Is This Ethical

[Guest Stuart T]

So what does the 100 Club bring that a church hall in Beckenham cant......other than nostalgia?

Erm, is there a church hall in Beckenham that has the likes of Butch as a resident and Kenny Burrell as a guest DJ then? Its not that far from me on the bus so please let me know.

[Guest]

London was just not the right location!

Winnie:-)

Exactly what I'm trying to say....!

[Guest in town Mikey]

I dont think I have been anywhere up north where I have seen a room full of people in vests dancing to The Snake......actually, I may have seen something similar but that was after mind enhancing recreational pharmacuticals....

What London does very well is to put on smaller events catering for specific styles and tastes, and these are promoted by people with real passion for their scene.

What London does not have is the capability of putting on a larger scale event......because there aren't enough people here to make it successful.

So what does the 100 Club bring that a church hall in Beckenham cant......other than nostalgia?

Not being a promoter I couldnt say for sure, buy I would imagine the fee for renting a room for 3k people would be stratospheric. And who would want to pay a ridiculous amount to attend? Next someone will be selling tickets for do's and only allowing people in who have paid to use the transport THEY have laid on.

[Guest]

where you hiding under the table with chalky ?

for some one with such an high opionion it was a shame that chalky spent the whole night under the table as he had shit gear lol

perhaps he will read this and then start dreaming again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Wiganer1]

I'd come if it wasn't in London.

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hi gavin

welcome back to soul source mate!

i dont care what anyone says i enjoyed the rocket...great venue in the big room

my only disappointment was i didnt dj in there...

shame about the politics of it all however,,paul and kev must have lost a fortune....ive still got the flyer for the first niter,...the biggest venue since wigan casino....and all that

lets not forget ian did play some great records too at this time...does this make me a levineee stuart? ,(funny that one...)

regards

mark

[Guest]

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hi gavin

welcome back to soul source mate!

i dont care what anyone says i enjoyed the rocket...great venue in the big room

my only disappointment was i didnt dj in there...

shame about the politics of it all however,,paul and kev must have lost a fortune....ive still got the flyer for the first niter,...the biggest venue since wigan casino....and all that

lets not forget ian did play some great records too at this time...does this make me a levineee stuart? ,(funny that one...)

regards

mark

Hi Mark

trust all is well ?

Gav

[Guest Dodger]

Rog we disagree - but I did enjoy sharing a few non alcoholic pints with you at the Bass Museum oN SUnday

Yes, me too Steve, but I wish there'd been a little less alcohol in the pints I was drinking!!

And anyway, of course we disagree, you're a 'big lad' as far as collecting goes so you and I approach it all from a different perspective, but there always room for healthy good natured disagreement over the hobby we all love so much.

[Winnie :-)]

where you hiding under the table with chalky ?

for some one with such an high opionion it was a shame that chalky spent the whole night under the table as he had shit gear lol

perhaps he will read this and then start dreaming again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Who is this to Gavin, me?

If so, as I've already said I went to all the Rockets bar 1 and danced at all of them, the music is what motivates me, not the rediculous political spats. The rocket failed cos it was the wrong time, and wrong place.... period.

As I said previously if you have concrete proof of sabotage lets see it, then perhaps you'll win this argument!

Winnie:-)

PS. I also saw the guy giving out flyers outside, and as I recall they weren't for crossfire, they were for another event he promoted

[Guest in town Mikey]

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Who is this to Gavin, me?

If so, as I've already said I went to all the Rockets bar 1 and danced at all of them, the music is what motivates me, not the rediculous political spats. The rocket failed cos it was the wrong time, and wrong place.... period.

As I said previously if you have concrete proof of sabotage lets see it, then perhaps you'll win this argument!

Winnie:-)

PS. I also saw the guy giving out flyers outside, and as I recall they weren't for crossfire, they were for another event he promoted

Spot on Win.

And it was one of my faves too.

[Guest Stuart T]

...does this make me a levineee stuart? ,(funny that one...)

[Winnie :-)]

Spot on Win.

And it was one of my faves too.

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And one of mine, particularly in it's original venue

[Guest]

Erm, is there a church hall in Beckenham that has the likes of Butch as a resident and Kenny Burrell as a guest DJ then? Its not that far from me on the bus so please let me know.

Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying anything about the DJs

It's the venue itself that left me feeling very disappointed.

[Guest Andy BB]

Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying anything about the DJs

It's the venue itself that left me feeling very disappointed.

Oh well, if it's about the venue rather than the music then can I recommend you try the Hard House night at Aquarium, or perhaps Car Wash at Sound Republic.

That said, I happen to think the 100 Club is a superb venue for Soul.

Blimey, some people are never happy, do you want Jam on it?

[Guest Stuart T]

Blimey, some people are never happy, do you want Jam on it?

I'd recommend Heaven for that. From what Steve Manion has told me.

[Guest LUCY J W]

ethics !!!!!!!!

Edited April 21, 2006 by LUCY J W

[Rich Buckley]

I'd recommend Heaven for that. From what Steve Manion has told me.

Wrong on every level Stuart. Manion was always a Turnmills man

Rich

[Guest]

Absolute bolloc*s - and that's from a northerner.

What London can't do is play The Snake, Ski-ing in the Snow, and Lovin on the Losing Side etc to a room full of people in vests.

What it does do very well indeed is bring together a diverse bunch of people who really really care passionately about Soul music. I love events up north but you've got to be out of your tree to suggest that there aren't absolute quality Soul events in London.

The 100 Club..NOSTALGIA? Nurse! Nurse! Fetch this man's medication.

Oh yes. You are absolutely correct.

[SteveM]

Wrong on every level Stuart. Manion was always a Turnmills man

Rich

yOU STUPID BOY !

(Rich, PM me , whats "Tummils" ?)

[Chalky]

where you hiding under the table with chalky ?

for some one with such an high opionion it was a shame that chalky spent the whole night under the table as he had shit gear lol

perhaps he will read this and then start dreaming again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what the f*** you on about

[Guest Baz]

Take it that smiley means you're only joking re: not doing much for the scene in the 7Ts? He did discover a few records

Well was and i wasn't

Any one could have discovered them records!!! in the seventys you had a absolute huge stock pile of unherd records to pick through, can't really say there was much skill involved can you? With in the last ten/twenty years i take my hat off to people who have discovered 'unknown' records! but in the seventys it was like trying to find a haystack on a needle i.e easy

[Guest miff]

Wish I had'nt asked now

[Winnie :-)]

Well was and i wasn't

Any one could have discovered them records!!! in the seventys you had a absolute huge stock pile of unherd records to pick through, can't really say there was much skill involved can you? With in the last ten/twenty years i take my hat off to people who have discovered 'unknown' records! but in the seventys it was like trying to find a haystack on a needle i.e easy

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I see what you mean, but personally I think he discovered them so he gets the credit. I'm certainly not saying he helped himself with his attitude, cos I don't think he did. Anybody who puts him/herself on a pedestal runs the risk of being knocked off, but IMO he definitely has a place in NS history for right reasons as well as wrong.

Winnie:-)

[Ady Croasdell]

Just to reply to a couple of the sillier comments made on this thread.

The 100 Club has never had less than a hundred people. Perhaps the odd night in the eighties when Northern was not the done thing had about 120 but generally the numbers are 200-300. Tim Brown who claimed it was has never been to an all nighter there just a Xmas party with 300 in so I'm not sure where he got that from. He made several other mistakes in that article, one about Lou Johnson in particular springs to mind. None of us are 100% right.

Kent didn't press up the Magicians on commercially available single yet because we like to reward our regular supporters at the Anniversary dance with a genuine rarity. Carla Thomas and The Magic Touch are two that we eventually made available.

The 100 Club is mine and thousands of others' idea of the perfect club for old soul music, if it's not to your taste please go elsewhere and leave us to enjoy ourselves.

Have a nice day.

[Simsy]

Oh yes. You are absolutely correct.

Isn't he just!

what the f*** you on about

On about antagonizing members needlessly. Bare faced bootlegger and troublemaker. Look forward to the novelty wearing off, or a ban being put in place.

[Guest]

Hope i`m not speaking too soon,but Levinesidecar as buggered off

[Guest Baz]

Hope i`m not speaking too soon,but Levinesidecar as buggered off

In the words of Delgates of soul he'll come running back

[Pete S]

Isn't he just!

On about antagonizing members needlessly. Bare faced bootlegger and troublemaker. Look forward to the novelty wearing off, or a ban being put in place.

Oh, and don't want to fall out with you mate but didn't I send you a cd of the sounds that Gavin "bootlegged"?

And I f*cking hate it when people call for other members to be banned, it's like those cheating foreign footballers waving their hands about asking the ref to give yellow cards.

[Simsy]

Oh, and don't want to fall out with you mate but didn't I send you a cd of the sounds that Gavin "bootlegged"?

And I f*cking hate it when people call for other members to be banned, it's like those cheating foreign footballers waving their hands about asking the ref to give yellow cards.

Steady on. How can you condone someone coming on here and winding people up like this? People who post on here every day. It ain't on mate.

[Guest Baz]

Steady on. How can you condone someone coming on here and winding people up like this? People who post on here every day. It ain't on mate.

Dont think he's wound any one up really though Ian, just made him self look a bit of a nob-jocky, thats all, been one of the best threads on here for weeks, why would you want to ban some one for that

[Guest]

I have a message for the board.

Ian Levine was swapping records with someone in North Carolina. Amongst those were copies of The Four Vandals. They were sold back to the UK at appx £110.00 One of those copy was re-sold in the UK at £800.00 a sale in had NOTHING to do with.

[Simsy]

Dont think he's wound any one up really though Ian, just made him self look a bit of a nob-jocky, thats all, been one of the best threads on here for weeks, why would you want to ban some one for that

He referred to me mate Dave as 'Rimmer'. It's Dave, or Mr Rimmer. Has said Kenny ain't got a brain! :angry: And had a pop at Chalky for no reason. He's wound me up. :angry:

Levine threads always good for 4 pages +. You know that.

[Wiganer1]

Steady on. How can you condone someone coming on here and winding people up like this? People who post on here every day. It ain't on mate.

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god this this is the funniest thread in ages....i havent laughed as much in a while,...making my boring friday at work more interesting....some great one liners in here...

back to the days of ANS ....

im off to get meself a wigan vest !!!!!...now that would be funny!!!!

[Guest Baz]

I have a message for the board.

Ian Levine was swapping records with someone in North Carolina. Amongst those were copies of The Four Vandals. They were sold back to the UK at appx £110.00 One of those copy was re-sold in the UK at £800.00 a sale in had NOTHING to do with.

So he actually used them in a trade?

No differnt to using counterfit money still frud however you look at it

[Guest]

Anyone remember the Stock Aitken and Waterman's 'Roadblock' ? It was marketed as a 'rare groove' when that stuff was popular. A very clever bit of marketing that. Marketing being the operative word. Marketing.

[Guest]

He referred to me mate Dave as 'Rimmer'. It's Dave, or Mr Rimmer. Has said Kenny ain't got a brain! :angry: And had a pop at Chalky for no reason. He's wound me up. :angry:

Levine threads always good for 4 pages +. You know that.

And i`m the bloater who usely takes the bait calm down Ian,he`s not worth it

Edited April 21, 2006 by ken

[Winnie :-)]

Dont think he's wound any one up really though Ian, just made him self look a bit of a nob-jocky, thats all, been one of the best threads on here for weeks, why would you want to ban some one for that

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Pretty much agree with Baz Ian, don't think Gavin has succeeded in winding anybody up, he's said the same things he did 2/3 years ago, and recieved the same answers. Always will be like that unless he stumps up some proof of his allegations. IMO

Winnie:-)

[Guest Baz]

Anyone remember the Stock Aitken and Waterman's 'Roadblock' ? It was marketed as a 'rare groove' when that stuff was popular. A very clever bit of marketing that. Marketing being the operative word. Marketing.

So your saying........he marketed the 4 vandels?

Lets get this right!

Levene makes record with singers.......cuts it on too a few 45's with 60's looking lables, with the intention of passing them off as original 60's recordings, using these just pressed records in a trade, passing them off as original 60's records to another dealer, no marketing involved there Lies fraud

[Simsy]

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Pretty much agree with Baz Ian, don't think Gavin has succeeded in winding anybody up, he's said the same things he did 2/3 years ago, and recieved the same answers. Always will be like that unless he stumps up some proof of his allegations. IMO

Winnie:-)

Pardon me for not keeping quiet old son. Glad he ain't upset you on yer birthday. I like to get on with everyone. Just urks me to see me mates dissed was all.

[Guest]

zzzzzzzz........why do I get the impression that minds were made up years ago and nothing will make any difference !

Just a quickie- fraud is a very strong word - no fraud took place. The Four Vandals 45's went both ways across the Atlantic with loads of other stuff including Goldmine reissues, Grapevine reissues, Stardust reissues, Beach music 45's and CDs ect.

[Pete S]

I sold a copy of the Four Vandals for £500 on behalf of someone who posts on this site, before the scam was revealed. This copy had been rubbed around a carpet for hours by the looks of it, had writing on the label and a fag burn on one side. Considering it had only been manufactured that year, I'd say this was a real scam by the seller, who I won't name. But I had absolutely no idea and it wasn't until I showed the record to John Manship - it was the first he'd seen - that the little light bulbs started to flash...

[Guest Paul]

First of all, Ian Levine was a pioneering DJ at a crucially important time in the development of the "northern soul" scene. His input and his enthusiasm for soul music should not be denied - regardless of whether you love him or hate him.

Secondly, the Four vandals records wasn't a bad imitation of the real thing. I wasn't fooled by the scam but I'm not afraid to say it was pretty good track.

Thirdly, the scam itself wasn't the first of its kind. Remember Simon Soussan? Remember those impostors masquerading as "Bob Relf" and "Lorraine Chandler"?

The fact is that the scam almost worked (for a while anyway) because some people just had to have a copy BEFORE everyone else and were prepared to pay ridiculous prices. I can understand how annoyed they were when they discovered the truth but, personally, I don't have much sympathy. A man who is willing and able to pay £800 for a record should accept there may be a risk involved - especially if his motivation is ego or greed.

Let's face it, the scam itself was no worse than the everyday scams of record dealers who say they have "only three copies" when they sometimes have several boxes of them.

Paul Mooney

[Guest]

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god this this is the funniest thread in ages....i havent laughed as much in a while,...making my boring friday at work more interesting....some great one liners in here...

[Guest Gavin Page]

Anyone remember the Stock Aitken and Waterman's 'Roadblock' ? It was marketed as a 'rare groove' when that stuff was popular. A very clever bit of marketing that. Marketing being the operative word. Marketing.

Simon

Was working at Bluebird in Luton at the time remember it well Sold shed loads untill it blew up who they were. Same as Rick Astley as a promo white label 12 !

[Gary]

Just wondered what you all think

What is the differance as opposed to the old days with our old portable Cassette recorders

Dont think I would want to do it myself as leaving a nice shinny lap top lying around at a venue recording as I danced away the night. Is just asking for it to be nicked

Surely it wont be long before theres a portable MP3 player with a decent record function bulit in which will do it

Only differance I can see between then and now is the ease in distrubtion with the event off email etc

Say A DJ plays his latest discovery out and its a Killer tune. You get home, do a bit of cut and pasting and email the said tune of to all youre mates. then they do the same, and then on & on by the time Mr dj plays it out for the second time already well known by the 3rd or 4th week we all know the words .

Hence the life Span of said record is drasticly cut

So my own oppinion is NO over to you

Digital dictaphones will do the job more than admirably And can be downloaded to PC's etc and have huge storage capacity.

[Guest Mr TEA]

Hi Col, good thread

you going to Bisley Sat..

[Soulsmith]

Hi Col, good thread

you going to Bisley Sat..

Yes mate, it would be totally unethical to miss all that original vinyl spinning at the correct speed.

[Guest]

First of all, Ian Levine was a pioneering DJ at a crucially important time in the development of the "northern soul" scene. His input and his enthusiasm for soul music should not be denied - regardless of whether you love him or hate him.

Secondly, the Four vandals records wasn't a bad imitation of the real thing. I wasn't fooled by the scam but I'm not afraid to say it was pretty good track.

Thirdly, the scam itself wasn't the first of its kind. Remember Simon Soussan? Remember those impostors masquerading as "Bob Relf" and "Lorraine Chandler"?

The fact is that the scam almost worked (for a while anyway) because some people just had to have a copy BEFORE everyone else and were prepared to pay ridiculous prices. I can understand how annoyed they were when they discovered the truth but, personally, I don't have much sympathy. A man who is willing and able to pay £800 for a record should accept there may be a risk involved - especially if his motivation is ego or greed.

Let's face it, the scam itself was no worse than the everyday scams of record dealers who say they have "only three copies" when they sometimes have several boxes of them.

Paul Mooney

wi

wise words from a wise man

[Guest]

I have a message for the board.

Ian Levine was swapping records with someone in North Carolina. Amongst those were copies of The Four Vandals. They were sold back to the UK at appx £110.00 One of those copy was re-sold in the UK at £800.00 a sale in had NOTHING to do with.

i will name names, it was the almighty BUTCH who bought the record from north Carolina for $200 and then sold it to GINGER for £800 .

and then later Ginger thought it was a con and had a go at Ian , when it was nothing to do with him

Fact is that Butch made the most money out of the four vandalls not Ian

[Guest]

The 100 Club is mine and thousands of others' idea of the perfect club for old soul music, if it's not to your taste please go elsewhere and leave us to enjoy ourselves.

Have a nice day.

[Guest Baz]

You should practice what you preach , and where did you get the 1000 from

here is a rough work out on attendances

blackpool mecca regular attendance 300 x 52 x 6 years = 93,600

wigan casino regular attendance 1000 x 52 x 8 years = 416,000

100 club regular attendance 200 x 12 x 26 years = 62,400

100 club Needs to go for another 12 years for the turnstiles to match the mecca and another

67 years to match wigan

NOT IN THE SAME LEAGUE

Of course its not in the same league it rises head and shoulders above the rest! Oh who gives a flying f**k about attendances, the mecca and wiggan were in the hey day, when every man woman and there dog wanted to go to either one of them, The 100 club has it all breaking new sounds, with one of the strongest residancy line ups ever! as well as embracing the old classics! Out of all them nights you mentiond which one is still going strong............Looks like i'll have to tell you because you obviously aint that clever! its the 100 club, says it all matey