Are Youngsters Coming Through?

[barney]

Rubbish , what next , start playing gold mine CDs etc utter tripe mate if you haven't got the ov go out and get it , doesn't have to be a big oldie get digging and find stuff , what about the bloody integrity of it all. This is to barney by the way

I dont dj I dont have a collection I have an opinion though , and to me as I said in my initial post its what comes out of the speakers and how a set is played out that counts the format ie what its derived from doesnt matter to me , its all about the music : )

[Guest Soultown andy]

theres a lot more can be added to those but as a percentage would you guestimate 50% 40% 30% 20% 10% of dj,s are female then what about those say under 25

Dont really know but those i know who have shown an interest in djing are mostly djing.So are you saying that all the djs who have collected and dj,d for years should suddenly retire.In any job in life you start at the bottom or apprentice and work your way up,if your good enough you will get there if you are good enough that is .Or is the soul scene some how different to the rest of life.

Edited December 30, 2012 by Soultown andy

[Guest Bearsy]

dont think its funny at all chalky but you spin it how you want , the facts are you have been in this for yonks and have the records .

Honestly I'm not picking on you but can't help but say this, All the old brigade of the dj world have been in the scene for years and have bought sold traded scrimped and scraped to get a collection for ???? Years, with that they have gained knowledge, experience know how all the things top djs need and have, why can't the youngsters do the same and slowly build their collections and in 5 to 10 years can hold their own and in 40 years time they can be at the top if that's what they want, Why do they have to have all the top tunes right now, we all want them but we can't all afford them and if we could afford them we probably still could buy them. What is the thing that they want to dj now but can't just cos they can't afford the big money tunes, like everything in life if you can't afford it you can't have it but kids being kids today they want it all cos they in general always get what they want. Tell them to do the apprenticeship and learn their trade then their time will come, tell them to get a better paid job if they want a Ferrari on a Lada wage cos you get out of life what you put into it, there will always be wealthier people that's why a pauper like me buys lottery tickets lolol

[Premium Stuff]

it means it used to have a female resident dj but doesnt have one now , probably because they would sooner have a male : )

That's just you assuming isn't it - or actually casting aspersions about 100 Club DJ selection policy

I'm sure someone on here will put you right - unless they can't be bothered, which is quite likely as it doesn't merit it

Cheers

Richard

Edited December 30, 2012 by Premium Stuff

[Guest dundeedavie]

it means it used to have a female resident dj but doesnt have one now , probably because they would sooner have a male : )

this has to be some sort of record in idiocy, are you accusing Ady of sexism?

[barney]

Honestly I'm not picking on you but can't help but say this, All the old brigade of the dj world have been in the scene for years and have bought sold traded scrimped and scraped to get a collection for ???? Years, with that they have gained knowledge, experience know how all the things top djs need and have, why can't the youngsters do the same and slowly build their collections and in 5 to 10 years can hold their own and in 40 years time they can be at the top if that's what they want, Why do they have to have all the top tunes right now, we all want them but we can't all afford them and if we could afford them we probably still could buy them. What is the thing that they want to dj now but can't just cos they can't afford the big money tunes, like everything in life if you can't afford it you can't have it but kids being kids today they want it all cos they in general always get what they want. Tell them to do the apprenticeship and learn their trade then their time will come, tell them to get a better paid job if they want a Ferrari on a Lada wage cos you get out of life what you put into it, there will always be wealthier people that's why a pauper like me buys lottery tickets lolol

got to agree to a certain extent , but thats the cause of one of the biggest bones of contention on here guys with records who want to dj start their own soul night and invite fellow promoters to dj on a you scratch my back scenario , so its not about merit or integrity its about who you know and not your capabilities , which obviously does nothing for those who dont have their own venues and typically thyis included women and young people ,

[Premium Stuff]

Honestly I'm not picking on you but can't help but say this, All the old brigade of the dj world have been in the scene for years and have bought sold traded scrimped and scraped to get a collection for ???? Years, with that they have gained knowledge, experience know how all the things top djs need and have, why can't the youngsters do the same and slowly build their collections and in 5 to 10 years can hold their own and in 40 years time they can be at the top if that's what they want, Why do they have to have all the top tunes right now, we all want them but we can't all afford them and if we could afford them we probably still could buy them. What is the thing that they want to dj now but can't just cos they can't afford the big money tunes, like everything in life if you can't afford it you can't have it but kids being kids today they want it all cos they in general always get what they want. Tell them to do the apprenticeship and learn their trade then their time will come, tell them to get a better paid job if they want a Ferrari on a Lada wage cos you get out of life what you put into it, there will always be wealthier people that's why a pauper like me buys lottery tickets lolol

Right on Brother

That is what the Northern and rare soul scene is built on - whether collector, DJ or dancer

It's fundamentally about 'doing the knowledge' (like London taxi drivers) and about rarity (obscurity might be a better word for the music), and authenticity - that's what sets the men apart from the boys - or the women from the girls - takes a lot of hours, days, weeks, years on the clock.

Look at mainstream or other scene DJing - the top people deal in the first plays, the unusual, the exclusive. Problem with our scene is every old bugger with a few records reckons they are a DJ - and the ones who don't do 'the knowledge' and don;t play OVO are on the bottom rung IMVFHO

Cheers

Richard

Edited December 30, 2012 by Premium Stuff

[barney]

That's just you assuming isn't it - or actually casting aspersions about 100 Club DJ selection policy

I'm sure someone on here will put you right - unless they can't be bothered, which is quite likely as it doesn't merit it

Cheers

am not knocking the 100 club it was your patronising answer that got me

quote it even had a female resident ,

Richard

[barney]

please note

am not knocking or dissing any venue was just responding to what to me was a patronising responce to female dj,s

[Guest Bearsy]

got to agree to a certain extent , but thats the cause of one of the biggest bones of contention on here guys with records who want to dj start their own soul night and invite fellow promoters to dj on a you scratch my back scenario , so its not about merit or integrity its about who you know and not your capabilities , which obviously does nothing for those who dont have their own venues and typically thyis included women and young people ,

Barney I couldn't agree more and I think you will find that many others would agree too. If a youngster wants to dj they buy the tunes they like and IMHO OVO is the only way to go as they will have the confidence to dj so they should have confidence to put a cd together and approach promoters and ask fora dj spot and who knows they might get the early spot and that is a start its just getting heard and gaining experience if that's what they want they got to go for it. Age or sex should nothing to do with it cos like you say it's all about the music and if they can produce a good set then as time goes by they will get their chances.

[barney]

this has to be some sort of record in idiocy, are you accusing Ady of sexism?

the answer is no

was just giving a sarcastic reply to what was a patronising responce wrt female dj,s

christ read some of the posts on here , all I am saying is I refuse to accept the OVO status and would like to see more young people and women dj, ing ,

[Premium Stuff]

am not knocking the 100 club it was your patronising answer that got me

quote it even had a female resident ,

It wasn't me that said anything about the 100 employing women before you raised it - was someone else - get your facts right

Richard

[barney]

The likes of the 100 Club has featured an all female line up several times. It even had a female resident at one time. Plenty of venues featuring female DJs.

it was chalky that mentioned the 100 club and I responded to it , you asked me to explain my answer I thought it was patronising and gave a sarcastic answer ,

will apologise for my mistake in attributing the original remark to you.

Edited December 30, 2012 by barney

[barney]

Right on Brother

That is what the Northern and rare soul scene is built on - whether collector, DJ or dancer

It's fundamentally about 'doing the knowledge' (like London taxi drivers) and about rarity (obscurity might be a better word for the music), and authenticity - that's what sets the men apart from the boys - or the women from the girls - takes a lot of hours, days, weeks, years on the clock.

Look at mainstream or other scene DJing - the top people deal in the first plays, the unusual, the exclusive. Problem with our scene is every old bugger with a few records reckons they are a DJ - and the ones who don't do 'the knowledge' and don;t play OVO are on the bottom rung IMVFHO

Cheers

Richard

to take this on then , those who have the dosh and can buy a collection off the shelf and start their own night , niter, weekend are above the bottom rung and deserve to be heard. ?

put another way then I win the lottery buy a collection (well got 40 odd years of listening to the music behind me ) start my own venue and pay the top dj,s to come and play, may have women only nights , who would come .

ps or I could sell all my scooters and bikes ,

Edited December 31, 2012 by barney

[Guest Soultown andy]

to take this on then , those who have the dosh and can buy a collection off the shelf and start their own night , niter, weekend are above the bottom rung and deserve to be heard.

Or the other way those who are young who cant afford real collections should be allowed to dj with a box of boots,because.

[Premium Stuff]

to take this on then , those who have the dosh and can buy a collection off the shelf and start their own night , niter, weekend are above the bottom rung and deserve to be heard. ?

put another way then I win the lottery buy a collection (well got 40 odd years of listening to the music behind me ) start my own venue and pay the top dj,s to come and play, may have women only nights , who would come .

ps or I could sell all my scooters and bikes ,

That's totally different to what you said before you had second thoughts and just edited it

Richard

Edited December 31, 2012 by Premium Stuff

[barney]

That's totally different to what you said before you had second thoughts and just edited it

Richard

just added on rich the first para is original

[Guest Soultown andy]

Or the other way those who are young who cant afford real collections should be allowed to dj with a box of boots,because.

I replied before you edited,as richard said .

[barney]

wots with the boxing gif richard

[Northernjordan]

This might be shock horror to many of you, but the two sets I played recently they both had young female DJs :O

[barney]

whats the solution then

how do we break the old boy cycle and get more women and youngsters dj,ing because if we dont the scene is going to die sooner rather than later,

I go out every w/end and travel ,attend mainly classic oldies but some atb venues and its the same old blokes playing the same old records with a few exceptions , many of these venues are well attended but its getting a bit jaded as far as Im concerned and believe its time we gave women and youngsters a throw of the dice .

[Guest Soultown andy]

This might be shock horror to many of you, but the two sets I played recently they both had young female DJs :O

Not a shock at all jordan.

[Guest Soultown andy]

whats the solution then

how do we break the old boy cycle and get more women and youngsters dj,ing because if we dont the scene is going to die sooner rather than later,

I go out every w/end and travel ,attend mainly classic oldies but some atb venues and its the same old blokes playing the same old records with a few exceptions , many of these venues are well attended but its getting a bit jaded as far as Im concerned and believe its time we gave women and youngsters a throw of the dice .

Well maybe its the venues you attend,loads of young djs women djs and spinnin ovo out there.

[Pete Eccles]

whats the solution then

how do we break the old boy cycle and get more women and youngsters dj,ing because if we dont the scene is going to die sooner rather than later,

I go out every w/end and travel ,attend mainly classic oldies but some atb venues and its the same old blokes playing the same old records with a few exceptions , many of these venues are well attended but its getting a bit jaded as far as Im concerned and believe its time we gave women and youngsters a throw of the dice .

If they are well attended then they must be delivering what's wanted, maybe jaded to you but just changing the age and gender of the line-up and allowing an 'any format will do policy' may not enhance the experience, then maybe it will, so maybe it's best you suggest it to the promoter

[barney]

Well maybe its the venues you attend,loads of young djs women djs and spinnin ovo out there.

maybe so; but there are in excess of 40 soul nights tonight (new years eve)

would like to bet there are less than 10 female dj,s playing a set and even less under 25s

[Guest Soultown andy]

maybe so; but there are in excess of 40 soul nights tonight (new years eve)

would like to bet there are less than 10 female dj,s playing a set and even less under 25s

I bet your wrong,but i doubt we will agree.

[Pete Eccles]

maybe so; but there are in excess of 40 soul nights tonight (new years eve)

would like to bet there are less than 10 female dj,s playing a set and even less under 25s

Tomorrow (new years day) there will be a full football programme, I would like to bet there will be no over 50s playing in the four professional divisions, is that ageism?

It is what it is, if someone gets an invite to DJ then they get an invite regardless of age or gender, if they don't then they don't,

[barney]

a good friend of mine has recentley started dj,ing and was a resident at a local soul night , at first she just filled in the early spot . she struggled to add to her collection her husband is disabled and cant work she is only part time so money is tight , anyway the promoters asked her to dj the later spots and she reluctantly decided to do so, on her first main spot she played a boot and was hammered for this , but she had been asked to play it by a friend and she did state it wasnt a genuine record , but hey ho the third wiorld war kicked off she even got a barely concealed mention on here by a well known promoter, this shook her confidence somewhat but it made her more determined to play originals and she has scrimped and saved to aquire a decent set . which is fair enough but she is a determined woman and can easily see especially by some of the attitudes on here that women or youngsters can easily be put off.

[barney]

I bet your wrong,but i doubt we will agree.

well it would be easy to have a go most events list who is playing ,cant be arsed to do the maths though

[barney]

Tomorrow (new years day) there will be a full football programme, I would like to bet there will be no over 50s playing in the four professional divisions, is that ageism?

It is what it is, if someone gets an invite to DJ then they get an invite regardless of age or gender, if they don't then they don't,

its a good bet there will be no women playing either

[Guest Soultown andy]

a good friend of mine has recentley started dj,ing and was a resident at a local soul night , at first she just filled in the early spot . she struggled to add to her collection her husband is disabled and cant work she is only part time so money is tight , anyway the promoters asked her to dj the later spots and she reluctantly decided to do so, on her first main spot she played a boot and was hammered for this , but she had been asked to play it by a friend and she did state it wasnt a genuine record , but hey ho the third wiorld war kicked off she even got a barely concealed mention on here by a well known promoter, this shook her confidence somewhat but it made her more determined to play originals and she has scrimped and saved to aquire a decent set . which is fair enough but she is a determined woman and can easily see especially by some of the attitudes on here that women or youngsters can easily be put off.

But she hasnt been put off,and good on her.

well it would be easy to have a go most events list who is playing ,cant be arsed to do the maths though

me either,tonites a big nite.There are venues with young and female djs out there barney,they tend not to be your classic oldie venues though.You may have to broaden your horizons,have a good nye where ever you go.

Edited December 31, 2012 by Soultown andy

[Pete Eccles]

its a good bet there will be no women playing either

Correct!!

There will be no men in the next Wimbledon womens final either, but that wasn't the point, whoever a promoter sees fit to employ to make the most of a night they have decided to stand or fall by is up to them, regardless of age,gender or collection, it's up to you to attend or not,

Or you could do it yourself, then again maybe not

[barney]

Correct!!

There will be no men in the next Wimbledon womens final either, but that wasn't the point, whoever a promoter sees fit to employ to make the most of a night they have decided to stand or fall by is up to them, regardless of age,gender or collection, it's up to you to attend or not,

Or you could do it yourself, then again maybe not

need a new laptop lol

so we cant do anything other than accept the status quo then pete

Edited December 31, 2012 by barney

[Pete Eccles]

need a new laptop lol

so we cant do anything other than accept the status quo then pete

Yes we can Barney, we can go and start even more venues and nights to satisfy your desire for equality, but , for any reasonably worthwhile event, I would imagine any promoter is doing their best to put on an enjoyable night, to go out of their way to incorporate particular sections of age and/or gender would be discrimination in itself,

[barney]

Yes we can Barney, we can go and start even more venues and nights to satisfy your desire for equality, but , for any reasonably worthwhile event, I would imagine any promoter is doing their best to put on an enjoyable night, to go out of their way to incorporate particular sections of age and/or gender would be discrimination in itself,

have already touched on your first sentence, but surely promoters could try and shake it up a bit and give more spots to women and young people and that we as punters should go to venues which promote females or younsters , which when given the opportunity I have done .

[Spacehopper]

conner rooney from gloucester another teenage dj buying originals...anyone mentioned sue taylor,nick and tracy shaw,sallie reynolds,chrissie osbourne and jo wallace?...more lady djs...

sitting here at work and came up with this list off the top of my half asleep head...all good ORIGINAL dancers not overplayed and all bought for under a tenner...if i was at home would be dozens more as most of us on here could do...whatever your views on ovo not having the money for originals is not a reason to DJ with boots of mainly overplayed oldies

how long esquires

im lonely bobby byrd

love is the master bob brady

i found a young girl wayne talbert

im your special fool nancy wilson

a change mustangs

hes the one you love inez fox

nice and easy barbara lynn

dont destroy me margie hendrix

worried joe l

wait until tomorrow spirit of st louis

cant stop loving my baby ray charles

stop and think tommy bush

ive got a secret accents

people get it together eddie floyd

youre driving me insane sammy j

im a man of action jimmy hughes

and any number of well known motown ,atlantic and duke records etc

dean

Edited December 31, 2012 by spacehopper

[Guest dundeedavie]

have already touched on your first sentence, but surely promoters could try and shake it up a bit and give more spots to women and young people and that we as punters should go to venues which promote females or younsters , which when given the opportunity I have done .

Why? I'm a promoter and I'll give the spots to whoever the best is.... easy as that! . we've had women guests before (one who was infact heavily pregnant at the time) and in all possibility we were ready to offer her a residency until she had her 4th child and couldn't commit to every event.

Women shouldn't be booked as a token gesture and I would be horrified if any woman thought i had booked them to keep my quota up, when I next book a woman it will be because she is bloody good at what she does and no other reason

[barney]

as a promoter its your call and as you say you pick to whoever is best ,

am not asking for token gestures, there are as been pointed out loads of women and young dj,s out there who are capable of doing a great spot with OV ,

[Steve L]

Whats this a labour party discussion on equality? Maybe we should have the correct quota of ethnic minority, disabled or gay DJ's

Its simple, if you havent got the records DONT PRETEND TO BE A DJ

[Guest dundeedavie]

as a promoter its your call and as you say you pick to whoever is best ,

am not asking for token gestures, there are as been pointed out loads of women and young dj,s out there who are capable of doing a great spot with OV ,

I don't really think a 'young' dj could do a spot at our place... the sort of thing we do kind of requires a life journey to understand i think

What is the old saying " you've had to have the blues before you can play the blues"

[Guest Brett F]

Of course it’s about the music, but for me the record collecting side is inseparable from the whole rare soul experience (whatever genre you choose to follow) I enjoy the anorak discussions about label differentials, the 45’ with the extra 11 second intro, the alternate type set on certain records, the demo releases, acetates, test pressings, the local versus National 7 inch vinyl record. Too me ( and this is just my opinion ) this makes the whole rare soul scene unique, it sets it aside from a thousand other musical genres, surely the UK soul odyssey was built upon DJ’s finding and playing obscure original records, this pattern has followed right through to this very day. I personally could care less what gender plays the music, just as long as its good to my ears and the person at the decks plays the genuine format.

[Tezza]

Why? I'm a promoter and I'll give the spots to whoever the best is.... easy as that! . we've had women guests before (one who was infact heavily pregnant at the time) and in all possibility we were ready to offer her a residency until she had her 4th child and couldn't commit to every event.

Women shouldn't be booked as a token gesture and I would be horrified if any woman thought i had booked them to keep my quota up, when I next book a woman it will be because she is bloody good at what she does and no other reason

100%

We have had a couple of Girls play for us - Cathy C and Linda K and they went down a storm. They were judged on the quality of the music they played and not on the colour of their Lipstick. Behind the decks they are DJ's, there is no question about sexual discrimination. Not enough Asians in the Soul Scene ?!?! it goes on and on and on ...

Age wise, not so sure. Need to have put in the roadwork before you can run a Marathon. Saw a young kid behind the decks at a venue - 9 years old FFS. Really ???!!!??? Aww - Bless was the overall consensus but truely belittling the scene. We get ridiculed from the outside as it is don't need to help them !!

[barney]

so then to answer the question are there younsters coming through is with regard to them dj,ing yes as long as they have done the leg work put the time in and aquired the records , which by the the time they have accomplished these they will be middle aged : )

[Guest Soultown andy]

so then to answer the question are there younsters coming through is with regard to them dj,ing yes as long as they have done the leg work put the time in and aquired the records , which by the the time they have accomplished these they will be middle aged : )

Re read post 215 which you decided not to answer.

[barney]

100%

We have had a couple of Girls play for us - Cathy C and Linda K and they went down a storm. They were judged on the quality of the music they played and not on the colour of their Lipstick. Behind the decks they are DJ's, there is no question about sexual discrimination. Not enough Asians in the Soul Scene ?!?! it goes on and on and on ...

Age wise, not so sure. Need to have put in the roadwork before you can run a Marathon. Saw a young kid behind the decks at a venue - 9 years old FFS. Really ???!!!??? Aww - Bless was the overall consensus but truely belittling the scene. We get ridiculed from the outside as it is don't need to help them

got to agree up to a point terry there arent many asians on the scene, but there are loads of women on the scene roughly 50 50 I would dare to suggest , and if we were to judge it by who takes the money on the doors then it would be a different answer,

ps was at the spire the other nite Ian G played a blinder as per and had a great night

[barney]

Or the other way those who are young who cant afford real collections should be allowed to dj with a box of boots,because.

in no have I said they should be allowed to play a box of boots but have said some young people have limited means and collections but want to dj , how do we help them .

ask them to do the early spots for say maybe travel costs , cut them a bit of slack regarding the odd re release , boot or even dare I say it cd , lets make the effort and see what happens , this to me would do more to help offset what seems to be an aging scene and encourage more younsters to come through and stick with it

[Chalky]

so then to answer the question are there younsters coming through is with regard to them dj,ing yes as long as they have done the leg work put the time in and aquired the records , which by the the time they have accomplished these they will be middle aged : )

Nobody should be handed anything on a plate, life isn't like that. Yes, a leg up now and then doesn't hurt but to get that leg up you at least have to have the right attitude, attributes and work ethic, you don't get a leg up in any other walk of life being a lazy tw*t so why should DJing be any different. Myself and many others never got a leg up when starting out and it was bloody tough then to get a nighter set, tougher than now that is for sure.

[Guest Soultown andy]

in no have I said they should be allowed to play a box of boots but have said some young people have limited means and collections but want to dj , how do we help them .

ask them to do the early spots for say maybe travel costs , cut them a bit of slack regarding the odd re release , boot or even dare I say it cd , lets make the effort and see what happens , this to me would do more to help offset what seems to be an aging scene and encourage more younsters to come through and stick with it

Playing cd,s and boots will exclude them from a lot of clubs,which i agree with so we obviously have a difference of opinion.It seems that the clubs you attend are excludeing younger and women djs,but there are plenty out there if you care to attend those clubs.So as i said earlier you may have to try other clubs.

[Chalky]

in no have I said they should be allowed to play a box of boots but have said some young people have limited means and collections but want to dj , how do we help them .

ask them to do the early spots for say maybe travel costs , cut them a bit of slack regarding the odd re release , boot or even dare I say it cd , lets make the effort and see what happens , this to me would do more to help offset what seems to be an aging scene and encourage more younsters to come through and stick with it

And we are back to what started this, why do they need the odd re-release, boot or pressing? Why not make a name for themselves playing something different, they are out there, very easy to locate and often cheaper than many boots nowadays. Why does anyone want to DJ with a boot of an already established record? This is all about revitalising the scene, young DJ's with fresh sounds and a different outlook on everything, not carrying on with the same old same

I would be more inclined to employ a youngster who showed some imagination and brought something different to the table not offered up what every other Tom, Dick and Harriet is already offering.

[barney]

Nobody should be handed anything on a plate, life isn't like that. Yes, a leg up now and then doesn't hurt but to get that leg up you at least have to have the right attitude, attributes and work ethic, you don't get a leg up in any other walk of life being a lazy tw*t so why should DJing be any different. Myself and many others never got a leg up when starting out and it was bloody tough then to get a nighter set, tougher than now that is for sure.

yes back in the day it was hard chalky , started work at grimethorpe coliery when I was 15 working underground when I was 16 , no fooker gave me a hand or help , what a fookin dog in the manger attitude , asking for free passes and where the lazy twats comes from god only knows am glad your not my dad

: )