So Called Accusations Against Exisiting Members

[Billywhizz]

fed up of people coming on here and posting accusations against existing members and when these are proven wrong, not having the decency to hold hands up and say "sorry got it wrong"

think fair to say that most if not all of our well known members have been subject to this, and while the original thinking of allowing such posts was it helps clear up misunderstandings, kills rumours and such, due to the misuse by some am now looking at this issue very closely

Hang on Mike i know your hands are full with postings if you are talking about the KR postings that should have not been posted in the 1st place with new members coming on all postings should be checked.

Cheers Billy

[Guest]

sorry i spoke

[Billywhizz]

sorry i spoke

No problem Lucy

[Guest LUCY J W]

No problem Lucy

Just want to clarify differnt Lucy. not me.

[Guest Soultown andy]

I think its fine the way it is .

[sister dawn]

No problem Lucy

I thought it was Sharon James?

[Guest]

Sharon is my middle name - i don't use Lucy much - hey, how did you find that out anyway?

[Rich Buckley]

I think it's fine the way it is, as anything else would be too Big Brother and censorial, which I wouldn't want and would stifle interesting debates/revelations. A pain at time for the mods as they do have legal responsibilities, but there is no better way of doing it I'm afraid.

I also feel slightly sorry for Soulsearcher (Sharon) in that she has provided her name and so is hardly anonymous. Think your comments Winnie are a bit self righteous saying that nobody appears to know her etc - what is she meant to do when she joins, get 10 recommendations from Soul Sourcers or provide pictorial evidence of her on the dancefloor? Are we turning into the sodding masons? This is meant to be an informative and fun forum not some sort of weird insular society. As with any other member she needs to stick to the rules and fair play, but equally if other members have made threats by PM or email (and I have no clue either way or much interest for that matter whether there's any truth in that or not) then they need to be kept in check too. It should be a level playing field, irrespective of whether you're a "celebrity" of the scene, a regular poster or a newbie. Sometimes on here it gets all a bit too incestuous and self-righteous

Rich

[paultp]

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well said paul

but i would nt want the world to know who wiganer1 was,,can we keep this a secret?

Sure Mark, no probs.

[paultp]

sorry i spoke

How do you manage to type with that large spoon in your hand?

[Pete S]

don't take the below the wrong way, mark, it's not a dig. just pointing out that it's all about your/each person's perspective

i think it all comes down to how sensitive and thin-skinned a person is (and you seem to be being sensitive on behalf of the entire world, here, which is taking it a bit far; i don't think you've suffered too many personal attacks, have you? when was the last time you were 'shot down'? i must admit, i don't read every post so it could have been yesterday for all i know but i can't remember it ever happening ).

the above post, for starters, could be seen to be pontificating and a personal dig by you...you're trying to dictate to other people, on a free forum, what they should and shouldn't say and having a dig at those people who post in ways of which you don't approve.

it just doesn't work like that, and it shouldn't, either.

the other night, on the kev roberts thing, you posted a slightly superior one liner about how it was all so boring...and then carried on watching the thread for the next two hours (as i pointed out, tongue-in-cheek). you can't have it both ways, you know .

if you don't want to post, that's up to you but i don't think you should really expect everyone else to fit in with your way of thinking in the hope that you'll post more often.

the bottom line, for me, is that this is a really big forum, with lots of sections.

if people don't like certain bits of it, they DON'T HAVE TO READ THEM.

it really is that simple.

if all you're interested in is, say, gig reviews, plugging your radio show and buying, selling and sharing sounds (all honourable things to use the site for) just use the relevant areas.

if you want to join in with a load of people wittering about a darts team ( ), do that.

if you like a good row about conspiracies, get involved...there's plenty of bile to go round

Well said Dan.

And also, well done for finally making a post which doesn't tell us how great Ady Croasdel is

[Guest Dan]

Well said Dan.

And also, well done for finally making a post which doesn't tell us how great Ady Croasdel is

he's my hero

[Pete S]

he's my hero

You don't say???

[Guest Stuart T]

he's my hero

If they made a film about northern soul Ady would be played by Chuck Norris, no doubt.

[Guest Dan]

You don't say???

services to the soul music scene etc*...a bit like kev's yours

*(i don't think i've mentioned him that much - just bigged up kent records and the 100 club occasionally, something i will do forevermore without fear or favour. there's nothing...er...weird... about it, peter )

If they made a film about northern soul Ady would be played by Chuck Norris, no doubt.

Chuck Norris doesn't 'play' anyone. Chuck Norris simply 'is'. Anyone who says Chuck Norris 'plays' people will receive a roundhouse kick to the face.

[Pete S]

services to the soul music scene etc*...a bit like kev's yours

Kev is no hero of mine, no dj is, well perhaps maybe Richard S, I only butt in with comments defending Kev when he's getting a pasting for no reason. Whereas in the past 12 months you have nominated Ady for everything including Poet Lauriate and the Popes Special Envoy.

[vaultofsouler]

Can anyone give me a good reason why members should not simply use their own names ?

Well Dave in answer to your question, but by no means a dig at you personally, I'll explain how it was for me.... and I suspect most others using "usernames"....

Maybe, like me, when you originally "signed up" you had to put a "username"..... remember, not your name but a username.... after much "shall I use this or shall I use that username", I opted for one that I use on most other things I have to log into that uses a "username and password".... means I don't have to have loads of "usernames" in use and I don't have to think "what username did I use on here".... I know this site "remembers" you (unless you delete your cookies folder) but on joining I didn't know that.... eBay "remembers you" if the option is ticked but only for 24 hours since last log in.... presumed this was the same....

I know since then, through various upgrades or alterations, Mike has incorporated the option of changing your "visible" name from that of, by default then, your username.... I thought of changing that option to my name but, after so long, I thought why bother....

What I did do was "edit" what is shown under the avatar bit, the wording that if left to default, indicates your amount of posts, massive again, getting more spins, etc., to my name....

Yours with much love Dave .... Lord Lucan ....

p.s. as for stopping these "one of dig posts" by new users, well I'm not sure that can ever be controlled....

Edited June 8, 2006 by vaultofsouler

[Dave Rimmer]

Well Dave in answer to your question, but by no means a dig at you personally, I'll explain how it was for me.... and I suspect most others using "usernames"....

Maybe, like me, when you originally "signed up" you had to put a "username"..... remember, not your name but a username.... after much "shall I use this or shall I use that username", I opted for one that I use on most other things I have to log into that uses a "username and password".... means I don't have to have loads of "usernames" in use and I don't have to think "what username did I use on here".... I know this site "remembers" you (unless you delete your cookies folder) but on joining I didn't know that.... eBay "remembers you" if the option is ticked but only for 24 hours since last log in.... presumed this was the same....

I know since then, through various upgrades or alterations, Mike has incorporated the option of changing your "visible" name from that of, by default then, your username.... I thought of changing that option to my name but, after so long, I thought why bother....

What I did do was "edit" what is shown under the avatar bit, the wording that if left to default, indicates your amount of posts, massive again, getting more spins, etc., to my name....

Yours with much love Dave .... Lord Lucan ....

p.s. as for stopping these "one of dig posts" by new users, well I'm not sure that can ever be controlled....

Er yes, but I just put Dave Rimmer in 'username'

[Mark Bicknell]

don't take the below the wrong way, mark, it's not a dig. just pointing out that it's all about your/each person's perspective

i think it all comes down to how sensitive and thin-skinned a person is (and you seem to be being sensitive on behalf of the entire world, here, which is taking it a bit far; i don't think you've suffered too many personal attacks, have you? when was the last time you were 'shot down'? i must admit, i don't read every post so it could have been yesterday for all i know but i can't remember it ever happening ).

the above post, for starters, could be seen to be pontificating and a personal dig by you...you're trying to dictate to other people, on a free forum, what they should and shouldn't say and having a dig at those people who post in ways of which you don't approve.

it just doesn't work like that, and it shouldn't, either.

the other night, on the kev roberts thing, you posted a slightly superior one liner about how it was all so boring...and then carried on watching the thread for the next two hours (as i pointed out, tongue-in-cheek). you can't have it both ways, you know .

if you don't want to post, that's up to you but i don't think you should really expect everyone else to fit in with your way of thinking in the hope that you'll post more often.

the bottom line, for me, is that this is a really big forum, with lots of sections.

if people don't like certain bits of it, they DON'T HAVE TO READ THEM.

it really is that simple.

if all you're interested in is, say, gig reviews, plugging your radio show and buying, selling and sharing sounds (all honourable things to use the site for) just use the relevant areas.

if you want to join in with a load of people wittering about a darts team ( ), do that.

if you like a good row about conspiracies, get involved...there's plenty of bile to go round

Taken in the genuine way it was written, no i did not mean personal attacts at me directly as such as i really don't care that much on a personal note, i meant simply that the general negatives on here sometimes are a little over the top, it has a habbit of getting too personal with hidden agendas and perhaps personal axes to grind, so if you do have something good, decent or constructive to say it can sometimes get lost in the mix.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

[Winnie :-)]

I think it's fine the way it is, as anything else would be too Big Brother and censorial, which I wouldn't want and would stifle interesting debates/revelations. A pain at time for the mods as they do have legal responsibilities, but there is no better way of doing it I'm afraid.

I also feel slightly sorry for Soulsearcher (Sharon) in that she has provided her name and so is hardly anonymous. Think your comments Winnie are a bit self righteous saying that nobody appears to know her etc - what is she meant to do when she joins, get 10 recommendations from Soul Sourcers or provide pictorial evidence of her on the dancefloor? Are we turning into the sodding masons? This is meant to be an informative and fun forum not some sort of weird insular society. As with any other member she needs to stick to the rules and fair play, but equally if other members have made threats by PM or email (and I have no clue either way or much interest for that matter whether there's any truth in that or not) then they need to be kept in check too. It should be a level playing field, irrespective of whether you're a "celebrity" of the scene, a regular poster or a newbie. Sometimes on here it gets all a bit too incestuous and self-righteous

Rich

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Rich,

I'm not sure how the comments were self righteous, initially Lucy/Sharon's posts were anonymous, and quite vitriolic, I doubted the validity because it's rare for someone to join and make such a post. It has happened in the past and has usually been proven to be someone with an agenda.

Mike said he was annoyed at people coming on SS and making unsubstantiated accusations etc, and since that post people have been putting up suggestions. One that I made was regarding the validity of a person. For instance, if I say something controversial, and you don't like it, and I'm using a pseudonym, you could if you wanted find out if anybody in my area knew me etc (provided I've given you the correct area) That was what I meant by self moderating, most of us know someone via someone, so must of us appear to be real people. Nobody came on and said I know Sharon/Lucy, even though she said she'd been on the scene for 30 years, I found that a little strange when her identity was being questioned.

Everything is a level playing field as far as I'm concerned, I comment on who's posts I want to and how I want, to despite who they are, or their standing on the scene. But I maintain if your first post is a rant, then it's probably going to be questioned by someone.

Sharon/Lucy not sure which you prefer, I apologise for doubting your authenticity, which was my main bone of contention from within your post.

Rich I don't apologise for questioning who she is and if you think that's self righteous then so be it!

Winnie:-)

Er yes, but I just put Dave Rimmer in 'username'

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But are you the real Dave Rimmer?

Dave Rimmer :-)

[Guest Dan]

most of us appear to be real people.

i'm sorry winnie, i'm not having that

[Winnie :-)]

i'm sorry winnie, i'm not having that

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Ok real in the cyber sense of the word

[Guest Dan]

Taken in the genuine way it was written, no i did not mean personal attacts at me directly as such as i really don't care that much on a personal note, i meant simply that the general negatives on here sometimes are a little over the top, it has a habbit of getting too personal with hidden agendas and perhaps personal axes to grind, so if you do have something good, decent or constructive to say it can sometimes get lost in the mix.

Regards - Mark Bicknell.

fair dos mark, as you've seen it wasn't a pop

i stick by what i said though: sticks and stones will break my bones etc...people should just ignore people/posts you don't like as you would in the real world

by the way, and not apropos the above, does anyone else think this whole thing is a bit surreal? easy to see how some people get sucked in to cyberspace and start thinking it's real isn't it

[Dave Rimmer]

But are you the real Dave Rimmer?

Dave Rimmer :-)

To be honest no, my real name is Winnie.

Perhaps it's just me being a bit naive, but why on earth would I want to put someone else's name. I'm allegedly an adult, which means I have to accept responsibility for what I say and do. So I use my own name on this, and all the other forums I'm on. If you don't like what I say, tough, but at least I'm prepared to say it, and identify myself when I say it, and stand by what I said.

I'm always slightly suspicious of people who don't use their own names, what are they ashamed of ? (No offence Mark, but Vault Of Souler identifies you pretty much anyway.)

Edited June 8, 2006 by Dave Rimmer

[Guest in town Mikey]

Can somebody tell me who I am. I cant remember.

[Guest]

Can somebody tell me who I am. I cant remember.

Bobby Vinton?

[Guest in town Mikey]

I think it's fine the way it is, as anything else would be too Big Brother and censorial, which I wouldn't want and would stifle interesting debates/revelations. A pain at time for the mods as they do have legal responsibilities, but there is no better way of doing it I'm afraid.

I also feel slightly sorry for Soulsearcher (Sharon) in that she has provided her name and so is hardly anonymous. Think your comments Winnie are a bit self righteous saying that nobody appears to know her etc - what is she meant to do when she joins, get 10 recommendations from Soul Sourcers or provide pictorial evidence of her on the dancefloor? Are we turning into the sodding masons? This is meant to be an informative and fun forum not some sort of weird insular society. As with any other member she needs to stick to the rules and fair play, but equally if other members have made threats by PM or email (and I have no clue either way or much interest for that matter whether there's any truth in that or not) then they need to be kept in check too. It should be a level playing field, irrespective of whether you're a "celebrity" of the scene, a regular poster or a newbie. Sometimes on here it gets all a bit too incestuous and self-righteous

Rich

Wasnt Sharon Initially Rick? Is Rick short for a girls name? is Sharon a girls name? I was at school with a guy named tracey.

Scotty Didnt you just send me at text from Frankfurt?

Isnt it weird how being on the continent, the times of the posts are correct?

[Simsy]

Can somebody tell me who I am. I cant remember.

Bobby Vinton remember!

[Guest in town Mikey]

Bobby Vinton?

Ahh

like a rubber ball....

Ken you are right mate.

Blueeeeeemooooooon

[Simsy]

Bobby Vinton remember!

Damn, Ken beat me to it. I did put the avatar on for him though after spotting the similarity ..

[SteveM]

Er yes, but I just put Dave Rimmer in 'username'

[Dave Moore]

by the way, and not apropos the above, does anyone else think this whole thing is a bit surreal? easy to see how some people get sucked in to cyberspace and start thinking it's real isn't it

You'd be suprised how many people I meet in the States that think these forums are the "actual" "scene" itself!!

I'm constantly trying to explain that 50 people posting on a forum is not "The Scene" and that the silent majority are actually more typical of UK soulfolks.

Regards,

Dave

www.hitsvillesoulclub.com

[Guest in town Mikey]

You'd be suprised how many people I meet in the States that think these forums are the "actual" "scene" itself!!

I'm constantly trying to explain that 50 people posting on a forum is not "The Scene" and that the silent majority are actually more typical of UK soulfolks.

Regards,

Dave

www.hitsvillesoulclub.com

You're talking nonesense Dave.

Are you gunna be one of the faces Jimmy? WHADDA YA MEAN? I AM THE FACE!

If you dont come on Soul Source, and sell all your bootlegs on ebay, your not a real Northern Souler

[Winsford Soul]

I think it would be unfair to 'make' new members use there own names, there is plenty of people on here with puesudims, you would have to make them all change there name too,

You have to think of it this way round (sorry steve im going to use you as a example) steve is 'Little stevie' now if you didnt know steve you would think well who is it, its only because we all know who he is either from being out and about or 'getting to know him' through these pages that you become 'aware' of who the name is.

Well said Baz, I use Winsford Soul but always sign off my post with Steve. And if anybody asked me my surname i would gladly tell them its Smith. The problem with not putting your name or where you live on your personall details is when you post you could be anyone from anywhere. And there are to many unknowns hiding behind false or made up names how are then not accountable for any shit they may cause.

Winsford Soul

Steve

[steve z]

fed up of people coming on here and posting accusations against existing members and when these are proven wrong, not having the decency to hold hands up and say "sorry got it wrong"

think fair to say that most if not all of our well known members have been subject to this, and while the original thinking of allowing such posts was it helps clear up misunderstandings, kills rumours and such, due to the misuse by some am now looking at this issue very closely

Hi all readind Mikes post.

You may not know me but I doubt many have Steve Z as a sign on ATB Steve

[Guest Matt Male]

the bottom line, for me, is that this is a really big forum, with lots of sections.

if people don't like certain bits of it, they DON'T HAVE TO READ THEM.

it really is that simple.

if all you're interested in is, say, gig reviews, plugging your radio show and buying, selling and sharing sounds (all honourable things to use the site for) just use the relevant areas.

if you want to join in with a load of people wittering about a darts team ( ), do that.

if you like a good row about conspiracies, get involved...there's plenty of bile to go round

I agree... Arrggghhh what am i saying???

As for member names, no honestly my second name really is Male (as in real man )

M.

[Guest martinsbox]

How about having a box on members profile page for your real name?

Why not have a box after your name like me??

Martin

[pikeys dog]

Common sense dictates that there should be the use of usernames, otherwise Pete Smith from Leeds would be accused of looking like an Oompaloompa and Pete Smith from Wolverhampton way would be accused of being a lush.

There is only one Jamien though...

[SteveM]

I agree... Arrggghhh what am i saying???

As for member names, no honestly my second name really is Male (as in real man )

M.

[Guest andrew bin]

the reason i don't use my real name is that if the people from the disability benefits department should happen to visit this forum and see that "Andrew ******* from Abergavenny was doing back drops and spins at the allnighter last night" they might ivestigate a bit further and stop the money i claim for my bad back and knackerd knees and flat feet

[mischief]

the reason i don't use my real name is that if the people from the disability benefits department should happen to visit this forum and see that "Andrew ******* from Abergavenny was doing back drops and spins at the allnighter last night" they might ivestigate a bit further and stop the money i claim for my bad back and knackerd knees and flat feet

Its not for the back drops you get disability payments

[Guest vinylvixen]

If they made a film about northern soul Ady would be played by Chuck Norris, no doubt.

I was thinking more Richard Gere it's the boyish good looks but i'm not sure if Richard's collection is as good as Ady's....... Jo

[Billywhizz]

Sharon is my middle name - i don't use Lucy much - hey, how did you find that out anyway?

3 honest questions 1.were you at the marrs last 2. Do you know mad Shane 3.hope to see you at cleethorpes if you don't answer or come back with negative answers next time i see you i will look into your eyes and i know straight away if you put one over me.

Billy by day sue by night

[Guest dundeedavie]

well i use my name and you have to question what posessed my mother to call me Dundee lol

[Guest ShaneH]

3 honest questions 1.were you at the marrs last 2. Do you know mad Shane 3.hope to see you at cleethorpes if you don't answer or come back with negative answers next time i see you i will look into your eyes and i know straight away if you put one over me.

Billy by day sue by night

brilliant

see you in cleggy billy.

on a serious note i don't mind the funny names. However, the original post was in reference to the content of some recent posts that have featured unfounded allegations. now that is out of order!

Shane

Edited June 8, 2006 by ShaneH

[Billywhizz]

brilliant

see you in cleggy billy.

would be great if you could join me on the waltzer in pleasure island. spinning with billy would be very surreal

on a serious note i don't mind the funny names. However, the original post was in reference to the content of some recent posts that have featured unfounded allegations. now that is out of order!

Shane

Shane i won't be there til Saturday night i am on a fun run Saturday morning you always put a smile on my face when i see you i love the way you walk unfounded allegations are out of order that shoud've been taken off straight away theres never a dull day on soul source.

Cheers Sue its getting dark now

[Dave]

well i use my name and you have to question what posessed my mother to call me Dundee lol

Do you have an ancestor called Crocodile??

[Maark]

So am I!! I was quite happy being soulsearcher until you turned up! :angry:

sorry i spoke

[Cunnie]

Can anyone give me a good reason why members should not simply use their own names ?

Butch & Soul Sam.

If false names are good enough for them they're good enough for me

Cunnie aka Martin Dixon but quite often called several other unrepeatable things

[Mak]

Another intresting debate , but now getting fed up with it.

TONY McKENNA (MAK)