lorchand Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 Hi Lorraine,firstly may I say what an honour it is to be in touch with one of the all time greats of soul music.when I initially started this thread I also mentioned that I thought they were slightly different takes.Jacks percussion work is more prevalent on the magnificents,what do you think? Thank you. The honor is mine. Jack has the tapes, so he could overdub other instuments or enhance as he pleased. I'm getting confused because I don't know when you mention The Magnificents are you really talking about The Smith Brothers? Anyway, when you have the tapes/masters, you can do with what you will. Lorraine
boba Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 Hi Lorraine,firstly may I say what an honour it is to be in touch with one of the all time greats of soul music.when I initially started this thread I also mentioned that I thought they were slightly different takes.Jacks percussion work is more prevalent on the magnificents,what do you think? I don't know why you keep saying they are different recordings. They're the same recording.
Guest Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 Ok boba what I am saying is the mam track has more of a tambourin in it than the soul dimension release
Guest Soulfood33 Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 (edited) Bob, you need to take a PROPER to the Smith Brothers - it is a DIFFERENT take from the very first note. Smith Brothers has the baritone sax throughout for starters and so many other differences I can't be arsed to list! Edited December 11, 2012 by Soulfood33
Roburt Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 (edited) it is a DIFFERENT take from the very first note. Smith Brothers has the baritone sax throughout for starters and so many other differences I can't be arsed to list! But did Jack Ashford just take the original 8 / 16 / 32 track master-tape & just 'add bits' (the sax) and then re-balance the prominence of what was on the other tracks on the tape to end up with the revised version. Edited December 11, 2012 by Roburt 1
boba Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 it doesn't sound like a different take at all. Just a different mix. The vocal take is definitely identical. The baritone sax hits at exactly the same spot at the start of both versions. It's just mixed louder in one. I can line both of the recordings up in a multitrack editor if you want to compare.
Steve Plumb Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 whats the information in the runout on the magnificents mam 45,,,,,,delta stamp etc someone actually told me this was a bootleg but ive never owned it or had a good look at one to find out Hi Dave Just checked the MAM copy and it has a Monarch Stamp and 'az' scratched on both sides 'There can be' also has '802-A-RE-2' scratched in the run out groove,and a 'delta' #99892 whilst 'Don't take' has simply '802-B' and a 'delta' #99891X although the 1 has been over-scratched from a 2! Don't have the table to hand but i guess this must be '73/'74 ish? Sure someone will confirm? Hope this helps? Certinaly interesting stuff that has been discussed on here a few times over the years? Cheers Steve 1
Swaggy Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 The smith brothers was a cleethorpes discovery it was covered up as the magnificents i know because johnny manship cut me an acetate to help plug the song it had magnificents written on it cant be coincidence.
Chalky Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 Hi Dave Just checked the MAM copy and it has a Monarch Stamp and 'az' scratched on both sides 'There can be' also has '802-A-RE-2' scratched in the run out groove,and a 'delta' #99892 whilst 'Don't take' has simply '802-B' and a 'delta' #99891X although the 1 has been over-scratched from a 2! Don't have the table to hand but i guess this must be '73/'74 ish? Sure someone will confirm? Hope this helps? Certinaly interesting stuff that has been discussed on here a few times over the years? Cheers Steve June ish 1976.
boba Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 June ish 1976. that is the date based on the delta numbers?
Chalky Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 that is the date based on the delta numbers? 99825 is June 1976 according to the monarch chart I have here. The chart was posted on here some time back the chart, goes up to 1978. 1
boba Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 99825 is June 1976 according to the monarch chart I have here. The chart was posted on here some time back the chart, goes up to 1978. thanks a lot
Ady Croasdell Posted December 11, 2012 Posted December 11, 2012 June ish 1976. Do we know when the Smith Brothers was or has that been stated already?
boba Posted December 12, 2012 Posted December 12, 2012 soul harmony singles has the soul dimension record listed as '74 and the shield record listed as 3/76
Chalky Posted December 12, 2012 Posted December 12, 2012 Do we know when the Smith Brothers was or has that been stated already? Don't think it's been mentioned, do we know what is in the run out?
Tlscapital Posted December 12, 2012 Posted December 12, 2012 It asys 1974 Don't think it's been mentioned, do we know what is in the run out? 2
Rich B Posted December 15, 2012 Posted December 15, 2012 Sorry to revive an old thread but I came across this in my itunes and played it - then I played "Payback's a drag" - what a great tune! Glad mine was a Smith brothers copy!
Neil Rushton Posted December 20, 2012 Posted December 20, 2012 Jack Ashford pressed up at least 500 copies of The Magnificents. Ian Dewhirst was in LA from August to December 1976 and sent me a handful, between 2 and 4 as I recall. In 1976 I phoned Jack Ashford and asked if he could supply 500?. He expained he had not paid Monarch for the run and they were still held by the plant, but if I sent him the money he would get them and ship to me. I never did the deal, cannot remember why. A
Dave Pinch Posted December 21, 2012 Posted December 21, 2012 Hi Dave Just checked the MAM copy and it has a Monarch Stamp and 'az' scratched on both sides 'There can be' also has '802-A-RE-2' scratched in the run out groove,and a 'delta' #99892 whilst 'Don't take' has simply '802-B' and a 'delta' #99891X although the 1 has been over-scratched from a 2! Don't have the table to hand but i guess this must be '73/'74 ish? Sure someone will confirm? Hope this helps? Certinaly interesting stuff that has been discussed on here a few times over the years? Cheers Steve thanks steve ..it does. think maybe the reason ronnie thought it may be counterfeit was the fact it had a late delta number...the train of thought being all 60`s records have a 5,6,7 or 8 delta mark with the 70`s boots being 9 or 10. and probably never thought that 70`s originals have the later delta numbers 1
Dobber Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 hi all,i have just uploaded my copy of the smith brothers-there can be a better way into refosoul and youtube,and then i was searching around on here for a topic on the song,its interesting to see that the magnificents on mam released the tune,and upon playing both side by side,they are defo the same song without doubt,and if delta numbers mean anything,then the smith bros is defo the first release!
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 Have been doing a little research and the connection with MAM and found these the interesting thing is that MAM also released Gilbert with the same Cat number. Also the Miko (Jack Ashfords daughter) connection is interesting too
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