is there any difference between the yello label demo and the red, or is it just simply colour

any info gladly received as always

all the best

Andy

Don't understand the question...seriously

hello Pete,

i have seen these 2 different label designs and wondered are they a different release run, i know they are not the same record but i have always thought the grapevines were all yellow

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Edited December 28, 201212 yr by Andy Kempster

You have to go to 'upload image' (see bottom right of reply box to the right of 'fast reply').

Then (see bottom left of reply box) select 'choose file' - find the file you want - then click 'attach file'.

Cheers

Richard

Right, the red ones are a very late series, they came after the yellows finished I think, there are either two or three releases, also available on 12" singles.

gotcha, thats exactly the kind of info I was looking for, thanks again for your help Pete

Does anyone know what the red releases were? Can't make out the wording on the image above.

Cheers

Peter

  On 28/12/2012 at 14:38, Peter99 said:

Does anyone know what the red releases were? Can't make out the wording on the image above.

Cheers

Peter

From an article I did for Record Collector mamazgine, comments by John Anderson, not sure about RED 2 though

RED 1 BRIMSTONE INGRAM:

“What Happened To The Songs”

*

Acouple of singles were issued with a red label and a different prefix, in an attempt to promote modern soul product.

The red label was just to make Grapevine more contemporary, by splitting it in two for different types of music. All those Funkadelic guys played the backing on this; they were session players as well. They looked a bit wild because they dressed like they did on stage colourfully. But it was a kinda pop record, really. Brimstone Ingram was the Detroit Emeralds bandleader.

RED 3 LEO’S SUNSHIPP:

“Give Me The Sunshine”

*

We had a red label album by Leo’s Sunshipp ready to put out. It was the cult import LP of the time — we had that, plus beefed up re-recorded versions and new songs, taped for a new album. But the tape got lost for posterity! We got this from YONS Records in Atlanta. Kenny Stover was in the band, from some 70s Motown group.

  On 28/12/2012 at 14:43, Pete S said:

From an article I did for Record Collector mamazgine, comments by John Anderson, not sure about RED 2 though

RED 1 BRIMSTONE INGRAM:

“What Happened To The Songs”

*

Acouple of singles were issued with a red label and a different prefix, in an attempt to promote modern soul product.

The red label was just to make Grapevine more contemporary, by splitting it in two for different types of music. All those Funkadelic guys played the backing on this; they were session players as well. They looked a bit wild because they dressed like they did on stage colourfully. But it was a kinda pop record, really. Brimstone Ingram was the Detroit Emeralds bandleader.

RED 3 LEO’S SUNSHIPP:

“Give Me The Sunshine”

*

We had a red label album by Leo’s Sunshipp ready to put out. It was the cult import LP of the time — we had that, plus beefed up re-recorded versions and new songs, taped for a new album. But the tape got lost for posterity! We got this from YONS Records in Atlanta. Kenny Stover was in the band, from some 70s Motown group.

Cheers Pete

  On 28/12/2012 at 14:43, Pete S said:

From an article I did for Record Collector mamazgine, comments by John Anderson, not sure about RED 2 though

.

RED 3 LEO’S SUNSHIPP:

“Give Me The Sunshine”

*

We had a red label album by Leo’s Sunshipp ready to put out. It was the cult import LP of the time — we had that, plus beefed up re-recorded versions and new songs, taped for a new album. But the tape got lost for posterity! We got this from YONS Records in Atlanta. Kenny Stover was in the band, from some 70s Motown group.

Maybe not one for you Pete?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7S5GmBM6_g

I'm not so sure I like it.

Peter

  On 28/12/2012 at 14:43, Pete S said:

From an article I did for Record Collector mamazgine, comments by John Anderson, not sure about RED 2 though

RED 1 BRIMSTONE INGRAM:

“What Happened To The Songs”

Was pushed a box of 25 x 12" singles of the Brimstone Ingram on the way out of the bowl at trade cost. Once home opened up to find all the sleeve's had the seventies RCA Disco 12" outers and this red limited labelled grapevine record was very poor.

Did anyone actually buy this who had serious connections to the northern soul establishment, other than a love for the label.

Also Grapevine did a Fred Perry clothing style 3 button polo top, available also in yellow and red - pre 1978 and onwards - anyone recall.

Edited December 28, 201212 yr by Nick Harrison

The yellow label 45's were NS, the red were MS .....

I bought a copy of all the MS 45's (red label) and loved em all.

Left quite a few of the yellow Grapevines (even when I could get em for 10p or 25p) coz I wasn't into Wigan stompers or Casino instros.

I never liked Brimstone ingram (RED 1) back them and played it the other week and still did not like it one bit!

Leo's Sunshipp (RED 3) however is a different kettle of fish - two wonderful sides (imho)

Does anyone know what RED 2 should have been? Or is there a RED 2 release knocking about somewhere?

I havent even heard red 1. Anyone got a clip?

Above is a topic I posted with a magazine attached about Grapevine. Think the PDF even has the prices I paid around approx 87/88/89.

  On 28/12/2012 at 18:33, chalky said:

Above is a topic I posted with a magazine attached about Grapevine. Think the PDF even has the prices I paid around approx 87/88/89.

Very interesting Chalky.

Cheers

Peter

So the REDS weren't so much "modern soul", as Grapevine's attempt at contemporary soul of the time. You'll see that the Grapevine 2000 label did exactly the same thing with a "red" series earlier this century. They also came out while the label was still in existance 79 /80. Didn't the last yellows come out in 81?

Brinstone Ingram - was a Fee production (John had previously produced Leo Lyons "Set me up baby" for the label and knew Woody Wilson who owned it etc.) An article I wrote here: https://www.toodarnso.../Fee Part 2.pdf

RED 3 was issued in response to demand for import copies of Leo's Sunshipp from the London crowd.

RED 2 - John did tell me once what it was planned to be, but it never got issued as Steve P says.

Steve

Edited December 28, 201212 yr by Steve G

  On 28/12/2012 at 13:54, andyk123 said:

is there any difference between the yello label demo and the red, or is it just simply colour

any info gladly received as always

all the best

Andy

The Grapevine Collection

Not in order 146 out of 147 one missing off full set 2 red ones 1 out of 2

The "In-Demand" Label Index

forgot the best al Williams I am nothing

GRP 100 - Richard Wylie - Rosemary What Happened

GRP 101 - Soul Twins - Quick Change Artist

GRP 102 - Stanley Woodruff - What Took You So Long

GRP 103 - Milton Wright - I Belong To You

GRP 104 - The Flaming Emeralds - Have Some Everybody

GRP 105 - Keanya Collins - Love Bandit

GRP 106 - Judy Street - What

GRP 107 - The Lovelites - Get It Off My Conscience

GRP 108 - Ronnie Love - Let's Make Love

GRP 109 - Smith Brothers - There Can Be A Better Way

GRP 110 - The Happy Cats - These Boots Are Made For Walking

GRP 111 - Ray Godfrey - Come And Get These Memories

GRP 112 - Del Capris - Hey Little Way Out Girl

GRP 113 - The Capreez - How To Make A Sad Man Glad

GRP 114 - The Ellingtons - Destined To Become A Loser

GRP 115 - Tony Middleton - Paris Blues

GRP 116 - Sam Moultrie - Love Slipped Through My Fingers PUT SAM WILLIAMS ON INSTEAD

GRP 117 - James Bynum - Time Passes By

GRP 118 - Jimmy Burns - I Really Love You

GRP 119 - Eddie Parker - Loves You Baby

GRP 120 - Larry Clinton - She's Wanted In Three States

GRP 121 - Cody Michaels - 7 Days - 52 Weeks

GRP 122 - Tomangoes - I Really Love You

GRP 123 - Flame 'N' King - Ho Happy Day

GRP 124 - Bobby Wells - Be's That Way Some Times

GRP 125 - Betty Boo - Say It Isn't So

GRP 126 - The Thrills - What Can Go Wrong

GRP 127 - De-Lites - Lover

GRP 128 - Morris Chestnut - Too Darn Soulful

GRP 129 - The Precisions - Such Misery

GRP 130 - Seventh Wonder - Captain of My Ship

GRP 131 - Soul Generation - Hold On

GRP 132 - Sam and Kitty - I've Got Something Good

GRP 133 - Carol Anderson - Sad Girl

GRP 134 - Edward Hamilton - Baby Don't You Weep

GRP 135 - Laura Greene - Can't Help Loving That Man

GRP 138 - Lester Tipton - This Won't Change

GRP 139 - Billy Hambric - I Found True Love

GRP 140 - Black Nasty - Cut Your Motor Off

GRP 141 - Dena Barnes - If You Ever Walked Out Of My Life

GRP 142 - The Agents - Trouble

GRP 143 - Nabay - Believe It Or Not

GRP 144 - New Wanderers - This Man In Love

GRP 145 - Duke Browner - Crying Over You

GRP 146 - Kaddo Strings - Nothing But Love

GRP 147 - Anthony Reye - Give Me One More Chance

RED 1 - Brimstone Ingram - What Happened To the Songs

RED 3 - Leo's Sunshipp - Give Me The Sunshine tony midleton - to the ends of the earth was suppose to be on the third lp

33's

GRAL 1000 - Talk Of The Grapevine

GRAL 1001 - Sound Of The Grapevine

GRAL 1002 - This Is Northen Soul

  On 29/12/2012 at 04:33, Gerry H said:

The Grapevine Collection

Not in order 146 out of 147 one missing off full set 2 red ones 1 out of 2

The "In-Demand" Label Index

forgot the best al Williams I am nothing

GRP 100 - Richard Wylie - Rosemary What Happened

GRP 101 - Soul Twins - Quick Change Artist

GRP 102 - Stanley Woodruff - What Took You So Long

GRP 103 - Milton Wright - I Belong To You

GRP 104 - The Flaming Emeralds - Have Some Everybody

GRP 105 - Keanya Collins - Love Bandit

GRP 106 - Judy Street - What

GRP 107 - The Lovelites - Get It Off My Conscience

GRP 108 - Ronnie Love - Let's Make Love

GRP 109 - Smith Brothers - There Can Be A Better Way

GRP 110 - The Happy Cats - These Boots Are Made For Walking

GRP 111 - Ray Godfrey - Come And Get These Memories

GRP 112 - Del Capris - Hey Little Way Out Girl

GRP 113 - The Capreez - How To Make A Sad Man Glad

GRP 114 - The Ellingtons - Destined To Become A Loser

GRP 115 - Tony Middleton - Paris Blues

GRP 116 - Sam Moultrie - Love Slipped Through My Fingers PUT SAM WILLIAMS ON INSTEAD

GRP 117 - James Bynum - Time Passes By

GRP 118 - Jimmy Burns - I Really Love You

GRP 119 - Eddie Parker - Loves You Baby

GRP 120 - Larry Clinton - She's Wanted In Three States

GRP 121 - Cody Michaels - 7 Days - 52 Weeks

GRP 122 - Tomangoes - I Really Love You

GRP 123 - Flame 'N' King - Ho Happy Day

GRP 124 - Bobby Wells - Be's That Way Some Times

GRP 125 - Betty Boo - Say It Isn't So

GRP 126 - The Thrills - What Can Go Wrong

GRP 127 - De-Lites - Lover

GRP 128 - Morris Chestnut - Too Darn Soulful

GRP 129 - The Precisions - Such Misery

GRP 130 - Seventh Wonder - Captain of My Ship

GRP 131 - Soul Generation - Hold On

GRP 132 - Sam and Kitty - I've Got Something Good

GRP 133 - Carol Anderson - Sad Girl

GRP 134 - Edward Hamilton - Baby Don't You Weep

GRP 135 - Laura Greene - Can't Help Loving That Man

GRP 138 - Lester Tipton - This Won't Change

GRP 139 - Billy Hambric - I Found True Love

GRP 140 - Black Nasty - Cut Your Motor Off

GRP 141 - Dena Barnes - If You Ever Walked Out Of My Life

GRP 142 - The Agents - Trouble

GRP 143 - Nabay - Believe It Or Not

GRP 144 - New Wanderers - This Man In Love

GRP 145 - Duke Browner - Crying Over You

GRP 146 - Kaddo Strings - Nothing But Love

GRP 147 - Anthony Reye - Give Me One More Chance

RED 1 - Brimstone Ingram - What Happened To the Songs

RED 3 - Leo's Sunshipp - Give Me The Sunshine tony midleton - to the ends of the earth was suppose to be on the third lp

33's

GRAL 1000 - Talk Of The Grapevine

GRAL 1001 - Sound Of The Grapevine

GRAL 1002 - This Is Northen Soul

136 is mising maby thats al williams

  On 28/12/2012 at 19:13, Steve G said:

So the REDS weren't so much "modern soul", as Grapevine's attempt at contemporary soul of the time.

Steve

This would appear the correct theory, as Carol Anderson and Flame "N" King And The Bold Ones, were examples of modern soul tunes pressed on the yellow label. For what my little bit of input is worth.

  On 28/12/2012 at 14:13, andyk123 said:

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yeah thanks for using my pictures off Ebay listings - hence the watermark usage so they can ' t be repeated on internet forums FFS ....

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