Ljblanken Posted March 11, 2013 Posted March 11, 2013 (edited) which release came first? (mir-a-don or MBS?) is the MBS (yellow label) just the national distribution of the mir-a-don (purple) local one? thanks! p s - never heard this before, but it was on this week's "sitting in the park" podcast, which is awesome! Edited March 11, 2013 by ljblanken 1
Citizen P Posted March 11, 2013 Posted March 11, 2013 I would have thought that Mir A Don was first, seeing as it is significantly more expensive...
Solution boba Posted March 11, 2013 Solution Posted March 11, 2013 mir-a-don is the first press. they left the artist name off the record and it's stamped on the sleeve (assuming you get it with the original sleeve). get it on MBS, it's cheaper and easier to find. they have 3 other records on mir-a-don.
Ljblanken Posted March 11, 2013 Author Posted March 11, 2013 mir-a-don is the first press. they left the artist name off the record and it's stamped on the sleeve (assuming you get it with the original sleeve). get it on MBS, it's cheaper and easier to find. they have 3 other records on mir-a-don. Thanks!
The Tempest Posted March 11, 2013 Posted March 11, 2013 Great record , reminds me of the Walls brothers spots at Glenrothes YMCA , mid 80's , and yet so underplayed !!! , aspiring dj's take note
Ljblanken Posted March 15, 2013 Author Posted March 15, 2013 just got a mint minus of the MBS for $11.61 USD. sweet! https://www.ebay.com/itm/271166612123?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
Lionelonthevinyl Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 Have seen a miradon with the artist credited on the lable, would this be a boot?
Guest sharmo 1 Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 I've got the original acetate of this (I'm sure it's A1 studio disc) working from memory I'm sure it say's M.B.S records with the rest of the typed info .Regards S.
boba Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 Have seen a miradon with the artist credited on the lable, would this be a boot? Are you sure you're talking about miradon 1000? if so, is it stamped or actually printed on the label?
John A Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 Are you sure you're talking about miradon 1000? if so, is it stamped or actually printed on the label? Deffo came out wth artist credits too,one on ebay now https://www.ebay.com/itm/THE-ASCOTS-Mir-A-Don-MD-1000-MISS-HEARTBREAKER-THIS-OLD-HEARTACHE-Listen-/360612364372?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item53f62c0054 1
Louise Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 Deffo came out wth artist credits too,one on ebay now https://www.ebay.com/itm/THE-ASCOTS-Mir-A-Don-MD-1000-MISS-HEARTBREAKER-THIS-OLD-HEARTACHE-Listen-/360612364372?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item53f62c0054 Humm! I'd check the runout groove for the master numbers etc before bidding. Dave
John A Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 Humm! I'd check the runout groove for the master numbers etc before bidding. Dave Maybe,, with out checking, I'm sure Manny's bible has two entries, one with and one without the artist credit..... if that proves anything
Guest Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 I've had Mir-A-Don copies both with and without the group name on them - both are legit and tough. The MBS release was around in big quantity in the UK for decades and was always a cheapie...and of course is a terrific track. Roscoe Bowie's name appears on some other Chicago label releases...anyone got info on this chap?
Dave Pinch Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 I would have thought that Mir A Don was first, seeing as it is significantly more expensive... that means nothing ...people for some reason assume that to be the case and it is the `rarity` mentallity..but its not always correct
Guest sharmo 1 Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 I've had Mir-A-Don copies both with and without the group name on them - both are legit and tough.The MBS release was around in big quantity in the UK for decades and was always a cheapie...and of course is a terrific track.Roscoe Bowie's name appears on some other Chicago label releases...anyone got info on this chap?Hi there Flnny hope your o.k is the mbs release a Chigago thing then as I've never thought of these releases as being anything other than new york as you say there were loads around at one time so common I never thought about it's origin .Mir-a-don was a great label and collected all but never got the uncredited 45.Darling , Darling fantastic Another day Classic you couldn't go wrong with a mir-a-don I have Darling.... on two differant coloured labels regards Simon.
boba Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 this is a DC record. Archie Powell (RIP) was later in the Presidents on Sussex.
Robbk Posted March 16, 2013 Posted March 16, 2013 (edited) I don't remember Roscoe Bowie involved in a Chicago production. As far as I remember, he worked strictly on The East Coast. Edited March 16, 2013 by RobbK
Guest Posted March 16, 2013 Posted March 16, 2013 Hi there Flnny hope your o.k is the mbs release a Chigago thing then as I've never thought of these releases as being anything other than new york Apologies for the confusion...my Chicago reference was with regards to Roscoe Bowie (Jr?), the arranger on "Miss Heartbreaker" and "Anytime"...as his name also appears on a Chess disc by Andy Mack (aka Andy Mulgrader - one time member of the Spaniels) called, "Later Than You Think", which has a very similar arrangement/ sound to the Ascots tracks mentioned. That said, after a scratch around it appears that all parties concerned are out of DC, including the Carlton's who provided vocal backing to Andy Mack on that Chess 45...so forgive the loose Chicago link. Whilst we're at it, your A1 Sound Studios acetate...this studio was owned by Herb Abramson and based at 234 West 56th Street and then on the ground floor of a hotel off Broadway and 76th Street (gotta love the Internet!), so as it was a recording facility one may assume that "Miss Heartbreaker" is a NY recording, rather than DC.
Robbk Posted March 16, 2013 Posted March 16, 2013 (edited) Herb Abramson worked on projects in D.C. and Baltimore. He was early involved in D.C.'s music because he was friendly with Ahmet and Neshui Ertegun, whom he had first met in Washington. That, eventually got him involved with Jubilee Records. It may be that M.B.S./Mir-A-Don's recordings were made in D.C., or New York, or New Jersey, or, even Philadelphia. But, as they brought the group to NY to make the demo recording, it's most likely that they recorded the final mix and pressed in New York, as well. But not absolutely certain. Edited March 16, 2013 by RobbK
Guest Posted March 16, 2013 Posted March 16, 2013 With fear of going off topic, I see that Roscoe Bowie's son is Michael Bowie the famed jazz double-bass player...seems it was a musical family with Dad on woodwind and Mum Gerri on piano!
Citizen P Posted March 16, 2013 Posted March 16, 2013 that means nothing ...people for some reason assume that to be the case and it is the `rarity` mentallity..but its not always correct Fair Enough.... I feel a lot better about my MBS copy now...
boba Posted March 16, 2013 Posted March 16, 2013 I think Mir-A-Don is first though, it's a local DC label, MBS isn't. I agree with Dave that rarity doesn't always equate to "first" though. I think MBS probably just picked up the first release for distribution.
John A Posted March 16, 2013 Posted March 16, 2013 Shame they never picked up the other Mir-a-don stuff for release.. Did the Royal Premiers come out on a local label first?
boba Posted March 16, 2013 Posted March 16, 2013 no, royal premiers "I can't make it if I try" only came out on MBS. it's a new york production btw, produced by Larrie Lucie, so the Royal Premiers are probably from NYC. They had an earlier 45 on Toy though.
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