More Ns Tat Or Chance To Attract Younger Souls?

[Dean]

A work friend purchased a Fred Perry Twisted Wheel Shoulder bag from the Nottingham shop for her daughter to start back to school.

 

"Specially designed edition of the classic shoulder bag, created as part of this season's Twisted Wheel collection. The zipped style is complemented with woven patches featuring motifs and design details inspired by the legendary Northern Soul movement. Complete with our trademark twin tipping detail on the front slip pocket and an adjustable shoulder strap."

"A music and dance movement that emerged and prospered during the 1960s and 70s in working class areas of the North, Northern Soul grew out of the underground rhythm and soul scene. Largely overlooked by the mainstream media the movement centred on its followers.

The figurehead was the people - the kids who made the weekly pilgrimage to the clubs, the ones who had the best moves, the ones with the sharpest dress sense. It was all about looking good on the dance floor."

 

 

 

Sorry for small pic, there's different versions on the Fred Perry website (the subculture tab on the website has some cringing video inteviews on together with cuts from This England, Soul Boy and NS playlist), also there are shirts and vests with the same badges on.

 

My first reaction is FFS, but could such items, attract younger people to explore the music and clubs?

[Steve L]

"The figurehead was the people -"  Jesus who wrote that  

 

" It was all about looking good on the dance floor." - that all went pear shaped somewhere along the way  

 

Big thumbs down from me mate, more tat  

[Back Street Blue]

Think the Wheel thing is perhaps to do with it being the 50th anniversary.

 

In the events guide for this weekend's mini-niter, Pete Robert's says they've even got a special limited edition Twisted Wheel Ale brewed by Green King available for the night!!

 

"No such thing as bad publicity"?

[Mal C]

yeah I saw these in Selfridges the other week, I was taking a picture of the bags and had a tap on the shoulder, 'No Photographs in the store sir'  I said 'come on, its not that exciting...'

Edited August 29, 2013 by Mal.C.

[Chalky]

Tat and not about the music but fashion.

[Winnie :-)]

A work friend purchased a Fred Perry Twisted Wheel Shoulder bag from the Nottingham shop for her daughter to start back to school.

 

"Specially designed edition of the classic shoulder bag, created as part of this season's Twisted Wheel collection. The zipped style is complemented with woven patches featuring motifs and design details inspired by the legendary Northern Soul movement. Complete with our trademark twin tipping detail on the front slip pocket and an adjustable shoulder strap."

"A music and dance movement that emerged and prospered during the 1960s and 70s in working class areas of the North, Northern Soul grew out of the underground rhythm and soul scene. Largely overlooked by the mainstream media the movement centred on its followers.

The figurehead was the people - the kids who made the weekly pilgrimage to the clubs, the ones who had the best moves, the ones with the sharpest dress sense. It was all about looking good on the dance floor."

 

 

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Sorry for small pic, there's different versions on the Fred Perry website (the subculture tab on the website has some cringing video inteviews on together with cuts from This England, Soul Boy and NS playlist), also there are shirts and vests with the same badges on.

 

My first reaction is FFS, but could such items, attract younger people to explore the music and clubs?

It's tat Dean, he says taking a sip of tea out of his much adored ''I love northern soul, it's not just a fad, it's a way of life and it'll never be over for me'' mug. Got to pop out now, I've run out of my 'Russ Winstanley sweeteners'

[Rick Smith]

It's tat.

Heard some crap before but for me its cringe worthy s**t.

[Steve G]

Isn't NS "a way of life" these days   

[Citizen P]

A work friend purchased a Fred Perry Twisted Wheel Shoulder bag from the Nottingham shop for her daughter to start back to school.

 

"Specially designed edition of the classic shoulder bag, created as part of this season's Twisted Wheel collection. The zipped style is complemented with woven patches featuring motifs and design details inspired by the legendary Northern Soul movement. Complete with our trademark twin tipping detail on the front slip pocket and an adjustable shoulder strap."

"A music and dance movement that emerged and prospered during the 1960s and 70s in working class areas of the North, Northern Soul grew out of the underground rhythm and soul scene. Largely overlooked by the mainstream media the movement centred on its followers.

The figurehead was the people - the kids who made the weekly pilgrimage to the clubs, the ones who had the best moves, the ones with the sharpest dress sense. It was all about looking good on the dance floor."

 

 

L3174_102_1.jpg

 

Sorry for small pic, there's different versions on the Fred Perry website (the subculture tab on the website has some cringing video inteviews on together with cuts from This England, Soul Boy and NS playlist), also there are shirts and vests with the same badges on.

 

My first reaction is FFS, but could such items, attract younger people to explore the music and clubs?

No,

 

A few years back my youngest daughter bought a Northern Soul bag complete with big black fist, I asked, as she didn't like Dads music, why she'd bought it

 

It's retro innit, she replied.

[Citizen P]

Isn't NS "a way of life" these days   

 

 

Only for those who weren't there in the first place.

[Bazza]

No,

 

A few years back my youngest daughter bought a Northern Soul bag complete with big black fist, I asked, as she didn't like Dads music, why she'd bought it

 

It's retro innit, she replied.

Classic   

 

Bazza 

[Tezza]

The Twisted Wheel !

Isn't that the Club that closed in 1971. Reopened somewhere else using the same name. Closed, burnt down then fell into the swamp but reopened somewhere else using the same name ?

(may have change by time of publication)

Nice looking things but wont be worn by the people that do.

Saying that, when I was at Uni I saw a lot of Students with Che Guevara T Shirts on.  Today I see T Shirts of Bob Marley, The Beatles, Led Zep etc. Don't read too much into it, they just look nice (to them that buy's them init).

Edited August 29, 2013 by Tezza

[Len]

No,

 

A few years back my youngest daughter bought a Northern Soul bag complete with big black fist,

 

From the same shop?!  

 

Perfuse apologies, I couldn't resist - just a joke  

 

All the best,

 

Len  

Edited August 29, 2013 by LEN

[Citizen P]

From the same shop?!  

 

Perfuse apologies, I couldn't resist - just a joke  

 

All the best,

 

Len  

 

 

Nope...'twas in Manchester 

 

Anyway, the bottom line is that things like this will appeal to those that like this sort of thing...

[Peter99]

Isn't NS "a way of life" these days   

A life style choice Steve

 

[Steve G]

A life style choice Steve

 

 

I don't know I don't associate myself with that side of it at all...laughable and avoided like the plague. It's just like the "Teddy Boys" and we used to diss. them.

[Len]

Nope...'twas in Manchester 

 

Anyway, the bottom line is that things like this will appeal to those that like this sort of thing...

 

Phew! - You do have a sense of humour!  

 

Back 'on topic' (I'm always writing that, can't think why ).........It's 'tat' to us, but definitely 'retro' to young people, and to them whatever is on the bag is 'the look', and nothing more. We all still want it to be underground, and us being the young people to boot, but we're not anymore - so I suppose it upsets us (just a little)  

 

All the best,

 

Len  

[Citizen P]

Phew! - You do have a sense of humour!  

 

 

 

Sometimes, but it's not strong enough to make me want one of those bags..

[Guest Bearsy]

i think there great and really go well my KTF Fred Perry limited editions Polo Shirts  

[Bazza]

Do You think I would look out of place with one of these bags,in my vest and Baggies,  nahh

 

Bazza 

[KevH]

 "Largely overlooked by the mainstream media".........if only.......no,i'm not joining in.....   

[KevH]

Isn't NS "a way of life" these days   

 

Only from Friday evening till Sunday night.Unless its a weekender.

[Dean]

You grumpy old Ba*****s

Checked with my 23 year old son (who I've never ever dressed up in 70s regalia and taken along to a soul night, although he does threaten to turn up so he see me attempt to dance) who laughed and said "Oh that will just attract the Hipster Mods (a new tribe every week?), you don't want them???? 

[Rich B]

Out of interest is it more to numpty to a.) buy said bag or b.)  have loads of stickers proclaiming the fact that you're 'keeping the faith Okeh"** in the back window of your car?

 

 

 

** Not necessarily exact wording - other slogans are available.

[Steve Ss]

TAT.

in the same way that parkas are tat.

in the same way that Harley Davidson clothing is tat

in the same way that spencers, vests and beer towels are tat.

 

BUT

it will probably attract a whole new crowd of returnees to the "life style" they enjoyed for half a summer in the mid 70s

so it cant be a bad thing can it?

 

oh and I can see both of my lads, and their mates, using the bags for college/sports, but I cannot imagine any of them suddenly wanting to join the "life style"

[dean jj]

Saw some NS condoms the other day but they'd had too much DJ use are were knackered.

[Dean]

Out of interest is it more to numpty to a.) buy said bag or b.)  have loads of stickers proclaiming the fact that you're 'keeping the faith Okeh"** in the back window of your car?

 

 

 

** Not necessarily exact wording - other slogans are available.

We're onto degrees of numptiness now. At some age we should have developed more discerning tastes. Young Hipster Mods (get me) buying a bag is like me wearing high waistband pleated multi zipped Oxford bags at 15 / 16. Thought I was cool and with the in-crowd! At that time Hipsters were what the girls who always ignored me wore. Not convinced I can adequately argue the case for either numpty after the age of 20!

[Steve S 60]

At £55 for the shoulder bag, and £75 for the grip bag, it's expensive tat.  "I'm cashing in, cashing in on you baby....."

[Roburt]

Love it mesen, but iys from Yorkshire so there's no way I'd pay the £75 they're askin.

[Guest Byrney]

Out of interest is it more to numpty to a.) buy said bag or b.) have loads of stickers proclaiming the fact that you're 'keeping the faith Okeh"** in the back window of your car?

** Not necessarily exact wording - other slogans are available.

"keep the faith" a term I've never actually heard any of my mates on the scene say. Ironically a term used only by those that didn't

Oh... The question. Tat, will not attract any newcomers whatsoever and falls into a similar category as kids wearing Ramones T Shirts.

Edited August 29, 2013 by Byrney

[Bazza]

"keep the faith" a term I've never actually heard any of my mates on the scene say. Ironically a term used only by those that didn't

Oh... The question. Tat, will not attract any newcomers whatsoever and falls into a similar category as kids wearing Ramones T Shirts.

Very true Byrney  "KTF"  "KOKO" ,took me a while to get the koko one ,are these 90's phrases, I dunno ,but they were never used back then as far as I remember 

 

Bazza  

[Len]

We're onto degrees of numptiness now. At some age we should have developed more discerning tastes. Young Hipster Mods (get me) buying a bag is like me wearing high waistband pleated multi zipped Oxford bags at 15 / 16. Thought I was cool and with the in-crowd! At that time Hipsters were what the girls who always ignored me wore. Not convinced I can adequately argue the case for either numpty after the age of 20!

 

The difference being, that the 'high waistband pleated multi zipped Oxford bags' you were wearing, were for your time and style, not another generations'.

 

.....I used to wear Hipsters (Taylor made)........and I'm not ignoring you........(and to save anyone the trouble - No I'm not a girl!)  

 

Len  

Edited August 29, 2013 by LEN

[Winnie :-)]

The difference being, that the 'high waistband pleated multi zipped Oxford bags' you were wearing, were for your time and style, not another generations'.

 

.....I used to wear Hipsters (Taylor made)........and I'm not ignoring you........(and to save anyone the trouble - No I'm not a girl!)  

 

Len  

Was this Taylor a tailor

[Roburt]

Wasn't 'Keep the faith' what Dave Godin signed off his B&S column with in every issue of the mag back in the 60's !!!!

As he was the 1st national guy to highlight the existence of the NS scene I'd guess its true to say ......

 

A/ That it was a term used by some of those on the scene (at least back in the late 60's / early 70's).

 

B/ Isn't like KOKO (!?!? .... keep on keepin on ... I guess) a 90's phrase.

Edited August 29, 2013 by Roburt

[Roburt]

Was this Taylor a tailor

No, he was a maid !!  

[Len]

Was this Taylor a tailor

 

Yes, Brian Taylor the Tailor - You wouldn't know him, you're simply not cool enough Win  

 

Damn, Damn, Damn!.....Or is that Dam?  

 

Len  

Edited August 29, 2013 by LEN

[Winnie :-)]

No, he was a maid !!  

So his postal address might have read

 

Mr T maid........

[Roburt]

Quote from Dave Godin's B&S column in mag #82 (April 72) ...........

'Keep the Faith' is a well known expression that defies precise definition, but over the years gallant little President (of Jay Boy fame) have done just that, and now they have excelled themselves with their 3 volume set "Keep The Faith". 

[Steve G]

 

B/ Isn't like KOKO (!?!?) a 90's phrase.

 

KOKO was Johnnie Baylor's label in the 60's and 70's.

[Roburt]

KOKO was Johnnie Baylor's label in the 60's and 70's.

I had a KOKO phase but I moved onto MINARET.

SORRY, he said KOKO phrase, not KOKO phase.

Edited August 29, 2013 by Roburt

[Guest Andy Kempster]

Was this Taylor a tailor

 

 

so pleased you are also keeping a firm eye on Len's syntax Winnie, it can be a full and arduous task at times given his propensity for posting

[Bazza]

Quote from Dave Godin's B&S column in mag #82 (April 72) ...........

'Keep the Faith' is a well known expression that defies precise definition, but over the years gallant little President (of Jay Boy fame) have done just that, and now they have excelled themselves with their 3 volume set "Keep The Faith". 

If you say so, my memory is a bit sketchy of them days ,but I do know if some one stuck there fist up and said " keep the faith "I would think they were a twat 

 

Bazza  

 

edited missed out "one" lol

Edited August 29, 2013 by Bazza

[Roburt]

If you say so, my memory is a bit sketchy of them days ,but I do know if some stuck there fist up and said " keep the faith "I would think they were a twat 

 

Bazza  

Well you'd think many who attended nighters around 69/70/71 were tw*ts then.

[Tezza]

Very true Byrney  "KTF"  "KOKO" ,took me a while to get the koko one ,are these 90's phrases, I dunno ,but they were never used back then as far as I remember 

 

Bazza  

You can't remember that far back to be honest Bazza. 

[Steve G]

in the same way that Harley Davidson clothing is tat

 

 

That reminds me of the time I was cycling through Bridgwater once. Anyway the local chapter of Hells Angels pulled up beside me at the traffic lights all revving their HD's and all wearing their trademark jackets. This could be interesting I thought.....expecting some tough hoodlums prone to flattening bars in seconds, knocking cyclists over for a larf, not changing their filthy trousers for over a year - you know hard men types....Anyway I looked at 'em and they were a bunch of geriatric whimps like bank managers on a day off. It was both amusing and re-assuring I guess.

[Bazza]

Well you'd think many who attended nighters around 69/70/71 were tw*ts then.

No ,just different times and different places 

 

Bazza  

[Back Street Blue]

I'm more "CUTP" (Cough Up The Phlegm).....and "COCOA"....myself these days 

[pogo paul]

Very true Byrney  "KTF"  "KOKO" ,took me a while to get the koko one ,are these 90's phrases, I dunno ,but they were never used back then as far as I remember 

 

Bazza  

Black Power phrases.probably not used 'cos of all the white stuff played   

[NUFCSOUL]

A while back I asked a group of young uns about their views on Northern Soul when I saw a couple of them had the Fist/Keep The Faith logo  on their shoulder bags and they thought Northern Soul and KTF were bands!!!! from the past.

I don't think anyone of these young kids buying the 'latest trend' item shoved in their faces by some ad/pr/brand positioning campaign will suddenly seek out a record player and start collecting original soul vinyl, but if just one does it may just be that they go on and learn about the music.

We are all learning about stuff at all stages of our lives.

The nation though seems devoid of any dominant youth culture at the moment but has a mish mash of many styles along with a big hint of retro - mods/skins/any era vintage.

I'm also not expecting any massive amount of younger people getting into the scene but we must welcome them if they do and if they like wearing 'the gear' then so fkn what.

At least they might be up dancing instead of sitting getting pissed and moaning about the scene and how it's not as good as it was back whenever.

''And why do you look at the splinter in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?'' Matthew 7:1-5

Keep The Faith .... I'm off to buy some Roxy Threads mate!!

[Back Street Blue]

 I'm off to buy some Roxy Threads mate!!

 

Them Roxy birds at Pips, pencil skirts, stockings and stilettos.....mind how you go "in the Toon" dressed like that mate