Popular Post boba Posted August 26, 2013 Popular Post Posted August 26, 2013 This could be the greatest podcast in the world but reviewing it, no matter how rationally, is pointless because any positive comment is construed as upping IL's persona and any critique, no matter how constructive, is construed as a deep personal attack on IL and met with barrage of counter-attacks from mindless yes-men and then the great man himself. Then you become a personal enemy of IL for expressing an opinion on music. I wish this were about the music and the actual artists. There's obviously some good music on here, unfortunately tainted by the context. 9
Steve G Posted August 26, 2013 Posted August 26, 2013 (edited) This could be the greatest podcast in the world but reviewing it, no matter how rationally, is pointless because any positive comment is construed as upping IL's persona and any critique, no matter how constructive, is construed as a deep personal attack on IL and met with barrage of counter-attacks from mindless yes-men and then the great man himself. Then you become a personal enemy of IL for expressing an opinion on music. I wish this were about the music and the actual artists. There's obviously some good music on here, unfortunately tainted by the context. Yep that's how a lot of us feel Bob. You could say that some of them are good records known to collectors. You could say that some are lesser known. You could say some of them aren't good and some of the so called rarest aren't in the Manship price guide because they're obviously not soul records.......The Panics and Cilka indeed! BUT it doesn't matter what you say, views on Ian's music have become so polarised it's best just to ignore it all. To his fans he's obviously doing a fantastic job with these podcasts. And I hope they all put their money where their keyboard comments are and turn out to support him at his new London night. We all know that Ian doesn't react at all well to criticism but where do these podcasts fit in with today's northern / rare scene? He's never going to appeal to the oldies fans with this stuff, and the collector /rare soul people are the ones likely to know these records. Dave Abbott and others playing Irma Routen.....Dave T cover up on The Products etc. Edited August 26, 2013 by Steve G 1
Popular Post boba Posted August 26, 2013 Popular Post Posted August 26, 2013 I don't even care who's playing what, who played what first, etc. I'm not even part of that scene. And unfortunately I do have to care about $5 vs. $5000 because I'm a collector but I don't want to hear about it on a podcast as it doesn't really reflect much on the music, and I never talk about values on my radio show. I will give info on the record or artist if I think it would be interesting to the artists (e.g. "this was a group of GIs stationed in Thailand who recorded and released a record on their own Louisiana label"). Clearly the DJ's persona comes through in any podcast but the podcast shouldn't be "about" the DJ, it should be about the music. And IL is doing a nice thing for his fans, who will enjoy what he does. But they are fans of him, and that's what he's putting out on the podcasts. 4
Mal C Posted August 26, 2013 Posted August 26, 2013 (edited) Its such a loaded subject this, but I have to say I love Ian's Pod casts, they are great... and although some of what he says is wrapped up in the 'Struggle' he has with who ever... it makes for interesting listening in addition to the music. As for values, I agree, you should never mention value because its not about the music.. I hope he keeps on doing them, I for one will listen in... Mal.C Edited August 26, 2013 by Mal.C. 3
boba Posted August 26, 2013 Posted August 26, 2013 i just wrote some more but erased it, it's pointless, as there's no way to have a constructive conversation about his music without it being a conversation about him. And there's no way to have a constructive conversation about him. I even played a Levine record on my radio show today, an LJ Johnson record, LJ has such a fantastic voice, and I'm glad the record was made. Next week I'm interviewing a group (the Teques) where one of the members doesn't have a such positive opinion of Ian, but she can say what she wants to when she speaks. 3
Hitsville Chalky Posted August 30, 2013 Posted August 30, 2013 Well Levine as done 10 ..so this in my Fav the old saying.. save the best till last ... I wonder if Ian will do anymore ?
Hitsville Chalky Posted August 30, 2013 Posted August 30, 2013 i just wrote some more but erased it, it's pointless, as there's no way to have a constructive conversation about his music without it being a conversation about him. And there's no way to have a constructive conversation about him. I even played a Levine record on my radio show today, an LJ Johnson record, LJ has such a fantastic voice, and I'm glad the record was made. Next week I'm interviewing a group (the Teques) where one of the members doesn't have a such positive opinion of Ian, but she can say what she wants to when she speaks. What did they say ...Did'nt think levine worked with them ?
boba Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 What did they say ...Did'nt think levine worked with them ? he worked with one of the members loretta stokes
Kegsy Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 i just wrote some more but erased it, it's pointless, as there's no way to have a constructive conversation about his music without it being a conversation about him. And there's no way to have a constructive conversation about him. I even played a Levine record on my radio show today, an LJ Johnson record, LJ has such a fantastic voice, and I'm glad the record was made. Next week I'm interviewing a group (the Teques) where one of the members doesn't have a such positive opinion of Ian, but she can say what she wants to when she speaks. The Teques If I Could is a brilliant tune IMHO. Kegsy
Guest Bearsy Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 If this is the best of the 10 then I don't think I will be listening to any of the others lol. Best track on there is the Tommy Tucker the rest sadly to my ears are less than average at best. Would anyone give this to someone to listen to and say "this is what Northern Soul is all about" I know I wouldn't.
Gold Band Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 Couple of Decent tracks as usual, all can't be to everyones tastes nice to see Daves Products uncovered every now & then IL does show some soul taste for others to enjoy but reading some of the comments here I can see why he gets a tad miffed but as we all know when someone leaves the room someone will always make comments wether in jest or just being twofaced. Oh & I won't be going to London.
Gold Band Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 (edited) The Teques If I Could is a brilliant tune IMHO. Kegsy Another artist looking for a copy of her own track need to see the article on youtube. Can someone let her know Manships got a copy for a tenner. https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/search/Label/Star-vue/all/1 By the way Kegsy I like Both Sides Edited August 31, 2013 by Gold Band
Steve G Posted September 1, 2013 Posted September 1, 2013 The Teques If I Could is a brilliant tune IMHO. Kegsy Their other one is fab as well.....really nice stepper. 2
Tony Smith Posted September 1, 2013 Posted September 1, 2013 Out of interest what is the going rate on Irma Routen? I used to play it a while back after being put on to it by Brad from Colne, I gave on e to Marco a couple of years back which he traded, will the price go up or, down?
Tony Smith Posted September 1, 2013 Posted September 1, 2013 Out of interest what is the going rate on Irma Routen? I used to play it a while back after being put on to it by Brad from Colne, I gave on e to Marco a couple of years back which he traded, will the price go up or, down?
Pete S Posted September 4, 2013 Posted September 4, 2013 (edited) I knew I knew that Panics record. I got an email just now from a friend, Paul, and he said 'have you still got my Panics record' and I said what? He said it was in the cheapies boxes he gave me 2 months back - I just dumped them in the garage as there was nothing there - and lo and behold, there it was, a Swan demo. Obviously this makes me re-evaluate the record, I misjudged it before and now I think it's great so if anyone wants a copy, I'm your man! in case anyone thinks I make this stuff up.. Edited September 4, 2013 by Pete S 1
Wiganer1 Posted September 4, 2013 Author Posted September 4, 2013 had a 2nd listen its grows on u,,,,
Tony Smith Posted September 4, 2013 Posted September 4, 2013 I quite liked Irma Routen when I first heard it from Barrie Waddington about 10 years ago so bought it off him for £150 and sold it on here for about the same I think- Played it out a couple of times when I first bought it to bemused punters and I have to agree with Pete - It does sound like a show tune. If IM not mistaken the other side is pretty good. Never seen an Issue copy. The other side is Daydream, I agree it's good too.
boba Posted September 5, 2013 Posted September 5, 2013 Another artist looking for a copy of her own track need to see the article on youtube. Can someone let her know Manships got a copy for a tenner. https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/search/Label/Star-vue/all/1 By the way Kegsy I like Both Sides I gave them a copy of that record. They rescheduled the interview to some time in October. I give anyone I interview a copy of their record if it's worth less than like $100. 1
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