Parliaments On Revilot?

[Northernjordan]

Just wondering what they released on Revilot, as i think i'm not a million miles away from getting them all.

I have,

Dont Be Sore At Me/All Your Goodies Are Gone

I Can Feel The Ice Melting/I Wanna Testify

Time/Good Old Music

Little Man/The Goose

I know theres What Are You Growing/Look What I Almost Missed

Anything else?

Cheers

[Harry Crosby]

Just wondering what they released on Revilot, as i think i'm not a million miles away from getting them all.

I have,

Dont Be Sore At Me/All Your Goodies Are Gone

I Can Feel The Ice Melting/I Wanna Testify

Time/Good Old Music

Little Man/The Goose

I know theres What Are You Growing/Look What I Almost Missed

Anything else?

Cheers

They should be all in this link https://www.soulfulkindamusic.net/revilot.htm

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A New Day Begins/I'll Wait (Revilot 228).

A great double-sider.

Pink label.

Also released on Atco.

I'll Wait also done by Pat Lewis on Solid Hit.

Cheers

Richard

Edited February 8, 2013 by Premium Stuff

[Chalky]

https://www.globaldogproductions.info/r/revilot.html

[Northernjordan]

Cheers guys, I will hunt them down in the coming months. And maybe eventually I will have every thing by the parliaments although Heat Trouble and Rainy Day especially, are well out of my price range...

[Pete S]

Cheers guys, I will hunt them down in the coming months. And maybe eventually I will have every thing by the parliaments although Heat Trouble and Rainy Day especially, are well out of my price range...

Not sure if those are by the same Parliaments - anyone?

[Northernjordan]

They may not be, I really dont know. I just assumed they were....they are on completely different labels to be fair.

[Chalky]

Rainy Day (Cabell) Parliaments definately different group.

[Northernjordan]

Learn more and more each day... Still a great song, any more info on the other Parliaments?

[Chalky]

The Parlaments on Heart Trouble etc were George Clinton, Grady Thomas, Ray Davis, Fuzzy Haskins, and Calvin Simon.

The Parliaments on Cabell were from Virginia.

[Chalky]

Huntington, West Virginia the Cabell label was based.

[Premium Stuff]

If you want to do this 'properly' you need 'Heart Trouble' on Golden World on the yellow issue and the white DJ copy.

Plus, you need 'Don't Be Sore At Me' on a Revilot DJ copy (rare) as well as the issue.

'Look At What I Almost Missed' - also done by Pat Lewis on Solid Hit.

Cheers

Richard

[Northernjordan]

I will eventually do it properly as the DJ copy nand heart trouble are long term wants. At the moment I'm just wanting to get the all their Revilot stuff. ;)

[Northernjordan]

Issues not stuff

[Dave Thorley]

Paliaments on Cabell were a 7 piecs band from Huntingdon, Virginia (as Karl said), they included brothers Isaac & Rail and one Little Archie, who also recorded on Dial. He now lives in Nashville and wrote this is 'My rainy day'. There was 45 that came out a year or so ago that claimed to be legal re-issues, but Little Archie was never contacted or paid for the re-issue and he holds the only legal rights to the song. It was claimed at the time that Archie was dead, but he is alive and well and very pissed off. Little Archie also sang lead on 'My rainy day'

[Northernjordan]

Thanks for the great info, always interesting. Such a shame he didnt get what he deserved for writing a great song.

Love it.

[Robbk]

Paliaments on Cabell were a 7 piecs band from Huntingdon, Virginia (as Karl said), they included brothers Isaac & Rail and one Little Archie, who also recorded on Dial. He now lives in Nashville and wrote this is 'My rainy day'. There was 45 that came out a year or so ago that claimed to be legal re-issues, but Little Archie was never contacted or paid for the re-issue and he holds the only legal rights to the song. It was claimed at the time that Archie was dead, but he is alive and well and very pissed off. Little Archie also sang lead on 'My rainy day'

Cabell was in WEST Virginia (US Midwest). Virginia is in USA-South. They are VERY different in population and culture (more different than the differences between Yorkshire and East Anglia-I'd wager.

[Robbk]

George Clinton's Parliaments recorded two 45s during the late Doo Wop era. One was "Poor Willie" on APT Records from 1958. The second was on a small New York label, Flipp Records (100) "Lonely Island"/"You Make Me Wanna Cry", and was a Doo Wop ballad, recorded and released in 1959.

Edited February 9, 2013 by RobbK

[Robbk]

Here's a link to "Lonely Island":

Here's the label scan:

Edited February 9, 2013 by RobbK

[Robbk]

Here's a link to both APT sides:

[Dave Thorley]

Cabell was in WEST Virginia (US Midwest). Virginia is in USA-South. They are VERY different in population and culture (more different than the differences between Yorkshire and East Anglia-I'd wager.

Sorry about that Robb, yes you are right, big difference between the two states. The Detroit Parliaments, as they are know, were originally from Plainfields, New Jersey. Where I guess they cut their Doo Wop sides. Sammy Cambell of the Del Larks, says he remembers coming across them locally way back when.

Isaac of the West Virginia group tells a story about the name clash. He says that they went to court over the name and a judge found in their favour, prompting the Clinton group to change to Funkadelic. But I've never had a chance to ask anyone in the other group to confirm that.

Edited February 9, 2013 by Dave Thorley

[Rupert]

Cheers guys, I will hunt them down in the coming months. And maybe eventually I will have every thing by the parliaments although Heat Trouble and Rainy Day especially, are well out of my price range...

i have 2 or 3 ric tic ones for sale if your interested. i'll dig them out let you know what i have,

[Dave Thorley]

The West Virginia Parliaments had four releases to my knowledge.............

Your cute/I'll get you yet Symbol 917

I found out/She loves me only-Unpredictable 691M-9745

Cry no more/Sweet nothin Cabell 112

This is my rainy day/Getting ready for summer Cabell 115

The Symbol release came from a session they did with Juggy Murray in New York, which Issac said had other material, that was not released. Although the group lived in Huntingdon, West Virginia, all their other material was recorded in Lexington, Kentucky. They would travel there regularly to perform at 'Frat Parties' at the collages. It was on one of these visits that a local studio owner invited them along to do some recording sessions, from this came the Unpredictable and later the Cabell recordings.

[Rob Moss]

There was an album planned for the Parliaments that never materialized. I've got the track listing somewhere. Mainly songs that came out on singles but a couple of unissued and their take on 'Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band' Will post when I find it!

[Dave Pinch]

the cabell outfit have at least one other 45 on that label, not bad from memory

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i have 2 or 3 ric tic ones for sale if your interested. i'll dig them out let you know what i have,

On Ric-Tic? Think you mean Revilot mate

Cheers

Richard

[Prophonics 2029]

Are GC Parliaments all harder on the demo ???

[Northernjordan]

On Ric-Tic? Think you mean Revilot mate

Cheers

Richard

It had me thinking!

IF you want to PM, I cany buy no more this month though... Just picked up another couple of wants

[Rupert]

It had me thinking!

IF you want to PM, I cany buy no more this month though... Just picked up another couple of wants

just testing, lol.

will pm you when i get them found.

[Robbk]

Sorry about that Robb, yes you are right, big difference between the two states. The Detroit Parliaments, as they are know, were originally from Plainfields, New Jersey. Where I guess they cut their Doo Wop sides. Sammy Cambell of the Del Larks, says he remembers coming across them locally way back when.

Isaac of the West Virginia group tells a story about the name clash. HE says that they went to court over the name and a judge found in THEIR favour, prompting the Clinton group to change to Funkadelic. But I've never had a chance to ask anyone in the other group to confirm that.

I find Issac's story very disconcerting, if true, as I am pretty sure that George Clinton's group, started in early 1958, were using that name first. When did the West Virginia group start?

[Prophonics 2029]

I thought it was something too with dropping the 'S' and Bootsy Collins was The Funkadelic side.

Edited February 10, 2013 by Prophonics 2029

[Dave Thorley]

I find Issac's story very disconcerting, if true, as I am pretty sure that George Clinton's group, started in early 1958, were using that name first. When did the West Virginia group start?

I would guest looking at the guys and listening to their stories about the same time or just a little later. But you know how these stories mutate with the passage of time, plus machismo, so you end up with a version of the truth. Also without speaking to George and co, it's hard to put the other side of the story together. Something must have happened at some stage for them to change their name, Contract problems with Westbound, the court thing, change of musical direction, who knows....

[Northernjordan]

I assumed the main reason for the change is that they changed their style and the name change gave them a new lease of life? With them plodding along for 10 years or so with no smash hit, a name change would have helped there image I guess.

[Chalky]

I assumed the main reason for the change is that they changed their style and the name change gave them a new lease of life? With them plodding along for 10 years or so with no smash hit, a name change would have helped there image I guess.

GC lost the rights to the group name when they left Revilot.

[Guest Dave Turner]

Paliaments on Cabell were a 7 piecs band from Huntingdon, Virginia (as Karl said), they included brothers Isaac & Rail and one Little Archie, who also recorded on Dial. He now lives in Nashville and wrote this is 'My rainy day'. There was 45 that came out a year or so ago that claimed to be legal re-issues, but Little Archie was never contacted or paid for the re-issue and he holds the only legal rights to the song. It was claimed at the time that Archie was dead, but he is alive and well and very pissed off. Little Archie also sang lead on 'My rainy day'

Dave, although you state that it was claimed Little Archie was dead but is in fact alive and well it does seem to be documented that he died March 19th 2011 in Nashvile at the Vanderbilt University Medical Center from Diabetes and Vascular Disease.

Refs

https://goarchie.com/index.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Archie_(singer)

https://blogs.tennessean.com/tunein/2011/03/21/news-sources-reporting-nashville-reggae-and-blues-musician-aashid-himons-dies-at-68/

Confused

[Simon T]

I find Issac's story very disconcerting, if true, as I am pretty sure that George Clinton's group, started in early 1958, were using that name first. When did the West Virginia group start?

1960

[Olliewtf]

Great band. If your after look at what i almost missed you can have mine if you ever travel down to london. I prefer pat lewis but both are great plus she sang backing on their version i believe..

[Northernjordan]

Great band. If your after look at what i almost missed you can have mine if you ever travel down to london. I prefer pat lewis but both are great plus she sang backing on their version i believe..

Cheers, for the offer. However, i never go to london as i'm from way oop north!

I recognise your user name from my scooter fourm?

[Dave Thorley]

Dave, although you state that it was claimed Little Archie was dead but is in fact alive and well it does seem to be documented that he died March 19th 2011 in Nashvile at the Vanderbilt University Medical Center from Diabetes and Vascular Disease.

Refs

https://goarchie.com/index.html

https://en.wikipedia...._Archie_(singer)

https://blogs.tenness...ons-dies-at-68/

Confused

At the time the whole thing went down he was alive and contacted Andy Rix, pissed off. He may well have now passed, but that doesn't change the fact that he and his family own the rights.

[Guest peterjones]

Paliaments on Cabell were a 7 piecs band from Huntingdon, Virginia (as Karl said), they included brothers Isaac & Rail and one Little Archie, who also recorded on Dial. He now lives in Nashville and wrote this is 'My rainy day'. There was 45 that came out a year or so ago that claimed to be legal re-issues, but Little Archie was never contacted or paid for the re-issue and he holds the only legal rights to the song. It was claimed at the time that Archie was dead, but he is alive and well and very pissed off. Little Archie also sang lead on 'My rainy day'

Other Members were of The West Virgina Band (some at differant times)

William Banks (issacs Brother)

James Hardy

Larry Daniels

Jimmy Keath

Bruce Franks - drummer

david Lee Baily guitar

Prince Albert Richardson Bass

[Guest Dave Turner]

At the time the whole thing went down he was alive and contacted Andy Rix, pissed off. He may well have now passed, but that doesn't change the fact that he and his family own the rights.

Not saying it does change the fact Dave, just correcting your statement that he's still alive that's all

[Guest peterjones]

Not saying it does change the fact Dave, just correcting your statement that he's still alive that's all

The 45 in question was licenced from Isaac Banks, Group Founder of the Parliaments in August 2011 and released in September 2011, some 5 months after Archie Patrick Himons had passed away. Perhaps he spoke to Andy Rix Via a medium?

[Dave Thorley]

The 45 in question was licenced from Isaac Banks, Group Founder of the Parliaments in August 2011 and released in September 2011, some 5 months after Archie Patrick Himons had passed away. Perhaps he spoke to Andy Rix Via a medium?

Let me start by saying that if I have given wrong information or incorrect facts to the readers of this thread I apologise.

The fact still remains that the rights to 'Rainy day' sat with Little Archie, through McGlynn Music and is still registered as such to this day at BMI.

MC GLYNN MUSIC

CAE/IPI #: 18918172 Contact: MC GLYNN MUSIC

2519 RTH AVE BOX 5375

HUNTINGTON, WV 25703

When Archie died, the rights to the song didn't transfer to Isaac or any other member of the group. They would have been part of his estate and as such for his family to act upon. I feel sorry for Isaac and many other artists that see their recordings gain popular appear many years later, but they receive nothing from this success, due to them not owning the rights. Little Archie or his estate owned the rights and so it doesn't matter how much money you gave Isaac, he was not in a position to authorize it's re-release.

Now if you where then to say that you could not find him or his family, his wife can still be found in the U.S. Green Pages under Archie's Name, today.

If you wanted to license something from Isaac you could have put out their other great song 'Cry no more', which Isaac was the writer on. Lastly seeing your pressing of 'Rainy day' I find it odd that you chose to copy all the info from the first release, except the song writers name. Which for some reason or another best know to you, you have changed from Archie Hymon, to Angelina ???

I have no intention to contact his family, I'm not here trying to pick a fight. Just to say that when these things are done they need to be done correctly, as many companies. like Kent & Numero do every day of the week. If you were contacted by Archie's family, legally I think you'd find your on a sticky wicket.

Edited February 12, 2013 by Dave Thorley

[Robbk]

1960

GC's ParIliaments started in 1958. So, clearly, no court would award the name rights to the LATER West Virginia group. If

Clinton lost the rights to The name "The Parliaments" to Revilot Records (LeBaron Taylor?), then, he must have sold them off, or somehow broken his contract. What happened, exactly?

[Dave Thorley]

GC's ParIliaments started in 1958. So, clearly, no court would award the name rights to the LATER West Virginia group. If

Clinton lost the rights to The name "The Parliaments" to Revilot Records (LeBaron Taylor?), then, he must have sold them off, or somehow broken his contract. What happened, exactly?

Looks like that one will stay a mystery until someone speaks to some one in the group that knows, Robb

[Guest peterjones]

Let me start by saying that if I have given wrong information or incorrect facts to the readers of this thread I apologise.

The fact still remains that the rights to 'Rainy day' sat with Little Archie, through McGlynn Music and is still registered as such to this day at BMI.

MC GLYNN MUSIC

CAE/IPI #: 18918172 Contact: MC GLYNN MUSIC

2519 RTH AVE BOX 5375

HUNTINGTON, WV 25703

When Archie died, the rights to the song didn't transfer to Isaac or any other member of the group. They would have been part of his estate and as such for his family to act upon. I feel sorry for Isaac and many other artists that see their recordings gain popular appear many years later, but they receive nothing from this success, due to them not owning the rights. Little Archie or his estate owned the rights and so it doesn't matter how much money you gave Isaac, he was not in a position to authorize it's re-release.

Now if you where then to say that you could not find him or his family, his wife can still be found in the U.S. Green Pages under Archie's Name, today.

If you wanted to license something from Isaac you could have put out their other great song 'Cry no more', which Isaac was the writer on. Lastly seeing your pressing of 'Rainy day' I find it odd that you chose to copy all the info from the first release, except the song writers name. Which for some reason or another best know to you, you have changed from Archie Hymon, to Angelina ???

I have no intention to contact his family, I'm not here trying to pick a fight. Just to say that when these things are done they need to be done correctly, as many companies. like Kent & Numero do every day of the week. If you were contacted by Archie's family, legally I think you'd find your on a sticky wicket.

Hi Dave

I Didn't give Isaac Banks any money as it was not my record, I asked the person who released the record if it was legal and I was sent a copy of a signed agreement dated August 2011.

[Dave Thorley]

Hi Dave

I Didn't give Isaac Banks any money as it was not my record, I asked the person who released the record if it was legal and I was sent a copy of a signed agreement dated August 2011.

OK I understand. But any agreement signed by Isaac Banks to release the record is worthless, for all the reasons I stated before. Unless the agreement was between a representative of the publishing company or Little Archie's family, then I'm afraid it's not a legal re-issue.

[Andy Rix]

At the time the whole thing went down he was alive and contacted Andy Rix, pissed off. He may well have now passed, but that doesn't change the fact that he and his family own the rights.

Dave

I did speak to Archie Himons a few times before he died and also Archie Page ... it was the latter that contacted me when the record was 'reissued' .....

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From: RPageXXXX

To: andyrix

Sent: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 14:38

Subject: Re: Contact details

I see you are selling our record on e-bay where is the money?Archie

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I told him he needed to speak to the Banks brothers about it

Andy

[Pete S]

Can any of you tell me about a track called That Was My Girl by The Parliaments, I put it on a podcast this week having never even heard it previously, very much in the vein of I Can Feel The Ice Melting and truly superb.

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Flip side of "Heart Trouble" Pete on Golden World

Cheers

Richard

Edited February 16, 2013 by Premium Stuff