Sounds That Die When A Club Goes Under

[MrsWoodsrules]

Might have been more Russ than Richard mate, not certain cos I only ever heard it Birmingham Locarno having stopped going to Wigan by that time

It's poppy enough to be a Russ Spin, but pretty sure Richard plugged it (originally at least) Pete.

Aid.

[The Tempest]

Teddy Vann Orchestra - Theme From The Colouredman (Capitol).

Fluffy Falana - My Little Cottage (Alpha)."‹

Still contained within the rubble and dust of a red bricked building in Lancashire. Be that good or bad for some members, but like most threads I'll be wrong.

An early spin for Colin Law during the mid eighties after it's outing at the Casino in the late seventies , I still love it

[Pete S]

An early spin for Colin Law during the mid eighties after it's outing at the Casino in the late seventies , I still love it

Whats not to like about this apart from the artists name? Used to be played as Robert L Martin "Come and go with me"...great stuff

[Dave Thorley]

Alot of the aformentioned Wheel tunes got plays when Dave Evison took over in the main room from Martin Ellis at Wigan. 'Kick That Little Foot Sally Ann, Scratchy, Polk Salad Annie, the list goes on.............

Edited January 22, 2013 by Dave Thorley

[Guest gordon russell]

Whats not to like about this apart from the artists name? Used to be played as Robert L Martin "Come and go with me"...great stuff

Pete.....you really are having a laugh lol .......it,s been so long since you,ve been out there are places out there playing fantastic vibrant music old and new.......and there are places playing this kind of old tosh.......next you,ll be saying you like the enchantments "i,m in love with ya daughter, there are places playing that as well...l kid you not :lol:

Edited January 22, 2013 by gordon russell

[boba]

I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but i think johnny mae matthews kids were in black nasty

[Dave Thorley]

I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but i think johnny mae matthews kids were in black nasty

I thought you'd already mentioned that

[Pete S]

Pete.....you really are having a laugh lol .......it,s been so long since you,ve been out there are places out there playing fantastic vibrant music old and new.......and there are places playing this kind of old tosh.......next you,ll be saying you like the enchantments "i,m in love with ya daughter, there are places playing that as well...l kid you not :lol:

Never liked Enchantments much but this is a good oldie, stayed rare so not that many people play it surely?

[Funky 4 Corners]

Joe 90? That used to get a lot of plays at Bogarts, didn't it Keith? :-)

Hi Russell, I've got to admit that it was but I think it was Jo who soiled the hallowed decks with it.

Edited January 22, 2013 by Keith Rylatt

[Funky 4 Corners]

Also :

Mood Mosaic - A touch of velvet a sting of brass

Elvis - Rubberneckin'

Alan Bown set - Gonna fix you good

Al TNT Braggs - Earthquake

Band of Angels - Invitation

Hi Ritchie, those two Blendells tracks might as well be thrown in too, `La La La La La` and `Dance with Me`. By the way, word is breaking out in the orchards of Kent that Jerry O is back living in Llandudno under an alias????

[Roburt]

An early spin for Colin Law during the mid eighties after it's outing at the Casino in the late seventies , I still love it

Fluffy was the sibling of exotic dancer / singer / actress Lola Falana (their father was Cuban by birth). Lola was cutting records from the mid 60's and in the 70's was married to Butch Tavares (of the Chubby & the Turnpikes + some other nondescript group).

The Alpha label (& Don-El Records) was owned by Philly real estate guy Donald White.

Edited January 24, 2013 by Roburt

[Roburt]

Getting a bit off track now, but Lola Falana spent some time in Italy in the mid to late 60's.

Here she learnt to speak the local lingo & appeared in films.

She also appeared on Italian TV dancing & singing ............... here she duets with a 'known' guy ...........

[Guest Gogs]

I like The Present and Rain...

Hi pete, the thing is if everybody liked everything there would be no space on the dance floor.

[Ritchieandrew]

Hi Ritchie, those two Blendells tracks might as well be thrown in too, `La La La La La` and `Dance with Me`. By the way, word is breaking out in the orchards of Kent that Jerry O is back living in Llandudno under an alias????

Keith.................thanks for the tip off.! I'll alert the media & inform the staff @JD Wetherspoon in case he breaks cover.!!.

[spot]

I like The Poppies, used to sound great blasted out loud

I like The Present and Rain...

See Pete it's all subjective & I also liked all those tunes, specially to dance my little socks off to, seems people are scared of being ridiculed by playing some tunes considered passe and uncool or not Soulful enough, I just remember them as my youth.

Spot.

p.s. That Lola Falana was some fox & Rocky was Mr Cool with a capital C.

[Pete S]

See Pete it's all subjective & I also liked all those tunes, specially to dance my little socks off to, seems people are scared of being ridiculed by playing some tunes considered passe and uncool or not Soulful enough, I just remember them as my youth.

Spot.

That is exactly the point, all of these records that people disregard with utter contempt nowadays were part of our introduction to the scene back in the days when it was more about dancing than matrix numbers. I'm not going to sit here and say yeah The Present, The Poppies, Rain, I used to like them but now I've seen the error of my ways and I know I'm not supposed to like them now so I'll say they're rubbish. Sod that, I like what I like and if that makes me any lesser person than someone who likes rubbish like Dolly Gilmore than so be it.

[Linky]

Always hear Tangeers 'Let My Heart & Soul Be Free' but I've never heard the flip 'What's The Use...' played out since Wigan.

[Benji]

Fluffy was the brother sister of exotic dancer / singer / actress Lola Falana (their father was Cuban by birth).

[Tezza]

The Poppies invokes fond memories of Samantha's back in the mid 70's - Happy days. Love it.

Played it (on the White Epic Demo) one night and someone told me they had the original, on a Red Columbia Special !! And all these years I thought mine was a first issue !!!

My wife loves Parmesan, I hate Cheese - If we all like the same stuff it would be a boring life. No one on Soul Source would be able to tell me where I am going wrong, as they do, frequently.

[Amsterdam Russ]

Not sure I totally understand this thread. I've heard most of the records mentioned played at one club or another over the years and I didn't get into the scene till after Wigan closed, so around 81. Guess I must be missing the point.

Edited January 23, 2013 by Russell Gilbert

[Back Street Blue]

That is exactly the point, all of these records that people disregard with utter contempt nowadays were part of our introduction to the scene back in the days when it was more about dancing than matrix numbers. I'm not going to sit here and say yeah The Present, The Poppies, Rain, I used to like them but now I've seen the error of my ways and I know I'm not supposed to like them now so I'll say they're rubbish. Sod that, I like what I like and if that makes me any lesser person than someone who likes rubbish like Dolly Gilmore than so be it.

I'll drink to that

[Guest Brooky]

That is exactly the point, all of these records that people disregard with utter contempt nowadays were part of our introduction to the scene back in the days when it was more about dancing than matrix numbers. I'm not going to sit here and say yeah The Present, The Poppies, Rain, I used to like them but now I've seen the error of my ways and I know I'm not supposed to like them now so I'll say they're rubbish. Sod that, I like what I like and if that makes me any lesser person than someone who likes rubbish like Dolly Gilmore than so be it.

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Seems to me that changes in attitudes are based more on 'fashion' than true feeling, like or dislike for a tune. As we know 'fashion' is liking what everybody else is telling you that you should be liking at a given time.

Fashion has it's uses...nothing would ever change or progress without it. What I don't agree with is the apparent need to damn what has gone before as rubbish just because something else has come along. This is when 'group think' kicks in and you see that in every walk of life these days - ie safest thing to do is agree with the majority and don't voice your own opinions.

Another factor - what individual people have been doing for the past forty years. If you have been involved with Northern Soul non-stop and have been attending lots of events on a regular basis then many tunes in the Top 500 will probably have more of a propensity to switch you off. If you have come back after years away (as I did) then absolutely everything sounds fresh and new again - well it does to me. However the stuff I didn't like back then (eg 'Cool Off') I haven't suddenly decided to like now, so why should the reverse apply?

I have to agree with Pete S....it does seem to be cool to trash certain records and frankly making comments for the benefit of others is as far away from cool as you can get!!!

Of course there are records that individually we think are poor...nothing wrong with that...different tastes etc. However, that's not the same as 'bandwagon' dislike i.e. suddenly 80% of people dislike a given tune...and when that turns to denigrating anybody who does like it...well , the plot has been lost by then...only in my unfashionable opinion though!!!LOL!

PS Anyone playing Muriel Day should be shot though!!!! :lol: ....but in my own defence, I thought that in 1978 too!!!!!

Edited January 23, 2013 by Brooky

[Chas]

Anyone remember the 4 j's"love my love"from Wigan?,sounded good then but it hasn't aged well.Lots of people,myself included thought it was the O'jays.Just got it up on you tube..blimey!

[Tezza]

Brooky,

I think some of the time its a matter of falling out of love with a track. There are many that when I first heard them I thought they were terrific but now wouldn't give the time of day for. eg The Dells - Run For Cover - Sick to death of hearing it.

I am a huge Bowie fan and from the mid to late 60's relished every release made under his name. Changes, Life On Mars, Space Oddity were all life changing tunes that now, I would rather turn off the radio.

Hating something is slightly different. don't usually hate something then grow to love it. Perhaps not sure about something but it grows on you.

Don't feel its a Fashion thing, well not for me. I like what I like and don't like what I don't. Has no bearing on others or trends. The Majestic's, always fills a floor and everyone seems to love it - Bag of Shite as far as I'm concerned but hey, each to their own.

Perhaps in our Youth we were Dedicated Followers Of Fashion but as we mature we find our own place and are less likely to be influenced by outsiders.

The Outsiders - now there's a good track.

[Tezza]

Anyone remember the 4 j's"love my love"from Wigan?,sounded good then but it hasn't aged well.Lots of people,myself included thought it was the O'jays.Just got it up on you tube..blimey!

Got an Orig Demo for Sale if you want one !! Didn't travel well that one.

[Dave Pinch]

Delaney Bramlett (UK Vocalion / USA GNP Crescendo) sounds horrendous nowadays

that could be another one pete as ive never heard this record out in all my time on the scene

[Pete S]

that could be another one pete as ive never heard this record out in all my time on the scene

I think it was one of those that only lasted a month to be honest.

[Guest Brooky]

Brooky,

I think some of the time its a matter of falling out of love with a track. There are many that when I first heard them I thought they were terrific but now wouldn't give the time of day for. eg The Dells - Run For Cover - Sick to death of hearing it.

I am a huge Bowie fan and from the mid to late 60's relished every release made under his name. Changes, Life On Mars, Space Oddity were all life changing tunes that now, I would rather turn off the radio.

Hating something is slightly different. don't usually hate something then grow to love it. Perhaps not sure about something but it grows on you.

Don't feel its a Fashion thing, well not for me. I like what I like and don't like what I don't. Has no bearing on others or trends. The Majestic's, always fills a floor and everyone seems to love it - Bag of Shite as far as I'm concerned but hey, each to their own.

Perhaps in our Youth we were Dedicated Followers Of Fashion but as we mature we find our own place and are less likely to be influenced by outsiders.

The Outsiders - now there's a good track.

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Seem to be a lot of NS'ers who were/are Bowie fans. I was until 'Ziggy' was ditched for 'Young Americans'...cult thing maybe....cult/fashion...how do those two align then?

[Pete S]

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Seem to be a lot of NS'ers who were/are Bowie fans. I was until 'Ziggy' was ditched for 'Young Americans'...cult thing maybe....cult/fashion...how do those two align then?

Don't know but the topic on David Bowie and Northern Soul will possibly tell you

you're here again not reading the topics aren't you

[Barry]

Anyone remember the 4 j's"love my love"from Wigan?,sounded good then but it hasn't aged well.Lots of people,myself included thought it was the O'jays.Just got it up on you tube..blimey!

A big Wigan memory for me - loved it.

[Pete S]

Don't know but the topic on David Bowie will possibly tell you :lol:

you're here again not reading the topics aren't you

[Guest Brooky]

Don't know but the topic on David Bowie and Northern Soul will possibly tell you :lol:

you're here again not reading the topics aren't you

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Trouble is Pete...when I have a thought....I tend to think it's an original one...is there a topic on self-delusion??? :lol: ...you won't be surprised to hear that I haven't looked!!!

[Dave Moore]

Getting a bit off track now, but Lola Falana spent some time in Italy in the mid to late 60's.

Here she learnt to speak the local lingo & appeared in films.

She also appeared on Italian TV dancing & singing ............... here she duets with a 'known' guy ...........

Bit of a close run thing as to who's version of this I like better now. Levi's or Lola's!!

Anyone got a pic of Fluff?

Regards,

Dave

[Tezza]

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Seem to be a lot of NS'ers who were/are Bowie fans. I was until 'Ziggy' was ditched for 'Young Americans'...cult thing maybe....cult/fashion...how do those two align then?

Hi Mate,

Raised that very question some time back on here.

Check it out

[Guest]

Maybe some sounds simply disappear when certain DJs hang up their headphones, or a rare disc that may have been popular then gets sold to a non-DJ.

I wager there are cases out there that others may highlight - or maybe that is for a fresh thread , 'Whatever happened to that record that so and so used to play'!

[Pete S]

I'm going to do a podcast of these 'forgotten' and 'banished' records, tonight or tomorrow, you'll either love it or hate it I guess..

[Rob Wigley]

Was talking to John Vincent about "Scratchy" just a couple of weeks back !

and records "From a time" that would not get the light of day now...

Rob

[Pete S]

Was talking to John Vincent about "Scratchy" just a couple of weeks back !

and records "From a time" that would not get the light of day now...

Rob

...and what did he say?

[Pete S]

I'm going to do a podcast of these 'forgotten' and 'banished' records, tonight or tomorrow, you'll either love it or hate it I guess..

I'm going through tracks now and I've already found one that is so horrible that I can't even bear to listen to it.

Blanche Carter - Halos Are For Angels.

[Phild]

Was talking to John Vincent about "Scratchy" just a couple of weeks back !

and records "From a time" that would not get the light of day now...

Rob

Scratchy and William Powell kind of remind me of each other a bit. Dunno why, just do. Think it may be that break in the middle of Heartache Souvenirs, the meolody sounds a bit similar

[Roburt]

"Scratchy" certainly seemed to fit the bill at the Wheel back in the day (well we all danced to it & went looking for copies of the 45) ..... but it may well have been more of a Wheel record than a general big sound on the scene back then. I certainly don't recall it being played at the Mojo or the Nite Owl (though that don't mean it never was).

............ certain sounds were just linked with a particular club ......

At the Mojo, really big sounds in 66 / 67 included Stevie Wonder's "Love A GoGo", Billy Stewart's "Exodus", Brenton Wood's "Gimme A Little Sign" (though that one probably died as a mod club fave when it hit the UK 45 Pop Chart Top 10) and the Artistics "I'm Gonna Miss You".

Don't really recall any of those being played at the Owl or Wheel at all (or much at any later clubs).

[Citizen P]

...and what did he say?

Who?

John Vincent or Travis Wammack ??

One that I've not heard for Donkeys Years --Tracks To Your Mind-Sounds Of Lane....

[Andyf]

as the brother sister of exotic dancer / singer / actress Lola Falana (their father was Cuban by birth).

Thank God for that, I thought my hearing must be totally shot otherwise

Edited January 23, 2013 by AndyF

[Tezza]

Who?

John Vincent or Travis Wammack ??

One that I've not heard for Donkeys Years --Tracks To Your Mind-Sounds Of Lane....

Tracks is played quite a bit round these here parts - played it myself last Friday. Sounds good banging out full volume.

William Powell mentioned earlier in the thread - amazing track, so raw and honest. As though they got thrown in a studio and told 'you've got 15 minutes, do something special' Think they did it ??

Edited January 23, 2013 by Tezza

[Funky 4 Corners]

Not sure I totally understand this thread. I've heard most of the records mentioned played at one club or another over the years and I didn't get into the scene till after Wigan closed, so around 81. Guess I must be missing the point.

Hi Russ, my original point at the outset was to enquire about what were regular plays at various venues but then fell out of fashion when that particular club closed down. I do appreciate that there are revival nights and oldies spots etc where, if you wait around long enough, every record known will get a spin. Incidentally, in my opinion, `Scratchy` was a left over from the Roger Eagle's habit of playing quirky sounds such as Don & Dewey on Cameo Parkway. Towards the end of the Wheel, say late '69+ you had play lists that would have `Shotgun and the Duck` back to back with Slim Harpo `Baby Scratchy my Back` and nobody batted an eyelid. A lot of Willie Mitchell tracks never seemed to survive beyond that era either.

[Roburt]

A lot of Willie Mitchell tracks never seemed to survive beyond that era either.

Another really big Mojo track was Willie's US Hi 45 "Oh, Baby You Turn Me On" .......

don't think I ever heard that played in a club after the Mojo closed.

The Mojo had a very big influence on most soul clubs in the Yorkshire area. If a track was spun at a Mojo niter, it would be play listed at clubs in Dony, Gooole, Scunny & Hull within a week. Some clubs (guess the Wheel had a similar effect in Lancs) were truly all powerful with regard to their effect on their surrounding area.

[Funky 4 Corners]

Roburt, your point about regional records is good one; I never went to the Mojo but those lads from Wakefield who did would talk about records they had heard there. I now realise that the Stringfellow brothers had no qualms about committing the deadly sin of playing LP tracks such as Exodus that you mentioned, also I understand that Stevie Wonder's `Never Love a Go Go` was big. When I moved to Kent, a couple of guys who I met up with who were still into it reeled off plenty of `local` hits such as Billy Young, `Bell Bottom Blue Jeans`, Thomas East, `I Get a Groove` and Jimmy Lewis, `I'm Stepping Out`.

[Kegsy]

Rather than records dying due to there quality or lack thereof

theres a bigger reason why many of the Wheel records stopped getting played.

The closure of the Wheel coincided with the influx of millions of 45s being

brought in from the states by Bostocks,F.L.Moores etc.

This gave the scene a massive boost in terms of new sounds

Therefore playlists became totally new at subsequent clubs Torch/Cats/Mecca.

Kegsy

[Citizen P]

Rather than records dying due to there quality or lack thereof

theres a bigger reason why many of the Wheel records stopped getting played.

The closure of the Wheel coincided with the influx of millions of 45s being

brought in from the states by Bostocks,F.L.Moores etc.

This gave the scene a massive boost in terms of new sounds

Therefore playlists became totally new at subsequent clubs Torch/Cats/Mecca.

Kegsy

This would coincide with my thoughts that from each "big" club Wheel/Torch/Wigan, as one closed and the other filled the gap there was a subtle shift in the music--hard to pin down, but I know what i mean...

[Rob Wigley]

...and what did he say?

Just that records like those instrumentals "of the day" could never be played on the scene today-not even as oldies and become as "Big" as they were then---he also mentioned "Zola" another forgotten about tune that quite frankly sounds F***ing awful now. However he told me the story about how he first played "The champion"..and that went on to become a classic !