Lovelites On Bandera

[Ljblanken]

i just saw this copy of lovelites "found me a lover" on craig moerer's website on ebay and noticed that my copy has the same weird handwritten extra words on each side (the words "me" and "you better"). is this a boot?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/LOVELITES-I-Found-Me-A-Lover-You-Better-Stop-It-rare-soul-vinyl-45-/300509769599?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item45f7c72f7f

[Robbk]

I've never seen a Navy Blue pressing before. it might be legit, or might be a boot. I have seen only powder blue pressings on the original store stockers, which I bought in 1965:

Otherwise, I have only sen the white DJ. Both have Distributed by USA Records along the label outside edge, and have MW 931 and MW 932 etched into the groove trail. The navy blue copy to which you refer has a legitimate 1965 Chicago label style and look to it. I remember that style being used, and also some labels having used that on a press run at a different pressing plant from their major first local run. So, perhaps it is a legitimate issue.

Maybe Bob A. knows the history of this pressing, and if a navy blue labeled press run was made in a different pressing plant?

Edited December 21, 2012 by RobbK

[Guest gordon russell]

it,s not a boot..........tis a good tune as well

Edited December 21, 2012 by gordon russell

[pikeys dog]

(Sheldon?) Stamped original if i remember right.

[Robbk]

Then, it may be the original, local pressing, BEFORE Bandera made the distribution deal with USA Records. Bandera was distributed by VJ, and then (if I remember correctly) Constellation (via Dart Distributors), just before USA. That particular label format (of the Navy Blue pressing) looks more akin to Dart than USA or VJ.

[Blunny]

According to Mr Manship..........

https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/d/131085/LOVELITES

" first press with original titles, later repressed on light blue labels retitled I Found Me A Lover c/w You Better Stop It Lovelites members on this label were Patricia & Rosena Hamilton (later Patty), Barabara Peterman. "

[Steve Ss]

hi

my copy has same label design as the ebay scan.

titles are 'i found a lover"/"stop it'

constellation type label (dark blue colour/silver ink for type).

matrix is scratched not stamp.

had it a long time.

wanted their other track but could not remember title at time and thought it was this.....

why would anyone boot it?

it was never mainstream so not worth bothering.

ok tune.

cheers

[Ljblanken]

thanks for all the help! i just thought it was weird to have the same "handwriting" on multiple copies...

[pikeys dog]

thanks for all the help! i just thought it was weird to have the same "handwriting" on multiple copies...

They obviously sat and corrected the titles by hand.... 1 down, 299 to go....

[Ljblanken]

They obviously sat and corrected the titles by hand.... 1 down, 299 to go....

ha ha ha....send me that new intern!

[Suzannek]

Blimey is it £75

[Guest]

...tis a good tune as well

Hi Tel, I remember you asking me if I knew it one time in the record room at the Capitol Soul Club, as you were raving abut it then!

Was always a cheapie...Domar had quantity on both label designs as I recall.

[Guest gordon russell]

Hi Tel, I remember you asking me if I knew it one time in the record room at the Capitol Soul Club, as you were raving abut it then!

Was always a cheapie...Domar had quantity on both label designs as I recall.

Hello dave...how are you....l still have the dark blue copy with the title changed slightly in silver pen.....tis a good collectors tune....like most of their stuff.....how is the land of the riseing sun...almost went there once to train with a fella called mikio yahara...never made it though lol the guy arranging the trip ran off with the dosh before we went and l couldn,t afford any more oh well atvb best mate tezza

[Tai-pan]

it,s not a boot..........tis a good tune as well

A great record, seem to remember Nev Wherry first playing this back in 79/80 covered up as The Sharpets - You Better Stop It. He even got his girlfriend to draw the Sound City skyline on his cover-up label!

[Guest]

A great record, seem to remember Nev Wherry first playing this back in 79/80 covered up as The Sharpets - You Better Stop It. He even got his girlfriend to draw the Sound City skyline on his cover-up label!

Nice one Andy! I bet somebody somewhere is collecting the original cover up labels...apart from Butch, of course

[Ljblanken]

anyone interested...this looks like the original pressing WITHOUT the extra words written on the label...

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/LOVELITES-Northern-45-I-Found-A-Lover-Stop-It-NM-/271241736809?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item3f27447269

[Phild]

Mine is the same label design as the light blue scan above but the label is yellow

[boba]

not a boot but also notice the writing credits are different. ernie hines was a writer on the song (as he told me), the dark blue press leaves him off.

 

i'm not sure if manship is correct on the dark blue being the first press as the light blue has the earlier bandera logo and the dark blue has a later looking chicago font. the deadwax might reveal more info though. they might have left ernie off later rather than earlier.

[Robbk]

I'd vote for the powder blue (turquoise) being the older, as Bob stated, it has the older design, and i saw the powder blue and white DJs with that design when the record was out.  I never saw the dark blue version until much later.

[Shsdave]

I'd vote for the powder blue (turquoise) being the older, as Bob stated, it has the older design, and i saw the powder blue and white DJs with that design when the record was out.  I never saw the dark blue version until much later.

 

But why would they amend the label ? Mine is one of the silver handwritten amended copies & I always wondered about this. I always thought maybe it was a previous owner (although it looked mint when I bought it) but obviously not.

 

If it was the earlier release I could just about understand if they were updating the titles to tie in with a second release but not if it was the later issue ?  

[Robbk]

There are printer errors all the time.  The error could have been on a second issue, but the label owner decided to have the title changed by hand, as their publicity all had had the correct spelling.  We had some printer errors on Airwave Records, despite having sent correct information to the printer.

[Pete S]

I've had that dark blue one recently, and before, but never seen one with the writing on the label before.

[boba]

also i just looked at my shelf and saw that i had the earlier bandera design on promo and stock. i don't know if i've seen a promo of the later darker blue design. even if there is one, i'm still guessing it was pressed after "how can I tell my mom and dad" was a hit.

[Robbk]

also i just looked at my shelf and saw that i had the earlier bandera design on promo and stock. i don't know if i've seen a promo of the later darker blue design. even if there is one, i'm still guessing it was pressed after "how can I tell my mom and dad" was a hit.

I agree with this.  Never saw the navy blue one early, but saw the old design white DJ and powder blue store stocker in 1965. Never saw the Navy blue till 1969 or early '70s.

[pikeys dog]

Probably re-released to cash in on another 45 by them - I'd hazard a guess at 'My Conscience'

[boba]

Probably re-released to cash in on another 45 by them - I'd hazard a guess at 'My Conscience'

 

probably "how can i tell my mom and dad" which was earlier and a bigger hit

[Robbk]

probably "how can i tell my mom and dad" which was earlier and a bigger hit

This makes more sense.

[Tai-pan]

On 12/20/2012 at 19:48, RobbK said:

I've never seen a Navy Blue pressing before. it might be legit, or might be a boot. I have seen only powder blue pressings on the original store stockers, which I bought in 1965:

Otherwise, I have only sen the white DJ. Both have Distributed by USA Records along the label outside edge, and have MW 931 and MW 932 etched into the groove trail. The navy blue copy to which you refer has a legitimate 1965 Chicago label style and look to it. I remember that style being used, and also some labels having used that on a press run at a different pressing plant from their major first local run. So, perhaps it is a legitimate issue.

 

Maybe Bob A. knows the history of this pressing, and if a navy blue labeled press run was made in a different pressing plant?

Agreed. Andy K.

[Robbk]

I'm guessing that the navy blue was a legitimate re-issue by Bandera's owner.  He was still holding onto his masters in 1969, to take advantage of Patti and The Lovelites' new popularity.

[Tai-pan]

26 minutes ago, RobbK said:

I'm guessing that the navy blue was a legitimate re-issue by Bandera's owner.  He was still holding onto his masters in 1969, to take advantage of Patti and The Lovelites' new popularity.

Most probably now. Robb K, should us elders, really unless asked, give light to the origins of discs  gone by? 

Maybe there is said for them finding them out for themselves. 

[Robbk]

I assume that Bernie Harville is deceased.  Were the recordings on the Ace/Kent CDs obtained from his son?  Perhaps he knew the history of this record?  Ady?

[Billy Jo Jim Bob]

I've always considered the dark blue label to be some form of reissue as I've seen nothing else like it with the same label design. I'd never considered the reissue due to the success of "How can.." but it does make sense as its happened with other labels and artists.

[Guest]

I bought a dark blue label copy from a guy in the USA. 

The letter with the parcel said that the record was from his late mothers stock, and that she ran the label.

He was selling lots of the other releases on the Bandera label, doo wop sounding records etc, and all were in mint condition! 

I thought the dark blue copies of "I Found Me A Lover" were the local first release before it was picked up by USA records for bigger distribution?

Edited June 3, 2016 by Guest