Rarest Ric-Tic Of Them All What`s It Worth

[Chalky]

Tell me about it...wouldn't mind a demo #123...would be nice to add it to these in the picture

I know when I was collecting certain labels I often found what was the supposed toughest first and the easiest last Guess most have a similar story.

[kevinsoulman]

what about the freddie gorman take me back have not seen many for sale

kev

[Premium Stuff]

Single sided Scott's on Swingers (with the blank side) is pretty rare I would say.

Cheers

Richard

[Dave Fleming]

You beat me to it Richard,i found this and Rose Batiste 105 as one of the harder ones to find at the time,i wonder how many full sets there are with just the people on here

Edwin Starr one sided promo..

Dave f........

[Premium Stuff]

You beat me to it Richard,i found this and Rose Batiste 105 as one of the harder ones to find at the time,i wonder how many full sets there are with just the people on here

Edwin Starr one sided promo..

Dave f........

Dave - I meant the 'Scott's On Swingers' single sided mate - not 'Agent 00-Soul' - there's a single and double sided version of 'Scott's On Swingers'.

Mind you, the 'Agent 00-Soul' is pretty rare too

Cheers

Richard

Edited February 2, 2013 by Premium Stuff

[georgeblackwell]

Sold my Red Issue of RT 116 - San Remo Golden Strings for £190 - I guess that becomes the bench mark.

Frosty

[Dave Pinch]

saw a fantastic four CSLFMB demo in a sales box last night £250 mind

[davidwapples]

i wish they would do a box set of this label , i have then all on a dodgy cdr set that sound good but would love to hear them all remastered etc

have 31 so far on the original vinyl tho

[Tony Smith]

what about the freddie gorman take me back have not seen many for sale

kev

Not that hard really, 2 different label designs too.

[Pete S]

Not that hard really, 2 different label designs too.

Yes that was another one around in huge quantities, the pale blue one with the very basic design.

[Premium Stuff]

Yes that was another one around in huge quantities, the pale blue one with the very basic design.

Think he means demos Pete - but even those on both labels designs are fairly easily picked up.

Cheers

Richard

[Guest]

Always wondered who changed label designs first,from single colour to multicolour.was it Ric Tic or Revilot?Whilst mentioning Revilot, The Parliaments-Don't be sore at me-is considerably harder to obtain than the store stock copy. Chris.

[Dave Fleming]

Dave - I meant the 'Scott's On Swingers' single sided mate - not 'Agent 00-Soul' - there's a single and double sided version of 'Scott's On Swingers'.

Mind you, the 'Agent 00-Soul' is pretty rare too

Cheers

Richard

Yes Richard i know you did mate as i saw your post,i meant you beat me to it as i was going to say about the SOS 45,a good call though

Dave f..

[Dave Fleming]

Always wondered who changed label designs first,from single colour to multicolour.was it Ric Tic or Revilot?Whilst mentioning Revilot, The Parliaments-Don't be sore at me-is considerably harder to obtain than the store stock copy. Chris.

Here`s my copy of The Parliaments RV211 Promo....

Dave f......

[Guest]

Nice one Dave,got the same myself.Paid quite a lot for it several years ago. Chris.

[Dave Moore]

As I'd imagine most on this thread are aware: Edwin Starr RT120 PROMO sold for $327 last night on Ebay. Bit more than I'd like to pay as it was only VG+ and had tape residue on one side. I'd wager someones reasonably happy though. Definitely much harder than the stocker. The god thing is that's another collector 'out of the mix' now so once everybody has one....I'll get it for peanuts!

Reference The Parliaments Revilot promo, I had a good result on those just before Christmas. I got three all bundled together. All gone now.

Regards,

Dave

[Ted Massey]

Looks like i got a barain of Brian Proust

[Ian Seaman]

i picked a mint demo of Rose B off ebay a few years back, nobody bid on it but me at $79.99 ! sold it a few weeks later to a dealer for £300 then a while later i got a beat up issue which is all i wanted to play out off Pete S for £40 i think ?

Would have thought Scots on swingers single sided wdj hardest by a country mile but as Chalky says it's always the one your missing !!

Ian.

[David Meikle]

This was gifted to me in Detroit. I am adding it to the thread as there isn’t one on show. Sadly it’s battered and bruised but this song means a lot to me. One of the best ever played on the scene IMO.

Edited July 8, 2019 by David Meikle

[David Meikle]

Getting back to the San Remo disc, John Rhys told me that Ed and JoAnne named the musicians as such after a visit to the San Remo Music Festival in Northern Italy...hence the Italian named flip... “Quinto Sei Bella” ie ”How Beautiful You Are”.

Arranged by Mike Terry and Bert Keyes.

Edited July 8, 2019 by David Meikle
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[Wheelsville1]

11 hours ago, David Meikle said:

Getting back to the San Remo disc, John Rhys told me that Ed and JoAnne named the musicians as such after a visit to the San Remo Music Festival in Northern Italy...hence the Italian named flip... “Quinto Sei Bella” ie ”How Beautiful You Are”.

Arranged by Mike Terry and Bert Keyes.

San Remo is my favourite place in the world ,my partner and I go there every year in March to watch the Milan -San Remo cycle race.It is a beautiful place,100 percent italian and untouched by time.I have also been to the music festival which is held in February every year,it is the oldest music festival in Italy.Chris. 

[Ric-tic]

‘‘This has to be up there, Ric-tic 129 Flaming Embers/wingate Strings took me years to find one

[Blackpoolsoul]

1 hour ago, Ric-tic said:

‘‘This has to be up there, Ric-tic 129 Flaming Embers/wingate Strings took me years to find one

Useful link with a little better images

 

[45cellar]

49 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

Useful link with a little better images

 

Took me ages to find the DEMO for RT-129 RT-131 & RT-132 for LET'S HAVE A LOVE-IN.

RT-129 being the hardest of the three. (One did go through ebay a few months ago)

I managed to get RT-106 J J BARNES DEMO & RT-123 AL KENT DEMO from SOUL BOWL way back in the 70's

Not seen many about since.

[45cellar]

There are a few RIC-TIC DEMO's that are quite hard to find.

I have still to see a copy of RT-142 - LITTLE ANN as a DEMO.

 

[45cellar]

The single side copies of SCOTT'S ON SWINGERS were part of a Radio Station Competition with only 50 Copies apparently.

[Guest]

12 years late Roger but I did check out Malc`s copy and just for the record (See what I did there ) it`s single sided.

[45cellar]

Thanks Steve.

With only 50 copies and sent to various competition winners it must be so nice to secure a copy.

Sadly there can't be many about in 2020. Definitely a rare one.

[Guest]

Popsike has about 20 listed so I would think the 50 copies is a genuine number.

[Benji]

Seriously, I don't buy into that 50 copies story. It doesn't make sense, from an economical point of view. Maybe they handed out 50 copies during the competition. But they must have pressed more. 50 copies or say 200/300 copies, same price at the pressing plant. I'd guess they had more copies made, handed out 50 for the competition and put the rest into the storage.

Just guesswork, but if there were only 50 copies made, and almost 50% of them went through Ebay? Highly unlikely. In my opinion.

Edited February 7, 2020 by Benji

[Gilly]

7 hours ago, Benji said:

Seriously, I don't buy into that 50 copies story. It doesn't make sense, from an economical point of view. Maybe they handed out 50 copies during the competition. But they must have pressed more. 50 copies or say 200/300 copies, same price at the pressing plant. I'd guess they had more copies made, handed out 50 for the competition and put the rest into the storage.

Just guesswork, but if there were only 50 copies made, and almost 50% of them went through Ebay? Highly unlikely. In my opinion.

I'm not saying your right or wrong as I don't know the answer to your post but to give some balance but on visiting Gino Washington's house in 85 I got a "Rat Race" (different vocal to "Like my Baby")  on Mala. Hand written 45 and only 5 ever made (he has since re-issued it on his Washpan label) Dave Thorley first played at Stafford, I got the second copy, a band member had one. Don't have mine anymore but I know Butch has a copy. 

     Your right it doesn't make sense to only have 5 or 50 pressed up, I was always told 300-500 would give you a break price.

[Kegsy]

30 minutes ago, Gilly said:

Your right it doesn't make sense to only have 5 or 50 pressed up, I was always told 300-500 would give you a break price.

Perhaps they pressed the first 50 single sided, to make them a bit more special for the competition, then pressed the remaining say 250 as double sided. Any clues in the matrix ?.

[Tony Smith]

35 minutes ago, Gilly said:

I'm not saying your right or wrong as I don't know the answer to your post but to give some balance but on visiting Gino Washington's house in 85 I got a "Rat Race" (different vocal to "Like my Baby")  on Mala. Hand written 45 and only 5 ever made (he has since re-issued it on his Washpan label) Dave Thorley first played at Stafford, I got the second copy, a band member had one. Don't have mine anymore but I know Butch has a copy. 

     Your right it doesn't make sense to only have 5 or 50 pressed up, I was always told 300-500 would give you a break price.

Morning mate,

A test press is exactly that, you would only pay for a specified amount be it 5 or 50, the plant would prob press more as part of the set-up. It's a completely different animal to demo copies which would be made as part of the pressing run. 

Edited February 7, 2020 by Tony Smith

[45cellar]

46 minutes ago, Kegsy said:

Perhaps they pressed the first 50 single sided, to make them a bit more special for the competition, then pressed the remaining say 250 as double sided. Any clues in the matrix ?.

Single Sided copies are STAMPED ZTSC 

Double A Sided are scratched ZTSC

[Rick Cooper]

I was told a story by the late Terry (Francis) Thomas about Scott's on Swingers. Anyone who knew him will know that Terry would always try to speak to the artist at a show and get something signed, usually a sleeve or a photocopy of the single. When Edwin Starr was touring in the late 70s following his disco hits ,Contact and Happy Radio Terry took along his Scott's on Swingers and showed it to Edwin. He was amazed to see the record and demanded to know how and where he had got the single as no one was supposed to be able to buy or sell the disc. It was the first copy Edwin had seen since it was made and he wanted Terry to sell it to him, no chance.

 

My recollection of the record is that it started as a rumour amongst collectors around 73 or 74. I originally thought it was the product of an over stimulated imagination or another wind up like the infamous 6x6 vocal and The Spy vocal, courtesy of Dave McCadden . Fairly soon after that it turned up and I got a copy from somewhere as someone must have located a decent quantity, I'd think around 50 -75 . They were double sided and all unplayed. I don't know who found them, John Anderson or Martin Koppel would be the most likely but I have a feeling it might have been Neil Rushton. Neil was getting some very nice rare stuff , he had quite a few Bari Track around this time . Maybe @Neil Rushton could confirm or deny this. As it wasn't a "must have" for DJs the price wasn't a lot and I don't think it went up in value for decades. I sold one in 76 and don't remember a big price i.e. over £10.

Rick

[Bo Diddley]

I bought a Scotts on Swingers from Max Millward's shop in 1979 (18th May as I noted on the sleeve!!). Max was selling them for £3. He thought it was a bootleg at the time, presumably as he had a few, but I was happy to pay the extra £1.75 as I just wanted one! I've always been a bit doubtful about it

 

Edited February 7, 2020 by Bo Diddley