steve z Posted June 8, 2006 Posted June 8, 2006 MIDDLE part of a record ........the break........not everyones cuppa...and silent the OXFORD NIGHTS....the unexpected in a record can make it or otherwise...how many times off a sales tape have you bought a tune only to find out its been cut just before a "break" thats awful?
Guest Baz Posted June 8, 2006 Posted June 8, 2006 Stevie do you mean long pause's in records i.e the bit near the end of the Oxford Knights where you think the record is finnished? A break in musical terms is usually a break in the beat typical of your 4 beats per bar record that is mainly on a loop system, and the break is usually a 'sound' rather than a quiet pause, hope i've explained that correct, Other than that i aint got a clue what you mean
steve z Posted June 8, 2006 Author Posted June 8, 2006 Stevie do you mean long pause's in records i.e the bit near the end of the Oxford Knights where you think the record is finnished? A break in musical terms is usually a break in the beat typical of your 4 beats per bar record that is mainly on a loop system, and the break is usually a 'sound' rather than a quiet pause, hope i've explained that correct, Other than that i aint got a clue what you mean Hi Baz ,thanks for a fast response.I am following on from previous topics that have asked for the worst/best intro ITO.I have always thought the middle section of a record(outside of silly responses )to be a break .So yes it may be closer to the end of a record but would you have bought it?ATB Steve
Guest Baz Posted June 8, 2006 Posted June 8, 2006 Hi Baz ,thanks for a fast response.I am following on from previous topics that have asked for the worst/best intro ITO.I have always thought the middle section of a record(outside of silly responses )to be a break .So yes it may be closer to the end of a record but would you have bought it?ATB Steve Think i see where your coming from you mean, bits in the record that sound awful, but are brilliant records with out that bit in them. I bought a Ron Moody on Colpak The New Breed, sounded ace untill i got it played it then there was the awful......."better than all mojo man" on it that was cut off the tape
Guest Bearsoul Posted June 8, 2006 Posted June 8, 2006 (edited) 'middle- eight' is usualy termed as the musical break in a track...but that's a structured term...weird sound effects are a whole different thing Edited June 8, 2006 by bearsoul
steve z Posted June 8, 2006 Author Posted June 8, 2006 Think i see where your coming from you mean, bits in the record that sound awful, but are brilliant records with out that bit in them. I bought a Ron Moody on Colpak The New Breed, sounded ace untill i got it played it then there was the awful......."better than all mojo man" on it that was cut off the tape Cheers Baz,yep thats it Got a record on--- Mary--- label last 30 seconds are bloody dreadful ...rest is pretty good.ATB Steve
Guest ShaneH Posted June 8, 2006 Posted June 8, 2006 'middle- eight' is usualy termed as the musical break in a track...but that's a structured term...weird sound effects are a whole different thing no it's not. the middle 8 is the bridge from the verses to the chorus. not all songs have such tho. Shane
steve z Posted June 8, 2006 Author Posted June 8, 2006 no it's not. the middle 8 is the bridge from the verses to the chorus. not all songs have such tho. Shane Hi Shane ,I only know about a little bit of soul .Blooomin eck ,things you learn DO not know about your responses........BRILL! ATB Steve
Guest ShaneH Posted June 8, 2006 Posted June 8, 2006 Hi Shane ,I only know about a little bit of soul .Blooomin eck ,things you learn DO not know about your responses........BRILL! ATB Steve Steve, here is another take on the middle 8... "Some of the best middle 8s reveal something new in the lyric, a subtle twist or revelation in the subject matter. This is a classic way of keeping a listener's interest; just when they unconsciously feel they've heard everything you have to say in the song, you rekindle their interest with something new" back on topic, the breaks are a big part of soul songs and can (excuse the pun) make or break the song. The brilliant Johnny Bartell 'If this isn't love' could benefit from a better break imo. Shane
steve z Posted June 8, 2006 Author Posted June 8, 2006 Steve, here is another take on the middle 8... "Some of the best middle 8s reveal something new in the lyric, a subtle twist or revelation in the subject matter. This is a classic way of keeping a listener's interest; just when they unconsciously feel they've heard everything you have to say in the song, you rekindle their interest with something new" back on topic, the breaks are a big part of soul songs and can (excuse the pun) make or break the song. The brilliant Johnny Bartell 'If this isn't love' could benefit from a better break imo. Shane Shane IMO thats very well described...got to say I did not (and I suspect most SS members too did not)Thanks for contributing to a lesser known idealogical approach.ATB Steve
Guest Posted June 8, 2006 Posted June 8, 2006 I thought a break was where you did your bakc-drops and spins to,but i wouldnt know,would i
Guest ShaneH Posted June 8, 2006 Posted June 8, 2006 I thought a break was where you did your bakc-drops and spins to,but i wouldnt know,would i it is dolland. a break to you these days is when you go missing from that door at the back Shane
steve z Posted June 8, 2006 Author Posted June 8, 2006 I thought a break was where you did your bakc-drops and spins to,but i wouldnt know,would i HI Ken...spot on ..to me ...but ...that "middle bit" can ruin a record?IMHO...have to put IMHO 'cos of recent ...ATB Steve...
Guest Bearsoul Posted June 8, 2006 Posted June 8, 2006 no it's not. the middle 8 is the bridge from the verses to the chorus. not all songs have such tho. Shane i meant the middle-east ......ta Shane see that's what mods are for to correct long held misconceptions...see you in Cleggy
Godzilla Posted June 8, 2006 Posted June 8, 2006 A muso mate of mine described it as a bit that you sometimes stick in between verse and chorus to stop the tune getting boring. If I understand the first post properly though, how about The Soul Blenders - Tightrope. Brill begining, bit disapointing when it it carries on and sounds a bit psych-pop then goes really spuds up later on in the song leaving you thinking what the feck am I listening to? Is that what you meant? Godz
caseoftyme Posted June 8, 2006 Posted June 8, 2006 If I'm thinking along the same lines as the original poster to me the break is the bit in the middle of a vocal record (not instrumental where there is a "musical interlude" with no vocals. Usually between the 2nd / 3rd verse and the final verse of a tune. My favourite, which I think is absolutely stunning, is when the strings come in in the middle of Juanitta Williams - Baby Boy. Have a listenJuanita_Williams_____Baby_Boy.mp3
Guest Posted June 8, 2006 Posted June 8, 2006 Don't knock a break, it's good for the soul I ain't learnt me lesson & i will probably get panned for the next bit, but one of my favourite breaks is the one in the 'Newbeats - Crying My Heart Out' , where it fades towards the end & then comes back with a pounding base & piano creshendo ! Why am i letting the soul police get to me agin ?? Bollocks ! i'm going to play it on Saturday !
steve z Posted June 9, 2006 Author Posted June 9, 2006 (edited) A muso mate of mine described it as a bit that you sometimes stick in between verse and chorus to stop the tune getting boring. If I understand the first post properly though, how about The Soul Blenders - Tightrope. Brill begining, bit disapointing when it it carries on and sounds a bit psych-pop then goes really spuds up later on in the song leaving you thinking what the feck am I listening to? Is that what you meant? Godz Hi Godz, yep The "break" or part of a record that has a part that ,maybe shouldn't be in there ATB Steve Edited June 9, 2006 by steve z
steve z Posted June 9, 2006 Author Posted June 9, 2006 If I'm thinking along the same lines as the original poster to me the break is the bit in the middle of a vocal record (not instrumental where there is a "musical interlude" with no vocals. Usually between the 2nd / 3rd verse and the final verse of a tune. My favourite, which I think is absolutely stunning, is when the strings come in in the middle of Juanitta Williams - Baby Boy. Have a listen Hi.Spot on "break" really lifts the record at the right time IMO......fab production.Cheers Steve
Modernsoulsucks Posted June 9, 2006 Posted June 9, 2006 Fave break is in Fidels "Im giving you notice". Music stops and girl's voice saying:- "Are you gonna believe what I tell ya or you gonna believe what you see" Fits in perfectly and IMO sums up women wonderfully. I have this 45 by Bobby Sanders "The way I feel" . Nice tempo, nice back-up vocals but no break. Just don't sound right really. ROD
Northernguy Posted June 9, 2006 Posted June 9, 2006 no contest the best break ever is in scratchy curly wurly for anybody who can tell me what he says scratchy.mp3
Soul-slider Posted June 9, 2006 Posted June 9, 2006 Sax break in Eddie Holland's monstrous 'I'm On The Outside Looking In'..... ditto Edwin Starr's 'My Kind Of Woman'. For a pure 100% 'NorthernSoul' break, check out Robie Porter's 'That's The Way Love Goes' on MGM. If someone asks "what's Northern Soul", play them the break on that! Whilst on the subject...if only Marv Johnson's 'With All That's In Me' had that brilliant piano intro half way through... it would be double the price it is now!!!
Simsy Posted June 9, 2006 Posted June 9, 2006 If I'm thinking along the same lines as the original poster to me the break is the bit in the middle of a vocal record (not instrumental where there is a "musical interlude" with no vocals. Usually between the 2nd / 3rd verse and the final verse of a tune. Indeed. Long enough to say "two three four".
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