.00 pm is a good starting point , it is also down to the people on the door who really should know who is who .. a promoter should man the door from start to finish to make every effort to control who is coming in , also with appointed deputies within the night to keep a check on how the night is running and possible trouble  spots  ... most of which would be removed at source with proper door managment .. for every drunk allowed in say goodbye to at least two true people next time  !

 

pete

[Steve S 60]

Brought this up in a recent discussion "What Gives A Soul Night Direction - Punters Or Promoters?" (Post 74) and had a few responses including bringing in members only or ticket only nights.  Personally I agree with closing the doors at a reasonable time (10-30 / 11 ish), as long as this is advertised on the flyers.

[Staceys Dad]

they really are a pain in the arse....but near the end of the night a few promoters have left the door,so the drunks just walk in.

[Sammy Seaman]

agree with the 10 30 ruling thats the policy we have at the venues i dj at (ksc nottingly)there are 2 very large gentleman on the door (trained)who do not let anybody who is the worst for drink,hence we now have no trouble with drunks who do not abide by our rules,the cost of the security should be incorporated in the admission charge, am sure nobody would moan at an extra £1 to know that they can enjoy there night without the hassle from drunks,

[MrsWoodsrules]

I usually get in okay 

[Paddy Ferry]

Greed has a little bit to do with it.

[NEV]

Would like people and promoters view's on this , was at Easington sat nt , great place great people ! BUT WHY OH WHY when all the other pub's shut, the down-stair's bar close's and people who are obviously a lot worse for wear do you allow them in ,i sorted a bus out for 16 people and this was the main topic on the way home.... They were drinking, spilling drinks on the dance floor , taking the piss out of every one , no one told them to behave or to leave ??? so why let them in ?? of all the flyer's on the wall's , why not one saying NO ENTRY AFTER 10.30 !!!!

Probably because some people think its quantity v quality .

Numbers on the clicker help when your posting feedback about how much of a success the night was ...and hey ho ,the camera doesn't lie when your posting pics of how rammed it was

[Upthejunction]

Think Mark at Nuneaton had a few problems along these lines earlier on,  but he has been strong and sorted it out proper :-)  !!!

[Mike Lofthouse]

Well I would guess that when they let them in they were not 'obviously a lot worse for wear' and it was not until they got in that they started  'drinking, spilling drinks on the dance floor , taking the piss out of every one'.    It's one thing running a Soul night and another fighting with a load of pissed hard cases in  a place like Easington - some of whom will be regulars in the venue when Soul nights are not being run. 

[Julie Moore]

Had a couple in Banbury Soul Club last night ..............................Went and asked said girls if they would plz take their drinks off the dancefloor as if they spill it it will go sticky ....................................they obliged immediatley ........................not another problem 

[Guest manusf3a]

Think Mark at Nuneaton had a few problems along these lines earlier on,  but he has been strong and sorted it out proper :-)  !!!

few nuneatons back I thought the sign on the desk plainly and clearly saying PRIVATE PARTY quite effective and though by no means a total solution I would bet it did keep a few inebriated Me want more beer,beer giv uz beer", types from ascending the stairs up into the nighter.

[Guest Polyvelts]

Bring back members only, loads of venues advertise themselves as so and so soul CLUB.

[ricticman]

promoters point of view ; I've run a Soul night in Bridgwater for the last 12 years. It's only a pokey little night, but we've had to move at least once, because the original place was just too small to fit everyone in. 

 

But # 1 criteria in picking the venue was making sure it was away from the main town centre, and with loads of safe parking; ie so we never ever get any walk-ups once the pubs close.

 

That and having a solid base of sussed up South west Soulies who would quickly sort out any numpties and berties who think it's all ok to come in an pratt about and potentially mess the night up.

 

And if they don't sort it, then some of their blokes will !

 

pete

[Casper]

 ...and hey ho ,the camera doesn't lie when your posting pics of how rammed it was

not always true .. depends on what time of the night the pictures were taken , if early then it can look a little sparse , where as later when in full flow the photographer may well have put their cammera away because its too crowded ... on the other hand a close cropped shot can lie too as it does not show the full picture so to speak ,so it can look full , but was not ... better to just tell the truth as a promoter , why lie?   it serves no one and the people who were there and reading a comment  know the truth

 

pete

[Chalky]

Too many promoters just don't care, all they see is a fiver or tenner etc going in the tin. How many of these employ security which is required by law as far as I know? I've been to many nights wi no security at all.

Time memberships were brought back.

[Chalky]

... better to just tell the truth as a promoter , why lie?   it serves no one and the people who were there and reading a comment  know the truth  pete

If the words about how full it was and how good it was come from the promoter I take no notice of it. Many reviews are a complete waist of time and often dishonest, I read them and think I must have been at a different venue.

But if promoters keep letting drunks in and upsetting the real punters it will simply drive them away and maybe it will be good for the scene as a whole as there are far too many venues as it is.

[Jim G]

Put signs up 'Admission After XXX Time Is £15 NO EXCEPTIONS' - it will scare most of them away

[toc]

I help promote a couple of venues where sammy has just posted and it is a problem to sort out , the typical drunk who just wants topping up is a pain in the arse and our policy is we don't allow admission after 11pm , normally it works but I have seen young lads just walk thro and don't give a monkeys who's there , as for promoters who don't care then that's up to the soulies to sort out , they would care if u stopped going for a few times , they would have to sort it then eh , problems we don't need but sometimes get , solution ?? We can only do our best , keep putting signs up and hopefully the piss eds get the point , cheers toc

[KevH]

Greed has a little bit to do with it.

 

The venue owner's bar takings you mean.A lot of venue's rely on it to stay open.

Regarding the original post - what age group were the p*ssheads.? Are they 40+,or young guns.?

[Kev Cane]

Would like people and promoters view's on this , was at Easington sat nt , great place great people ! BUT WHY OH WHY when all the other pub's shut, the down-stair's bar close's and people who are obviously a lot worse for wear do you allow them in ,i sorted a bus out for 16 people and this was the main topic on the way home.... They were drinking, spilling drinks on the dance floor ,  taking the piss out of every one , no one told them to behave or to leave ??? so why let them in ??  of all the flyer's on the wall's , why not one saying NO ENTRY AFTER 10.30 !!!!   

Only been a few times Cressy, and that was the over riding thought each time, piss heads in later on, spoils the night mate

 

Kev

[Steve L]

What if you're a pisshead who's there for the music?   

[Kev Cane]

What if you're a pisshead who's there for the music?   

You,re dead right Steve, the answers yes on both counts, I am no bother to anyone though, and generally know most of the folk at the venues I go to

 

Kev

[Emily73]

Do the promoters have a say in who's allowed in a Venue? Can they physically turn people away?

Edited September 9, 2013 by Emily73

[Chalky]

Do the promoters have a say in who's allowed in a Venue? Can they physically turn people away?

Of course they can but as said it would appear most don't care who comes through the door. Most probably don't have the bottle to evict the trouble makers either.

[Len]

If the words about how full it was and how good it was come from the promoter I take no notice of it.

 

 

"Guilty as charged your honour!"  

 

Len  

[Len]

What if you're a pisshead who's there for the music?   

 

They usually conduct themselves correctly.

 

All the best,

 

Len  

[Davenpete]

Memberships are the solution - if only as an excuse to turn away those that aren't required - needless to say if one of ours turns up without a membership they'd get in - a membership book is also handy for building up databases for email promotion etc.

 

As far as I'm concerned the widespread late licencing of nighters was the worst thing to happen in my time (the separation of 60s and modern being the second worst).

 

Wreckheads yes  Pissheads NO.

 

Dx

Edited September 9, 2013 by DaveNPete

[Back Street Blue]

Remember a couple of the clubs that I really liked in the 90's both turned into "grab a granny" nights after the local non-soul folk twigged on to the late bar and "disco".

 

Both were close to the centre of the town in each case and got to the point where we stopped going, no longer a soul night when dance floor full of d*ck heads and having to go toe to toe in front of the missus (when I always get a b*ll*cking whatever the circumstances). 

 

Not seen it much since then to be honest as the places I go are away from town centres and that's the key I think. Plus there's enough of the lads in attendance to put a stop to any bother if it did kick off. 

Edited September 9, 2013 by back street blue

[purist]

Sometimes the landlord insists that you let " their friends/family/regulars" in for a late drink, as part of the agreement to book the room, and with the number of good rooms available shrinking all the time, maybe we just have to put up with it?

 

Besides, I'm not sure I want a squeaky clean, sanitized, perfectly safe environment for the scene I attend? I dont drink alcohol so I'm not saying this from a point of need, but It was never thus, so why are we trying to change the rules part way through the game? Back when most Niters were soft drinks only, enough gallons of spirits were smuggled in to fill the Pacific Ocean

 

Please don't "genteel up" a scene that has always been rough and ready. Virtually all clubs I've been to have their share of men who will resolve genuine difficulties if there's no paid security (which I agree with Chalky, should be on every door)

 

I do like the idea of a large sign saying late admission/non members £ (followed by some inflated price), as that lets the door staff off any arguements.

[Back Street Blue]

I know........why don't we all adopt a retro dress style so that we are instantly recognizable........"wrong clothes mate...Y'er in"

 

......trouser width measured at entrance to club?   

[cress]

Well I would guess that when they let them in they were not 'obviously a lot worse for wear' and it was not until they got in that they started  'drinking, spilling drinks on the dance floor , taking the piss out of every one'.    It's one thing running a Soul night and another fighting with a load of pissed hard cases in  a place like Easington - some of whom will be regulars in the venue when Soul nights are not being run. 

Mike , first and foremost i don't want to get drawn into any long argument's with anyone ,simply asked for people's thought's , as Mr.Cane say's he to has noticed it  as well ?? #1 when they let them in ect , within 10-15 min's one was running the full length the dance floor swinging his leg as he went this created a no go area , while his mates clapped and cheered ? also it was a full house no seat's tables ect from 8.15 onward's a table of 4 lady's got up to dance !! and hey lost their seat's and promptly left ....if they got like that in 15 min's the rest of us were wasting some dosh ???

   #2 what they were doing before they came in ,so what ??/

   #3  why fight with a load of pissed hard case's ? in every village, town, city they have pissed hard case's , do all the other venue's ect accept that it's all part of the night ???

[Sooty]

As a punter....hated them around on the few occasions they were allowed in to gigs during my tour in the 90's. As a promoter....I never ever took anyones money for the money. It was a Soul night...for Soulies. I don;t know any genuine Soulies who go to a doo to be a drunken idiot.....and never had one dare attempt to come thru my doors! I'd have ooofed em out personally....end of!x

LUV
SOOTY
X

[Chalky]

What ever happened to a good old fashioned rumble.....kick the sh*t out of them, they won't take the p*ss again........

[NEV]

You,re dead right Steve, the answers yes on both counts, I am no bother to anyone though, and generally know most of the folk at the venues I go to

 

Kev

Yeah right ..... Your always putting me in a head lock when you've had a few lol

[tosspot]

How do you recognise them?? at 10.30 i'm usually halfway thro' my 2nd gallon lol   (or Sunday morning its   )

[Kev Cane]

Yeah right ..... Your always putting me in a head lock when you've had a few lol

   Steady on here Nev, I am starting to look worse than the subject matter

 

Kev

Edited September 9, 2013 by kev cane

[night nurse]

me and a mate run a couple of motown and northern soul nights not your usual big nights free entry but get reasonably  busy. i for one do not allow piss heads in and if some one does get worse for wear and gets on the dance floor with a bottle or glass and lets face it there is a few on the soul scean I will and have ask um to leave the dance floor 9 times out of 10 they do no problem. if you ask politely they always do. well they have done for us anyway. but i do agree with putting a no entry  time limit on the door would help   

[Steve G]

Another promotors view who I was talking to recently. "Later a bunch of people came in from the bar and they were dancing and having a whale of a time and enjoying the music we were playing"......

[Md Records]

Maybe it's not the drinking we have a problem with, but people who don't like the music, coming in, taking the piss, and spoiling the night for those that do enjoy the music?

 

Des

[dedji1955]

If the words about how full it was and how good it was come from the promoter I take no notice of it. Many reviews are a complete waist of time and often dishonest, I read them and think I must have been at a different venue.

But if promoters keep letting drunks in and upsetting the real punters it will simply drive them away and maybe it will be good for the scene as a whole as there are far too many venues as it is.

Ive started to come to the conclusion that some promoters and DJs have a draught response when posting feedback which they slightly alter to big up each others events due to the fact that they DJ at each others event for free and are trying to tap up DJ spots

I have  have been at events and been told by friends where there has been serious trouble which has not been reported 

I also cannot understand why the promoters and some DJs turn a blind eye to drunks fooling around and spilling drinks on the dance floor, but with venues advertising late bars what else can be expected

[Cunnie]

So you arrange to meet your mates in the pub on your way to the local flea-pit Soul night & the landlord turns around & say's sorry but I don't want no Billy whizz taking talc throwing Soulies in my pub.
Guessing you wouldn't be too happy would you but most of you have decided you don't want his so called 'pisshead' customers in your Soul night so you can't blame him really...

[Mike Lofthouse]

Mike , first and foremost i don't want to get drawn into any long argument's with anyone ,simply asked for people's thought's , as Mr.Cane say's he to has noticed it  as well ?? #1 when they let them in ect , within 10-15 min's one was running the full length the dance floor swinging his leg as he went this created a no go area , while his mates clapped and cheered ? also it was a full house no seat's tables ect from 8.15 onward's a table of 4 lady's got up to dance !! and hey lost their seat's and promptly left ....if they got like that in 15 min's the rest of us were wasting some dosh ???

   #2 what they were doing before they came in ,so what ??/

   #3  why fight with a load of pissed hard case's ? in every village, town, city they have pissed hard case's , do all the other venue's ect accept that it's all part of the night ???

 

 

 

Cress I was not defending or justifying their actions just trying to answer the questions you posed.  The behavior you describe was a lot worse than I ever seen there but just reinforces my view that no one would want to intervene to stop it as it would of resulted in a serious punch-up!  The venue is a Miners Welfare club (a very famous one at that) and as such many of those causing the trouble would be regulars - even members - and probably feel  they have more right to be there than bus loads from Middlesbrough or wherever.  

 

And with due respect to others who have posted , Easington is not Banbury! - It is officially recognised as being the most economically deprived town in the United Kingdom and has the largest percentage of long term illness and unemployment - it's a pretty rough place with not a lot to do on Saturday night after the pubs shut. As such I think it would be very difficult to 'police' the door and any subsequent trouble.  Did any of you party attempt to remove any of the troublemakers?  I know I would of got my coat and beat a retreat down the A19! 

 

BTW are you the Cress I met at the O'jays gig in Primm Valley in 2010?

 

Mike

Edited September 9, 2013 by Mike Lofthouse

[Back Street Blue]

So you arrange to meet your mates in the pub on your way to the local flea-pit Soul night & the landlord turns around & say's sorry but I don't want no Billy whizz taking talc throwing Soulies in my pub.

Guessing you wouldn't be too happy would you but most of you have decided you don't want his so called 'pisshead' customers in your Soul night so you can't blame him really...

 

If your point is that the land lord is entitled to allow his regular customers to attend an event staged on his premises, I would agree that of course he and his regulars should be encouraged to do so.

 

The problem is that some visitors can totally ruin an event, not 'cos they aren't into soul music or 'cos they are drinking and having a good time, the problem under discussion is that "drunks" causing bother, taking the piss out of dancers and the music, spoil it for the people who have come for a soul night ......and that's why the poster of the thread is asking why they are allowed in.

 

Never been refused entry to a pub for being a soul boy and never likely to really am I, pretty unlikely scenario really innit?

 

Take it you've got a downer on "local" events and venues too? Certainly comes over that way.

 

Ah well, each to his own.

[Steve S 60]

Easington's days are numbered as a soul venue unless the promoter gets a handle on it.  Marine Hall in Fleetwood went the same way.  The final straw was when fighting broke out and the local plod were called in.

[Guest Matt Male]

So you arrange to meet your mates in the pub on your way to the local flea-pit Soul night & the landlord turns around & say's sorry but I don't want no Billy whizz taking talc throwing Soulies in my pub.

Guessing you wouldn't be too happy would you but most of you have decided you don't want his so called 'pisshead' customers in your Soul night so you can't blame him really...

 

 

We used to get regulary thrown out of The Vinery in Hinckley before the Leisure Centre nighter for exactly that reason Martin.

[Soulie80]

 i run easington welfare soul. my name is bob armstrong,i am really sorry to hear about  this... in 13 years of running easington, why did no one, who noticed these dickheads doing this, come to me and confront me.. and ask me to sort it out..  we run two rooms at easington, the main room  & a modern room,  i run the modern room, so i was out of the main room from 11 pm till 1am,,,there are three promoters, and we do the last spots in the main room..we come of the door at 11.30ish, i understand these arseholes came in after that, at that point , until closing at 1am there is nobody attending the door & we cannot close the main door as that is the only door to outside where you can have a smoke, and people leaving to go home..

 

i know the main problem, it is the welfare hall itself advertising in the local papers, so you get the local's coming in.. BIG MISTAKE.. and  has been said on here, they are pissed up & asking for some proper music to be played.. ie maria carey or michael "fucking" jackson.. for all of you that have replied on here, that dont know where easington is, it is on the very tip of the north east coast, quarter of a mile off the sea.. the hall is massive & takes some filling, we have worked our socks off to get this place noticed on the soul scene, and have had all the biggest names on the scene playing here...

 

also on here,some replies are, more in, more money in our pockets.. HOW  WRONG CAN YOU BE, WITHOUT KNOWING WHO WE ARE!!!.. every penny we take on the door ( after paying dj's).. goes back to the welfare hall trust, to try and keep our magnificent welfare hall open,. we do it for the love of soul music, not pounds and pence., and also we do charity nites for cancer research,

twice a year,& have also done "help for heroes" ..

 

we set the sound up at 9am in the morning till 11am , arrange the seating, take the money on the door, dj in two rooms  & put the sound system away at 1.30 in the morning &  try to keep an eye on the night, for no finacial  rewards, we dont always get it right..

 

we also do not ever put feedback on here saying, we had so many numbers in,  ..."EVER"

also their is one reply on here saying he noticed the same thing at easington,   "WHEN", easington has been going for 12 years almost every month, or at least 8/9 times a month & i bet i can count on two maybe, three,fingers how many times he has been in those 12 years, think its called,jumping on the bandwagon, too willing to slag somewhere off, they have, really never been too...

 

i am defending a soul nite i started 12 yrs ago, everybody who comes to easington is made as welcome as possible, at the door when they arrive by us the promoters, and because of one nite, and two to three dickheads , we are gonna close down, as someone else said on here, "NO WAY" we have nearly been there a few times, the hall has to run its self now, no contibutions from the coal 

miners, so we are doing our bit, soul wise, to help keep it going..

 

if you want to see us, and read some good vibes on easington &  have a look at our venue.. face book us.. Easington welfare soul club...

 

as i have said i have been running easington soul since 2001 & have only ever seen one fight in the place & that was two lass's fighting over a chair..

 

but as our scene, becomes more popular, isnt this gonna be more of a problem, if a few people are causing a bit of friction, tell the organisers, to sort it out & nobody informed me personally, .. if i dont see it or dont know, we cant sort it out...

 

thanks to the kind remarks mike ,that have been said..& to all the people that turn up to our nite..

Edited September 10, 2013 by soulie80

[Chalky]

The remarks I made about an extra tenner or whatever in the tin and sod security is generalisation and isn't aimed at you, how could it be I haven't been to your venue. But many many venues I have been to many promoters don't seem to care once you have handed your money over. No security, promoters paying no attention to what is happening inside, they treat it like the paying punters, as a night out. That is fact in many cases.

If promoters just want a night out then they should pack the "promoting" in.

If they want to promote then they should do it properly and provide a safe comfortable atmosphere and venue for those who have handed their money over.

If you leave the door open with no one watching it you are asking for trouble.