Hammersoul Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 Finally got a bit of time on my hands today so thought i`d get some info: What was the original version? I know James Phelps came out in 1971 ,John Edwards and Nate Evans 1972,rest no idea??? Did the Magnetics come out on a 45 or is it under another name . Floyd Smith seem to get his money`s worth out of this song,have to say all the versions are good.Bit of fun what`s your fav. Clock starts now
Peter99 Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 Finally got a bit of time on my hands today so thought i`d get some info: What was the original version? I know James Phelps came out in 1971 ,John Edwards and Nate Evans 1972,rest no idea??? Did the Magnetics come out on a 45 or is it under another name . Floyd Smith seem to get his money`s worth out of this song,have to say all the versions are good.Bit of fun what`s your fav. Clock starts now Great record. My favourite version is the Satin one - Your Loves Got Me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvX6CYqzCb4 Peter 1
John Reed Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 (edited) Wayne, You forgot Johnny Dollar's version on Fised. Nate Evan's verson also came out as Nate Evans & Buss before Nate Evans and Mean Green, but they're same song. Edited July 18, 2013 by John Reed 2
Wiggyflat Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 I've the Mean Green version....wasn't it booted as well.Was the record that big in the seventies to warrant the boot or was it a case of pressing before the demand.
Mal C Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 (edited) Wayne, You forgot Johnny Dollar's version on Fised. Nate Evan's verson also came out as Nate Evans & Buss before Nate Evans and Mean Green, but they're same song. was going to mention the flip side on the Nate Evans, the brilliant 'This Time With Feeling', does that appear on both the Buss and Mean Green releases? ohh, Phelpsy's making a come back... Malcolm Edited July 18, 2013 by Mal.C.
Nickinstoke Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 I've the Mean Green version....wasn't it booted as well.Was the record that big in the seventies to warrant the boot or was it a case of pressing before the demand. Booted (or reissued legally? I never knew which) for the other side
Sjclement Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 was going to mention the flip side on the Nate Evans, the brilliant 'This Time With Feeling', does that appear on both the Buss and Mean Green releases? ohh, Phelpsy's making a come back... Malcolm Yep both the Buss and Mean Green are the same record A & B, case of identity change for what reason I do not know. Perhaps someone can enlighten us.
Jim Ohara Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 Great record. My favourite version is the Satin one - Your Loves Got Me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvX6CYqzCb4 Peter Mine too Peter, although I did have the John Edwards years ago and stil really really rate it Like the james phelps too,but the female backing irritates me a bit Question, what's it worth these days - satin? Also, who is/was satin - are they black/white? Jim 1
manus Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 Got to be James Phelps for me - first heard this in Micky Powney's house in 1975 and thought it was brilliant - but didn't hear any of the versions played out until around 87/88 ? 3
John Reed Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 Also, who is/was satin - are they black/white? He was Lennie Satin who released Somebody Help Me / Homebound on FIP (the same label as Mel Britt) 2
Jim Ohara Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 He was Lennie Satin who released Somebody Help Me / Homebound on FIP (the same label as Mel Britt) Thanks john, never knew that
Peter99 Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 Mine too Peter, although I did have the John Edwards years ago and stil really really rate it Like the james phelps too,but the female backing irritates me a bit Question, what's it worth these days - satin? Also, who is/was satin - are they black/white? Jim Hi Jim This version is sweeter than the others imo - I like them all, but this is my favourite. John answered the who is it bit. I think the Satin release is a tough one - can only guess at current value as I haven't seen one for ages. I suspect it's well over £500. Peter
Peter99 Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 Cheers Peter, too much for me mate Yep, me too. I don't buy expensive stuff anymore. Peter
Benji Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 Hi Jim This version is sweeter than the others imo - I like them all, but this is my favourite. John answered the who is it bit. I think the Satin release is a tough one - can only guess at current value as I haven't seen one for ages. I suspect it's well over £500. Peter Satin about 350/400 more likely. Bit tricky to locate.
Jim Ohara Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 Looking at the votes, cant believe Nate Evans and John Edwards have the same votes JE is streets ahead IMO - maybe I will go check them all out again though - just in case!!!
boba Posted July 18, 2013 Posted July 18, 2013 Satin is Lennie Satin, who also recorded a record on FIP. Nate Evans pressed both versions of the 45 himself. "The magnetics" is not the magnetics, it's John McKinney (of the Magnetics) with just some girls backing, recorded in New York. Either the Satin or Phelps is the first version, probably the Satin. 2
Guest Ivor Jones Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 Interesting thread for me this..... Personally, I have always thought they all share the same backing track except of course John Edwards, which is a far superior professional sounding production... Whether its better though is purely down to personal taste I would say. All other versions are essentially the same backing track though( maybe a little overdub here or there but otherwise identical). Rarity wise, in my opinion,the Satin version is easily the hardest to obtain though... From its plays from the late 80s onwards, (mainly via Gary Dennis in the UK), it was always a real toughie to turn up. I reckon I've seen no more than probably 5 of these come up for sale since those times whilst I've probably seen 20-30 copies of James Phelps( which is probably the dearest version to buy these days).... Price wise though, I'd put the Satin at about £300-350,less than stated earlier. They're all good though aren't they? Best, Ivor
Hammersoul Posted July 19, 2013 Author Posted July 19, 2013 Wayne, You forgot Johnny Dollar's version on Fised. Nate Evan's verson also came out as Nate Evans & Buss before Nate Evans and Mean Green, but they're same song. I didn`t know about that version as well John,will try and find a clip. So it looks like Satin might have been the first release?Any idea of year? For me James Phelps and John Edwards are best versions but i think there all good in there own way.John Edwards also got the wonderful A-side: it`s those little things that count . Thx for the feedback guys,keep it coming 1
John Reed Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 My version preference is James Phelps and then John Edwards over the other versions, but do think it’s a tight run thing. Of the two songs I think I prefer You Were Made For Love over The Look On Your Face and on that case I prefer John Edward’s rendition on Aware, which was his next record after his Bell release. So for me it’s a draw with: J.P. 1 — J.E. 1 1
boba Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 someone in TX turned up some small quantity of satin that went through ebay like 5 years ago. didn't affect price much. i think johnny dollar stole the song, when i was going through john mckinney's stuff i actually found sheet music for the song that had him as writing it (I guess it could have been stolen from him). but there's also the weird title changes. let me see if i scanned the sheet music. 2
Oldsoulman Posted July 19, 2013 Posted July 19, 2013 Johnny Dollar version for those who don't know it https://youtu.be/fFAxuapEmSI 1
bri pinch Posted July 21, 2013 Posted July 21, 2013 ...........of course satin is the best and rarest version, any other's are just..........
SLAMMINSOUL Posted July 22, 2013 Posted July 22, 2013 John Edwards Now This fella could sing. Truely awesome! Atb Clint 2
boba Posted July 22, 2013 Posted July 22, 2013 John Edwards Now This fella could sing. Truely awesome! Atb Clint i agree, and he was lead of the spinners since phillipe wynne left in '77
Hammersoul Posted July 22, 2013 Author Posted July 22, 2013 Here`s all the songs for those of you that wanna compare: James Phelps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSrJDDCSKAs
Hammersoul Posted July 22, 2013 Author Posted July 22, 2013 Satin is already been posted,here`s John Edwards:
Hammersoul Posted July 22, 2013 Author Posted July 22, 2013 Nate Evans and Mean Green: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkqAJHjX-q4
Hammersoul Posted July 22, 2013 Author Posted July 22, 2013 (edited) Going by info from a previous thread on here,this is only way you can own on a 45 via grapevine,was a acetate only which Richard Sealing had/has: The Magnetics feat John Mckinney: Edited July 22, 2013 by Hammersoul
Hammersoul Posted July 22, 2013 Author Posted July 22, 2013 Johnny Dollar version for those who don't know it https://youtu.be/fFAxuapEmSIThx for posting this up,personally i thought this was the weakiest version but if the mods want to add it to poll,feel free to doso,i can`t add it.
Hammersoul Posted July 22, 2013 Author Posted July 22, 2013 Great thread Wayne. I've cast my vote Nice one Pat,hope your well?
Dranny Posted July 22, 2013 Posted July 22, 2013 Got to be Satin for me Johnny Dollar wot a name sounds like a 70s working mens club turn love that name ,not too bad a version . Satin always Great post Martyn
Benji Posted July 22, 2013 Posted July 22, 2013 Johnny Dollar version for those who don't know it https://youtu.be/fFAxuapEmSI same bloke? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp5h8eeRIXE
Guest nsoulxx Posted July 22, 2013 Posted July 22, 2013 Great record. My favourite version is the Satin one - Your Loves Got Mehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvX6CYqzCb4 Peter Beautiful, best version ever
Garethx Posted July 22, 2013 Posted July 22, 2013 John Edwards. James Phelps is a great 45 for the ballad flip too. The others all pale a bit to be honest. 1
boba Posted July 22, 2013 Posted July 22, 2013 Going by info from a previous thread on here,this is only way you can own on a 45 via grapevine,was a acetate only which Richard Sealing had/has: The Magnetics feat John Mckinney: I said this above, but this record doesn't have the magnetics on it. It is John McKinney of the Magnetics though.
Russ Vickers Posted July 23, 2013 Posted July 23, 2013 someone in TX turned up some small quantity of satin that went through ebay like 5 years ago. didn't affect price much. I thought this guy still had copies but always wanted top, top $$$ ??? Best Russ
boba Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 I thought this guy still had copies but always wanted top, top $$$ ??? Best Russ maybe, i don't know. it would be strange if he had more than one or two copies though since otherwise listing them on ebay and selling them is better for him than sitting on records forever.
Jim Ohara Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 I'd certainly be interested in one if anyone has one for sale? Jim
Hammersoul Posted July 24, 2013 Author Posted July 24, 2013 I thought this guy still had copies but always wanted top, top $$$ ??? Best RussI do remember a seller about 6/7 years ago or something like that (time flies these days) listings a few copies on ebay.I remembera mate asking if i would order a copy so we could try and work a deal.Sadly i could`t afford it at time,think it worked out about £300 for a copy but my memory isn`t what it was lol. 1
Steve G Posted July 26, 2013 Posted July 26, 2013 Yes guy in Texas had a few Satins - certainly more than two...... Different Johnny Dollar (name is actually a slang term) although I seem to recall something else by the Fised guy. Right so please don't make me try and find my Manifesto article on this...... .....for the hard of reading there are two song titles here with the same music - "The Look on your face" is credited in BMI to Floyd Smith so my money is on Apache being the first reeleased version, with possibly Johnny McKinney being the first recording of the song if not Phelps. "Your loves got me" - credited to Charles Fisher as songwriter on BMI, so probably Fised (Johnny Dollar) (wasn't Fised one of Fisher's labels?) first and then Satin who credits the song as being by him and Smith-Smith. I do agree though that Nate Evans and John Edwards were later. Cheers ......Steve
Hammersoul Posted July 29, 2013 Author Posted July 29, 2013 Would love to read the article in Manifesto Steve,could you bring it to Filthy`s next month? Gonna run the poll for one more week then lock it down for those that have not voted yet.satin and James Phelps are level top at mo. Again thx to everyone who posted .
boba Posted August 15, 2013 Posted August 15, 2013 johnny dollar on fised is johnny dollar on mccormick, if not other johnny dollars as well
Mark S Posted August 15, 2013 Posted August 15, 2013 Phelps is the stronger version for me . A pleasant enough record nothing special to my cloth ears but so many versions I must be missing something
Karlm Posted August 15, 2013 Posted August 15, 2013 For me the background vocals and the production of the John Edwards version leaves the rest far behind.. 2
Cunnie Posted August 18, 2013 Posted August 18, 2013 Obviously Nate Evans is the best version by far. Not only is it the best but the other side is even better so no contest really. We can discuss this over a beer on Sunday Wayne https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBSAm3zrDo0 2
Mal C Posted August 18, 2013 Posted August 18, 2013 Obviously Nate Evans is the best version by far. Not only is it the best but the other side is even better so no contest really. We can discuss this over a beer on Sunday Wayne https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBSAm3zrDo0 there is love in them there hills after all.. M 1
Jim Ohara Posted August 18, 2013 Posted August 18, 2013 For me the background vocals and the production of the John Edwards version leaves the rest far behind.. Must agree, the JE version has never had the recognition it deserves Maybe a case of not obscure enough I think it's a close call between JE and Satin
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