Cleaning My Record With Pva Glue

[Gerry H]

wasn`t sure where to post this but here goes i tryed watered down pva glue first just went deep into the grooves i couldent do nothing with it dryed in i thought i was gonna bin the record totally foockd dried it by the fire while i had a think wtf to do so i got the tub and pasted it on as thick as i could the record was on ebay with a bid on it made things worse this morning after being by the fire and in the warm it was dry just got an edge and peeled it came off the record was nice n shiny so pva is ok see scans not of the record cos it`s packed away ready for post tf

[Gerry H]

sorry im new to posting

[boba]

don't water it down. it's also water soluble so if there are scraps left on use water to get them off. you can also use wood glue, which is much harder than pva glue (e.g. sandable, not water soluble), but it doesn't bond to the vinyl any better than the pva glue (which is good in a sense, it's still removable), so the pva glue is safer.

also, no reason to glue the deadwax and touch the label like that, you risk tearing the label.

[boba]

also, i would not use heat (especially a fire!) to dry it, just let it sit for 24 hours until it's totally translucent

[Gerry H]

i panicked the pva i used was resin based the one in the blue jars that joiners use to fix old furiture realy strong it was kill or cure

[Dave Pinch]

theres several you tube videos for this

[Gerry H]

had this in the shed for years when i was on the tools last resort

[Dave Moore]

If you use a good quality wood glue and remove/lift the whole thing off in one piece you can actually play the glue 'record'. I'm sure I've posted a video of this before in the past?

Regards,

Dave

[Swifty]

If you use a good quality wood glue and remove/lift the whole thing off in one piece you can actually play the glue 'record'. I'm sure I've posted a video of this before in the past?

Regards,

Dave

but wouldn't it play backwards Dave ?

Swifty

[John Elias]

popping to my garage lol.....got a bell boys that needs a good sniff of da glue

[Jhsoulnotts]

Stains your vinyl, don't try with anything you might want to sell later!

[Jumpinjoan]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the lengthy and very amusing / helpful pva glue thread that was on here a while ago. Do a search and I'm sure you'll find it easy enough

edit: just did a search and there are two threads I think

I would post the link but every glue word shows up yellow and there are a lot of them

Edited December 31, 2012 by jumpinjoan

[Swifty]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the lengthy and very amusing / helpful pva glue thread that was on here a while ago. Do a search and I'm sure you'll find it easy enough

Joan , was just thinking the same , cracking thread !

Happy New Year !

Swifty

[Premium Stuff]

Here they are - think it's the correct two threads:

Cheers

Richard

[boba]

it doesn't stain your vinyl

[MrsWoodsrules]

Good advice from Bob, no need to go into the run off, it can leave some remnant marking that can be seen under certain light, otherwise great & a very effective way to clean a record, did work for me with positive results, although I only did it once & ended up getting some glue on my turntable matt though, I was never that good at Blue Peter stuff, no big deal though as it just peels off once dry.

Aid.

[Premium Stuff]

Can someone please recommend an exact brand of PVA glue they have used that can be bought in the UK?

Cheers

Richard

[boba]

it really doesn't matter that much. some kinds will be easier to peel off and stick together better and some won't. just buy some and test on some garbage records. I still use my turntable btw but I put a cardboard filler pad under the 45. I have a technics 1200 and I take the mat off and push the filler pad through the spindle, then put on a 45 adapter on top of that. Otherwise the 45 adapter tends to slip off (e.g. if there's not much spindle to hold it) and the record goes off center.

[Jhsoulnotts]

it doesn't stain your vinyl

yes it does, look for a milky tide mark, where the glue was, not recommended. Used to think it was the dogs nads at one bit, then freaked up a Four Sonics with that trick, never again!

Edited January 1, 2013 by Jhsoulnotts

[Guest john s]

That's really odd, I know a good few people who use the PVA method, none have ever mentioned staining on the vinyl...

[Jhsoulnotts]

I only noticed when I graded under a bright lamp to re-sell

[boba]

yes it does, look for a milky tide mark, where the glue was, not recommended. Used to think it was the dogs nads at one bit, then freaked up a Four Sonics with that trick, never again!

I guess MrsWoodsRules agrees with you above. I've done it on about a dozen records but don't use it because I haven't had a case where it adds anything to my existing cleaning so I don't do it regularly. So I probably missed it.

[Jhsoulnotts]

missed that too bob, it does clean em well though - good for cheap stuff!

[Markw]

I guess MrsWoodsRules agrees with you above. I've done it on about a dozen records but don't use it because I haven't had a case where it adds anything to my existing cleaning so I don't do it regularly. So I probably missed it.

So, let me get this straight:

(1) it doesn't do any better than cleaning a record using recognised methods - decent cloth, decent fluid and/or soapy warm water

(2) there is a concensus that it may well leave a milky residue behind diminishing a record's grading

(3) the people on here that have tried this glue method have only done so a limited, small number of times with the results quoted in (1) and (2)

My question therefore is this - what is the point and why bother? Or am I being thick and missing something blindingly obvious about the benefits of plastering glue all over a record?

[boba]

No, for most people it makes a big difference. I am very good at cleaning 45s.

Some people have cleaned hundreds of records with glue and it has helped them a lot.

[Amsterdam Russ]

I've used the glue method loads of times on records with values high and low and have found it to be an exceptionally effective means of cleaning 45s. I've never had a problem with milky residue. In fact, I've never seen this at all. Perhaps those that have had it aren't using a high enough quality glue, but that's just an uninformed guess on my part. I can say though that I'm using industrial grade glue (as my partner works with the stuff and quite literally has a gallon of the stuff in her workshop).

If I think a 45 needs cleaning, I'll always use a washing up sponge and warm soapy water first. If the record still sounds dirty, then I'll use the glue treatment.

[Jhsoulnotts]

I use titebond 2 as recommended by several forums, as I say, works well, and sometimes fixes records that would otherwise not clean by conventional methods, but in my experience it is at a price!

[boba]

I think Russell has glue cleaned a lot of records, maybe he can recommend a specific glue that doesn't leave a residue.

[Amsterdam Russ]

Don't know what it's called, Bob. I have it decanted into an old washing up liquid bottle. Will ask Bev what brand it is when she comes back from the studio...

[boba]

jhsoul, I think titebond 2 is a wood glue. Can you try using something similar to the White Elmers Glue that everyone knows, don't know what the equivalent is in the UK? I'm guessing it won't leave any stain.

[Amsterdam Russ]

Here you go... The stuff I'm using is Bison Professional Wood Glue. My partner Bev buys it by the 10kg bucket (pictured), which is about 70 euros, and as mentioned, I fill up a washing up bottle with the stuff and that lasts absolutely ages.

Here's a link to the product page on the company's website:

https://www.bison.net...ood-glue-extra/

[Jhsoulnotts]

jhsoul, I think titebond 2 is a wood glue. Can you try using something similar to the White Elmers Glue that everyone knows, don't know what the equivalent is in the UK? I'm guessing it won't leave any stain.

When people say PVA cleaning they are usually talking about a wood glue, titebond is the recommended brand in most audio forums, which is basically PVA so should be no different its personal choice Bob, but I think people need to know what might happen...

Edited January 2, 2013 by Jhsoulnotts

[Amsterdam Russ]

If the Titebond leaves residual stains, it's possibly time to try another brand.

[Jhsoulnotts]

Crazyness, why bother in the first place? If you are looking for a cheap easy and successful way of cleaning vinyl with no risk attached:

a 1:10 mix of isopropol alcohol, deionised water and a touch of antibacterial handwash will make a nice vinyl cleaner (Maplins and Wilkos in the UK works out £1 a ltr)

1. Apply to the record,
   
2. Clean with a clean toothbrush (two for 19p from ASDA) getting into all the grooves
   
3. and mop up/buff with a kitchen towel/microfibre cloth.
   
4. Repeat on really grubby vinyl
   

Takes 5 mins, costs less and makes a better job than PVA