Settle An Argument ? Ann Sexton

[Dave Pinch]

You're yolking.!!

stop egging him on kev

[SHEFFSOUL]

You're all wrong

show me some evidence that the coloured 77 label was around in 74/75.

Then I'll shut up.

cant give hard evidence BUT..i'm sure i bought the multicolor/later reissue around late 75..cos i couldnt find an original for sale..too popular esp at the casino..

[Sebastian]

Perhaps someone can ask Garry Cape when they were done (if I remember correctly, member "dewsburyborn" is Cape)?

Here is what he wrote in a thread from August 2008:

"I had John Richbourg repress it - on the orange/black label - I sold 2,500 to Neil Rushton and 1,000 to my guys in Holland for the flip side 'You're Letting Me Down'."

[macca]

It was considered an oldie by 1977/8 though. Brian Rae used to hammer it, along with the Valentines... in a fit of 'label association', probably...

[Pete S]

Right this is my theory.

If it was played - and I only refer to Wigan because I only went there - it was played before 1976 and after 1978 when it would have been a 'big oldie'. I can say that with confidence as I did not miss many weeks in those years and I don't ever remember hearing it. And it doesn't appear on any of my pre 1976 WIgan tapes, of which I have around 15. I did hear it at Birmingham Locarno alldayers though, late 78 early 79.

[Rupert]

im with you pete i dont remember the multi coloured ones until about 77.

[neckender]

Just to get back to the original question; does a bootleg of 'you've been gone too long' on Seventy 7, exist, I think the answer is yes.  I found a record shop/distributor in South Carolina with a load of ann sextons on seventy 7.   I bought about 30 copies and noticed that there were two distinct pressings of the SEVENTY 7 record with different dead wax impressions. 

 

First one has:  A-side:  small SS-107   with a small matrix.  Run-out groove is 8mm.

                        B-side:  small SS-108   with small matrix.  This side has a larger run-out groove at 12mm.

                        The vinly edge has that square finish.  The white dj copies also follow this format

 

Second press:  A-side:  seperate numbers in dead wax;  320,  SS107,  77104  and the small matrix different to first example. Run-out

                         groove is 10mm.

                         B-side:  seprate numbers in dead wax;  77-104,  SS108,  320 and a small matrix different to first example. Run-out

                         groove is 10mm.

                         The vinyl edge has less of a square finish. 

 

Probably two different different presses at different pressing plants. Both originals.

 

Now here comes the info about the possible bootleg.  I also came across a copy of the Seventy 7 record, somewhere along the collecting journey, which doesn't look right. The label doesn't have the same defined print and the text looks a little washed out. It didn't come from America, but from a collector here in the UK.

The dead wax impressions are different;

A-side; 77-104-A  (scratched in, rather than pressed)   and SS107.  

B-side;  77-104-B (scratched in, rather than pressed)   and SS108.

But there is the small matrix on each side.

Vinyl is different to the previous two presses.

 

For me, this last example, doesn't look authentic and reminds me of a lot of the other bootlegs from the 7ts.

It may have been pressed in the States, but I think later than the original pressing.

I can't imagine that the bootleggers of the later 7ts would have missed an opportunity to do a job on this record, especially since it became such a very popular play later in that decade, even though the original release wasn't so rare. 

Additional contributions appreciated.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi there i was talking to a guy this morning who said that Ann Sexton "You've been gone too long" was bootlegged on yellow label is this correct ? regards Simon.

[Sebastian]

Now here comes the info about the possible bootleg.  I also came across a copy of the Seventy 7 record, somewhere along the collecting journey, which doesn't look right. The label doesn't have the same defined print and the text looks a little washed out. It didn't come from America, but from a collector here in the UK.

The dead wax impressions are different;

A-side; 77-104-A  (scratched in, rather than pressed)   and SS107.  

B-side;  77-104-B (scratched in, rather than pressed)   and SS108.

But there is the small matrix on each side.

Vinyl is different to the previous two presses.

Do you mean like in the image below (which I found on the net)? The printing is poorly defined and looks "copied" from the proper label. The text is smudged and parts of some of the letters are missing. Looks suspicious to me.

 

[Garethx]

I'm sure the one Sebastian has posted above is a boot. Simplest way to tell is that the '7' in the logotype is solid black, whereas on the original the same figure is composed of thin horizontal black lines.

 

One thing I've always wondered about: my copy is the yellow label Seventy 7 first press which conforms to the first variant neckender lists above.

 

The last few seconds of the record 'flutter' as if the tape is being slowed or the cutting lathe being disturbed through the mastering process: the last bit where she sings "took to long… to come home". Is this the same for the Impel version and indeed all subsequent presses of the record?

[Guest Gogs]

Just checked my copy and it is different YBGTL side has scratched in SS 108 and 16mm run out  while  YLMD side has scratched in SS107 and a 10mm run out, Both sides have a very small faint stamped mark that looks like 3 letters but even with my glasses on i can.t make them out.

[Patto]

This is my copy which is marked up the same as the first one NECKENDER lists, with the square finish to the edge of the vinyl.Think it sounds the same as yours GOGS

 

 

 

 

[Guest Gogs]

This is my copy which is marked up the same as the first one NECKENDER lists, with the square finish to the edge of the vinyl.Think it sounds the same as yours GOGS

Looks like it Patto with the large run-out.

[neckender]

Yes Seb,  but your image doesn't show the extent of the poorly defined and smudged text.  But your comments I agree with.

 

 

Do you mean like in the image below (which I found on the net)? The printing is poorly defined and looks "copied" from the proper label. The text is smudged and parts of some of the letters are missing. Looks suspicious to me.

 

ann-sexton-youve-been-gone-too-long.jpg

[neckender]

Gareth,  the bootleg's logotype 7,  is made up of horizontal lines in a similar way to the original copies, but they are spaced closer together, making it seem like it's solid black.  It's one of those situations where you need to have the records in front of you and get a closer look.

 

I'm sure the one Sebastian has posted above is a boot. Simplest way to tell is that the '7' in the logotype is solid black, whereas on the original the same figure is composed of thin horizontal black lines.

 

One thing I've always wondered about: my copy is the yellow label Seventy 7 first press which conforms to the first variant neckender lists above.

 

The last few seconds of the record 'flutter' as if the tape is being slowed or the cutting lathe being disturbed through the mastering process: the last bit where she sings "took to long… to come home". Is this the same for the Impel version and indeed all subsequent presses of the record?