Precisions If This Love

[night nurse]

can any one tell me the price of this Precisions If This Love and what label it was first released on

thanks 

[Prophonics 2029]

Drew and only drew, 15 20 UK£.

[night nurse]

nice one prophonics  just brought one on drew for 24 quid and seen it for a tenner but it was not on drew glad i didnt buy that one 

[Premium Stuff]

What was it on if you don't mind me asking?

 

Cheers

 

Richard

[Guest]

Also  on Canadian Stone

[Lionelonthevinyl]

Also by EddieSpencer on Canadian arc but think this is about £150?

[night nurse]

 Detroit  label this most a boot then 

Edited March 29, 2013 by night nurse

[Premium Stuff]

You mean "Made in Detroit" - like this one?

 

Recent reissue - legit?

 

Cheers

 

Richard

[night nurse]

yea that's the one 

[bri pinch]

also originally released in the UK, on Track

[Citizen P]

Other side, You'll Soon Be Gone, is top notch also

[Gene-r]

also originally released in the UK, on Track

 

I'd avoid the UK Track issue - it gradually starts slowing down through the middle, and sounds terrible at the fade-out.

[bri pinch]

I'd avoid the UK Track issue - it gradually starts slowing down through the middle, and sounds terrible at the fade-out.

Really, never ever noticed...

[Prophonics 2029]

Totaly forgot about the Stone copy only just comeback into mind.

[Guest]

Totaly forgot about the Stone copy only just comeback into mind.

I have it on Stone....much nicer

[Ljblanken]

spun "you'll soon be gone" on friday night sandwiched between "oh baby" by Jill Harris and "you made me suffer" by Tyrone Davis.

 

the kind of music that is mid-tempo but has a double helping of soulful vocals... 

[Dave Pinch]

I'd avoid the UK Track issue - it gradually starts slowing down through the middle, and sounds terrible at the fade-out.

i had it years never noticed...came off barnsley market for £1...common as muck on drew was even a pop hit

[Chris L]

Original US

Original Canada (Eddie Spencer)

Re-issue Canada

UK issue

[Premium Stuff]

Eddie Spencer on Power Exchange (scan nicked from internet)

 

By the looks of it that scan above is my copy of Eddie Spencer on Arc  

 

Cheers 

 

Richard

Edited April 7, 2013 by Premium Stuff

[Chris L]

Can anyone tell me when that Track Records UK issue was released ? 

[Chris L]

Eddie Spencer on Power Exchange (scan nicked from internet)

 

By the looks of it that scan above is my copy of Eddie Spencer on Arc  

 

Cheers 

 

Richard

 

I've had Eddie Spencer on all 3 of those issues both the Canadian ones played lousy but the UK one nicely 

[Roburt]

Can anyone tell me when that Track Records UK issue was released ? 

 

November 67 .....

......... see here https://www.45cat.com/label/track

[Roburt]

Track Records deal with their Detroit contacts seemed to be over in 3 months (Nov 67 -- Jan 68), though their licensing deals obviously lasted longer as some of their soul releases were reissued later in the 60's (the Debonaires single escaping on 45 very early in the 70's).

The label's last soul release in 1976 featured two LaBelle UK recorded cuts.

Edited April 8, 2013 by Roburt

[Dave Pinch]

dont forget the backtrack lps came out in 1970 with the parliaments debonairs etc contained within

[Chris L]

November 67 .....

......... see here https://www.45cat.com/label/track

 

Good heavens !! I always thought it was a later 70s release.  

[Dave Pinch]

Track Records deal with their Detroit contacts seemed to be over in 3 months (Nov 67 -- Jan 68), though their licensing deals obviously lasted longer as some of their soul releases were reissued later in the 60's (the Debonaires single escaping on 45 very early in the 70's).

The label's last soul release in 1976 featured two LaBelle UK recorded cuts.

i think it was really through polydor who distributed track john. they issued a few detroit things earlier before track came about.... hard to believe the parliaments `testify` came out twice here in the 60`s....and how did polydor get away with reissuing edwin starr in 1969 when motown had long snapped up the rights

[night nurse]

confused now lol i got it on drew and also on made in Detroit  but on a demo is this a legit copy then told you im a bit slow 

Edited April 8, 2013 by night nurse

[Mal C]

Also by EddieSpencer on Canadian arc but think this is about £150?

 

never rated this version, Not a patch vocally to the precisions... I really don't think he's that much of a singer..

[Naughty Boy]

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I have it on Stone....much nicer

Same here love the label

[Guest]

never rated this version, Not a patch vocally to the precisions... I really don't think he's that much of a singer..

Rarety value only im afraid! .......... Precisions version is far superior. 

[Roburt]

i think it was really through polydor who distributed track john. they issued a few detroit things earlier before track came about.... hard to believe the parliaments `testify` came out twice here in the 60`s....and how did polydor get away with reissuing edwin starr in 1969 when motown had long snapped up the rights

 

Polydor just distributed Track Records.

The label was run by the Who's management team ..... Kit Lambert & Chris Stamp.

The pair were mates of RSG's Vicki Wickham, who in 1970 became Patti LaBelle & the Blue Belles manager. Wickham renamed the group LaBelle & they moved to the UK. They signed with Lambert / Stamp at Track and recorded some cuts here in the UK (these weren't released till 76). LaBelle opened some shows for the Who but in late 70 returned to the US.

LaBelle eventually hit big in 1974 & had 6 hits in all thru to the end of 76 (it was those hits that prompted Lambert & Stamp to release a couple of the group's earlier UK recordings on a Track 45 in 76). 

Not sure who hooked Lambert & Stamp up with their Detroit connection; could well have been someone at Polydor.

[Sebastian]

never rated this version, Not a patch vocally to the precisions... I really don't think he's that much of a singer..

 

Totally agree. The only reason in my opinion to own the 45 on ARC is because of the uptempo flipside.

 

Has anyone ever tracked down Carole Waller's version of "You're So Good To Me Baby" (not the Silky Hargraves song)? Is it only a demo/acetate or does it exist on an issued 45? Apparently "recorded for USA Records".

[Stuart Russell]

Page 132 of Keith Rylatt's "Groovesville USA" has a photo of a clip from Billboard magazine... apparently Lambert and Stamp moved one Nancy Lewis from London to New York to run their US operation. The short article explains how they were trying to forge a 'third force' in England's R&B field by looking for ties with small R&B labels in the States.

[Roburt]

Yes, you're right.

Seems that Lambert & Stamp hit on the idea themselves.

They wanted Track Records to rival the Tamla Motown & Atlantic labels in the UK as a major R&B source back in 1967.

It never really worked out, sales wise for them.

Nancy Lewis was still in the same job in summer 1970 (a member of the Who's management team).

She accepted a gold disc from Decca Records (US) on behalf of the group in early August 1970

Edited April 9, 2013 by Roburt

[Chris L]

Yes, you're right.

Seems that Lambert & Stamp hit on the idea themselves.

They wanted Track Records to rival the Tamla Motown & Atlantic labels in the UK as a major R&B source back in 1967.

It never really worked out, sales wise for them.

Nancy Lewis was still in the same job in summer 1970 (a member of the Who's management team).

She accepted a gold disc from Decca Records (US) on behalf of the group in early August 1970

 

Nice article   thanks for sharing...........

Edited April 9, 2013 by Chris L

[Gene-r]

i had it years never noticed...came off barnsley market for £1...common as muck on drew was even a pop hit

 

If you've still got it, give it a spin.  Take it off halfway and go straight to the last 30 seconds, and you'll see what I mean Dave!

Edited April 9, 2013 by Gene-R

[Roburt]

Arc Records (who released the Eddie Spencer 45) were well established in Canada by the 60's. They seemed to specialise in Country music releases though they also put out polka & ethnic music recorded by Canadian artists. They made a big push in 1967, putting out 20 albums to help celebrate their centennial year.

See here for info on some of their 45 releases ............ https://www.45cat.com/label/arc-ca

By 1969 they were getting more into contemporary pop & rock, having had hits on such acts as the Paupers, Sugar Shoppe & David Clayton-Thomas. Seems that their Eddie Spencer signing was part of a start in that direction that they had taken in 68 .........

 

Don't think the Arc Eddie Spencer 45 can be that rare though no doubt most copies disappeared straight into Canadian homes in the late 60's, never to reappear.

Edited April 9, 2013 by Roburt