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[Guest jkw]

Can anyone help me out with various label variations and mixes of Call Me/I'm gonna love you, and current values of all the different ones?

cheers

John

[Guest trickbag]

$77.00 $33.00

$160.00

ricky.

[boba]

green label carrie is an early 80s legit reissue. Orange label is the original has a different catalog number (6502). original is around $300-$350 m-.

[Guest]

Personally, I prefer the version/mix on Mary Jane...@£75 to £100 on the red/white checkered design label.

[Rich B]

green label carrie is an early 80s legit reissue. Orange label is the original has a different catalog number (6502). original is around $300-$350 m-.

Not one to stick my head above the parapet but I bought a green label copy (as per the scan) from Selectadisc in Nottingham in early 1975 for £1.50 - is there a later green reissue?

[boba]

Not one to stick my head above the parapet but I bought a green label copy (as per the scan) from Selectadisc in Nottingham in early 1975 for £1.50 - is there a later green reissue?

sorry, it might be a 70s issue, I thought it was 80s because the label did a bunch of new presses in the 80s. It was done at the same time of the reissue of the Combinations "Voo Doo" which was done for the doowop market. It's definitely not 60s though and the orange press is 60s.

[Rich B]

It sounds like the label owners got wise, as it were. Love the record though, and I had all the variations over the years. I seem to recall the orange copy that I had (from Soul Bowl) had a typed sticker attached adding the name of a group - though I can't recall if it was the Arabians or something else.

[boba]

It sounds like the label owners got wise, as it were. Love the record though, and I had all the variations over the years. I seem to recall the orange copy that I had (from Soul Bowl) had a typed sticker attached adding the name of a group - though I can't recall if it was the Arabians or something else.

"the fifes". they are a different group than the arabians and are credited on the jameco copy pictured above.

[Rich B]

"the fifes". they are a different group than the arabians and are credited on the jameco copy pictured above.

Thanks Bob - my memory for that kind of detail isn't nearly as good as it used to be...

[boba]

I've actually never seen a jameco copy with the fifes sticker, would love to see it. Can someone post a pic/scan?

[Rich B]

I've actually never seen a jameco copy with the fifes sticker, would love to see it. Can someone post a pic/scan?

I hope I'm not confusing the issue here, but to clarify, the copy I had with the sticker was an Orange Carrie copy. Which I think is the hardest to find of the bunch. Given the number of labels it appeared on, was it a hit or did they just believe in the tune and keep pushing it?

[boba]

I hope I'm not confusing the issue here, but to clarify, the copy I had with the sticker was an Orange Carrie copy. Which I think is the hardest to find of the bunch. Given the number of labels it appeared on, was it a hit or did they just believe in the tune and keep pushing it?

yeah, I understood it was the orange label copy. Definitely is rare and not a hit. It was pressed on the orange label and I assume picked up nationally on Jameco. The 70s green press was for the collectors market.

[Robbk]

yeah, I understood it was the orange label copy. Definitely is rare and not a hit. It was pressed on the orange label and I assume picked up nationally on Jameco. The 70s green press was for the collectors market.

No, The Jameco was NOT a pickup for national distribution. It was a re-release well after the Carrie version's original run. The green Carries were issued in the early '70s (1973 or 1974?). There was some argument over who owned the rights to release it between James Hendrix and Lou Beatty, when they had a falling out. Lou Beatty wanted to make more money off of his supposed rights to those songs. Hendrix had considered their agreement cancelled or finished. Edward Hamilton got together a new group to record those songs again (The Fifes), after the original Arabians had split away from him. Beatty leased the recordings to a New York financier (who released them on Jameco). I believe that all this is covered in detail in the James Hendrix "Webisode" on "Soulful Detroit.com Website" or in a UK Detroit Soul fanzine from the 1970s or early '80s. I know that I've read that in more than one reliable source.

Edited January 26, 2013 by RobbK

[Robbk]

James Hendrix re-issued them on Green Carrie in the early '70s to try to make some additional money on them. Those songs probably had a trickle of sales all through the period from their initial release on orange Carrie (1965) through the Mary Jane (1966) and Jameco (1969?) and green Carrie 1972-74(?).

[boba]

No, The Jameco was NOT a pickup for national distribution. It was a re-release well after the Carrie version's original run. The green Carries were issued in the early '70s (1973 or 1974?). There was some argument over who owned the rights to release it between James Hendrix and Lou Beatty, when they had a falling out. Lou Beatty wanted to make more money off of his supposed rights to those songs. Hendrix had considered their agreement cancelled or finished. Edward Hamilton got together a new group to record those songs again (The Fifes), after the original Arabians had split away from him. Beatty leased the recordings to a New York financier (who released them on Jameco). I believe that all this is covered in detail in the James Hendrix "Webisode" on "Soulful Detroit.com Website" or in a UK Detroit Soul fanzine from the 1970s or early '80s. I know that I've read that in more than one reliable source.

I don't understand the specific thing about the fifes. The Jameco record is the same recording, right? But you are saying that he organized the Fifes after the Carrie record was released? So neither record is actually "the fifes"? I know the fifes were a different group, I have a lineup written down (possibly from that "webisode").

[Robbk]

I don't understand the specific thing about the fifes. The Jameco record is the same recording, right? But you are saying that he organized the Fifes after the Carrie record was released? So neither record is actually "the fifes"? I know the fifes were a different group, I have a lineup written down (possibly from that "webisode").

I thought I remember that the Jameco release has different recordings from the Carrie. Beatty was the one who leased the cuts to Jameco. I have all those records. But, currently I'm not with them. Not that it would matter, as I don't currently have a useable cartridge and stylus.

Yes, I believe the James Hendrix or whatever Webisode on Soulful Detroit has the story, or the Soulful Detroit thread which discussed it, or the UK fanzine in which I read the story, laid all that out, clearly (versions of the cuts, and who released which on which labels, and the rough dating of the releases).

Edited January 27, 2013 by RobbK

[Robbk]

I've listened to the Jameco and orange Carrie cuts again, and they sound very different on BOTH cuts. As I stated above, I remember the Jameco records coming out a LOT later (1967? 1969?) than the orange Carries (1965). The Mary Jane "I'm Gonna love you" was released in 1966. I don't think that Lou Beatty was a partner with James Hendrix in 1965, when the orange Carrie record was released. The green Carrie, (pressed up again by James Hendrix) came out in 1973 or 1974 (probably due to NS demand). I seem to remember reading that Edward Hamilton formed The Fifes after his first Arabians group left him in a dispute (I think it was that they didn't like him getting his name listed separately). It was The Fifes singing with him on the cuts released on Jameco. I'm not sure if they were the same group as with him in 1965 on the orange Carrie, and just listed as Arabians (his new Arabians group). But, as the Jameco cuts sound different, I assume they were re-recorded with Lou Beatty either re-recording them, or using alternate takes to which he had access, due to his partnership with James Hendrix. Maybe he never gave them back, and that was a point of contention from Hendrix's point of view. In any case, it seems that it was Beatty, not Hendrix, who leased the cuts to Jameco (as noted on the labels).