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I`m just rekindling my love of Northern Soul at the age of 53 and I`m not actually worried about the number of youngsters involved in the music - just interested is all. This was my first post and probably my last - I don`t need the sarcasm.

Don't worry mate - we like a bit of sarcasm on here (myself included) - just rise above it and keep posting :thumbsup:

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Richard

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Chalks

So you wouldn't have used the internet?

Did the old boys start saying the scene was dead when American imports flooded the scene..........did the old boys start saying the scene was dead when 70t's started been played..........well yes they did but as we well know it's still here today.I just seem to get the feeling it's got to be the same as we had it or in some way it'll be a lesser scene...........I hope the youngsters do make it there own & they get as much enjoyment out out it I have.

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Martyn

They did say the scene was dead when the Mecca went disco.And there was no internet when i first got the bug to go to niters,which was before the 80's doldrum years.

I think you young un's are a good thing.Anyone under 40 is a blessing,under 30 and i feel old.

Sorry off topic but had to be said.

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Great to see that there are younger people coming into the scene....but just a question to them...do you stay local, are you prepared to travel and do you do allnighters? Really hope it's a yes to my last 2 questions.

yes l do go to nighters and will travel

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I`m just rekindling my love of Northern Soul at the age of 53 and I`m not actually worried about the number of youngsters involved in the music - just interested is all. This was my first post and probably my last - I don`t need the sarcasm.

i wasnt being sarcastic, just wondering why after 31 years you decide to go back to a soul event and ask whether it is going to continue
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Chalks

So you wouldn't have used the internet?

Did the old boys start saying the scene was dead when American imports flooded the scene..........did the old boys start saying the scene was dead when 70t's started been played..........well yes they did but as we well know it's still here today.I just seem to get the feeling it's got to be the same as we had it or in some way it'll be a lesser scene...........I hope the youngsters do make it there own & they get as much enjoyment out out it I have.

Cheers

Martyn

Well said martyn,I started off back in 72 age 13 listening to all the older guys records, It was either that or glam rock at the time "no contest", casino at 15,big room, then discoverd that new sounds were more prolific in mr m's, tried mecca but too much disco being called northern, 79 after joining army, living in germany, discoverd the rare soul scene over there, Or was it i'd discoverd popcorn,r&b,Doo wop,etc where most of the scene had origanly come from, Afew years later in mid 80's i discoverd 100 club and they were playing all the stuff i had been hearing in germany pluss more, The story continuies with scooter scene in mid life crisis to the present day.

Age 54 now and now attending events and buying original vinyl, my opinion is that there are loads of younger people getting access to northern in it's evolved state due to it getting tv, film and advertising media usage ,

I say "NEVER GIVE UP IT'S NOT DEAD YET"

Garry Huxley

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Well said martyn,I started off back in 72 age 13 listening to all the older guys records, It was either that or glam rock at the time "no contest", casino at 15,big room, then discoverd that new sounds were more prolific in mr m's, tried mecca but too much disco being called northern, 79 after joining army, living in germany, discoverd the rare soul scene over there, Or was it i'd discoverd popcorn,r&b,Doo wop,etc where most of the scene had origanly come from, Afew years later in mid 80's i discoverd 100 club and they were playing all the stuff i had been hearing in germany pluss more, The story continuies with scooter scene in mid life crisis to the present day.

Age 54 now and now attending events and buying original vinyl, my opinion is that there are loads of younger people getting access to northern in it's evolved state due to it getting tv, film and advertising media usage ,

I say "NEVER GIVE UP IT'S NOT DEAD YET"

Garry Huxley

Garry

Not sure were you are in the country but with that CV I'm sure you'd love both Empty Bottles & Driving Beat in Leeds.You'll hear some awesome stuff played by some really passionate younger dj's,another element of there night's I love is the age ranges attending from young 20 something's up to us old farts(& older) & every thing in-between.I don't mind admitting it I find there enthusiasm infectious & it reminds me what fun you can have & not to take it to serious like we used be.

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Martyn

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i wasnt being sarcastic, just wondering why after 31 years you decide to go back to a soul event and ask whether it is going to continue

Fair enough. I guess like a lot of people other demands on my time etc. have meant my record collection languished in the back of the wardrobe. I recently decided to get them out and see if the appeal of long ago was still there, and it was! I live in Cheltenham and it seems there are quite a few options to go along to Soul nights, which I`m going to do. Not sure if I`d last an Allnighter though! I don`t have a problem about being a 53 year old attending these do`s - just want to hear sounds of old under atmosphere. I guess I`m expecting to be a complete mix of ages, but I was curious and hopeful that there will be young blood which the Northern Soul scene needs to continue in some way or other.

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Garry

Not sure were you are in the country but with that CV I'm sure you'd love both Empty Bottles & Driving Beat in Leeds.You'll hear some awesome stuff played by some really passionate younger dj's,another element of there night's I love is the age ranges attending from young 20 something's up to us old farts(& older) & every thing in-between.I don't mind admitting it I find there enthusiasm infectious & it reminds me what fun you can have & not to take it to serious like we used be.

Cheers

Martyn

Hey Martyn, I'm in Wellingborough Northants, Originaly whitchurch Shropshire, DJ'd at alldayer age 15, Gotta say that in my time ive heard so many sounds both superb and rubbish, but thats only an opinion, Every person attending cannot dance to all played without chemical enhancement and when the dance floor is empty as no one's heard it before, ((((JUST WATCH THE TOES TAPPIN)))

Tomorrow's sounds are the way forward, in that i think they are the forgotten, undiscoverd, new releases, etc, I just heard joss stone pillow talk, cover of the 70's sylvia classic soul.

Im gonna be spinning some across the board undrr played at Lens Den , Soul in the bowl Rushden Northants NN10 6AN 12 Jan 2013,

My first spot in 15yrs and nothing like the last one. Lenny was an influence that got me back into the scene as he was playing allthose stafford & morecombe tunes that have been forgotten since. (LENNY WAS A YOUNG BOY AT THE TIME)

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Gordon,you are not a youngster anymore.Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings.Merry Christmas btw.

merry xmas to you and your confederates...........maybe see you at garry farringtons 65th b/party?.......hope saying happy xmas dosn,t break the off topic rule :D

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If there are no new 'collectors' then sooner or later the 'value' of these records will fall (simply supply & demand). when the time comes can all you 'collectors' just make sure they fall into the hands of someone who realises they are not replaceable - it would be good to think that even if the scene dies for a few decades that the opportunity is still there for it to be re-discovered (in 30, 50 or whatever years....) along with the ov.

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Me and my friends travel up and down the country for soul nights and all nighters, DJ'ing, promoting and first and foremost i am a dancer.

There is in excess of 50 of us that travel around together in dribs and drabs from Black Bee Soul Club in Manchester and The Wigan Young Souls from Wigan. We are a small soul army and love the music and dancing.

I am 29 now, so don't class myself as 'young' so much anymore. I have met some of the best and knowledgeable DJ's and collectors who have taken the time and effort to pass on knowledge and advice to help me with records specifically.

When playing out its OVO and nothing else, I have spent thousands and thousands this year on records which are my pride and joy and get played out everywhere. Hunting every day for that elusive record.

I say come along to Black Bee and you will be amazed. We have a large younger and original soulie following, I liken it to a family as everyone helps out if things go wrong and it brings a tear to my eye seeing all these people pulling together to help out to make each night a success.

As Nige Brown and Sean Chapman said when they came along on the 14th. "This is how it used to be for me in the early 70's, just a small sweaty club and some gritty soul music, it takes me right back!"

So, yeah there is plenty of action from the Greater Manchester Soul Crew and we will try to keep that flame burning for years to come.

All the best

Paul Bailey

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I`m just rekindling my love of Northern Soul at the age of 53 and I`m not actually worried about the number of youngsters involved in the music - just interested is all. This was my first post and probably my last - I don`t need the sarcasm.

Carry on posting it gets better with age trust me :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

atb Kev

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As a 57 year old I have visited both Wigan Young Souls and Blackbee and anyone with any doubt of younger soulies attending events would have the squashed if they attend either of these events. Its so uplifting to see how the young souls and older souls interact. We attend nighters and events all over the country and quite often some of the younger soulies accompany us, they are a great bunch of guys n gals so friendly to get on with and so passionate about the're music

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Yes to the original question, just not in this country. The Japanese and Chinese scenes are young affluent and buying up most of the rare stuff they can find. In this country I think our society it's too fragmented to support any kind of youth subculture, like we had in the past, be it northern mod skinhead, unless there is a northern soul xbox game coming out?

agree with Martyn though, them few nights in Leeds are northern soul nirvana.

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the scene ( if i can continue to use that word :g: ) may well go underground again , to smaller clubs .. but that does not say it will die , its just changed from those days of massive dancehalls full of people EVERY week .. having said that it may well rise gain to something close for a while ... the tide comes and goes with eveything in life ..

Susan and myself have quite a lot of contact with these "younger" people .. embrace them and they will embrace you back ten fold .. we went along to the first night at Highfields wigan ... some coming in said , "hmmm, not stopping here its like a youth club" and off they went .. those that stayed had brilliant night and had a real bonding with the "young souls" as they have become known. Blackbee is another night we support whenever we can .. great friends and younger people with a vision ..

the new film coming along next year is looking so very , very good , and will be a shot in the arm for the movement (scene) ... course some will say no !!! please we don't need em ! ... there will be wheat and chaf that will come along after .. but the wheat will make the bread that we eat for what i hope will be many years to come .( it will do us all well to remember, bread comes in all variations......and different wrappers ! :wink: )

pete n' susan xx

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I can understand why young people would have a passing interest in Northern due to the vintage vinyl aspect of the whole thing but that would be it.... If i was in my 20's the last place i'd want to go is a club with an average age heading over 50. I mean for christs sake I feel young and i'm 41!!

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Can I just wish the original poster a merry Christmas too and say sorry for getting on the soap box without acknowledging that you are new to this forum and just trying to start up a reasonable conversation , you have had a birth of much debate and I think a little envy from those that are now facing the fifty shades of old lol

Welcome :hatsoff2: to SS

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Dj,ed at the monaco last night very well attended by the younger end,and some very enthusiastic and good dancers amongst them there were to.I just wish they would drop the dressin like my dad clobber,but each to there own.

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Don't think we can expect too many youngsters too travel with the cost of passing your test and running a car today!!....could be the reason there are more in the big cities and hot spots like the nw

as far as the mid 80s goes...the scene may have been dead but northern soul wasn't!...5-10000 scooterists on rallies with alters and live acts like Edwin,Mary wells,jj Barnes,Eddie holma an etc...not all into northern but most were....and we weren't mod either!!!!!

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agree 100% with soultown andys comments, as with the NW being a hot spot for venues yes it is,but also the East Midds.and Yorkshire have alot of well attended events,and it is expensive now if your travelling any distance,but where theres a will theres a way !! Like us old gits got Wigan-Euston London for £24 rtn so we can go 100 club,!!! just be interesting to see where it all goes in the years to come,would be nice to keep this music going.

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I looked through a load of old Echoes mags from.the eighties yesterday and there was a lot of events on including some that advertised oldies and newies in the same room....shock horror along with oldies only events soul nights etc.I even found a flyer for the all night club of Great Britain Redcar 1985 scooter rally do advertising Hear sounds like Elbie Parker,The Pockets,The Present etc etc..northern on scooter rallies now is a local dj with a boxfull of boots...I recently attended a soul night last week and heard Tommy Navarro played....the sound was terrible....looked at the record and it was a carver and the dj told me what do you expect its 40 years old! ..more like 40 days...what part of KTF do they not understand.Hopefully the youngsters will find their own way after it has shrinked again...The Wheel may even come round and they take it back to uptempo sixties soul music discovering all the music that is now ignored....

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Have to agree Joan, had to work hard at it back in the 80's without the internet and countless guides telling you what to do. Now everyone simply wants to be told everything or google it. Like you I wouldn't have had it any other way, loved every minute.

Like you ,prefered internetless word of mouth .
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I looked through a load of old Echoes mags from.the eighties yesterday and there was a lot of events on including some that advertised oldies and newies in the same room....shock horror along with oldies only events soul nights etc.I even found a flyer for the all night club of Great Britain Redcar 1985 scooter rally do advertising Hear sounds like Elbie Parker,The Pockets,The Present etc etc..northern on scooter rallies now is a local dj with a boxfull of boots...I recently attended a soul night last week and heard Tommy Navarro played....the sound was terrible....looked at the record and it was a carver and the dj told me what do you expect its 40 years old! ..more like 40 days...what part of KTF do they not understand.Hopefully the youngsters will find their own way after it has shrinked again...The Wheel may even come round and they take it back to uptempo sixties soul music discovering all the music that is now ignored....

Not all the northern at rallies are a box of boots by a local dj,southport june rally 2 full nighters excellent sound system 5 ovo djs who bettween us have dj,ed allover the uk and abroad.You could hardly describe ged parker and ian wills as local djs with a box of boots,but from now on i will :D ,a very healthy younger end at this rally as well,just to keep it on thread :wink: .

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As Chalky said, nighters on every weekend in the 80s. I guess some would have you think the scene was dead as they were not there and many decided the scene was no longer for them.

Do a search on here, there's a list of nighters that was happening in the 80s that would make your eyes water.

But back on thread. It's encouraging to know that younger soul heads are starting their own nights, personally if I was them I wouldn't want to be around duffers like us :)

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Don't think we can expect too many youngsters too travel with the cost of passing your test and running a car today!!....could be the reason there are more in the big cities and hot spots like the nw

as far as the mid 80s goes...the scene may have been dead but northern soul wasn't!...5-10000 scooterists on rallies with alters and live acts like Edwin,Mary wells,jj Barnes,Eddie holma an etc...not all into northern but most were....and we weren't mod either!!!!!

Don't think we can expect too many youngsters too travel with the cost of passing your test and running a car today!!....could be the reason there are more in the big cities and hot spots like the nw

as far as the mid 80s goes...the scene may have been dead but northern soul wasn't!...5-10000 scooterists on rallies with alters and live acts like Edwin,Mary wells,jj Barnes,Eddie holma an etc...not all into northern but most were....and we weren't mod either!!!!!

Not many had cars back then either,jumping trains and hitch hiking and car pinching was the main route apart frnm couches for a lot of folk,I dont reccomend it now though of course to younger folk as a means to travel minus car costs,nor to more longer lived among us either,I certainly woulidnt want to drop over that wall at sheffield station ever again if samanthas has a revival nighter,ow me ankles!,or jump multiple trains to wigan or hitch hike and travel through parts of this land that time forgot before getting to the all nighter,but I am glad I did it,Anyone that did have a car seemed to have it packed to the limit(or maybe that was the ones that had been "borrowed",by people along the way.Country roads,the actual not the record,back then could look pretty desolute and other wordly when you are stuck out in the middle of no where after being up three nights and done two all nighters and have then been dropped off by one of a number of lifts it takes to get homeIfeeling like "I aint going nowhere", guess thats something I wouldnt be doing again ,hitch hiking that is,unless my transport broke down in the middle of places time forgot,lightning struck trees,fields stretching into the distance,no sign of human life,etc it seems all to dangerous an enterprise these days to hitch hike anywhere.Again I am glad I did it because of all the good times and laughs invoved in many tales some to be told in public others maybe not,all part of the scene though.atb manus. Edited by manusf3a
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Most youngsters that are around do not travel, that is a fact. The youngsters are in the main in large cities with say a university, Manchester, London. They tend to stay local and certainly don't go to all-nighters in number large enough to keep the all-nighter scene going. I doubt these youngsters will support their own local scene when they grow up a bit and work, mortgage and family pressures come to the fore.

I am young and I travel even though I have not been anywhere in a while but I do try and support my local scene saying that I agree that not many youngsters do travel far to nighters I wish they did!

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Outside of Manchester there is a really strong and young mod/soul scene. Some big ticket records in with those guys too, but as I said at the very top of the thread, I don't think there is enough young people coming through to sustain the level we have now...or maybe there is too much currently going on, and after some years it'll be reduced down to maybe 1 big night per city per month like in europe.

It'll also require those getting into it now to have progressive ears and listen to rare/underplayed and equally, the young, rare scene to embrace oldies - they defo won't survive apart from one another...in my opinion.

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Dj,ed at the monaco last night very well attended by the younger end,and some very enthusiastic and good dancers amongst them there were to.I just wish they would drop the dressin like my dad clobber,but each to there own.

I was there as well spoke with some of them for a time and they seemed very nice clued up youngens and think that they look well in their baggies no vests though , and they were all dancers , long may they continue

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I was there as well spoke with some of them for a time and they seemed very nice clued up youngens and think that they look well in their baggies no vests though , and they were all dancers , long may they continue

Maybe they could lengthen their baggies a bit then,it looked like the cat had died with em at half mast :D .Seriously thou they seem well into their soul and are enjoying themselves,which is good for the scene imho.

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If memory serves the script was ...

- wind your neck in and keep a low profile, you're nobody in the greater scheme and no one gives a f*ck who you are, what you think, do etc

- Turn up anywhere and everywhere possible using whatever means possible

- Get as broad an overview as you can about what's what, what you do and don't do. Get out and about beyond your local comfort zone

- Work out what you think you're into and why - but be prepared for that to change beyond all recognition (you'll look back and think 'what a knob' at some stage)

- Dodge scary people until you pluck up enough courage to speak to the odd one ... eventually. You'll feel safer knowing the odd nutter

- Speak to people who know what's what once you've plucked up courage to look through a box, some of them might even look after you record-wise but you'll drop b*llocks and look an ass along the way for sure

- Have no aspirations whatsoever about dj-ing for at least 20 years, if ever

- Accept that you'll never have any bloody money

- Draft a pre-nup making clear that you'll continue to be a freak, stay out til all hours with other like-minded freaks and spend every spare penny on daft records (if s/he won't sign ditch em)

- Laugh and dance as much as possible, sweat you nads off, lose yourself and find that place that only those who really get it go to

Looking back, wtf would you lol????There's only the last bit really but if you get there you'll know immediately that all the other sh*t is absolutely, totally and utterly worth it.

atb

Phil

ps. Then spend the rest of your life trying to find it again, sounding like your dad, and being p*ssed off when you can't. There's nowt like it

Fantastic post with you on every word Phil

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they seemed very nice clued up youngens and think that they look well in their baggies

If only the same could be said for all those 'pensioners' there who feel the need to dress up in what are getting increasingly bizarre period costumes......

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If only the same could be said for all those 'pensioners' there who feel the need to dress up in what are getting increasingly bizarre period costumes......

each to their own I say, dont wear the baggies dont look good on fat blokes :yes:

but one shouldnt critiscise other people for their attire IMHO, its a matter of personal choice end of.

same with music I dont care for the disco thats creeping in but hey ho people dance to it ffs :hatsoff2:

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Can I just wish the original poster a merry Christmas too and say sorry for getting on the soap box without acknowledging that you are new to this forum and just trying to start up a reasonable conversation , you have had a birth of much debate and I think a little envy from those that are now facing the fifty shades of old lol

Welcome :hatsoff2: to SS

Thank you - much appreciated, Although I`ve a reasonable record collection and did what everyone else did back in the day, I think I`ll be a bit more selective on what threads I start or contribute to. Merry Christmas and have a great 2013.

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there are youngsters coming into the scene in drips and drabs,the film may provide a much needed injection of youthfull blood,casper is spot on in his posts,can i say stop knocking them for wanting to wear retro-who are we to criticise?.most of us wore retro at some point-yes even the 70s fashion got its influence from other era's.some of these kids are mods,skins,suedeheads,40s,rockabilly,aswell as trad soulies,it makes the scene far more interesting with them in it wearing their clothes,than a room full of primark or next manikins.

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can i say stop knocking them for wanting to wear retro-who are we to criticise?.most of us wore retro at some point-yes even the 70s fashion got its influence from other era's.some of these kids are mods,skins,suedeheads,40s,rockabilly,aswell as trad soulies,it makes the scene far more interesting with them in it wearing their clothes,than a room full of primark or next manikins.

I'll admit that a full head of hair, a flat stomach and a set of 'pins' that don't look like a piece of prime Stilton makes the clothes look a tad better but why oh why does someone in their 50's feel the need to dress up like we're still living in the 3-day-week?.

It's fair to say much of the scene is now little more than a retro disco for 50-somethings and that I assume people see the dressing up as part of this - trouble is we're now getting past 'Retro' and getting into the realms of parody with these ever increasingly bizarre outfits that some seem to be wearing, Looking through the galley pic's see's outfits that would have looked silly at Wigan in 1977 let alone on someone pushing pensionable age in 2012. It reminds me of someone going to a fancy dress party as Elvis, they never go dressed like him when he was a good looking 21 year old, they always do the comedy hair/sideburns thing with the big collars and sequined jump suits.

Is this REALLY how we want to be seen?.....

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Looking through the galley pic's see's outfits that would have looked silly at Wigan in 1977 let alone on someone pushing pensionable age in 2012. It reminds me of someone going to a fancy dress party as Elvis, they never go dressed like him when he was a good looking 21 year old, they always do the comedy hair/sideburns thing with the big collars and sequined jump suits.

At last - the chance to use the Elvis smiley!!! :elvis: :elvis: :elvis: :elvis: :elvis: :elvis: :elvis: :elvis: :elvis: :elvis:

Cheers

Richard

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