boba Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 anyone know what the story is with this record / singer? is elsie a transvestite? an unusual real woman? i quickly googled and couldn't find any info. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-plPRFlJko also, do people really think the record is "great" and "fantastic"? nothing to do with the gender of the singer, it's just not that good singing and production. does it have some sort of history on the scene? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Roburt Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Might be out of the same bag as Jerri / Jerry Jones ..... OR ..... ...... involved with the 'Jewel Box Review ' ......... https://worldofwonder.net/2010/01/08/The_Jewel_Box_Revue/ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share Posted August 1, 2013 i know of some history of drag performers (e.g. the ones with rudy ray moore) but not ones who attempted to record real original music singles phil medley wrote "twist and shout" apparently and isn't famous for that much else. would love to know more backstory. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Spook Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Hi, Thats my utube clip above and I know nothing about the 45. All I know is the 1st time my wife heard the track she advised (!) me nicely to buy it because she liked it. I've played it out a couple of times and Errol Green also has a copy. David Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soulfulsolutions Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 Sold one copy of 2 to Errol a year or so ago, nice track, I was undecided about the voice, a female Roy Hamilton, or a male Elsie Dickson, not sure which, but it leads on nicely to Phil Terrell - Love has passed me by - Carnival..., never been sure! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Keithw Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 sure i was told it had something to do with tranny in hairspray dont care about that -- but not keen on the record to be fair Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sunnysoul Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 i know of some history of drag performers (e.g. the ones with rudy ray moore) but not ones who attempted to record real original music singles phil medley wrote "twist and shout" apparently and isn't famous for that much else. would love to know more backstory. Bob , you're into the All Platinum label, are you aware of this LP on its Snake Eyes label subsidiary ? https://www.popsike.com/PEARL-BOX-REVUE-2LP-Call-Me-MISSter-SEALED-Dorian-Corey/260694979850.html Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Prophonics 2029 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Talking of Male/Female and Roy Hamilton, just found this. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted August 5, 2013 Author Share Posted August 5, 2013 sure i was told it had something to do with tranny in hairspray dont care about that -- but not keen on the record to be fair it's not divine from hairspray, i got a photo of elsie dickson, it's an old dude, divine would have been early 20s. re: the all platinum comedy record, I actually have that because i have a Black comedy LP collection (also have lots of rudy ray moore related transvestite things) but it's not the same thing (this is someone trying to do a real song, not trying to act nasty) and I don't collect all platinum LPs. Thanks for the link though, it is a weird record. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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Sebastian Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 i know of some history of drag performers (e.g. the ones with rudy ray moore) but not ones who attempted to record real original music singles Jackie Shane would qualify, I guess. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Roburt Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 (edited) Jackie Shane would qualify, I guess. You're not trying to suggest Jackie dressed strangely are you ????????? ......... can't believe that at all & he looks normal here (surely) ........... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUYW2iwimBw I believe that Canadian TV broadcast a documentary show on him & his career around 3 years back -- 'I Got Mine: The Story Of Jackie Shane' ....... you are supposed to be able to view it here ...... ........... https://www.cbc.ca/player/RADIO+HOLDING+PEN/Inside+the+Music/ID/1573058286/?sort=MostPopular ...but it woun't play for me .......anyone here get to see it ? Edited August 6, 2013 by Roburt Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Sebastian Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 You're not trying to suggest Jackie dressed strangely are you ????????? No, not strange. He was a cross-dresser and wore what is traditionally considered womens clothes. He was just open minded and ahead of the pack. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted August 6, 2013 Author Share Posted August 6, 2013 whoa, i actually always assumed he was really masculine for some reason, I mainly know "in my tenement". He's also singing about being a "poor boy" and talking about his girl. I don't think he's a true cross dresser, just very effeminate, e.g., not trying to pass as a woman. Reminds me of tony washington of the dynamic superiors. either way, really interesting. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted August 6, 2013 Author Share Posted August 6, 2013 would like to see the doc, didn't work for me either. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Roburt Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 whoa, i actually always assumed he was really masculine for some reason, I mainly know "in my tenement". He's also singing about being a "poor boy" and talking about his girl. I don't think he's a true cross dresser, just very effeminate, e.g., not trying to pass as a woman. Reminds me of tony washington of the dynamic superiors. either way, really interesting. I think you may be wrong there Bob. There's a Canadian web site that I recently visited (though I can't find it today) that had loads of info on the 60's Toronto music scene. Up on that was a photo of Jackie on stage and he's fully rigged out in womens clothes (with that 'Diana Ross type glamorous' look). Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Roburt Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 (edited) Cleveland / Florida / Jamaica based Jerri Jones (a twist here as she was a woman who dressed as a man) .... ..... Jerry / Jerri was close friends with Kim Tolliver, so I wonder if Jerri also 'hooked up' with Billy Wells down in Florida ? Edited August 6, 2013 by Roburt Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ady Croasdell Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 i know of some history of drag performers (e.g. the ones with rudy ray moore) but not ones who attempted to record real original music singles phil medley wrote "twist and shout" apparently and isn't famous for that much else. would love to know more backstory. Phil did some very good soul productions including Frank Dell, Pat Lundy, Dee Dee Warwick and the Quotations which I'd bet you're already a fan of Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ady Croasdell Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Sold one copy of 2 to Errol a year or so ago, nice track, I was undecided about the voice, a female Roy Hamilton, or a male Elsie Dickson, not sure which, but it leads on nicely to Phil Terrell - Love has passed me by - Carnival..., never been sure! Phil was a school teacher in Jersey for many years and I'm pretty sure lead a conventional life. Check out his other Carnival sides, great records and I don't think he sounds particularly feminine on them. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted August 7, 2013 Author Share Posted August 7, 2013 I think you may be wrong there Bob. There's a Canadian web site that I recently visited (though I can't find it today) that had loads of info on the 60's Toronto music scene. Up on that was a photo of Jackie on stage and he's fully rigged out in womens clothes (with that 'Diana Ross type glamorous' look). doesn't really contradict what i said above Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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boba Posted August 7, 2013 Author Share Posted August 7, 2013 pete, thanks for the rip. but did the original have video? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 pete, thanks for the rip. but did the original have video? No don't think so, it was a radio broadcast only from what I've been able to find out. Looks like he was tracked down but then disappeared next time the guy rang him. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
boba Posted August 7, 2013 Author Share Posted August 7, 2013 great thanks so much Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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