Original Studio Acetates - Authentic Or Not ?

[Sheep]

Hi

On the subject of Original Studio acetates, was wondering are they all authentic or not, ie clever or not so clever later, much later copies.

Unlike proper releases, ie demo's stock copies, it is a lot easier to duplicate, any experience of this anyone ?

[pikeys dog]

look for the topic featuring Jimmy Radcliffe's Son on here - he sold quite a few acetates that he said were in his dads possession, that turned out to be recent cuts.

[Sheep]

Thanks Mr Dog , will try and find that.

[Sheep]

Unable to find, do you have a link for this. ?

[Pete S]

Here's one of his topics, if you search under the udername you might find more, something like mangoman2003

heres a better one where he gets rumbled

Edited December 6, 2012 by Pete S

[Guest john s]

There've been loads of snide 60s pop/psych/rock acetates go through ebay in the last few years - Pink Floyd, Beatles, and so on...

[Simon T]

Here's one of his topics, if you search under the udername you might find more, something like mangoman2003

heres a better one where he gets rumbled

Wasn't he selling an acetate of JR - The Trill of Loving You, when the original studio acetate had been in Andy Rix's possession for around a decade?

[Pete S]

Wasn't he selling an acetate of JR - The Trill of Loving You,

Was that by Budgie?

[Pete S]

He seemed to sell an acetate then miraculously he'd find another copy if two people wanted the same one.

One authentic thing he did send me though, was the original acetate of jenny Wren - Chasing My Dream All Over Town, it was by Barbara English and was the only recording of it in the world - unfortunately half the lacquer had peeled so only 90 seconds of the song existed. No idea what I did with it, might be on that old PC Simon!

[Simon T]

Was that by Budgie?

Was that by Budgie?

No, Adam Faith

[Chalky]

He sold quite a few dodgy acetates to a few collectors. I pulled I'm up on another topic about it as well.

[Pete S]

No, Adam Faith

I watched series 1 of that recently. You wouldn't believe how depressing it is, I always remembered it as being good fun.

Edited December 6, 2012 by Pete S

[Simon T]

I'd double check any 10" acetate especially if it had been 'discovered' in recent years; bear in mind Transco stopped making 'dinked' 7" blanks quite a while ago. I don't think you can buy them now

[Cover-up]

Wasn't he selling an acetate of JR - The Trill of Loving You, when the original studio acetate had been in Andy Rix's possession for around a decade?

But that's the trouble with acetates, it's unlikely there's just ONE studio acetate. Just because Andy Rix had one, doesn't mean another copy ISN'T genuine... Sometimes the same song can turn up on different labels etc. depending on if it's a studio cut, or a publisher sending out copies to interested parties etc. I just got a Chuck Jackson UK publishers acetate - you can hear the person dropping the needle at the start of the track. No reason to doubt it's genuine since it's a ballad and it cost 3 Euros...

The other problem is people cutting new tracks onto the flipsides of genuine old acetates - a whole other can of worms. Guess that's why some people don't like them. As for me... I love them! You just can't beat that original acetate SMELL - aaah!

[Sheep]

Thanks for most of that !, interesting about cutting new tracks onto the back of old acetates, new one on me.

Bell acetates, the ones I've seen have had stamped matrixs, is this always the case ?#

Sheep

[Chalky]

You could buy old 60's blanks not so long go, virtue etc. and get a new track on both sides of the acetate.

[Sheep]

There have been a lot of virtue acetates coming up on ebay over reason times, some did look highly suspicious. Any other info on other acetate labels ?

[Sheep]

I do remember a guy had a box of blank Pye labels, which he was giving away to other dealers at a record fair some 15 years back, but unlikely to ahve been used as the cost of cutting and the cost of the org, not a lot in it.

[Simon T]

Not very practicable advice, but if you do sniff them the old acetates lose their 'wax crayon' smell over time. However if you hold them up to a light and look at the very edge rim the 60 ones are very dark blue and sometimes dark green. The 80's ones are dark purple.

[Sheep]

Thanks Simon, that sounds like the acid test, will try that.

[Cover-up]

Not very practicable advice, but if you do sniff them the old acetates lose their 'wax crayon' smell over time. However if you hold them up to a light and look at the very edge rim the 60 ones are very dark blue and sometimes dark green. The 80's ones are dark purple.

You reckon? I think even 60s acetates STILL give off that, ahem, unique aroma...

[Simon T]

You reckon? I think even 60s acetates STILL give off that, ahem, unique aroma...

As an ardent sniffer myself, I agree but if you can get 60's one they do lose it's pungency over time; I think some of the chemicals they are made from 'dry out' and they become more brittle. I remember back in the 80's Jah Tubby's wouldn't cut an old acetate with a new track because it blunted the cutting head.

[Marc Forrest]

Wasn't he selling an acetate of JR - The Trill of Loving You, when the original studio acetate had been in Andy Rix's possession for around a decade?

not all of what he sold were fakes. it aint making it better ..but still. his fake ones were easy to detect as their made to look authentic labels could be peeled off by your finger tipps only to bring to light fresh new nineties label prints. got a kosher JR "you made a man out of me" along other nice things off him and but also got caught with one "bad" one.

[Simon T]

but also got caught with one "bad" one.

did you, or any one else for that matter, get recompense from him?

[Marc Forrest]

did you, or any one else for that matter, get recompense from him?

no.

lol

[Mal C]

Here's one of his topics, if you search under the udername you might find more, something like mangoman2003

heres a better one where he gets rumbled

God I remember those conversations with magnum, remember Barbara English - taste sour don't it, Pete? still got mine, and I kept all the paperwork of our conversations, he certainly had a way of answering direct questions with a politicians slight. slippery buggar, he offered to refund me, but I wanted the track so bad I paid the 200 quid...

Mal.

Edited December 6, 2012 by Mal.C.

[Pete S]

Bell acetates, the ones I've seen have had stamped matrixs, is this always the case ?#

Sheep

I've never hard of any acetates having a stamped matrix, they can't do because the stampers that make the records haven't even been made, the acetate is just a first cut demo.

[Sheep]

_{Thanks Pete, yes that makes sense, not sure where I got that from, must have dreamt it !}

Edited December 7, 2012 by sheep

[boba]

I've heard people say 60s acetates no longer smell but I can still smell 60s acetates. It's like the opposite of a dog, you need someone with a poor sense of smell to tell if it's from the 60s.

[Gene-r]

Was that by Budgie?

It was the same tune, but sung in Pidgin English.

[Mal C]

I've heard people say 60s acetates no longer smell but I can still smell 60s acetates. It's like the opposite of a dog, you need someone with a poor sense of smell to tell if it's from the 60s.

they do smell, just not so chemical-illy.. dunno about your dog though, somebody who is sixty, like a dog who has no sense of smell...