Where Next "musically"?

[Guest FrostyJak]

 

I'm with you there Dave but almost darn't say it here, there some fanytastic stuff from the early 9ts and late 8ts, I'm spending on this stuff now while its stil dirt cheap, found some ace stuff in the last few months.

Yep me too found lots of CD's from late 80's early 90's with great stuff on um, not much would pass as northern now but some nice uptempo dance sounds imho.

Some cracking UK soul-dance stuff around from that time too Shara Nelson, Brand New Heavies, Innocence , Michelle Gayle , Dina Carroll etc

Pop music from the 80's & 90's,played on this scene um maybe not ay

Edited June 7, 2013 by FrostyJak

[Paulb]

The soul scene is no longer a musical movement. It's lost a lot of the progressive djs that were playing main rooms years ago. I think that current playlists back this up.

I can't accept and embrace that. I'd sooner not attend venues than just make do with what's available.

Mik, I do agree with what you're saying regarding the funk scene. But those guys are the only ones pushing things musically. Lots of disco and boogie things getting played and all definitely soulful. Tunes that would cross over onto the soul scene if these guys were involved in any of the current upfront venues. Sadot, heard and trouble really gave the scene a new direction but they are no longer playing and noone else has taken the baton. Guys like Butch and Mick H are great but I bet they feel restrained.

We are blessed in Manchester. A good dozen exciting djs playing small cellar clubs and also at Dulcimer most weekends.

[Wilxy]

Just to add my "tuppence worth" from a personal perspective,and having been "initiated" around 1973/4.Whilst my own preference remains to this day,the "traditional" on the fours beat, as was the original reason for my initial attraction to the music itself, I have over the years attended most of the "major" venues, whilst taking on board and appreciating several types of sub-genres, and suppose while I'm "guilty" of habitually "pigeon holing" said "styles", can honestly say that as a vinyl collector, my tastes are varied, and indeed my own main collection, although mainly Detroit biased contains early R & B through to Funky, Deep and most styles inbetween!!! My limited attendance nowadays, particularly "allnighterwise" has gradually however diminished TBH, due to moreover the musical content itself, and without wishing to either alienate, or create debate on musical style......will "keep on" etc. and whilst I'm at it, must say there has been some great input of views!!

cheers.... wilxy

[Guest penny]

The soul scene is no longer a musical movement. It's lost a lot of the progressive djs that were playing main rooms years ago. I think that current playlists back this up.

I can't accept and embrace that. I'd sooner not attend venues than just make do with what's available.

Mik, I do agree with what you're saying regarding the funk scene. But those guys are the only ones pushing things musically. Lots of disco and boogie things getting played and all definitely soulful. Tunes that would cross over onto the soul scene if these guys were involved in any of the current upfront venues. Sadot, heard and trouble really gave the scene a new direction but they are no longer playing and noone else has taken the baton. Guys like Butch and Mick H are great but I bet they feel restrained.

We are blessed in Manchester. A good dozen exciting djs playing small cellar clubs and also at Dulcimer most weekends.

Manchester's always been a bit of a soul island like that, had its own soul culture apart from the national scenes. Adam leaver was another who was years ahead of the curve.

Boogie / disco is still throwing up brilliant new stuff but is so modern sounding I find it jars a bit if you try to mix it with earlier, especially 60s, stuff. Like r&b, it can and probably should maintain a scene of it's own

[Len]

I can't accept and embrace that. I'd sooner not attend venues than just make do with what's available.

We are blessed in Manchester. A good dozen exciting djs playing small cellar clubs and also at Dulcimer most weekends.

 

I fully understand how you feel and you're right with ref most large venues, because they play to the masses. By saying..."We are blessed in Manchester. A good dozen exciting djs playing small cellar clubs and also at Dulcimer most weekends"...You have 'excepted, and embraced' the change, by attending and enjoying these venues (Well, 'excepted', at least) There's some cracking smaller venues developing, and that in itself is taking the scene in a different direction (For some of us)

 

When I said 'except and embrace', I didn't mean attend those venues that don't suit you, I meant except how the Scene has changed, and focus on the bits that do suit you. Positive things can come out of a 'Sea Change'......in the end.

 

All the best,

 

Len  

 

P.s - I think it's important not to forget the great Oldies though, as Terry pointed out - The whole night's proceedings.

Edited June 8, 2013 by LEN

[Paulb]

Len,

I agree with what you've just said. And just for the record, I love 60s and oldies. As Mik stated, you can't beat it. But I do enjoy other kinds of soul music that is often sneered at by alleged soul lovers. That's what I find frustrating.

[Pete S]

Len,

I agree with what you've just said. And just for the record, I love 60s and oldies. As Mik stated, you can't beat it. But I do enjoy other kinds of soul music that is often sneered at by alleged soul lovers. That's what I find frustrating.

 

 

How does it follow that just because you like one aspect of something, you have to like all of it?

I love midtempo and uptempo soul.  I don't like slow deep soul.  Why should that be a problem?  I like fast, 1968-69 style Reggae.  I don't like 70's roots reggae.  And so on.  Surely it's not about a persons own taste, it's about what the punters enjoy hearing?

If I were to go to Stoke Kings Hall all nighter, I would be disappointed to hear an hour of upfront funky newies when I was actually hoping to hear rare and classic oldies.

Edited June 8, 2013 by Pete S

[Dobber]

it will keep going round in circles and keep reverting back to the tunes that dragged you in in the first place....actual northern soul!

[KevH]

Len,

I agree with what you've just said. And just for the record, I love 60s and oldies. As Mik stated, you can't beat it. But I do enjoy other kinds of soul music that is often sneered at by alleged soul lovers. That's what I find frustrating.

 

But surely Paul,if you go to the right places,you won't be frustrated.The "rare" scene is sneered on just as the "oldies" scene is ,and "funky newies" are.

An hour of tunes not to my taste during a night,isn't going to alter my view of the soul scene.

[Len]

Len,

But I do enjoy other kinds of soul music that is often sneered at by alleged soul lovers. That's what I find frustrating.

 

It's sneered at by those that don't listen, and some simply attack anything they don't understand (hence the sneers) Lot's share your frustration, but the masses do catch up (for want of a better phrase) in the end, and it is happening - Once 'converted' (again, for want of a better phrase) they are more enthusiastic than anyone . I've witnessed it - it's almost like an ex-con going overboard, to mend the error of his ways!

 

All the best,

 

Len  

Edited June 8, 2013 by LEN

[Pete S]

It's sneered at by those that don't listen, and some simply attack anything they don't understand (hence the sneers) 

 

Or they just don't like it.  

[Len]

Or they just don't like it.  

 

I find that very hard to believe!  

 

Len  

[Jordirip]

It's sneered at by those that don't listen, and some simply attack anything they don't understand (hence the sneers) Lot's share your frustration, but the masses do catch up (for want of a better phrase) in the end, and it is happening - Once 'converted' (again, for want of a better phrase) they are more enthusiastic than anyone . I've witnessed it - it's almost like an ex-con going overboard, to mend the error of his ways!

 

All the best,

 

Len  

 

Absolutely Len. The amount of modern room, crossover and funky plays that end up (usually about 3 - 5 years later) going big on the Northern dancefloors shows how important these genres are to keeping the whole thing going.

[Guest Bearsy]

I don't know where its going but as long as a few new tunes to my ears get played then Im happy, funny thing is there is so much more to hear whatever genre it is but I'm feeling pretty sure that there will be loads more I will enjoy along with a few more I won't, as long as its got a pulse and has a soulful content and makes me wanna dance then all well and good. I am seeing more and more forgotten oldies getting talked about and seeing on playlists so maybe that's where the next few years will take us, as long as the djs believe and mix it up then there when I go out that's where I want to be.

[Geeselad]

first of all best thread on here on ages. Got to say that a great deal of the debate seems to be about expectations, there are the majority now who attend ns event to not only hear traditional northern soul all night, but also expect to here a really quite rigid selection of top 100 NS tunes. For these anything outside that expectation is a disappointment. There are others who are ready to except music outside that definition so long as its dancable and has a poppy, up, sound, look at examples like;  tribute to betty, that shiting other tribute record!!!! urgh! and even the aforementioned vocal of double barrell. For anyone who's a little jaded of hearing the salvadors, again and, like me, is non to keen on the commercial sounding flavour of the month, what's a DJ going to play that would provide any interest whatsoever?

 

I went to an event in stoke a couple of months, it was in a bar full of 25- 35 year old non soul scensters, LOL. I heard a local dj play an hour of classic northern oldies to an empty dancefloor, with not so much as a foot being tapped, Johnny Beggs stepped into the fore, whipping up a latin storm and well, all the girls got up and danced to 'use it before' ....' pow wow' , 'Willie Rossario' ect, he moved into R and B, hard soul and funk later, keeping them on the floor and where the girls are the lads follow. It could of just been timing but I don't think so, I just cant imagine Classic northern generating the level of interest Johnny's uncomprimising mix of styles did. I love Northern, it generates a passion in me that no other music can match and more importantly it was a gateway into a miriad of styles that I also adore. but Like paul if think the best nights are now 'off the scene' where others have that shared expectation of hearing exciting fresh tunes whatever there genre. 

Edited June 8, 2013 by geeselad

[Guest Gogs]

I love hearing new stuff. In fact one off the DJ's after me on friday nite (resident/ promoter) played a track that i didn't know but liked So i was straight up to the decks to find out what it was (he, being a long time friend, and having djed together for a long time,had no hesitation in telling me what it was). now i only have to find a copy at a price that i can afford.(might have to wait a while though).

[Middleman]

I love hearing new stuff. In fact one off the DJ's after me on friday nite (resident/ promoter) played a track that i didn't know but liked So i was straight up to the decks to find out what it was (he, being a long time friend, and having djed together for a long time,had no hesitation in telling me what it was). now i only have to find a copy at a price that i can afford.(might have to wait a while though).

And the track was?

[Guest Gogs]

And the track was?

Not telling as it might make it harder for me to locate.

[Little-stevie]

I love many styles and tempo and have always wanted to hear a cross section in the same venue, to do this we needed the multi room niter/ weekender to gives us a mix, i would love to hear it all in the same room but understand that i'm in a minority.... 

 

The growth of the smaller venues away from the Niter scene fills my needs for a more diverse mix..... This is where i get my true soul fix in its many forms....

 

Where next???? all the music is out there being played from early RnB to Modern and all stops in between around the uk and Europe, maybe not in big room niters but thousands of smaller venues....

 

There as been a recent rush on the gospel/ funk edge of soul for sure, something i have loved and embraced for a long time.. Some of this may filter into the mainstream northern rooms  but i aint counting my chickens.. No worry, the small venue scene is alive and kicking and me and many others are having as much fun as we ever did...

 

If we are talking where is the music going for the all niter scene main rooms ??then no place fast by the looks of things....

 

Good topic indeed....

Edited June 9, 2013 by little-stevie

[Guest Gogs]

And the track was?

Just checked JM's book, it says a1K for original ,so no chance of me getting it.(2nd press about £25 so mite get that to play in the house).

[Little-stevie]

Just checked JM's book, it says a1K for original ,so no chance of me getting it.(2nd press about £25 so mite get that to play in the house).

I guess the topic is about where or what kind of style next  and not just about a new tunes to our ears... .

 

One mans new tune can be a standard to others...

[Guest Gogs]

I guess the topic is about where or what kind of style next  and not just about a new tunes to our ears... .

 

One mans new tune can be a standard to others...

The question might be do we need new styles while there is so much stuff out there already, after all i don't think that there will be very many people that have heard every record that's getting played out there.

[Guest Owen Conway]

for about 20yrs ive been into techo house stylie, stuff like armin van buuren et al, winds my kids up a good un. first love is still northern soul. i think its the hard bassy beats that i like in house.

;)

[Len]

The question might be do we need new styles while there is so much stuff out there already, after all i don't think that there will be very many people that have heard every record that's getting played out there.

 

I think it best that we don't add too many more styles - let's just carry on 'fine tuning' what we have already, with the Soul left over at the end.

 

All the best,

 

Len  

[Little-stevie]

I think it best that we don't add too many more styles - let's just carry on 'fine tuning' what we have already, with the Soul left over at the end.

 

All the best,

 

Len  

 

Wise words. Len....

 

Funk, RnB, Latin, Jazz, Gospel,House etc etc with the soul left intact..

[Guest manusf3a]

it already happens.....and has been happening for some time.....reason the more traditional fan with his cool 500 blinkers on likes what he likes is he/she is middle age the age were they don,t like/want any change dispite all there rehtoric.....for those of us that love that uptempo/mid tempo vibe that is by no means boring.....it,s there!!!...it,s great,it,s uplifting  it,s what nighters were like and thankfully this is still like.......anyone hearing  little willy and rich evans at the last radcliffe  will know what l mean.....sadly a lot of the dj,s most of you hold up as being  the ones to follow...quite frankly  have lost it!!.....as long as they keep believing it,s just about new stuff and new stuff alone....you're all lost.......little willy  played a set of L.P tracks that were uptempo brilliance par excellance....the joke is he and others have been doing it for years now.

Makes me smile when l see some on here post about nighters ect.....it,s still for most  about getting dj spots ect  because nighters they feel they won,t get a spot at ......they don,t attend......so for most of ya...same old same

Out of likes but you have summed it up about right Tessa.

[Dekka]

I wonder what the '100% oldies allnighter' DJ's from the midlands have to say about this,

 

No comments from any of them, yet I would think they would add some sort of balance.

 

Because as always these threads seem to always go in the same one sided direction.

 

So come on, all you who DJ at 100% oldies advertised allnighters,  whats your opinion.

 

All of you add comments and run these nights yet never involve in these discussions.

[Tezza]

Really, its all subjective stuff. Its like insisting that someone who liked the Beatles should now have moved on to One Direction etc. (Analogy)!! There is nothing wrong in liking what you like but like Jovo Witnesses, don't keep knocking at my door trying to 'put me right'.

I/We are happy with our lot and do not need to be shown the error of our ways. If you need to move on then so be it but cut the Umbilicle Cord and go with our blessing. Don't mind you coming home for a visit any time you wish but leave your CD's and Soapbox at home.

Bridlington Weekender is approaching. Won't find me in the Modern Room or R&B Room but I won't be outside with a Plackard and a Picket line. Enjoy your Music. We are not all Lady Ga Ga fans.

[Pete S]

Really, its all subjective stuff. Its like insisting that someone who liked the Beatles should now have moved on to One Direction etc. (Analogy)!! There is nothing wrong in liking what you like but like Jovo Witnesses, don't keep knocking at my door trying to 'put me right'.

I/We are happy with our lot and do not need to be shown the error of our ways. If you need to move on then so be it but cut the Umbilicle Cord and go with our blessing. Don't mind you coming home for a visit any time you wish but leave your CD's and Soapbox at home.

Bridlington Weekender is approaching. Won't find me in the Modern Room or R&B Room but I won't be outside with a Plackard and a Picket line. Enjoy your Music. We are not all Lady Ga Ga fans.

 

Oh Tezza.

Praise the Lord.

Possibly the best post ever on here explaining why some of us do not feel the need to be educated, being perfectly happy with our lot and not needing to be saved from anything.

[Dekka]

Really, its all subjective stuff. Its like insisting that someone who liked the Beatles should now have moved on to One Direction etc. (Analogy)!! There is nothing wrong in liking what you like but like Jovo Witnesses, don't keep knocking at my door trying to 'put me right'.

I/We are happy with our lot and do not need to be shown the error of our ways. If you need to move on then so be it but cut the Umbilicle Cord and go with our blessing. Don't mind you coming home for a visit any time you wish but leave your CD's and Soapbox at home.

Bridlington Weekender is approaching. Won't find me in the Modern Room or R&B Room but I won't be outside with a Plackard and a Picket line. Enjoy your Music. We are not all Lady Ga Ga fans.

 

How you doing Terry, hope your well mate

 

good on ya mate, someone with bolloxs to speak up.

[Guest MrC]

Really, its all subjective stuff. Its like insisting that someone who liked the Beatles should now have moved on to One Direction etc. (Analogy)!! There is nothing wrong in liking what you like but like Jovo Witnesses, don't keep knocking at my door trying to 'put me right'.

I/We are happy with our lot and do not need to be shown the error of our ways. If you need to move on then so be it but cut the Umbilicle Cord and go with our blessing. Don't mind you coming home for a visit any time you wish but leave your CD's and Soapbox at home.

Bridlington Weekender is approaching. Won't find me in the Modern Room or R&B Room but I won't be outside with a Plackard and a Picket line. Enjoy your Music. We are not all Lady Ga Ga fans.

A perfectly sensible answer! Roll on Brid! I may be outside at some point, but that will be outside the pub! 

[Tezza]

How you doing Terry, hope your well mate

 

good on ya mate, someone with bolloxs to speak up.

[Tezza]

 

Dekka,

Been a while mate. Brid ??

I'll be in the Northern Room Ha ha !!

[Tezza]

A perfectly sensible answer! Roll on Brid! I may be outside at some point, but that will be outside the pub! 

I'll join you for one mate.

[Guest MrC]

I'll join you for one mate.

 

 I'll be the fat old one one with a pint in his hand.... oh, that doesn't narrow it down at all!

[Tezza]

 I'll be the fat old one one with a pint in his hand.... oh, that doesn't narrow it down at all!

Ha ha !

Ill be the tall one with the big Red Hair - I deffo won't be hard to find.

[Len]

I/We are happy with our lot and do not need to be shown the error of our ways.

 

Your whole post is absolutely fair enough, and well put. As I used the above term, if you read back, you will see in context, that it was in an example I was showing. I also stated "(For want of a better phrase)", twice in the post, so I didn't come across as patronising.....The frustrating bit that some people feel, is that they actually want others to get the same enjoyment from different stuff, and can't understand why some dismiss it so quickly - Yes, it can come across as preaching, but I think in most cases, people just want to share, and enjoy 'their' great tunes in the big venues because they genuinely feel some are missing out.

 

I enjoy the banter of different views, including when I'm on the receiving end, and 'banter' is the way it should always be - "Len's Rare Sh*t" was one of my faves

 

All the best,

 

Len  

Edited June 10, 2013 by LEN

[Little-stevie]

Your whole post is absolutely fair enough, and well put. As I used the above term, you will see I did say "(For want of a better phrase)"......The frustrating bit that some people feel, is that they actually want others to get the same enjoyment from different stuff, and can't understand why some dismiss it so quickly - Yes, it can come across as preaching, but I think in most cases, people just want to share, and enjoy 'their' great tunes in the big venues because they genuinely feel some are missing out.

 

I enjoy the banter of different views, including when I'm on the receiving end, and 'banter' is the way it should always be - "Len's Rare Sh*t" was one of my faves

 

All the best,

 

Len  

Some folk will always think they have the right to tell others what to do and think....

 

Its easy.. Just do what you wanna do, plenty choice out there for everyone...

 

The topic starter talks of what next after the " funk thing ", well the funk edge as been taken up by some folk but they are very much in the minority but quite vocal, most folk are happy with their lot it seems...

 

Peace out !

[Len]

Oh Tezza.

Praise the Lord.

Possibly the best post ever on here explaining why some of us do not feel the need to be educated, being perfectly happy with our lot and not needing to be saved from anything.

 

Bless you my Son  .......The word 'Educated' being used has done so much damage towards 'the cause' - It's so patronising in itself.

 

.....I wonder .......if suddenly over night everyone on the Oldies Scene 'got converted', how many of 'us lot' would go 'full on' into our Oldies just to be cool / facetious / retro    

 

All the best,

 

Len  

Edited June 10, 2013 by LEN

[Reg]

 

Mike, not having a pop at anyone. Just giving my opinion mate. Sorry if you don't like it but I've as much right to voice it on here as anyone else.

The soul scene has had its day. Its a nostalgia thing at best. 8 million events on every week and a severe lack of quality from the majority of those.

You've got people saying they don't like this and don't like that. They need to be prepared to come up against criticism when making such bold statements. But this attitude is the norm. I went to the 100 club last month and it was dissapointing. I wont be going to another all nighter again.

No offense to anyone, but this scene grabbed me as a 21 year old lad and excited me beyond belief. I went to nighters every week for the best part of 6 yrs so I think I qualify to give my opinion. I see the scene as a safe bet social outing where tracks are very slowly accepted and then filtered down the ranks.

The likes of paul sadot, karl heard and james trouble were playing current nighter spins 8 years ago. The soul scene is way behind when it comes to current sounds.

Not sure why I'm even bothering getting involved with this thread. Very few people accept that soul music is anything other than 60's northern. It's a battle I can never win and all opinions like mine do is get peoples back up.

Keep the faith, etc, etc....

 

 

 

 

I am with you Paul, I try to go to places but I am usually disappointed. Take the weekend for example, I went to a soul night in a traditional venue that I went to a lot in the past. It made me feel old(I was probably one of the youngest there), and very sad as it was very "northern soul by numbers". We ended up in a bar across the road afterwards and I felt much better as the atmosphere was much more laid back. I remember when the we all used to go off to daft allniters like Sheridans and Golbourne and it as the best fun because it was raw and nobody discussed their mortgage or complained about the music.

Edited June 10, 2013 by Reg

[Tezza]

I agree with you Len on that. Sorry to have plagiarised, not my intention.

My post was not really aimed at an individual but as a generalism. Some. as you say, like to share but others do like to preach.

No one knows whether I have tried and decided its not for me or dismissed it out of hand. Either way it is my choice and others should respect my decision as I do those people who have either moved on or embraced other genres.

You are a most entertaining guy on SS and I love to read your threads as with MrC, PeteS, Geeslad etc. Many times I disagree or have a slightly different opinion but would never dream of 'correcting' anyone (unless its a Factual error). Its what drives this site and keeps people interested and educated.

Look forward to your reply Lol !!

Tezza XXXX

[Len]

I agree with you Len on that. Sorry to have plagiarised, not my intention.

My post was not really aimed at an individual but as a generalism. Some. as you say, like to share but others do like to preach.

No one knows whether I have tried and decided its not for me or dismissed it out of hand. Either way it is my choice and others should respect my decision as I do those people who have either moved on or embraced other genres.

You are a most entertaining guy on SS and I love to read your threads as with MrC, PeteS, Geeslad etc. Many times I disagree or have a slightly different opinion but would never dream of 'correcting' anyone (unless its a Factual error). Its what drives this site and keeps people interested and educated.

Look forward to your reply Lol !!

Tezza XXXX

 

Nice one mate - 'Respect' is the word.......although a word that I cringe at using now, it resides on my 'Shudder List' of words / phrases, due to it being 'over used' by people that don't actually 'practise what they preach' (welcome to my head!)  

 

I think both 'parties' are guilty of pre-judging down to their personal experiences - Me? I've had a lot of aggression thrown my way over the years (as well as fun banter) so I have been guilty of presuming 'most' are that way, on the other hand (again due to experiences) some of 'you lot' have presumed we're a load of snobs (or whatever).....the truth is - we're just a load of f*ck wits and have a great laugh, Chr*st, have you met Brian Goucher?!!!  

 

All the best,

 

Len  

 

P.s - Howzat for a reply mate?!  

[Tezza]

Nice one mate - 'Respect' is the word.......although a word that I cringe at using now, it resides on my 'Shudder List' of words / phrases, due to it being 'over used' by people that don't actually 'practise what they preach' (welcome to my head!)  

 

I think both 'parties' are guilty of pre-judging down to their personal experiences - Me? I've had a lot of aggression thrown my way over the years (as well as fun banter) so I have been guilty of presuming 'most' are that way, on the other hand (again due to experiences) some of 'you lot' have presumed we're a load of snobs (or whatever).....the truth is - we're just a load of f*ck wits and have a great laugh, Chr*st, have you met Brian Goucher?!!!  

 

All the best,

 

Len  

 

P.s - Howzat for a reply mate?!  

SEVEN !!

[Guest MrC]

SEVEN !!

 

 

[Wiggyflat]

I don't see why people want me to listen to funk at northern soul gigs...why?? Certain records have their place the fast funky wah wah baby boy style records but not the ghetto funk or jerky jb style deep funk.I actually like it but don't believe it has a place at northern soul gigs.It's like me going to a heavy jazz dance session where they are playing batucadas and heavy afro cuban and asking for The Salvadores.When I get the f off I start saying they are blinkered and should open their minds.The northern soul scene was an escape from funk.

Edited June 10, 2013 by wiggyflat

[jocko]

. If you need to move on then so be it but cut the Umbilicle Cord and go with our blessing. Don't mind you coming home for a visit any time you wish but leave your CD's and Soapbox at home.

 

 

And what bit of that is not telling people what to do? Why can you but people who things to change cannot?

 

Surely people who have been happy pushing the boundaries within the scene while most people went on their 30 year holidays have as much right, if not more, to say what is wrong with a scene that they were integral to. And before you start thats not saying all should like the same, and indeed if people only like 60's then thats absolutely their right, moaning about how much the scene has got f***ed by this mythical return to tradition is not the same as saying people should like something they don't is it. It is often the way the argument is approached  but people who have happily gone along for 25-30 years of an evolving scene are hardly going to sit back when people return after 30 years away to tell them to go "home".

Which home is that, before your break, after your break or any period in between. You see the issue with your argument hopefully!

 

Anyway. I am retired, partly because of people who have your attitude but in reality because I am old, miserable and grumpy, so I will leave you to it.

[Jordirip]

Does anybody actually play jerky JB style funk at northern do's? I've never heard any. It wouldn't blend at all, like dropping some Parliament funk, totally inappropriate music style, sounds like a myth to me.

[Pete S]

And what bit of that is not telling people what to do? Why can you but people who things to change cannot?

 

Surely people who have been happy pushing the boundaries within the scene while most people went on their 30 year holidays have as much right, if not more, to say what is wrong with a scene that they were integral to. And before you start thats not saying all should like the same, and indeed if people only like 60's then thats absolutely their right, moaning about how much the scene has got f***ed by this mythical return to tradition is not the same as saying people should like something they don't is it. It is often the way the argument is approached  but people who have happily gone along for 25-30 years of an evolving scene are hardly going to sit back when people return after 30 years away to tell them to go "home".

Which home is that, before your break, after your break or any period in between. You see the issue with your argument hopefully!

 

Anyway. I am retired, partly because of people who have your attitude but in reality because I am old, miserable and grumpy, so I will leave you to it.

 

What about people who never had a break - I admit that after Wigan I was not an allnighter goer but I kept up with all of the sounds via places like The Old Vic, tapes and live tapes and eventually started going again but don't think I have a gap anywhere as far as sounds are concerned (that's only happened this last 5 years).  I've always liked the same music and always will. I'll never like modern soul, ever.  I don't even want to like it. I don't need to like it.  It offers me nothing whatsoever.  I might like to hear maybe two latin records in a row, that's it.  I can take a bit more R&B but no more than half an hour.  Traditional Northern, I can listen to that all night because that's why I'm there, at a Northern Soul allnighter.  (I get as frustrated as anyone else when the same old records are churned out time after time though) So it's not like people aren't aware of other sounds and styles, they just don't want to embrace them like they do traditional NS.   

[Len]

I don't see why people want me to listen to funk at northern soul gigs...why?? Certain records have their place the fast funky wah wah baby boy style records but not the ghetto funk or jerky jb style deep funk.I actually like it but don't believe it has a place at northern soul gigs.It's like me going to a heavy jazz dance session where they are playing batucadas and heavy afro cuban and asking for The Salvadores.When I get the f off I start saying they are blinkered and should open their minds.The northern soul scene was an escape from funk.

 

Agreed...or Ska (I like it, but not at a Soul event)

 

All the best,

 

Len  

[Pete S]

Does anybody actually play jerky JB style funk at northern do's? I've never heard any. It wouldn't blend at all, like dropping some Parliament funk, totally inappropriate music style, sounds like a myth to me.

 

You'd have loved this one night at Wigan, 1976, Pep comes on and starts off his spot in the usual way with something like Herbert Hunter and continues for 20 minutes playing the top sounds of the day, floor is rammed, and then he plays "Dazz" by Brick, an out and out funk record, and the floor empties, completely, not one person left on it.  He cuts it off half way through with the words "Wigan not quite ready for that one yet then"