More Ns Tat Or Chance To Attract Younger Souls?

[KevH]

Wasn't 'Keep the faith' what Dave Godin signed off his B&S column with in every issue of the mag back in the 60's !!!!

As he was the 1st national guy to highlight the existence of the NS scene I'd guess its true to say ......

 

A/ That it was a term used by some of those on the scene (at least back in the late 60's / early 70's).

 

B/ Isn't like KOKO (!?!? .... keep on keepin on ... I guess) a 90's phrase.

 

KOKO....? Does anyone say this.?

[Steve S 60]

"Right On" was supposedly another term used, but I only ever heard it in 70s Blaxploitation movies.

[Winnie :-)]

KOKO....? Does anyone say this.?

yes his wife in moments of intimacy ''Oooh Koko take your make-up off and come to bed'' 

I do realise it's actually Coco

https://www.britishpathe.com/video/coco-the-clown

 

Apologies to thread starter for going off topic

[Little-stevie]

I would like to see KTF granny sporting black fist on the knickers as a model in the windows.... That would start a LANDSLIDE...

[Guest Dave Turner]

Just need one of these now and I can show the neighbours that me and the pooch are complete and elite hoodie soulies

 

Right On, KTF & KoKo ... oh nearly forgot FFS

Edited August 29, 2013 by Dave Turner

[Roburt]

I had a KOKO phase but I moved onto MINARET.

Funny I should mention Minaret ..... COZ .........

https://omnivorerecordings.com/south-side-of-soul-street/

[Guest manusf3a]

Yes, Brian Taylor the Tailor - You wouldn't know him, you're simply not cool enough Win  

 

Damn, Damn, Damn!.....Or is that Dam?  

 

Len  

Brian is more like artic cool,always looked up to him when I was younger,him Pasqale(Passy) and John Boyd set the bar as far as far as I was concerned,between them they must have liberated more dda s than Boots has branches,the original Corby firm that shone the light for those to follow,(Torch light that is,with adidas bag in the other hand ready to fill with the contnents of the cabinet).Havent seen him since the late seventies when me and Wilky went to st Ives with him and spent the next day blocking it up in Cambridge on the river,punt sinking with another car load of folk he knew,As Ive said one of the people I had,have the utmost respect for.I ve only just come across the book "Soul Stylists", and read some of the excerpts on the web,I am going to buy it because from what I can see written in the excerpts its worth buying just to read Brians contribution on its own,no disrespect intended to other contributors because they also seem to have much to say about the scene.As we have said Len ,one of those very influential people you meet along the way that leaves a lasting impression.atbmanus  ps bollux tay de sintax.Hows that for a slightly "drifting off topic",for you Len?

Edited August 29, 2013 by manusf3a

[Roburt]

It's just Mod Madness, deffo Mod Madness ........

 

[Len]

propensity

 

Word........

 

 

.....................clever git  

 

Len  

[Len]

 

At least they might be up dancing instead of sitting getting pissed and moaning about the scene and how it's not as good as it was back whenever.

 

 

"Well the scene ain't as good as it was!"........'hic'  

 

.....On a serious note that you touched upon - Youth Culture (as it was) is what's missing nowadays, and I think that's a shame for the 'kids of today'.......I looked / felt great with my parka fish tail dragging along the floor behind me when I was 14.....and I had 'attitude!'

 

Len  

 

P.s - It seems this younger generation don't / don't need to 'make an effort' to attract the opposite sex - just a pair of jogging bottoms and a hoodie seems to do the trick for them.....yes, a real shame.

Edited August 29, 2013 by LEN

[Len]

yes his wife in moments of intimacy ''Oooh Koko take your make-up off and come to bed'' 

I do realise it's actually Coco

https://www.britishpathe.com/video/coco-the-clown

 

Apologies to thread starter for going off topic

 

Nothing wrong with Clowns!.......Just a 'chosen few' will get that  

 

Len  

[grant]

Them Roxy birds at Pips, pencil skirts, stockings and stilettos.....mind how you go "in the Toon" dressed like that mate   

remember them days well mate

[Mak]

Isn't NS "a way of life" these days   

It'll never be over for me

[Dean]

"The figurehead was the people -"  Jesus who wrote that

 

" It was all about looking good on the dance floor." - that all went pear shaped somewhere along the way  

 

Big thumbs down from me mate, more tat  

Don't say that buddy, it's just going to make for an embarrassed silence when you get one for Christmas along with your Northern Soul dancing lessons i'm saving up for to buy you.

[Frankie Crocker]

I have just looked at every page in Keith Rylatt & Phil Scott's wonderful book on The Wheel 'Central 1179' and there is no sign of any vinyl bags; in fact, the hard-cases photographed were so sharply dressed, they didn't need accessories. Vinyl airline style bags were around in the 1960's but were they carried by Twisted Wheel goers? When I went to The Casino six months to the day after it opened, I carried a plain cricket bag made of cloth with leather straps - many holdalls that night were very similar or had a tartan pattern, but most patches were on shirts and singlets as I recall. I got my first of many adidas holdalls in late 1974 but can't remember when they were first adorned with soul patches - can anyone claim this honour? To answer the question though, tat it may be, but it will be the closest any youngster will get to a ground-breaking British Allnighter like The Twisted Wheel.

[Ljblanken]

 

 

Anyway, the bottom line is that things like this will appeal to those that like this sort of thing...

 

ha ha! tautologically fantastic!

[Guest manusf3a]

ha ha! tautologically fantastic!

Very nice word usage,ha ha.

[Roburt]

[Roburt]

..... RE: Vinyl airline style bags were around in the 1960's but were they carried by Twisted Wheel goers? 

My memory ain't what it was BUT I don't recall anyone taking Vinyl airline style bags to the Wheel.

[Ady Croasdell]

I hope this doesn't mean membership of the Hollister surf club will decline.

[Louise]

Saw some NS condoms the other day but they'd had too much DJ use are were knackered.

 

I hope they didn't have any drill holes in the vinyl ,Dean

[Louise]

Yes one of the rarest sights these days in the record bar of a northern event is actually seeing someone sellling records

Dave

Edited August 30, 2013 by Louise

[Steve G]

Yes one of the rarest sights these days in the record bar of a northern event is actually seeing someone sellling records

Dave

 

Dave when are you starting your new line in mens apparel?  

[Louise]

Dave when are you starting your new line in mens apparel?

That's a bit sexist Steve, Unisex Apparel if you don't mind, can short you and Lorriane out with a couple of his and hers matching numbers  

[Steve G]

Ok put two by for us......XXL and XXS  

[Guest Dave Turner]

I have just looked at every page in Keith Rylatt & Phil Scott's wonderful book on The Wheel 'Central 1179' and there is no sign of any vinyl bags; in fact, the hard-cases photographed were so sharply dressed, they didn't need accessories. Vinyl airline style bags were around in the 1960's but were they carried by Twisted Wheel goers? When I went to The Casino six months to the day after it opened, I carried a plain cricket bag made of cloth with leather straps - many holdalls that night were very similar or had a tartan pattern, but most patches were on shirts and singlets as I recall. I got my first of many adidas holdalls in late 1974 but can't remember when they were first adorned with soul patches - can anyone claim this honour? To answer the question though, tat it may be, but it will be the closest any youngster will get to a ground-breaking British Allnighter like The Twisted Wheel.

 

Agree with ya mate, I started going further afield a couple of months or so after the Torch shut, so about mid 73 and I can't remember vinyl airline type bags being about. I think they just gradually appeared without being much noticed.

 

Like you say most had stylish cloth and leather strapped holdalls. Only ever had one badge and that was the original VaVa's which I did put on my bag. Shit and dowdy looking badge, none of those brightly coloured things for me, oh no no no  

 

It always seemed to me that a badge was a "I've been there" kinda thing. I could understand seeing someone with a vest with a Torch, Howard Mallet (the original I thought a good badge), Keighley Okeh Club etc etc. Everything else ie Right On, Night Owl etc etc badges always seemed tat to me and to be honest like Gary Lewis & the Playboys was a part of the scene I didn't like. Loved just about all of the rest of it though 

Edited August 30, 2013 by Dave Turner

[Citizen P]

ha ha! tautologically fantastic!

 

Tautology-a universal truth in formal logic.

 

or-a self-reinforcing pretense of significant truth.

 

 

prefer the first definition myself.....   

[Steve S 60]

Agree with ya mate, I started going further afield a couple of months or so after the Torch shut, so about mid 73 and I can't remember vinyl airline type bags being about. I think they just gradually appeared without being much noticed.

 

Like you say most had stylish cloth and leather strapped holdalls. Only ever had one badge and that was the original VaVa's which I did put on my bag. Shit and dowdy looking badge, none of those brightly coloured things for me, oh no no no  

 

It always seemed to me that a badge was a "I've been there" kinda thing. I could understand seeing someone with a vest with a Torch, Howard Mallet (the original I thought a good badge), Keighley Okeh Club etc etc. Everything else ie Right On, Night Owl etc etc badges always seemed tat to me and to be honest like Gary Lewis & the Playboys was a part of the scene I didn't like. Loved just about all of the rest of it though 

I was still at secondary school in the mid 70s and most of us had vinyl sports bags (Adidas, Puma, Gola etc) for carrying our P.E. kit in.  It wasn't a Northern Soul thing, everybody had them.  Not surprising then that they started to appear at All-Nighters.

[Tezza]

Agree with ya mate, I started going further afield a couple of months or so after the Torch shut, so about mid 73 and I can't remember vinyl airline type bags being about. I think they just gradually appeared without being much noticed.

 

Like you say most had stylish cloth and leather strapped holdalls. Only ever had one badge and that was the original VaVa's which I did put on my bag. Shit and dowdy looking badge, none of those brightly coloured things for me, oh no no no  

 

It always seemed to me that a badge was a "I've been there" kinda thing. I could understand seeing someone with a vest with a Torch, Howard Mallet (the original I thought a good badge), Keighley Okeh Club etc etc. Everything else ie Right On, Night Owl etc etc badges always seemed tat to me and to be honest like Gary Lewis & the Playboys was a part of the scene I didn't like. Loved just about all of the rest of it though 

The Vinyl Bags were prevelent at School etc at the time but not part of the Garb at the Soul Clubs. It was all about style over substance.

Had a Samantha's Badge - The nice deep Red one, but it was attached to my Blazer Breast Pocket. Looked really cool.  Apart from that, the Fist Logo etc - laughable. To be honest, even the Casino Badges looked a little gaudy. Buy a badge and stick it in a draw to fish out 30 odd years later to rekindle the Memories ?

[Guest Dave Turner]

I was still at secondary school in the mid 70s and most of us had vinyl sports bags (Adidas, Puma, Gola etc) for carrying our P.E. kit in.  It wasn't a Northern Soul thing, everybody had them.  Not surprising then that they started to appear at All-Nighters.

 

Most of us at school had lunch boxes but I can't remember them taking off on the Northern Scene, or maybe they were hidden inside the vinyl sports bags  

[Guest Dave Turner]

The Vinyl Bags were prevelent at School etc at the time but not part of the Garb at the Soul Clubs. It was all about style over substance.

Had a Samantha's Badge - The nice deep Red one, but it was attached to my Blazer Breast Pocket. Looked really cool.  Apart from that, the Fist Logo etc - laughable. To be honest, even the Casino Badges looked a little gaudy. Buy a badge and stick it in a draw to fish out 30 odd years later to rekindle the Memories ?

 

With ya 

[Bazza]

Tautology-a universal truth in formal logic.

 

or-a self-reinforcing pretense of significant truth.

 

 

prefer the first definition myself.....   

Blimey ,get me my Dictionary 

 

Bazza  

[Steve S 60]

Most of us at school had lunch boxes but I can't remember them taking off on the Northern Scene, or maybe they were hidden inside the vinyl sports bags  

 

 

I was on school dinners, although my mam used to knock me up some sandwiches and put a clean change of underwear in my bag when I went down to an All Nighter.

[TOAD]

One thing is fp do not no what a tank top is and it ain't a v neck

[Citizen P]

It'll never be over for me

 Shouldn't that be

"It'll never be ovo for me"   ??

[Len]

Very nice word usage,ha ha.

 

Beat me to it - Yes well done that man!    

 

Len  

 

P.s - Anyone for a game of Scrabble?........after the next nighter.........  

[Len]

Most of us at school had lunch boxes but I can't remember them taking off on the Northern Scene, 

 

..........Sadly I can (True story this)........I was young and very skint, so (thinking nothing of it) I took sandwiches and a flask of coffee (yes a flask of coffee!) to The Fleet All-nighter at Peterborough......I was enjoying my night in that 'I'm young and scared kinda way', I went and sat down, and thought ......"Mmmmm coffee time"......so whilst still enjoying my night I decided to get me flask out........as I was pouring my coffee, two older girls looked over........then one of them said......"Tight C*nt!" with a big scowl on her face........I can't tell you how devastated I was - it completely ruined my night......and the next week (s)......not that I still think about it to this day........    

 

Len  

Edited August 30, 2013 by LEN

[Guest Dave Turner]

Len      

[Davenpete]

I remember Paul Smith doing patch vests and baggies for the Japanese market in the late 80s (and indeed couple of casuals came round our gaff in Swindon back then trying to buy patches etc to put on blazers as a purely fashion thing - probably Danny Huff's fault as he used to flog a lot of vintage clothing - as well as dodgy copies of The Q) - it might peak interest amongst a few to find out more etc.

 

Dx

[TOAD]

No way are youngsters interested ! And if you are wanting them to go give them a lift or take the music to them otherwise forget it, its nearly finished

[Len]

 probably Danny Huff's fault as he used to flog a lot of vintage clothing - as well as dodgy copies of The Q)

 

Dx

 

.......and phones!  

 

Len  

[Davenpete]

.......and phones!  

 

Len  

I remember him flogging the company system out of his car to a customer for cash and then telling the office it blew out of the window when he was driving!

[Bazza]

No way are youngsters interested ! And if you are wanting them to go give them a lift or take the music to them otherwise forget it, its nearly finished

 

 

Young punks spilling beer on my shoes,nope don't want it, and although the present scene bears no resemblance to the scene I originally loved, I give it ten years at the most till it dies off completely   

 

Bazza  

[Tezza]

Young punks spilling beer on my shoes,nope don't want it, and although the present scene bears no resemblance to the scene I originally loved, I give it ten years at the most till it dies off completely   

 

Bazza  

There are no where near enough 'Young Souls' to sustain it Bazza, it will fall away and perhaps the odd reunion weekend etc.  Great while it lasted but it will, as you say, die with us as a genuine 'scene'.

[dedji1955]

The Twisted Wheel !

Isn't that the Club that closed in 1971. Reopened somewhere else using the same name. Closed, burnt down then fell into the swamp but reopened somewhere else using the same name ?

(may have change by time of publication)

Nice looking things but wont be worn by the people that do.

Saying that, when I was at Uni I saw a lot of Students with Che Guevara T Shirts on.  Today I see T Shirts of Bob Marley, The Beatles, Led Zep etc. Don't read too much into it, they just look nice (to them that buy's them init).

Not quite correct Tezza

The Original Wheel opened in Brazennose St in 1963, 18 Months later it moved to Whitworth St which closed in 1971 and was started again in the same premises by Pete Roberts, when those premises where to be demolished Pete transferred to NQ live and after a fire there they moved to the present premises at Alterego

All the admission fees, plus money from raffles etc along with a £500 donation from the club owners was paid to the memorial fund for Stephen Hunt the firefighter who was killed fighting the fire

Although Fred Perry cashed in on the Twisted Wheel name they did not donate one penny to this fund

The logo Fred Perry have used on their clothing refers to The Twisted Wheel Scooter Club

The TW Club at Alterego is frequented by a large number of older customers who started attending in the mid sixties and the atmosphere is second to none, it was packed for The Allnighter last Friday and will be busy on Sunday with like minded folks from all over the Country

Fred

[Tezza]

Not quite correct Tezza

The Original Wheel opened in Brazennose St in 1963, 18 Months later it moved to Whitworth St which closed in 1971 and was started again in the same premises by Pete Roberts, when those premises where to be demolished Pete transferred to NQ live and after a fire there they moved to the present premises at Alterego

All the admission fees, plus money from raffles etc along with a £500 donation from the club owners was paid to the memorial fund for Stephen Hunt the firefighter who was killed fighting the fire

Although Fred Perry cashed in on the Twisted Wheel name they did not donate one penny to this fund

The logo Fred Perry have used on their clothing refers to The Twisted Wheel Scooter Club

The TW Club at Alterego is frequented by a large number of older customers who started attending in the mid sixties and the atmosphere is second to none, it was packed for The Allnighter last Friday and will be busy on Sunday with like minded folks from all over the Country

Fred

Cheers Fred,

Don't think a lot realise that the Logo refers to the Scooter Club and not the Club itself direct. You would think that they would push a nominal 'Donation' across as a mark of respect.

Terry

[Steve G]

The music will never die, it's been too widely marketed for that to happen, and is known about globally.

 

The "scene" i.e. dressing up, and going out dancing in a cold hall somewhere in Britain, will die out along with all the paraphanalia, badges, vests, talking clocks etc. It's been on life support for some years now since the last lot of returnees renewed their interest, and then rapidly remembered why they didn't stick with soul music in the first place.

[Steve S 60]

People have been predicting the demise of the scene for years now, and here we are, over forty years old and still going strong.  There's been a lot of new blood on the scene in recent years, and they'll carry the torch forward.  The making of Elaine Constantine's film has done much to introduce a younger generation to the scene, as can be witnessed at various soul nights, and hopefully on release, it will attract a lot more.

[Bazza]

People have been predicting the demise of the scene for years now, and here we are, over forty years old and still going strong.  There's been a lot of new blood on the scene in recent years, and they'll carry the torch forward.  The making of Elaine Constantine's film has done much to introduce a younger generation to the scene, as can be witnessed at various soul nights, and hopefully on release, it will attract a lot more.

 

 

Over 40,try closer to 60 ,sadly 

 

Bazza  

[grant]

 

The "scene" i.e. dressing up, and going out dancing in a cold hall somewhere in Britain, will die out along with all the paraphanalia, badges, vests, talking clocks etc.

cant come soon enough