Premium Stuff Posted March 29, 2013 Posted March 29, 2013 (edited) I hate counterfeits and bootlegs Here are a couple that especially caught my eye today https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Johnny-Rodgers-Make-A-Change-Northern-Soul-Vinyl-45-/140944603615?pt=UK_Records&hash=item20d0f3f9df https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Betty-Lloyd-Im-Catching-On-Northern-Soul-Vinyl-45-New-/130879372433?pt=UK_Records& Anyone know the background? Please feel free to comment or post up your favourite (worst) current day bootlegs Shameful Cheers Richard Edited March 30, 2013 by Premium Stuff 1
Guest The Record Box Posted March 29, 2013 Posted March 29, 2013 Who keeps pressing these high end beauties?
Rich B Posted March 29, 2013 Posted March 29, 2013 I can't condone the practice now but I loved it back in the day - it meant one of the 'big boys' would sell the original for about £2! 2
Chalky Posted March 29, 2013 Posted March 29, 2013 Who keeps pressing these high end beauties? His name and address is on the eBay listings, he's well known in the game as well.
Illusive Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 I hate counterfeits and bootlegs Here are a couple that especially caught my eye today https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Johnny-Rodgers-Make-A-Change-Northern-Soul-Vinyl-45-/140944603615?pt=UK_Records&hash=item20d0f3f9df https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Betty-Lloyd-Im-Catching-On-Northern-Soul-Vinyl-45-New-/130879372433?pt=UK_Records& Anyone know the background? Please feel free to comment or post up your favourite (worst) current day bootlegs Shameful Cheers Richard 300 plus bootlegs on that site by my calculations. Many with mocked up labels trying to copy the original and potentially fool some hapless souls into thinking they've hooked a bargain. Shame on eBay in my view. Policies on counterfeit goods means jack shit. 1
Popular Post Trev Thomas Posted March 30, 2013 Popular Post Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) Who keeps pressing these high end beauties? Alan Godfrey 7 Pentre Beili Terrace Lewistown cf327lp Ogmore Vale, Bridgend UK he's got stuff on ebay which sony own the rights to, surely a huge corperation like sony have enough clout to bury this parasite, mel britt's only just passed away, yet, this pond life is making money from selling boots of his record, shameful Edited March 30, 2013 by trev thomas 11
Philippe Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) He states in the ad : Description: New Northern Soul Reissue Edited March 30, 2013 by Philippe
Guest Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 Somebody must be buying these boots, as there seems to be a constant demand for them!
kevinsoulman Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) 300 plus bootlegs on that site by my calculations. Many with mocked up labels trying to copy the original and potentially fool some hapless souls into thinking they've hooked a bargain. Shame on eBay in my view. Policies on counterfeit goods means jack shit. just reported it to ebay like they will do anything funny really when i sell stuff on originals i get a note up asking if what i am selling is counterfeit or not is this automated ? kev Edited March 30, 2013 by kevinsoulman
Guest The Record Box Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 In one ear and out of the other, they are just people with no idea!!
Benji Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) Search Soul Source for Alan Godfrey. Plenty of topics about that bastard c*nt Edited March 30, 2013 by Benji 1
Raremusicdirect Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 Like many UK laws, they aren't policed and or have any effective (easily applied) deterrents, therefore counterfeiting is profitable and likely to be increasingly prolific in hard times...........(generalisation) :-)
John A Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) I didn`t think Betty Lloyd was ever booted?? It is now, just like every f***ing thing else ,,,grrrr it's killing it Edited March 30, 2013 by John A 2
night nurse Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 i thought ebay did police counterfeit items they do on clothing and other thing like that so why not records
Premium Stuff Posted March 30, 2013 Author Posted March 30, 2013 Also selling 'branded' clothing on the same eBay site - what about that? Richard https://stores.ebay.co.uk/The-Vinyl-Vault/Childrens-Clothing-/_i.html?_fsub=3784482012&_sid=1096905512&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322
night nurse Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 Also selling 'branded' clothing on the same eBay site - what about that? Richard https://stores.ebay.co.uk/The-Vinyl-Vault/Childrens-Clothing-/_i.html?_fsub=3784482012&_sid=1096905512&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322 beat you to it lol
Chalky Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 i thought ebay did police counterfeit items they do on clothing and other thing like that so why not records It depends which companies apply more pressure on ebay to police their goods. Obscure record labels will be way down the ladder, well known clothing brands, jewellery etc will be further up the ladder, some right at the top. 1
Swifty Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 Also selling 'branded' clothing on the same eBay site - what about that? Richard https://stores.ebay.co.uk/The-Vinyl-Vault/Childrens-Clothing-/_i.html?_fsub=3784482012&_sid=1096905512&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322 Phew ! nothing in my size 1
Modernsoulsucks Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 I know I should get exercised about all this but whilst old boots seem to be sold by everybody, and the only eyebrow raised is the price some fetch, then I just see it as a double standard. Only thing that seperates them is time. And I have 2 boots of Mayfield Singers and Jimmy Ruffin. Only way I could get on vinyl. And yes I have Ruffin CD. So now and again the bootleggers do provide a service which the legit companies dont. ROD
Triode Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 Only 2 Boots Rod? You got rid of "the Stilettos"? Triode ; -)
Popular Post Godzilla Posted March 30, 2013 Popular Post Posted March 30, 2013 Watch your tongue there Triode. Rod's a bit of a loafer who has just recently become interested insole music and he's only dipped his toe into the whole boot thing. He's as stubborn as mule and insists on doing it on a shoestring budget. That said he generally takes crepe from no one. Any moment now he'll pull his socks up and you'll be in the middle of a spat with him. I wouldn't try to give him any welly as he'll just slingback your comments and be after you hell for leather. Of course I could be talking cobblers... 7
Triode Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 On a serious note "Doris" totally agree with your post - makes me laugh when people jump up and down regarding boots when in the past they have shall we say sailed close to the wind themselves! This by the way is NOT directed at anyone posting on this topic.
Modernsoulsucks Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 To fall instep with the theme Godz I think someone has laced your morning coffee. ROD
Godzilla Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 To fall instep with the theme Godz I think someone has laced your morning coffee. ROD Spiked by heels, no doubt.
Modernsoulsucks Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 I knew you'd come back for the last word which is why I saved "last" for last. ROD 2
Guest sharmo 1 Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 I sell reissues from the like's of Tramp. jazzman, Soul sevens , outa site,soul junction and alike.These are all bone fide legal and legit in the same molding as say Ace/Kent ect.They're alway's licenced and good quality and legal Tramp make the labels look like the originals but usually add the word Tramp where the original label title would be.A lot of this is mainly funk/west Indian funk and calipso type stuff with a few modern/northern track's being done.Most are ltd release 250 - 500 and alot are numbered.they're stocked and sold by big internet company's in Europe and beyond and only a small amount get to the U.K.I normally have 10 of each and rarely restock unless i get people asking for a title which has usually gone or been deleted.As a long term collector and occasional dj i don't feel like a hypercrite (sic) for doing it if the 45 has been licenced if i don't sell ten or so someone else will .What amazes me about this and the mello souls 45 comes to mind is really who's gonna buy it,when the sarah fabia funk track came out i knew around ten folk who'd want it.Only available on a painfully rare album containing mainly poetry it's an early example of rap and very funky and could see why someone would want to buy it it is in a strange way an original 45 as it's the first time on 45 , i really didn't see any problem selling copies.As i said only a few on the northern scene would have been intrested and these were all very well know northern dj's infact top of the tree type spinners.Let's face fact's here and i'm going to mention the mello souls bootleg as an example there's not that many of the soul night type attendees going to know that record and i couldn't see a mad rush by anyone who'd want to buy it, the same would go for "gotta make a change" I've played this at soul nights and emptied the floor with it so i just don't see either it makeing a jolt of differance to the price of an original or it's acceptability to a certain ordiance.However it is very wrong at the end of the day someone created that piece of music and someone owns the rights so someone has been openly robbed of money and right out in the open.I wouldn't like to go to work all week and someone have my pay cheque at the end of it and that's roughly what's happening.so in a way a criminal (a crime has been commited)has got away with a crime i hope they don't sell and i think not many will so bootleggings still around and untill these thieves get prosercuted (sic) they'll carry on.Regards Simon , i'd love to hear anyones views on me selling the legit stuff as I'd hate to be seen as doing something wrong (i produced an invoice to a well known dealer/dj and old friend of mine recently as we nearly fell out over this he said i was wrong to sell them although he sells the kent stuff he still wasn't happy but the invoice came from one of the worlds biggest distributors who wouldn't touch a bootleg with a barge pole) so guy's what do you think am i wrong to sell legit reissues or not ? if the feeling is strong enough i'll stop selling them .
Premium Stuff Posted March 30, 2013 Author Posted March 30, 2013 Legit reissues are fine by me Richard
Pk 22dj Posted March 30, 2013 Posted March 30, 2013 I had my say on this topic some time back and my thoughts are still the same. I have not a problem with boots being made especially cuts of very hard to get records for anyone who can not afford the real deal, as long as they look nothing like the originals or have a distinctive difference on the label. I collect expensive records and get pissed off when I see like for like labels when there is no reason for it, they would still buy them on white labels. 3
Guest The Record Box Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 Must be a close friend of Arthur Daley.
Joefromupnorth Posted April 1, 2013 Posted April 1, 2013 I hate counterfeits and bootlegs Here are a couple that especially caught my eye today https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Johnny-Rodgers-Make-A-Change-Northern-Soul-Vinyl-45-/140944603615?pt=UK_Records&hash=item20d0f3f9df https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Betty-Lloyd-Im-Catching-On-Northern-Soul-Vinyl-45-New-/130879372433?pt=UK_Records& Anyone know the background? Please feel free to comment or post up your favourite (worst) current day bootlegs Shameful Cheers Richard How could you miss this gem Rich and a white demo too !!!! someone's going to be very lucky securing this one https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Frank-Wilson-Do-I-Love-You-White-Label-Promo-Northern-Soul-New-Vinyl-45-/140936243763?pt=UK_Records&hash=item20d0746a33 Demo
Popular Post Marc Forrest Posted April 1, 2013 Popular Post Posted April 1, 2013 wont contirbute to the question of "pro or contra boots" as I ve done it so many times I am sick of it already big time. Some will always find some sort of justification for it.. Only thing I have to add, these boots (Betty Lloyd and Johnny Rogers) are obviously made to give them a real deal kinda feel to them. both failed big time..On a side note: I did visit a mate of mine recently who runs a local record shop. hadnt been there for ages due to my more and more demanding work comitments. I was so so surprised to see about three hundred different recent bootlegs of r&b racks on the shelves. I told me mate how surprised I was and went on to ask him if he still keeps track and knows whats new etc etc and he said he had given up a long time ago already. he thinks himself its way too much being "re-released" these days. plus the sound qulaity on most is so so poor. the supply by far has now outnumbered demand. side-aspect of this is that this new breed / r&b scene is almost dead by now (over here)... more than four different record shops selling this shit, every dick, john and jim thought he is a dj now and every club tried to have its own r&b nights and parties.over-dose. and the bootlegs were the fuel for it. sounds familiar ? 4
Guest Posted April 2, 2013 Posted April 2, 2013 I hate counterfeits and bootlegs Here are a couple that especially caught my eye today https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Johnny-Rodgers-Make-A-Change-Northern-Soul-Vinyl-45-/140944603615?pt=UK_Records&hash=item20d0f3f9df https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Betty-Lloyd-Im-Catching-On-Northern-Soul-Vinyl-45-New-/130879372433?pt=UK_Records& Anyone know the background? Please feel free to comment or post up your favourite (worst) current day bootlegs Shameful Cheers Richard What does BSC stand for bullshit copy
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Milliontearsoul Posted April 3, 2013 Posted April 3, 2013 Hope to find soon all those bootlegs in the closest supermarket .....will surely buy soulboy & northern soul at the same time ! 1
Thfcliam Posted April 3, 2013 Posted April 3, 2013 (edited) Only pikey's wear fake Designer clothes so is it the same who buy boot records, are they pikeys? Edited April 3, 2013 by thfcliam
Pete S Posted April 3, 2013 Posted April 3, 2013 Only pikey's wear fake Designer clothes so is it the same who buy boot records, are they pikeys? That's not exactly true, the best pair of sunglasses I ever had were knock offs. I am not now or have never been a pikey. 3
pikeys dog Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 Only pikey's wear fake Designer clothes so is it the same who buy boot records, are they pikeys? I don't do either.
pikeys dog Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 I was so so surprised to see about three hundred different recent bootlegs of r&b racks on the shelves. I told me mate how surprised I was and went on to ask him if he still keeps track and knows whats new etc etc and he said he had given up a long time ago already. he thinks himself its way too much being "re-released" these days. plus the sound qulaity on most is so so poor. the supply by far has now outnumbered demand. side-aspect of this is that this new breed / r&b scene is almost dead by now (over here)... I know who is putting most of these out - he's fairly blatant about it. I can only assume that he is getting a list of "hot" titles from each of the scenes that make up the overall R&b scene - as there seems to be a broad brush stroke at the style of 45s that they are putting out. It's crap if you've just got hold of an original, but it is keeping a bit of an arms race going between the DJs and the bootlegger.
Pete S Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 That's not exactly true, the best pair of sunglasses I ever had were knock offs. I am not now or have never been a pikey. Does anyone remember that thread about when I went down to the local tip to chuck something away and I had basically football casual gear on, SI, Lacoste or whatever, and a baseball cap, and I'd just thrown my stuff away when an old chap came up to me and said "Do you work here?" 1
Thfcliam Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 Does anyone remember that thread about when I went down to the local tip to chuck something away and I had basically football casual gear on, SI, Lacoste or whatever, and a baseball cap, and I'd just thrown my stuff away when an old chap came up to me and said "Do you work here?" So he did really think you was a pikey or just a smart casual who works at a tip
Pete S Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 So he did really think you was a pikey or just a smart casual who works at a tip The latter I think. Daft old sod. Him, not you.
Mick Sway Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 I sell reissues from the like's of Tramp. jazzman, Soul sevens , outa site,soul junction and alike.These are all bone fide legal and legit in the same molding as say Ace/Kent ect.They're alway's licenced and good quality and legal Tramp make the labels look like the originals but usually add the word Tramp where the original label title would be.A lot of this is mainly funk/west Indian funk and calipso type stuff with a few modern/northern track's being done.Most are ltd release 250 - 500 and alot are numbered.they're stocked and sold by big internet company's in Europe and beyond and only a small amount get to the U.K.I normally have 10 of each and rarely restock unless i get people asking for a title which has usually gone or been deleted.As a long term collector and occasional dj i don't feel li................................... so guy's what do you think am i wrong to sell legit reissues or not ? if the feeling is strong enough i'll stop selling them . Licensed re-issues are no problem in my book, though many serious collectors abhor them. I reckon anyone selling the legit re-issues is supporting the music industry in a positive way, keep it up!
Geordiejohnson Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 MMM i think this boot legging is "catching on"........i'll get me coat no wonder i never made it as a comedian It is sad that it happens but how many of us had copies in the good old days, when we were young and skint that fuelled this type of person, many of us got wise and changed, a lot dont care..... sad and maddening, but it will always happen no matter how much we now protest geeooooordie 2
Guest Tigerpants Posted April 5, 2013 Posted April 5, 2013 I hate counterfeits and bootlegs Here are a couple that especially caught my eye today https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Johnny-Rodgers-Make-A-Change-Northern-Soul-Vinyl-45-/140944603615?pt=UK_Records&hash=item20d0f3f9df https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Betty-Lloyd-Im-Catching-On-Northern-Soul-Vinyl-45-New-/130879372433?pt=UK_Records& Anyone know the background? Please feel free to comment or post up your favourite (worst) current day bootlegs Shameful Cheers Richard Is this item he's selling legal? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stevens-Foster-I-Want-To-Be-Love-Northern-Soul-Vinyl-45-Listen-/140947424084?pt=UK_Records&hash=item20d11f0354
jocko Posted April 5, 2013 Posted April 5, 2013 I had my say on this topic some time back and my thoughts are still the same. I have not a problem with boots being made especially cuts of very hard to get records for anyone who can not afford the real deal, as long as they look nothing like the originals or have a distinctive difference on the label. I collect expensive records and get pissed off when I see like for like labels when there is no reason for it, they would still buy them on white labels.So you don't mind the artist being ripped off as long as it doesn't impact your collection.The hypocrisy of Northern Soul summed up in a paragraph.Buy the f***ng legit CD is surely the answer and bootlegging means less chance of that happening. What you do after that, carver of the CD track etc, as dodgy as that may be, I couldn't care. 1
jocko Posted April 5, 2013 Posted April 5, 2013 I sell reissues from the like's of Tramp. jazzman, Soul sevens , outa site,soul junction and alike.These are all bone fide legal and legit in the same molding as say Ace/Kent ect.They're alway's licenced and good quality and legal Tramp make the labels look like the originals but usually add the word Tramp where the original label title would be.A lot of this is mainly funk/west Indian funk and calipso type stuff with a few modern/northern track's being done.Most are ltd release 250 - 500 and alot are numbered.they're stocked and sold by big internet company's in Europe and beyond and only a small amount get to the U.K.I normally have 10 of each and rarely restock unless i get people asking for a title which has usually gone or been deleted.As a long term collector and occasional dj i don't feel like a hypercrite (sic) for doing it if the 45 has been licenced if i don't sell ten or so someone else will .What amazes me about this and the mello souls 45 comes to mind is really who's gonna buy it,when the sarah fabia funk track came out i knew around ten folk who'd want it.Only available on a painfully rare album containing mainly poetry it's an early example of rap and very funky and could see why someone would want to buy it it is in a strange way an original 45 as it's the first time on 45 , i really didn't see any problem selling copies.As i said only a few on the northern scene would have been intrested and these were all very well know northern dj's infact top of the tree type spinners.Let's face fact's here and i'm going to mention the mello souls bootleg as an example there's not that many of the soul night type attendees going to know that record and i couldn't see a mad rush by anyone who'd want to buy it, the same would go for "gotta make a change" I've played this at soul nights and emptied the floor with it so i just don't see either it makeing a jolt of differance to the price of an original or it's acceptability to a certain ordiance.However it is very wrong at the end of the day someone created that piece of music and someone owns the rights so someone has been openly robbed of money and right out in the open.I wouldn't like to go to work all week and someone have my pay cheque at the end of it and that's roughly what's happening.so in a way a criminal (a crime has been commited)has got away with a crime i hope they don't sell and i think not many will so bootleggings still around and untill these thieves get prosercuted (sic) they'll carry on.Regards Simon , i'd love to hear anyones views on me selling the legit stuff as I'd hate to be seen as doing something wrong (i produced an invoice to a well known dealer/dj and old friend of mine recently as we nearly fell out over this he said i was wrong to sell them although he sells the kent stuff he still wasn't happy but the invoice came from one of the worlds biggest distributors who wouldn't touch a bootleg with a barge pole) so guy's what do you think am i wrong to sell legit reissues or not ? if the feeling is strong enough i'll stop selling them .Tell them to F**k off and keep selling and buying them. Its paying the people we are percieved to appreciate. Although record collecting, which most of us are guilty of, sometimes takes our attention away from that.I assume the minefield is what is truly legit but thats another debate, you are totally correct and entitled to trust legit companies.Good on you I say.I totally agree with your point about dodgy bootlegs not impacting prices of records or all nighter plays, I think thats just paranoia, but they do impact CD sales so surely that needs to be reflected in peoples thoughts and actions. 1
Geordiejohnson Posted April 6, 2013 Posted April 6, 2013 (edited) So you don't mind the artist being ripped off as long as it doesn't impact your collection. The hypocrisy of Northern Soul summed up in a paragraph. Buy the f***ng legit CD is surely the answer and bootlegging means less chance of that happening. What you do after that, carver of the CD track etc, as dodgy as that may be, I couldn't care. Im not having a go at you but i do hear this discussion about the Artists being ripped off...... they have been since day one and its totally wrong and i think even the legit soul scene has done that for years, the chances of most of the artists or writers getting any type of royalty is next to dead, but how many soul venues act illigally by not producing playlists and not submitting them to PRS so that artists can get royalties, or how many venues actually take or have took a moral stand and say X% of the door is going to the artists played tonight. I think the answer is None...so your right the hypocrisy of Northern soul.....even by people like me who do collect orginals is actually shameful. I hear and read a lot on this site and been part of the OVO brigade bangers but because they/we/I are buying original we think weve done our bit for that artist...well what exactly did we or the seller we bought off give back to the artists? oh unless it was a new release. How much money do you think the likes of Tobi Legend or Dean Parrish should have had everytime their tracks were played on the soul scene?? if we did contribute properly Yipee I bought real ones but the artist got feck all So in essence are we ripping the artists off as much as the bootleggers...one for thought Geeooooooodie Edited April 6, 2013 by geordiejohnson 3
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