Citizen P Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 Of course none of the younger people are remotely interested in paying silly prices for records when you can download them for free... Collecting rare records is certainly a dying passion...good job most people intend to take their prized possessions to their grave or crematorium ! Could be a new line for Burke and Hare shortly.
Northernjordan Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 love the negative slant/worry people have. I'm young and to be honest I'm not worried in the slightest. I have many young friends on the soul scene and scooter scene, I keep finding new tunes, get to new places. And all the young ones I know have the same attitude. I'd like to think we are all passionate enough to keep some form of rare soul scene going. Most of the young ones who aren't really passionate about it would have gone to a couple of events and got bored after 2-3, the fickle ones areby passionate enough to peruse it. 2
Premium Stuff Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 (edited) Can we expect to see the number of young people on the scene (meaning attending venues) falling away with big life-changing events like getting married, having kids, new educational or career opportunities? This effect has been much talked about as far as original soulies. Of course many have returned since, but if the same thing happened with the younger folk, would the scene survive? Plus, what is the critical mass needed for the scene to remain viable - a couple of big clubs and say 15 or 20 local clubs around the country? Cheers Richard Edited December 30, 2012 by Premium Stuff
Chalky Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 love the negative slant/worry people have. I'm young and to be honest I'm not worried in the slightest. I have many young friends on the soul scene and scooter scene, I keep finding new tunes, get to new places. And all the young ones I know have the same attitude. I'd like to think we are all passionate enough to keep some form of rare soul scene going. Most of the young ones who aren't really passionate about it would have gone to a couple of events and got bored after 2-3, the fickle ones areby passionate enough to peruse it. There has some seriously committed youngsters in the past, as passionate as any with collections to die for but other commitments make them leave the scene, mortgage, kids work etc. Nothing to do with negativity or worry, it is fact. It is great whilst you are still young with no worries and not a care in the world but you can't say what the future holds or how you will act when something unexpected is put in front of you. 1
Guest Droylsdonian Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 I have never had the slightest doubt that the scene will continue for a very long time, but I do think that OVO is unrealistic, as much as I love it. They break, get lost, warped, nicked & knackered. I would favour pressing afresh. That will be popular, wouldn't it? Said it before, repeat it now: Were it not for pressings, I wouldn't have been able to play any NS records as a kid. Apart from a very priviliged few , all Northern Soulies started off that way. As for the youngsters, I've met several of them & hope that, in so doing, I've given the right impression, but I worry a bit about that, primarily because of the way I got into it all. I think they will do us proud. I don't worry about a young lad who asked for a Rizla skin & turned down a full cig, though, on the ground that they are too dear to give away. He knows who he is & 'gets it'. Should be @ TW, but cocked up.
Popular Post Chalky Posted December 30, 2012 Popular Post Posted December 30, 2012 Said it before, repeat it now: Were it not for pressings, I wouldn't have been able to play any NS records as a kid. Apart from a very priviliged few , all Northern Soulies started off that way. I've said it before and I'll repeat it now, Utter Rubbish. There's 100's and 100's of records as cheap if not cheaper than a pressing. Jock Mitchell boot recently sold for £110. You could buy most of Tyrone Davis back catalogue for that. You can certainly buy 11 records at a tenner each more than good enough for a northern soul venue. It's lazy collecting and a sorry excuse for collecting and playing pressings. 9
Guest Soultown andy Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 (edited) Couldnt agree more a lot of these young djs are startin djin years to early and being encouraged to do so by misguided peeps who should know better.Rather than spinnin boots of genuine classic rare oldies etc as chalky says they should be building there collections from the thousands of cheap motown and good soul dancers easily available.They would do a lot worse than checkin out the sales sections on here ,des parker pete smith etc regularly have great cheapies for sale. Edited December 30, 2012 by Soultown andy
Guest Droylsdonian Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 Easy with hindsight, but not when you hadn't enough money to get there or back! It wasn't laziness, just pure ignorance& poverty. Perhaps you expect too much of a (then) 15 y/o, which is what I'm talking about.
Popular Post Chalky Posted December 30, 2012 Popular Post Posted December 30, 2012 Easy with hindsight, but not when you hadn't enough money to get there or back! It wasn't laziness, just pure ignorance& poverty. Perhaps you expect too much of a (then) 15 y/o, which is what I'm talking about. It is nothing to do with hindsight, it's nothing to do with poverty. If you could afford a pressing you could afford an original. It might not have been the big ticket item but you could afford many a good original for the cost of a pressing. They were there when you had no money, they are still there now, you just didn't and most still don't look, like you say ignorance. You have to remember many walked home, cadged a lift home, knicked a car, jumped the train cause they had no money. As said build your collection slowly, trouble today everyone wants everything there and then rather than work at it, same with knowledge and information. Every thing is there for you, you just have to look. No one will look down on anyone for buying cheap records, the opposite in fact, you will get more respect for it than buying a pressing. 4
Guest Droylsdonian Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 So I didn't look. OK, accepted. As I got a few bob, I replaced the boots wid originals. But whatever was so wrong wid a young lad buying pressings?
Guest blackbeesoulclub Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 Not being funny, but it really bugs me when people just play boots and re-issues. When I started to collect I didnt know any different until a few people took me under their wing and showed me the way and got me excited about actually digging and finding the rare records, I sold petty much all of my boots to then fund my original collection. You can buy most re-issues without any problems off ebay, where is the joy in doing that? I would rather have 100 top quality Northern records than a thousand boots any day. And when people come up and check that your playing OVO, it gives me a buzz when they walk off proved wrong, or it will spark a great conversation about the rarity or the label or the artist instead of a smirk and walking off when they realise its just a boot. I play out at a lot of venues and the promoters are always strict on OVO, a lot of people will never get to DJ at certain places unless they change the collection they have. I fully agree that it is extremely expensive, but if its something that you are serious about then it shouldn't matter, should it? You will find the money from somewhere. If I see another DJ who plays boots and re-issues I always try and inspire them to start collecting original, how much more it will mean to them in the long run. On a whole, Northern Soul is a massively expensive scene to be involved in, the clothes, the records, the constant 3 nights out at the weekends...but hey, what else are you going to do...work hard play harder! Its down to us to keep this going in the end...we have to keep the disciplines.
Chalky Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 There's nothing wrong with buy pressings or boots. What was wrong was the reasons you gave for buying them in the first place. Look I'm not knocking you or having a go, I'm simply dispelling the myth that no one can afford originals with little money.
Guest Droylsdonian Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 Absolute bollocks, mate. The reason I gave was that I couldn't afford originals of THE SOUNDS I WANTED. Yeah, sure, I could have bought originals of other sounds; but that isn't the point, is it?
Chalky Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 Absolute bollocks, mate. The reason I gave was that I couldn't afford originals of THE SOUNDS I WANTED. Yeah, sure, I could have bought originals of other sounds; but that isn't the point, is it? You said "If it wasn't for pressings you wouldn't have been able to play any northern soul as a kid" not want you said above, you should say what you mean the first place.
barney Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 once again the OVO brigade or should I say those who have a vested interest in perpetuating the myth that only OV is acceptable . have said before its what comes out of the speakers that counts , the collecting of OVO is stamp collecting with sound , insisting that a dj can only play ovo is just a ploy to exclude young people and those of limited means especially women from dj,ing and that the fat balding and over 50s boys can keep their monopoly : )
Guest Soultown andy Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 once again the OVO brigade or should I say those who have a vested interest in perpetuating the myth that only OV is acceptable . have said before its what comes out of the speakers that counts , the collecting of OVO is stamp collecting with sound , insisting that a dj can only play ovo is just a ploy to exclude young people and those of limited means especially women from dj,ing and that the fat balding and over 50s boys can keep their monopoly : ) And there you have it,no matter how some try to keep the scene together [oldies rare underplayed etc] the blind leading the blind.
Chalky Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 once again the OVO brigade or should I say those who have a vested interest in perpetuating the myth that only OV is acceptable . have said before its what comes out of the speakers that counts , the collecting of OVO is stamp collecting with sound , insisting that a dj can only play ovo is just a ploy to exclude young people and those of limited means especially women from dj,ing and that the fat balding and over 50s boys can keep their monopoly : ) Read the topic before comng out with such crap, the young promoters taking part in the topic insist on original vinyl. As for limited means he youngsters probably have more disposable income. As Andy said blind leading the blind.
Guest Droylsdonian Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 Exclusivity - in terms of OVO or having been an original @ a venue - will kill the whole lot. The commercial interests are back, now the scene has started to re-establish itself. I was an original, from 14, but I'd rather it carried on than my place in it all being acknowledged. At a back of a fag packet estimate, 80% of all 45s sold at WC were illegit. It is time some myths were dispelled.
Realpeoplesmusic Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 (edited) once again the OVO brigade or should I say those who have a vested interest in perpetuating the myth that only OV is acceptable . have said before its what comes out of the speakers that counts , the collecting of OVO is stamp collecting with sound , insisting that a dj can only play ovo is just a ploy to exclude young people and those of limited means especially women from dj,ing and that the fat balding and over 50s boys can keep their monopoly : ) It's no Myth it's just how it is. It's part of the culture and how you get to develop a knowledge of soul music & Black American sounds. There are plenty of underplayed records as chalky has mentioned you can pick up for the price of a boot. It might not be a 2k floor filler but they will come if you want them badly enough. I'm interested what you mean by your comment 'especially women'? Records are there for everyone especially with eBay and the internet, it's exciting hunting down new sounds or finding a record that you have been after for years. If everyone just went out and bought a pressing then it would lose its fun and appeal IMO. Anyway slightly off topic, from what I can gather is that there are young people getting into soul music and they all prefer OVO Callum Edited December 30, 2012 by callum_64 2
Guest Soultown andy Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 Exclusivity - in terms of OVO or having been an original @ a venue - will kill the whole lot. The commercial interests are back, now the scene has started to re-establish itself. I was an original, from 14, but I'd rather it carried on than my place in it all being acknowledged. At a back of a fag packet estimate, 80% of all 45s sold at WC were illegit. It is time some myths were dispelled. Utter nonsense its this last couple of years with the emergence of hundreds of djs who carry their entire collection in 2 boxs,2 dj at their m8s new club that will kill the scene.
Guest Bearsy Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 I personally think there will be less youngsters on the scene in 5 years than there is now, there ain't any I can think of in the South and definitely no young collectors in the South I can think of, women/men, work, too many events meaning half empty venues and mostly filled with old codgers old enough to be there grandparents dancing round zimmer frames and also not getting dj spots will end many a youngsters involvement in the scene as the value of their tunes will become an issue when no one to play them too and a new car or deposit for a house or holiday, wedding, honeymoon or even a boob job for the missus will probably force them to think of selling as we all know your never happy with what you got there is always another want and them wants just don't seem to come cheap nowadays. The music is slowing down and I've even noticed a lot of soulies (recent returnees) are starting to get bored again as the music in general ain't changing and won't cos nostalgia in the main still rules, will these youngsters be able to keep it fresh and mix it up or will the same old same old keep getting played and if so how long will it be before many get bored ?? Personally I hope I'm wrong and more and more youngsters get involved and keep the scene alive playing OVO for many more years to come as I feel they do bring an innocent freshness and without the baggage of not being there back in the day so every tune is new to them wether a classic and oldie a newie a rare tune a cheapie etc etc etc its just brilliant music to dance too. I just hope that they do their own thing and realise there is a future for the music not just a history ...... Ps, have an open mind and ears as there is a hell of a lot of great music out there still not known by the masses and cheap all you got to do is look ;-)
Guest dundeedavie Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 once again the OVO brigade or should I say those who have a vested interest in perpetuating the myth that only OV is acceptable . have said before its what comes out of the speakers that counts , the collecting of OVO is stamp collecting with sound , insisting that a dj can only play ovo is just a ploy to exclude young people and those of limited means especially women from dj,ing and that the fat balding and over 50s boys can keep their monopoly : ) I've been here a number of years and this post wins for the biggest load of horseshit I have ever read
Guest Bearsy Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 once again the OVO brigade or should I say those who have a vested interest in perpetuating the myth that only OV is acceptable . have said before its what comes out of the speakers that counts , the collecting of OVO is stamp collecting with sound , insisting that a dj can only play ovo is just a ploy to exclude young people and those of limited means especially women from dj,ing and that the fat balding and over 50s boys can keep their monopoly : ) How on earth is OVO a ploy to exclude young people and especially women ?? That has to be the biggest load of bolox I have ever read on this site, I'm truly shocked or your the best wind up merchant I've ever had the privilege to come accross .....
barney Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 Read the topic before comng out with such crap, the young promoters taking part in the topic insist on original vinyl. As for limited means he youngsters probably have more disposable income. As Andy said blind leading the blind. I aint blind and as for young promoters yes theres legions of them , my arse, same for young dj,s, the ones I know have limited means and cant afford to pay the asking rate for their wants lists , as for those doing their best dont make me laugh , there are now more politics and backstabbing in the scene than ever , wobetide anyone who challenges the status quo , the soul police are alive and well : )
Ceejay Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 (edited) once again the OVO brigade or should I say those who have a vested interest in perpetuating the myth that only OV is acceptable . have said before its what comes out of the speakers that counts , the collecting of OVO is stamp collecting with sound , insisting that a dj can only play ovo is just a ploy to exclude young people and those of limited means especially women from dj,ing and that the fat balding and over 50s boys can keep their monopoly : ) WAS WONDERING HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE.........................FOR THE RECORD THOUGH, THIS POST HAS GIVEN ME THE BEST LAUGH I'VE HAD IN AGES!!! :lol: P.S. I'm not fat or bald ,I am over 50, collect original vinyl................and the last time I looked I was a woman!!! Edited December 30, 2012 by Carol J 3
Pete Eccles Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 same for young dj,s, the ones I know have limited means and cant afford to pay the asking rate for their wants lists , I will never be as well off as I was when I worked full time and paid me mam a few bob for my keep, ever since then it's been a case of 'limited means', not saying all the 'youngsters' are still 'at home' but everyone has differing means for various reasons,
Guest Soultown andy Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 I aint blind and as for young promoters yes theres legions of them , my arse, same for young dj,s, the ones I know have limited means and cant afford to pay the asking rate for their wants lists , as for those doing their best dont make me laugh , there are now more politics and backstabbing in the scene than ever , wobetide anyone who challenges the status quo , the soul police are alive and well : ) We,ve always had young djs women djs and everyone else at major nighters weekenders etc im involved in,and so have many other promoters on here.So it might make you and the only what we want crowd laugh,but blind you are.
barney Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 It's no Myth it's just how it is. It's part of the culture and how you get to develop a knowledge of soul music & Black American sounds. There are plenty of underplayed records as chalky has mentioned you can pick up for the price of a boot. It might not be a 2k floor filler but they will come if you want them badly enough. I'm interested what you mean by your comment 'especially women'? Records are there for everyone especially with eBay and the internet, it's exciting hunting down new sounds or finding a record that you have been after for years. If everyone just went out and bought a pressing then it would lose its fun and appeal IMO. Anyway slightly off topic, from what I can gather is that there are young people getting into soul music and they all prefer OVO Callum yes the records are there for everyone provided you have the money to buy them , know of a few people who have spent beyond their means and have suffered has a consequence of trying to fullfill their collections , the few women I know who collect dont go for the big ticket records they have more modest ambitions and usually have other considerations with blokes its a form of dick waving especially those established players , think there was a thread on here not long since where it was suggested that to be a name on the scene you needed a box worth at least £10,000 to be able to compete and play out ,ffs
Guest Bearsy Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 yes the records are there for everyone provided you have the money to buy them , know of a few people who have spent beyond their means and have suffered has a consequence of trying to fullfill their collections , the few women I know who collect dont go for the big ticket records they have more modest ambitions and usually have other considerations with blokes its a form of dick waving especially those established players , think there was a thread on here not long since where it was suggested that to be a name on the scene you needed a box worth at least £10,000 to be able to compete and play out ,ffs There has also been threads on here in the past about a set you could play that costs about a weeks wage in today's money that had plenty of comments and all comments were positive, there will always be willy wavers in life I will never be one as mine is too small but if I had a biggun I would certainly show it off. Have you ever noticed the amount of women with large breasts that love to flash a cleavage when for many a nice small pert pair are just as good to look at if not better sometimes. ;-)
barney Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 WAS WONDERING HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE.........................FOR THE RECORD THOUGH, THIS POST HAS GIVEN ME THE BEST LAUGH I'VE HAD IN AGES!!! :lol: P.S. I'm not fat or bald ,I am over 50, collect original vinyl................and the last time I looked I was a woman!!! women account for approx 50% of those who go to soul nights . niters w/ends etc , what would you say the percentage of women dj,s is or promoters
Pete Eccles Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 There has also been threads on here in the past about a set you could play that costs about a weeks wage in today's money that had plenty of comments and all comments were positive, there will always be willy wavers in life I will never be one as mine is too small but if I had a biggun I would certainly show it off. Have you ever noticed the amount of women with large breasts that love to flash a cleavage when for many a nice small pert pair are just as good to look at if not better sometimes. ;-)
Premium Stuff Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 This thread finally seems to be reaching it's true potential :lol: :lol: Cheers Richard 1
Guest Soultown andy Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 This thread finally seems to be reaching it's true potential :lol: :lol: Cheers Richard Because its xmas and goodwill to all men and women .
Ceejay Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 women account for approx 50% of those who go to soul nights . niters w/ends etc , what would you say the percentage of women dj,s is or promoters Wouldn't like to hazard a guess but plenty of female DJ's about......................... it was the 'ploy' part of your post that I found funny
Guest gordon russell Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 It is nothing to do with hindsight, it's nothing to do with poverty. If you could afford a pressing you could afford an original. It might not have been the big ticket item but you could afford many a good original for the cost of a pressing. They were there when you had no money, they are still there now, you just didn't and most still don't look, like you say ignorance. You have to remember many walked home, cadged a lift home, knicked a car, jumped the train cause they had no money. As said build your collection slowly, trouble today everyone wants everything there and then rather than work at it, same with knowledge and information. Every thing is there for you, you just have to look. No one will look down on anyone for buying cheap records, the opposite in fact, you will get more respect for it than buying a pressing. too right chalky......bought the tomangos for £20 mel britt £10....ect ect lol
barney Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 well if you are young and work for minimum wage in a call centre then a weeks wage aint gunna buy much .wherehas I probably earn a lot more , my nephew gets less a month than I get for a week if I work the weekend
barney Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 Wouldn't like to hazard a guess but plenty of female DJ's about......................... it was the 'ploy' part of your post that I found funny was priveliged last night to attend a soul night where 50% of the dj,s were women and they both played great spots .one resident the other a guest , but think that was the first ever .so things may be improving , and its nice to see and hear from a woman on here who is a dedicated collector .: )
Pete Eccles Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 well if you are young and work for minimum wage in a call centre then a weeks wage aint gunna buy much .wherehas I probably earn a lot more , my nephew gets less a month than I get for a week if I work the weekend And my niece earns more in a week than I earn in a month, it's always been the same, different folks earn different salaries, have different expenses, If you wanna take up fishing and want the best tackle, the shop owner won't give you a discount for working in a call centre, it costs what it costs, I would love a Flash McKinlay, will probably never have one, but get by quite comfortably without one,
Chalky Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 well if you are young and work for minimum wage in a call centre then a weeks wage aint gunna buy much .wherehas I probably earn a lot more , my nephew gets less a month than I get for a week if I work the weekend Are you a comedian or summat? There's plenty of old uns who work for the minimum wage with kids with a mortgage.
barney Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 Wouldn't like to hazard a guess but plenty of female DJ's about......................... it was the 'ploy' part of your post that I found funny the ploy was to draw them out and it as partially succeeded , am just challenging the status quo , would love to see a lot more young people and women dj,ing , but obviously you need to have the wherewithall to get the records and you have to break the old boy network to get in .but theres none so blind as those that dont care to look or as deaf as those who wont listen : )
Chalky Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 was priveliged last night to attend a soul night where 50% of the dj,s were women and they both played great spots .one resident the other a guest , but think that was the first ever .so things may be improving , and its nice to see and hear from a woman on here who is a dedicated collector .: ) The likes of the 100 Club has featured an all female line up several times. It even had a female resident at one time. Plenty of venues featuring female DJs.
Guest drewid Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 once again the OVO brigade or should I say those who have a vested interest in perpetuating the myth that only OV is acceptable . have said before its what comes out of the speakers that counts , the collecting of OVO is stamp collecting with sound , insisting that a dj can only play ovo is just a ploy to exclude young people and those of limited means especially women from dj,ing and that the fat balding and over 50s boys can keep their monopoly : )
barney Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 Are you a comedian or summat? There's plenty of old uns who work for the minimum wage with kids with a mortgage. dont think its funny at all chalky but you spin it how you want , the facts are you have been in this for yonks and have the records .
Guest Soultown andy Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 Maria willingham jumpin joan jo wallace carol mcarthy joan taylor,plenty more female dj members on here i dont personaly know all dj very regularly.Maybe you should get out more.
barney Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 The likes of the 100 Club has featured an all female line up several times. It even had a female resident at one time. Plenty of venues featuring female DJs. it even had a female resident at one time ffs
Guest drewid Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 (edited) Rubbish , what next , start playing gold mine CDs etc utter tripe mate if you haven't got the ov go out and get it , doesn't have to be a big oldie get digging and find stuff , what about the bloody integrity of it all. This is to barney by the way Edited December 30, 2012 by drewid
Premium Stuff Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 it even had a female resident at one time ffs What is that supposed to mean Barney? Cheers Richard
Popular Post Chalky Posted December 30, 2012 Popular Post Posted December 30, 2012 dont think its funny at all chalky but you spin it how you want , the facts are you have been in this for yonks and have the records . I don't have the records you think I have, I'm on my third collection for one reason or another and I certainly can't afford expensive records. I've always championed cheap records in my sets. I believe there's nothing worse than hearing set after set of records that are out of the reach of the ordinary collector. And many of those who have been at it yonks and have the collections have worked hard to get that collection, just like I have, not just thrown money at it like many wrongly assume. 5
barney Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 Maria willingham jumpin joan jo wallace carol mcarthy joan taylor,plenty more female dj members on here i dont personaly know all dj very regularly.Maybe you should get out more. theres a lot more can be added to those but as a percentage would you guestimate 50% 40% 30% 20% 10% of dj,s are female then what about those say under 25
barney Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 What is that supposed to mean Barney? Cheers Richard it means it used to have a female resident dj but doesnt have one now , probably because they would sooner have a male : )
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