slimharpo Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 Particularly given the large increase in postage for the first 45 + the decline in the value of Sterling + I was charged £9 VAT on a package with a customs value of $30 + £8 Royal Mail handling fee. I used to get some very nice items for $5-$10 that I could sell on, but these charges are making it not really worth while to buy reasonably priced items that used to be cheaper to buy from the States, unless it is a must have for your own collection. It may still be worth it for a high value item bought cheaply obviously. Do other buyers have the same observations?
Only Dreaming Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 (edited) I'm afraid I have to agree. This week on ebay I've left a quite a few 45's in the $5-10 price range due to the high postage costs. Dave Edited February 24, 2013 by Only Dreaming 1
pikeys dog Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 I'll bet Messers Manship, Brady and Brown are rubbing their hands together. Think of all the under £20 records that they are now going to be able to sell, as it will now be cheaper to get them from the UK than the US. 1
Dave Pinch Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 Particularly given the large increase in postage for the first 45 + the decline in the value of Sterling + I was charged £9 VAT on a package with a customs value of $30 + £8 Royal Mail handling fee. I used to get some very nice items for $5-$10 that I could sell on, but these charges are making it not really worth while to buy reasonably priced items that used to be cheaper to buy from the States, unless it is a must have for your own collection. It may still be worth it for a high value item bought cheaply obviously. Do other buyers have the same observations? yes
Dave Pinch Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 I'll bet Messers Manship, Brady and Brown are rubbing their hands together. Think of all the under £20 records that they are now going to be able to sell, as it will now be cheaper to get them from the UK than the US. spot on joe...anything thats `available` with a £20 or below its not worth buying from the usa unless you can buy a few more from same seller 1
Denbo Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 Particularly given the large increase in postage for the first 45 + the decline in the value of Sterling + I was charged £9 VAT on a package with a customs value of $30 + £8 Royal Mail handling fee. I used to get some very nice items for $5-$10 that I could sell on, but these charges are making it not really worth while to buy reasonably priced items that used to be cheaper to buy from the States, unless it is a must have for your own collection. It may still be worth it for a high value item bought cheaply obviously. Do other buyers have the same observations? Yep
slimharpo Posted February 24, 2013 Author Posted February 24, 2013 Looks like that's it then. I get 2 or 3 non Internet lists that I enjoy going through and usually bought something, not necessarily rare but quality and cheap. It seems that it will be a rare occurence now. Still one man's misfourtune. Joe is right, it will be a bonus for UK dealers which is not necessarily a bad thing is it?
Gointoagogo Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 Two weeks ago I got stung for a £96 customs/PO/Admin charge and I decided then that I will not be buying any more 45's from US. Consequently these new postal charges won't affect me. It will probably mean that I'll miss out on some of my wants items but hey ho it's only a record after all 1
Premium Stuff Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 (edited) There is a big difference in what different US sellers seem to be charging when adjusting to the new postage charges. I guess after a while market forces will make them settle down to a similar standard amount. Agreed that at the moment £10+ for shipping makes it not worthwhile and I have left a few things over the last couple of weeks. The thing that really pissed me off was sellers charging the higher postage rates when the new postage charges kicked in, even though the items were advertised and purchased before the rise Wait till I get to leave feedback the bast*rds Cheers Richard Edited February 24, 2013 by Premium Stuff
Northern Soul Uk Posted February 24, 2013 Posted February 24, 2013 For the price that records can be bought from the states, I think it's usually worth paying the extra for postage.
Louis Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 I've stopped buying off USA ebay as recently had to pay £17 for vat and £8 Post office. Mind you............. if everyone is stopping buying from USA I might get them cheaper with no one bidding against me! Louis
Jim G Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 And with the pound falling against the dollar it is getting more expensive 1
Little-stevie Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 I aint dealing with the USA anymore, the postage and customs are just too much... A shame really as had some great bargains.. I guess the customs had to get on the case eventually, we had it good for a long time..... 3
Dave Pinch Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 at the other end of the scale...i just bought something for 500$ and the guy wants to charge me $50 dollars post and put the full value on the packet so that means i`ll get stung another $70 when 45 arrives..i bid $500 not $620 ffs 2
John Reed Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) And with the pound falling against the dollar it is getting more expensive With the UK's downgrade over the weekend cable's at its lowest levels since June 2010 adding more pain to UK buyers. I often wonder how much of eBay flow comes to the UK/Europe and how much these postal changes will actually affect US sellers? Edited February 25, 2013 by John Reed
Steve G Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 Yes a lot John. I think ebay as a source of cheapo 45s has had it's day as far as the non US market is concerned, especially since HMRC started their "crackdown" too.
Dean Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 Got hit again last week with a silly customs charge, although I have had success in challenging these on a case-by-case basis but it's time consuming. Agree with above regarding thinking twice when buying $9-$25 records, just not worth it. Although that could do me a favour I've got too many small-ticket records. This was a first though, went into account this mornign to pay for last night "wins" to see one seller had added customs charges to invoice. Postage: US $17.95 (approx. £11.76) International Priority Shippingto United Kingdom This amount includes seller specified US postage charges as well as applicable international P&P, dispatch, and other fees. This amount is subject to change until you make payment. Import charges: US $15.87 (estimated and based on current bid) To be provided at checkout This amount includes applicable customs duties, taxes, brokerage and other fees. This amount is subject to change until you make payment. For additional information, see the Global Postage Programme terms and conditions
Tiberius Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 Some US sellers are cheesed off about the price rise. One example recently was I'd bought a cheap 45 from the USA just before the postal cost increase, when they came to post it, a day or 2 later, the cost had risen from what I paid. The seller posted the 45 but then got back in touch asking me to pay the difference as it would leave him out of pocket. I sympathised but politely refused as I had no control over when he posted the thing. This was $6.50 s&h originally so the guy had had to find an extra $6.25 postage on my 45 and on however many more he was posting internationally that day.
Britmusicsoulfan Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 As a US seller, I'm more than cheesed about the postage increase. It's absolutely cratered my sales. I do have shedloads of $10-$20 45s, with some higher. I've been running 50% off or best offer this month, and sales have been barely a blip. Nobody is going to buy 45s that will cost them more in postage than the cost of the item. I've added 300+ new titles in the last 6 weeks and have 10 more 160-count boxes I will hold off on listing any more and will continue to run a sale through the end of March and see the results. Meanwhile, I'm continuing to dig in boxes and am finding some real gems.
Guest Martin P Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 I'd not brought on ebay for a while, untill recently, I couldn't believe how much the sellers are charging std shipping on each 45 was between $12 and $15 .. Whats all that about.. Complete rip off.
Britmusicsoulfan Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 @Martin P. - unfortunately, the cost of postage went up dramatically on 27 January, especially at the single 45 rate. It really costs $12-$15 to send one 45 these days from the States to overseas. I wish I had control over it, but I'm not the US Post Office.
Chalky Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 @Martin P. - unfortunately, the cost of postage went up dramatically on 27 January, especially at the single 45 rate. It really costs $12-$15 to send one 45 these days from the States to overseas. I wish I had control over it, but I'm not the US Post Office. An LP is $19 or $20. Gonna be a lot of £10, £15 lps ignored now. 1
Britmusicsoulfan Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 @Chalky, LPs have always been expensive to post overseas, but the most noticeable bump in postage costs is for the single 45. The LP rate was much less dramatic.
Chalky Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 Some LP's were only just worth buying before but now even less so. 45's and ebay I don't bother anymore.
Diddy Morgan Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 whats the point buying a 20 dollar record $15 p&p, then the fiasco waiting for the card through the door asking for another eleven pounds odd pence, tax and handling charge then driving down to parcel office to pay the ransom on your 45
Guest tommymac Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 just had one of the lovely customs payment charges thats my first but its gonna be my last. deliberately bought 4 records to save on postage costs but after been hit by customs i might as well have bought in the uk buying in the usa is out for me now
Guest uroffal Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) Agree, done by customs on a $25 record, cost me £45 in end - customs + £8 'handling fee' the irony being that when I got to the post office they couldn't let me collect it as couldn't take my money cos the till was broken - so eight quid to not handle it FS! Edited February 25, 2013 by uroffal
KevH Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) If the postage is too high on ebay - leave it.Move on.Forget it.I do it.I also avoid sales from certain countries. As for customs charges,are'nt the USA sellers capable of declaring the record cheaper? Is it illegal to stick 5$ value on the ticket when the record is worth 10x's that? Edited February 25, 2013 by KevH
Guest sharmo 1 Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 If the postage is too high on ebay - leave it.Move on.Forget it.I do it.I also avoid sales from certain countries. As for customs charges,are'nt the USA sellers capable of declaring the record cheaper? Is it illegal to stick 5$ value on the ticket when the record is worth 10x's that? I've found it hard to get most usa dealers to "Garnish the price declaration" they seem a bit paranoid regarding the authority's.
Guest sharmo 1 Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 I've stopped buying from American lables ect as bulk buying ment me having to go all the way over to Nottingham to pick the parcels up and paying import duty ect it's just not worth it any longer.
John Reed Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) The thing is with putting a lower price on the customs slip is, if it truly gets lost in transit the seller can't claim the selling price and can only claim from the postal service what they've declared as the value on the slip Edited February 25, 2013 by John Reed
Tiberius Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 The thing is with putting a lower price on the customs slip is, if it truly gets lost in transit the seller can't claim the selling price and can only claim from the postal service what they've declared as the value on the slip Not true. You can use a copy of the paypal receipt or ebay finished listing as evidence in the event of a claim/ 2
Funky 4 Corners Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 Just a couple of thoughts - if the US sender states that it is a used 45, does it still attract as high a customs fee? Tonight I'd love to bid on a Dorothy Prince 45 from my wants list for $10 but the seller in Oklahoma is asking $15 postage and he won't drop below that so I've left it. I blame Lance Armstrong for the US postal hike, they've got to get their millions back somehow.
Northern Soul Uk Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 (edited) Just looked at buying a cheapie on the bay, then looked at the postage cost from the States at $25.99? WHAT???? OK I can soak up $12-15, when you convert that it's about a tenner, but $26?? NAH! Edited February 25, 2013 by Northern Soul UK
Britmusicsoulfan Posted February 25, 2013 Posted February 25, 2013 Anyone charging $25.99 unless it is express mail is ripping people off.
purist Posted February 26, 2013 Posted February 26, 2013 One US seller said that he decided what figure to put on the value label on the packet. When i queried it he said "Just because you crazy english want to bid this record up to 200 dollars doesn't mean that's what it's worth. I paid 50 cents for that 45, so in my opinion it's worth 50 cents, so I'll declare 50 cents". I suppose he's correct, the price somebody pays doesn't in itself make an item worth that value, if you offered a starving man a loaf of bread or a copy of Eddie Parker etc., or you could offer me the pick of the current big ticket funk records and a mars bar, and I'd take the mars bar and I don't even like mars bars ;-) and surely this is proven when you ask ten collectors who all own a copy of, for example, The Precisions " Such Misery" how much they think it's worth I'll bet they don't all answer with the same exact price, so to put "value" on something is purely up to each individual, but I bet the authorities don't see it like that ! 2
Mr Smithy Posted February 26, 2013 Posted February 26, 2013 I've found it hard to get most usa dealers to "Garnish the price declaration" they seem a bit paranoid regarding the authority's. Never bothered me, I'm not in the business of giving that C a***hole and his crowd more money to piss away I put $5 /7/10 on it depending how I feel. and if the buyer asks me to, HOW he asks me to. Some are bloody demanding. As to claiming the money if it's lost. If it's registered you get $46 international and minimal bloodshed,but it never gets lost then. If it's not I'm to old to go through all that just so my kids will get a few $. As to HMC&E, if you send it in a nice professional mailer all nice and pretty it screams " Professional seller & buyer" - bang em the max!! If you do a fairly sloppy ( but solid) hand made mailer ( takes about 10 mins) change the senders name to Mrs Ethel McGinty . Then do your best ever so wobbly joined up sig and viola a pressy from Auntie Ethel and most get through without charges. Ones with the EB printed postage label too, funnily enough, even though you can't put it as a gift. At least those that reply as I ask to let me know. Some people admittedly when they're doing a production line don't have the time to do that, and I have had people moan that the package didn't look very nice but you can't win them all. And yes I've been killed by those robbin B********ds at USPS.
Dave Pinch Posted February 26, 2013 Posted February 26, 2013 following on from yesterdays performance with a usa seller i told them in no uncertain terms NOT to put the full value on the packet as not only will i get hammered in tax its an advertisment to steal said package,,,,,they said they never thought of it like that and have a greed to put $30 on it now rather than 500.....ive still paid registered post tho 1
heyjoerekkids Posted February 26, 2013 Posted February 26, 2013 One more cheesed off US seller here--I think the future is multiple records sold as a lot to justify the postage and low customs value on all. Maybe you get the one you want and a few similar to trade or sell yourself. Keep watching... 2
slimharpo Posted February 26, 2013 Author Posted February 26, 2013 Further to my initial posting, I have just received a package today of 37 records with a value of $37. I had a customs demand for £4.37 which is half what I had to pay for a package with a $30 value! I expect they are just making rough guesses on what to charge now as they have had no real previous experience. Maybe the office junior is the one given the responsibility by the HMRC to 'cut his teeth' on ripping off Joe Public.
Phild Posted February 26, 2013 Posted February 26, 2013 (edited) I recently won a record for $1500. Just tracked where it is and, yes. It's held by Royal Mail for customs charges. I dread to think what the fook they will be Edited February 26, 2013 by phild
Guest Posted February 26, 2013 Posted February 26, 2013 Ive just been stung £33 import charges and £8 handling fee, last time for me I think
jimmy clitheroe Posted February 26, 2013 Posted February 26, 2013 How are the Yanks justifying such Major increases , just watch the bloody royal mail will follow suit !! Paul
Quinvy Posted February 26, 2013 Posted February 26, 2013 It's just as bad in this country since the charges went up last April. Try sending a 45 anywhere abroad and you'll have a shock. I've had to stop selling to customers outside the UK on my business web site. The cost of postage means it's just not worth it.
Guest Bearsy Posted February 26, 2013 Posted February 26, 2013 I recently won a record for $1500. Just tracked where it is and, yes. It's held by Royal Mail for customs charges. I dread to think what the fook they will be About £300 I reckon Phil :-(
Scotters Posted February 26, 2013 Posted February 26, 2013 I was pleasantly surprised today when a 45 arrived from the US and amazed to see zero import charges...just the post. It wasn't a particularly cheap one so I wasn't sure what would happen with it to be honest. Does it depend on what the seller scribbles on the parcel in terms of value? If that's the case then thumbs up to this seller as he put something like $4 from what I could make out! It's nice to get the odd domestic delivery but there is something about getting one from the postie with coloured stamps and things hey, knowing it probably hasn't yet travelled over the pond or wherever. Parcels from Japan take some beating In terms of excitement I think and actually make the post cost worth it once in a while, for me anyway! I'm actually now dedicating a record box with lock and key just for my favourite looking parcels I want to keep. Sad!
Guest Bearsy Posted February 26, 2013 Posted February 26, 2013 Just over $900 record through eBay cost me £157 in customs and handling etc. and now with the increased postal charges its not just about the extra cost of postage in USA to here that's going to make a difference, the biggest issue now is Royal Mail and customs as you have to allow to be stung by them and that and increased charges has put me right off buying from the states, not even looked on eBay for about 2 weeks now, used to spend couple of hours a day looking for tunes but no more .....
Diddy Morgan Posted February 26, 2013 Posted February 26, 2013 am gonna start a courier service from stateside, organising collection and distribution of rare records ....not keen on flying however .....just an idea!!
Phild Posted February 27, 2013 Posted February 27, 2013 About £300 I reckon Phil :-( I reckon I'll be lucky to get away with £300
Mr Smithy Posted February 27, 2013 Posted February 27, 2013 How are the Yanks justifying such Major increases , just watch the bloody royal mail will follow suit !! Paul They say they're broke and "going out of business"- no kidding. They barely made or came short on various payments in the last year or two. https://badmoneyadvice.com/2012/05/is-the-usps-going-out-of-business.html https://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/15/us-postal-service-ruin-congress-warning Roughly stated but near enough. I'm assuming the RM is probably in the same state.
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