Unreleased Motown

[Fuzzj]

heard a tune called .i have a right to cry ,brenda  binn?can anyone clarify please..as not sure at all.

[Agentsmith]

"crying time" by brenda holloway?

[Roburt]

I think you mean La Brenda Ben ...........

And the track you're referring to is Track 17 on CD1 of 'Cellarful of Motown Vol.4' ........

LISTEN HERE ......... https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cellarful-Of-Motown-Vol/dp/B003XDV3HA

[Chalky]

LaBrenda Ben "I've Got A Right To Cry" aka "Lead Me And Guide Me"

[MrsWoodsrules]

Okay, while were on the subject of Motor City.

Which is the rarest Marvin Gaye Love Starved Heart is it Brown Tamla?

And what is the score with Marvin's Past Time Love, did it ever get an issue?

[Chalky]

You asked about "Past Time Love" t'other week and was told Acetate only.

[Chalky]

As far as I know the white label one is a re-issue, is it legit?

 

The Brown Tamla release with Picture Sleeve is the rarest given out at a release party for the CD of the same title.  People didn't want the 45 and simply discarded it or left it behind.  I know some who were going round picking them off the floor.

[MrsWoodsrules]

You asked about "Past Time Love" t'other week and was told Acetate only.

Ahh right, knew Id asked, but either missed or forgotten reply, bit senile lately bud.

Love Starved Heart is a mega tune IMO.

[Chalky]

Love Starved Heart is a mega tune IMO.

 

Lord knows what Gordy was thinking to leave it in the can, not poppy enough and appealing enough to the white folk.

[Speedlimit]

love starved remember hearing guy play this for first time covered as j.j. barnes it's killing me blew you away

[Robbk]

LaBrenda Ben "I've Got A Right To Cry" aka "Lead Me And Guide Me"

We know for a fact that that vocal is NOT LaBrenda Ben.  The latter has a much deeper voice, with a very different tonal quality.  I, myself, may be the erroneous source of the rumour that that artist is LaBrenda Ben.  We taped that off a Jobete Music acetate in the late 1970s, for potential use in the "From The Vaults" album series.  It was never used.  We never found out who it was.  I had played that cut for several collectors I had known (including our own "Modern Soul Sucks").  I remember saying (in jest) to one of them, "Maybe it's LaBrenda Ben?", knowing, full well, that it couldn't possibly be her.  I had no incling that anyone might take that comment seriously.  Whoever it was probably forgot the context of that conversation, and connected that name with the cut.

 

Rod, I guess you can vouch for my "sense of humour" being so deadpan, that no one could possibly tell when i'm kidding!  The artist may have just been a demo singer, with The Andantes behind, or an unknown group trying out on a Jobete song, but who were never signed, or maybe an early Velvelettes' cut (but certainly not Cal on lead, or one of their more recognisable voices).

Edited July 8, 2013 by RobbK

[Chalky]

This is what it says on Don't Forget The Motor City.  It does say that the artist is shown as LaBrenda Ben on the acetate?

 

Lead Me And Guide Me (Brian Holland-Lamont Dozier-Edward Holland Jr) publ. Jobete

Holland & Dozier; recorded Hitsville, completed 31-May-63 ; produced by Brian Holland, Lamont Dozier ; [vocal by LaBrenda Ben]

[rel date unknown] [acetate]; 45 (M): National Sound Corporation [artist shown as LaBrenda Ben, title shown as "I've Got A Right To Cry"]

30-Aug-10; CD (M): Motown 882 4009 A Cellarful Of Motown! Volume 4 [uK]

[Robbk]

This is what it says on Don't Forget The Motor City.  It does say that the artist is shown as LaBrenda Ben on the acetate?

 

Lead Me And Guide Me (Brian Holland-Lamont Dozier-Edward Holland Jr) publ. Jobete

Holland & Dozier; recorded Hitsville, completed 31-May-63 ; produced by Brian Holland, Lamont Dozier ; [vocal by LaBrenda Ben]

[rel date unknown] [acetate]; 45 (M): National Sound Corporation [artist shown as LaBrenda Ben, title shown as "I've Got A Right To Cry"]

30-Aug-10; CD (M): Motown 882 4009 A Cellarful Of Motown! Volume 4 [uK]

Maybe they just had the Jobete Music acetate (which had no artist name), and had heard that "Someone who had worked at Motown" had stated that it was sung by her.  I find it extremely difficult to believe that my intended ironic statement (picking someone I KNEW couldn't be the artist) would actually BE the artist (out of scores of Motown artists I could have chosen).  It is VERY, VERY difficult for me to believe such a coincidence is possible.  THAT is just NOT LaBrenda Ben's voice.

[Guest Paul]

'A Cellarful Of Motown' is a great series and excellent value for money so this is a good opportunity for another plug.

My only complaint is that it's almost three years since Volume 4, I wish they'd issue one each year.

I hope Volume 5 isn't too far away.

[Chalky]

Maybe they just had the Jobete Music acetate (which had no artist name), and had heard that "Someone who had worked at Motown" had stated that it was sung by her.  I find it extremely difficult to believe that my intended ironic statement (picking someone I KNEW couldn't be the artist) would actually BE the artist (out of scores of Motown artists I could have chosen).  It is VERY, VERY difficult for me to believe such a coincidence is possible.  THAT is just NOT LaBrenda Ben's voice.

 

 

How I read the info from DFTMC is that the acetate they are getting then info from is a National Sound Corporation acetate showing the artist and title LaBrenda Bren "Lead Me and Guide Me"?

[Gold Band]

Can Any one tell me what the correct title is if the Irene & The Scotts Cover Up. was it "Any Girl In Love"? We Know it was the Marvelettes was it also an unissued motown sound?

Kirsty

[Robbk]

How I read the info from DFTMC is that the acetate they are getting then info from is a National Sound Corporation acetate showing the artist and title LaBrenda Bren "Lead Me and Guide Me"?

All I have to say is that I'm skeptical.  The odds of such a coincidence are almost nil.  Is there a possibility that the artist name could have been added later, or that that acetate was made in the late 1970s?  The use of "Lead Me, Guide Me" as even a working title for that song is highly suspicious, in the first place.  Who would think of such a completely inappropropriate title for that song (EVEN if the words weren't yet written).  I also can't imagine a different song, with the title of "Lead Me, Guide Me", fitting the music of that song.

 

I've played all the LaBrenda Ben cuts, both released and unreleased.  I'll NEVER be convinced by ANYONE, that that is LaBrenda Ben singing.  Look at the trouble one little joke has caused.

[Robbk]

Can Any one tell me what the correct title is if the Irene & The Scotts Cover Up. was it "Any Girl In Love"? We Know it was the Marvelettes was it also an unissued motown sound?

Kirsty

Was it the same song as "Any Girl In Love" by Kim Weston, recorded in 1964?  I can't believe anyone wouldn't recognise Kim's voice (regardless of automatically knowing "Irene and The Scotts" was a "cover-up" name).

Edited July 8, 2013 by RobbK

[Chalky]

Can Any one tell me what the correct title is if the Irene & The Scotts Cover Up. was it "Any Girl In Love"? We Know it was the Marvelettes was it also an unissued motown sound?

Kirsty

 

"Any Girl In Love" I only know two takes I think.  Kim Weston which was as far as I know the first played over here early mid 80's (don't remember it being covered up mind) and what appeared on the bootleg LP Rob Marriott did and another by the Supremes.  Kim Weston one is unreleased except for recent CD's and the Supremes was/is an LP track.

[Chalky]

The Kim Weston btw came over on the tapes I think that Robb did for Rod along with Suspicion, Forever In My Heart and the rest of the wonderful unissued Motown that appeared early 80's.

[Robbk]

The Kim Weston btw came over on the tapes I think that Robb did for Rod along with Suspicion, Forever In My Heart and the rest of the wonderful unissued Motown that appeared early 80's.  

Yes.  That was on Rod's tape from me, along with "I've Got a Right To Cry" (which may well have been misslabeled as by LaBrenda Ben (thereby starting the name confusion)).

[Chalky]

Yes.  That was on Rod's tape from me, along with "I've Got a Right To Cry" (which may well have been misslabeled as by LaBrenda Ben (thereby starting the name confusion)).

I have the tape listings somewhere Robb I will check when I get the chance.

[Chalky]

"I've got A Right To Cry" is on the tapes listing as the Beljeans.

[Gold Band]

Gents was the  (Unissued) Martha & The Vandellas - "Mama Tell Me What To Do" found around the same time as the other tracks above, its not the same song as Cardella DeMilo - Mama Tell Me What To Do (Republic 2023) 1961 does anyone know around what year these where produced?

Kirsty

Edited July 8, 2013 by Gold Band

[Gold Band]

"I've got A Right To Cry" is on the tapes listing as the Beljeans.

 

LaBrenda Sang with the Beljeans chalky "LaBrenda Ben & The Beljeans - Chaperone" (Gordy 7009) 1962 was one of the tracks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDCzXACddoI

[Gold Band]

"Any Girl In Love" I only know two takes I think.  Kim Weston which was as far as I know the first played over here early mid 80's (don't remember it being covered up mind) and what appeared on the bootleg LP Rob Marriott did and another by the Supremes.  Kim Weston one is unreleased except for recent CD's and the Supremes was/is an LP track.

 

Maybe Flynny's got the answer to the Marvelettes Chalky

https://anorakscorner.homestead.com/CoverUpsMP.html

Kirsty

[Philb]

Lord knows what Gordy was thinking to leave it in the can, not poppy enough and appealing enough to the white folk.

Same with Chris Clarks "somethings Wrong" come to think of it a lot of the unreleased material should have been put out.

[Chalky]

LaBrenda Sang with the Beljeans chalky "LaBrenda Ben & The Beljeans - Chaperone" (Gordy 7009) 1962 was one of the tracks.

Hi Kirsty. Yes I know the Beljeans backed LaBrenda Benn on some 45's. I was looking at the tape listings from the 80's with all the unreleased material on and it's just he Beljeans according to that. So maybe the acetate Robb had was just the Beljeans and added LaBrenda Benn because of the association on other 45's when he made the "joke" comment?

[Chalky]

Maybe Flynny's got the answer to the Marvelettes Chalkyhttps://anorakscorner.homestead.com/CoverUpsMP.htmlKirsty

Yes I saw Flynny's listing but the title is the cover up title so hopefully he will add some info when he reads this. I will check some notes too.

[Manfromsoul45s]

Strange, i have a Jobette acetate of miracles "you can do it" and is a different ( i would say better) version

[Robbk]

"I've got A Right To Cry" is on the tapes listing as the Beljeans.

Yes, that came from the joke, as The Beljeans were credited as La>Brenda Ben's back-up group on one of her Gordy singles (and, I believe, also the Motown 1033 pressing of it).

[Robbk]

Hi Kirsty. Yes I know the Beljeans backed LaBrenda Benn on some 45's. I was looking at the tape listings from the 80's with all the unreleased material on and it's just he Beljeans according to that. So maybe the acetate Robb had was just the Beljeans and added LaBrenda Benn because of the association on other 45's when he made the "joke" comment?

No.  The acetate we had was a Jobete Music, Inc. acetate with only the song title listed, as those are only references to signify company ownership, and it does not matter which artist sang it.  The artist who sing the recordings used for reference don't even need to be under contract (demo tapes are often used).  I had "The Beljeans" listed on my tape that Rod ran off, but forgot to tell him that the artist for that song was unknown.  I just used it as a placeholder, so it could help me remember which unknown artist song it was (rather than have several songs on the same tape listed as "unknown artist".

 

The "Beljeans" actually were The Andantes, as confirmed by Louvain Demps, on a thread on Soulful Detroit.  I continue to insist that "I've Got a Right to Cry" is NOT LaBrenda Ben on lead.  It might well be The Beljeans (meaning, really, The Andantes), but only backing up some OTHER single female artist, -or it is another whole group.

Edited July 9, 2013 by RobbK

[Robbk]

Same with Chris Clarks "somethings Wrong".  Cme to think of it, a lot of sic {Motown's} unreleased material should have been put out.

Ha! Ha!  That's one of the biggest understatements ever made!  

[Fuzzj]

All I have to say is that I'm skeptical.  The odds of such a coincidence are almost nil.  Is there a possibility that the artist name could have been added later, or that that acetate was made in the late 1970s?  The use of "Lead Me, Guide Me" as even a working title for that song is highly suspicious, in the first place.  Who would think of such a completely inappropropriate title for that song (EVEN if the words weren't yet written).  I also can't imagine a different song, with the title of "Lead Me, Guide Me", fitting the music of that song.

 

I've played all the LaBrenda Ben cuts, both released and unreleased.  I'll NEVER be convinced by ANYONE, that that is LaBrenda Ben singing.  Look at the trouble one little joke has caused.

very factual im convinced..

[Fuzzj]

No.  The acetate we had was a Jobete Music, Inc. acetate with only the song title listed, as those are only references to signify company ownership, and it does not matter which artist sang it.  The artist who sing the recordings used for reference don't even need to be under contract (demo tapes are often used).  I had "The Beljeans" listed on my tape that Rod ran off, but forgot to tell him that the artist for that song was unknown.  I just used it as a placeholder, so it could help me remember which unknown artist song it was (rather than have several songs on the same tape listed as "unknown artist".

 

The "Beljeans" actually were The Andantes, as confirmed by Louvain Demps, on a thread on Soulful Detroit.  I continue to insist that "I've Got a Right to Cry" is NOT LaBrenda Ben on lead.  It might well be The Beljeans (meaning, really, The Andantes), but only backing up some OTHER single female artist, -or it is another whole group.

im on fb with louvain ill ask the question unless its already been asked ...

[Robbk]

im on fb with louvain ill ask the question unless its already been asked ...

Yes.  Please DO ask her if she remembers The Andantes singing background on "I've Got A Right To Cry".  That will help us a lot.  Also, ask her if she's ever heard of a song or instrumental track titled "Lead Me Guide Me".  Ask her if she knows if The Velvelettes or another group (or La Brenda Ben) sang it.

[Fuzzj]

Yes.  Please DO ask her if she remembers The Andantes singing background on "I've Got A Right To Cry".  That will help us a lot.  Also, ask her if she's ever heard of a song or instrumental track titled "Lead Me Guide Me".  Ask her if she knows if The Velvelettes or another group (or La Brenda Ben) sang it.

will b back..with info fingers crossed