Jim Elliott Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 Sorry, this has probably been asked before, but how can you tell orig from boot?? Cheers Jim.
Robbk Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 There were a few different boots. One was a black on white DJ issue, with red plastic, on which the print lines are weak (slightly blurry), due to the label being photocopied. There is only "IN 6311A" and "IN 6311B" etched into the run out area. The original has silver print on a darker (navy) blue hued background than the colour store-stock boot, which is slightly less "navy blue", and slightly more turquoise in hue. The original has IN 6311 etched on both sides, with the song titles also etched into the groove runout. I don't have the coloured stocker boot, so I can't tell you what's in the groove trail. 1
Guest Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 Also booted on a good looking vinyl white demo, with normal black vinyl.
Gene-r Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 If you're offered a white demo, it's definitely a boot - there aren't any original demos. Follow Robb's advice above on how to tell a boot from an original stock copy.
Robbk Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) Here are scans of the original, and the black on white boot on red plastic. There was also a similar boot on black vinyl. I don't have the blue stock boot. Edited March 30, 2013 by RobbK
Harry Crosby Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 There was also a Multi coloured Vinyl Boot as well, only seen one, Ian ohara from York had it.
Gene-r Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) There was also a Multi coloured Vinyl Boot as well, only seen one, Ian ohara from York had it. JM's auction raised about £56 for it some years ago. Apparently, Bob Catteno had the coloured vinyl ones pressed at the same time as the WDJs, but in a very limited quantity. Edited March 30, 2013 by Gene-R 1
Harry Crosby Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 JM's auction raised about £56 for it some years ago. Apparently, Bob Catteno had the coloured vinyl ones pressed at the same time as the WDJs, but in a very limited quantity.That right Gene, couldn`t remember the guys name, did he also do the Sam fletcher coloured vinyl ones also?? 1
Gene-r Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) That right Gene, couldn`t remember the guys name, did he also do the Sam fletcher coloured vinyl ones also?? Didn't know there were any, Harry! Now they must be seriously scarce. PS: Hope you, Di and the family have a good Easter....... Edited March 30, 2013 by Gene-R 1
Harry Crosby Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) Didn't know there were any, Harry! Now they must be seriously scarce. PS: Hope you, Di and the family have a good Easter....... Yeh seem to remember reading somewhere about red vinyl Sam fletchers Gene. Same to you and yours for Easter Gene. Edited March 30, 2013 by HARRY CROSBY 1
Harry Crosby Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 Here you go Gene https://youtu.be/Z6Nk1fiHLIg [sorry for off topic post] 1
Gene-r Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 Here you go Gene https://youtu.be/Z6Nk1fiHLIg [sorry for off topic post] Bloody hell! Looks lovely. Thanks for that Harry. 1
45cellar Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 The Original first run had just the song titles in the deadwax, second run had IN 6311 plus the song titles. 1
Glyn Sisson Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 Eddie Foster dark blue look alike from early70s had pb stamped into the deadwax i have heard of people t cut that out and pass as an original. so take care,also pb stamped into dead wax on the 70s looalike of the Salvadors Stick By Me Baby.and that passed as original. Glyn
Premium Stuff Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 The Original first run had just the song titles in the deadwax, second run had IN 6311 plus the song titles. Hi Roger Do you mean there were two original runs of Eddie Foster with the dead wax markings as above - and then the blue boot? Or, when you say second run, do you mean the boot? Cheers Richard
45cellar Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 Sorry Richard, should have read; There were two runs Originally first run had just the song titles in the deadwax, second run had IN 6311 plus the song titles.
Premium Stuff Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 Sorry Richard, should have read; There were two runs Originally first run had just the song titles in the deadwax, second run had IN 6311 plus the song titles. OK - thanks Roger. Is there a difference in value? Cheers Richard
45cellar Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 I believe that the song titles one may be rarer. Guessing same pressing plant though not 100% sure.
Premium Stuff Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 I believe that the song titles one may be rarer. Guessing same pressing plant though not 100% sure. Thanks Roger - didn't know that - good info Cheers Richard
Dave Pinch Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 The Original first run had just the song titles in the deadwax, second run had IN 6311 plus the song titles. is there a boot on this design ..thinner vinyl. label a bit speckley and a smaller run out groove
Modernsoulsucks Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 Im sure I've mentioned this before but when I was at Bob Cattaneo's around 1980 he had Eddie Foster in lots of different colour vinyls. You could match with your curtains. ROD 1
Tony Smith Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 Im sure I've mentioned this before but when I was at Bob Cattaneo's around 1980 he had Eddie Foster in lots of different colour vinyls. You could match with your curtains. ROD Yeh I'm sure I saw a trippy blue, red and yellow swirly copy once!! 1
Premium Stuff Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 Im sure I've mentioned this before but when I was at Bob Cattaneo's around 1980 he had Eddie Foster in lots of different colour vinyls. You could match with your curtains. ROD Darn it Rod - my curtains are black Richard
Tony Smith Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 Darn it Rod - my curtains are black Richard I've got blinds!
Chalky Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 Im sure I've mentioned this before but when I was at Bob Cattaneo's around 1980 he had Eddie Foster in lots of different colour vinyls. You could match with your curtains. ROD Same as this one.... 1
Premium Stuff Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) Here's another boot from t'internet Richard Edited March 30, 2013 by Premium Stuff
Tony Smith Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 Same as this one....image.jpg That's the one, Kitch had one I think?
Chalky Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 That's the one, Kitch had one I think? If I remember rightly it was said there was four of each title he did.
Glynthornhill Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 also sold a pink boot of Eddie Foster last year
Peter99 Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) also sold a pink boot of Eddie Foster last year Yep, I have a pink/reddish boot somewhere. Label has some creases in it from memory. Peter Edited March 30, 2013 by Peter99
Premium Stuff Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 Yep, I have a pink/reddish boot somewhere. Label has some creases in it from memory. Peter That will go just lovely with your pink/reddish curtains Peter - according to Rod's theory of vinyl-themed interior decoration Richard 2
Peter99 Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 That will go just lovely with your pink/reddish curtains Peter - according to Rod's theory of vinyl-themed interior decoration Richard How very dare you Richard! I have fir green, crushed velvet sort of curtains going on. My Eddie Foster boot would positively clash - it would look like a car crash. I'm off to find that record now to see what is stamped/etched in. What a sad and lonely furrow I plough - apart from you lot of course! Peter
Jim Elliott Posted March 30, 2013 Author Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) Thanks folks Bloody hell, this is all a bit confusing. Mines got the song titles in the run out and IN 6311, good print and even blue label colour. ? Jim. Edited March 30, 2013 by Jim Elliott 1
45cellar Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 Hope yours is an Original Jim. However It is a minefield but your description does tick a few boxes. A friend of mine in the 70s had the Boot on a Light Blue Label. I travelled to Kings Lynn and for a few quid more bought the Original from Soul Bowl with just the Titles scratched in the Deadwax. Anyone else using places like this ended up with an Original, not In great quantity but they're out there somewhere here in 2013.
Premium Stuff Posted March 31, 2013 Posted March 31, 2013 (edited) Isn't this one where people added the song titles in the dead wax to the bootleg to try and make it look more authentic? Richard Edited March 31, 2013 by Premium Stuff
45cellar Posted March 31, 2013 Posted March 31, 2013 Yes I believe so Richard. Some records are difficult when you don't have them in your hands, due to such practice. I haven't seen all of the Counterfeits/Boots of Eddie Foster in the flesh, but I well remember being caught out by a copy of Velvet Satins with PB in the Deadwax back in the day. I paid good money for a Counterfeit. It was the 70s and we have probably all been caught out over the years. That disaster stopped here with me, lesson learned. I would never pass it on to anyone else, not my style so took the hit and still have It as a reminder.
Dave Pinch Posted March 31, 2013 Posted March 31, 2013 roger there is a boot with the same label as the original 1
De-to Posted March 31, 2013 Posted March 31, 2013 take your pick here,lol... https://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch.php?searchtext=eddie+foster&x=10&y=11
Colsoul Posted March 31, 2013 Posted March 31, 2013 Yeh I'm sure I saw a trippy blue, red and yellow swirly copy once!! are you sure you hadnt been on that strong north east lager that nite tony lol, col 1
Ian Seaman Posted April 5, 2013 Posted April 5, 2013 Mick H has a multi coloured one. Another mate has a multi coloured James Lewis too, never seen another one ?? I have 2 copies of EF, one has the song title in the run off the other has the record No, both labels are identical and both came same day from the same US seller ( bought one off him and he found a 2nd copy which he threw in for free lol) Ian.
soulster22 Posted October 3, 2014 Posted October 3, 2014 my copy has IN 6311 A on the I never Knew side and IN 6311 B on the I will wait side. figure that it could be a boot but it does look and play great. if a boot what would be the value? regards Harry
Guest Posted October 3, 2014 Posted October 3, 2014 my copy has IN 6311 A on the I never Knew side and IN 6311 B on the I will wait side. figure that it could be a boot but it does look and play great. if a boot what would be the value? regards Harry Bloody hell Harry where did you find this thread? Depending on the colour variations mentioned above it could be between a tenner to whatever someones prepared to pay.
Dave Pinch Posted October 3, 2014 Posted October 3, 2014 my copy has IN 6311 A on the I never Knew side and IN 6311 B on the I will wait side. figure that it could be a boot but it does look and play great. if a boot what would be the value? regards Harry is the label blue same as the real one but a bit speckily
soulster22 Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 is the label blue same as the real one but a bit speckily Yes dave but the clarity is not that bad
Guest Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 (edited) There were two runs Originally first run had just the song titles in the deadwax, second run had IN 6311 plus the song titles.There is no way anyone can tell which run of the original came first!The song titles were probably scratched onto the Master Disc.Several sub-master discs are made from the Master disc.IN6311 could have been scratched on to one of the sub-master Discs, but maybe not onto any of the other sub-master discs.Who knows which of the sub-master discs was used to make the first pressing machine record stampers?The one with the numbers scratched on or one without the numbers scratched on!Unless there is a witness from the record pressing plant at the time, we will never know!! Edited October 6, 2014 by Guest
Hill868 Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 The Original first run had just the song titles in the deadwax, second run had IN 6311 plus the song titles. How would anyone know this for sure 47 years after it came out ??
Dave Pinch Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 How would anyone know this for sure 47 years after it came out ?? they just do by looking at the disc.. i can tell soulster22 post that his is the lookalike boot by the info he`s given
Guest Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 is the label blue same as the real one but a bit speckilyI have seen that old speckily blue lookalike, and nearly bought it in a venue.It looks good but as you say the uneven blue gives it away!
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