Instrumental All Niter

[Nick Hackett]

Whole night of instrumentals would drive me bloody mental!!!!!

[Denbo]

Whole night of instrumentals would drive me bloody mental!!!!!

So that's a NO for you then?

[Soulsmith]

Ref original post:-

Difficult question for me.

Similar sort of question would be "if you had a full set of teeth, which one's would you like to pull out?"

Too painful to contemplate.

Edited April 11, 2006 by Soulsmith

[Guest Jimmy Scriv]

Soul Improvisations Part 2 - Van McCoy

Lady Lady Lady - Producers

30 - 60 -90 - Willie Mitchell

Also good call from previous posters re All Turned On - how come that is never played anywhere.

[Simsy]

Not ganging up on you or owt denbo. But it has been argued before that instrumentals, either lack soul. Or are not really soul at all. I've always championed Paradox - Ring the changes as a great northern and indeed soulful instrumental, because of the horns and the beat etc. But I'd question the quality of all instrumentals all night.

[Denbo]

Ref original post:-

Difficult question for me.

Similar sort of question would be "if you had a full set of teeth, which one's would you like to pull out?"

Too painful to contemplate.

WHAT?

Why would it be so painful to play a set of instrumentals?

If you think about it, ALL recordings start with an instrumental. Most often it's the rhythm that catches you're attention first before the lyrics and it's the rhythm that 'drives' the record along, especially Northern Soul, not very often the lyrics. So, what gives with all this purastistical rubbish about Soul music deriving it's direction and 'meaning' from the lyrics?

Get real, we dance to the rhythm, NOT the lyrics!!!

But then again, I've had THREE N¸gne IPA's and that's enough to stun an elephant.

[Denbo]

Not ganging up on you or owt denbo. But it has been argued before that instrumentals, either lack soul. Or are not really soul at all. I've always championed Paradox - Ring the changes as a great northern and indeed soulful instrumental, because of the horns and the beat etc. But I'd question the quality of all instrumentals all night.

????

Nah, you're WRONG.

See my last posting.

[Russ Vickers]

no vocals just 8 hours full of northern instrumentals...

24 per hour on average ...* 8 djs = 192 records

what would u put on

what d'ya reckon....

a few from me

G Davis & R Tyler - Hold on help is on the way

Al Delory - Right on

Pal & Prophets - Peace Pipe

Dick & Paul Freitas - Siamese Cat

Peter Hamilton - Hey girl...

i love instrumentals me,,anyone else

I would rather stick pins in my eyes, whilst hopefully hypothetical, this has got to be the worst idea in the history of the entire scene, with maybe the exception of the 'Mod' themed Allnighters at Wigan & people wonder why others take the piss out of NS. This is the image that we have been trying to get away from for god knows how many years. There are odd instrumentals that are relevant to the scene & I'm sure there will be an odd one played in the future, but the vast majority are appalling & I for one feel embarrassed to be associated with some.

As for instrumentals having soul, your having a giraffe arnt ya mate, I'm not saying that instrumentals arnt good dance records in some cases, but the vocal is what adds the real soul & I doubt any sane person could argue with that.

I remember with some embarrassment when my wife first started getting onto the scene properly & whilst attending a local soul night which played a large proportion of Wigan instrumentals during the night, her face was a picture, a look of disbeleive, embarrassment & mild amusement, certainly if that was the true/real 'scene' she would never have turned into the soul slut she is now.

Nononononooonononononononononononononononononononononno

Maybe one or then, but not all night.

Russ

Edited April 11, 2006 by Russ Vickers

[Des Crombie]

WHAT?

Why would it be so painful to play a set of instrumentals?

I have once or twice thought about putting an instrumentals only CD together for the car, but I have always resisted the temptation fearing that after listening to about ten instrumentals I may fall into a hypnotic state, crash and probably kill myself and perhaps someone else.

I like the odd instrumentals but too much is not good for you...or the general public.

[Simsy]

????

Nah, you're WRONG.

See my last posting.

Furry muff.

Hats off to you mate, courage of conviction etc.

Still wouldn't work tho' there'd be you on yer jack, stepping about at 7am ..

[Guest Soultown andy]

Instrumental all niter or soul nite would possibly be the daftest emptiest costliest[to the promoter daft enough to do it]event ever.Not even the king of the instrumentals JV could make that work imho obviously denbo.

[Guest]

Might work, all you'd need is the worlds biggest elevator.....

-Mike

[grant]

Some great insdtrumentals around, mostly purely uptempo dancers - a full night of them - nah Mark..

couple I would like to hear played out though now and again....

Soul Hustler - Harley Hatcher - class!

Locke's Theme - forget who done this - superb though

Fantastic Plastic thingy magig - Harry Betts - try keeping up with this one now!!

Grant

[Guest in town Mikey]

I'm sure this was asked before, and not answered properly.

Would Junior Walker - Walk in the night, be classed as an instrumental?

And Cal Tjader - Soul Sauce?

[Guest NASHEE]

????

Nah, you're WRONG.

See my last posting.

Heres a couple of instrumentals 4 ya denbo

Ignore the spoken intro though

Edited April 12, 2006 by NASHEE

[Wiganer1]

Some great insdtrumentals around, mostly purely uptempo dancers - a full night of them - nah Mark..

couple I would like to hear played out though now and again....

Soul Hustler - Harley Hatcher - class!

Locke's Theme - forget who done this - superb though

Fantastic Plastic thingy magig - Harry Betts - try keeping up with this one now!!

Grant

=====

got the HH on a lovely white demo,,,got in my one and only trip to Lowton for £25

still like harry betts but this would horrify most if played today...

btw theres a great floating midtempo on the bside of the pressing of this called straight ahead..check it out..

.lockes theme is by bobs band on atco one ive been after for a few years..funny tho on the one live wigan tape ive got with this on,,,halfway through someone shouts something like 'mark freeman',,,3 years before i even went to my first niter...

spooky or what..

[Wiganer1]

Instrumental all niter or soul nite would possibly be the daftest emptiest costliest[to the promoter daft enough to do it]event ever.Not even the king of the instrumentals JV could make that work imho obviously denbo.

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well all things considered and taking on board the comments and with a heavy heart ive decided not to do an instrumental all niter...

please dont email me to change my mind my decision is final...

regards

fluff

[Denbo]

Heres a couple of instrumentals 4 ya denbo

Ignore the spoken intro though

Hello Missy,

Got the first one already. Don't know the Tomko. Not as good as Big Noise though is it, bit messy.

Seeya Friday night, as I'll be with Mace when we come to pick you up for the 'DUDLEY-DOO'.

[Denbo]

I would rather stick pins in my eyes, whilst hopefully hypothetical, this has got to be the worst idea in the history of the entire scene, with maybe the exception of the 'Mod' themed Allnighters at Wigan & people wonder why others take the piss out of NS. This is the image that we have been trying to get away from for god knows how many years. There are odd instrumentals that are relevant to the scene & I'm sure there will be an odd one played in the future, but the vast majority are appalling & I for one feel embarrassed to be associated with some.

As for instrumentals having soul, your having a giraffe arnt ya mate, I'm not saying that instrumentals arnt good dance records in some cases, but the vocal is what adds the real soul & I doubt any sane person could argue with that.

I remember with some embarrassment when my wife first started getting onto the scene properly & whilst attending a local soul night which played a large proportion of Wigan instrumentals during the night, her face was a picture, a look of disbeleive, embarrassment & mild amusement, certainly if that was the true/real 'scene' she would never have turned into the soul slut she is now.

Nononononooonononononononononononononononononononononno

Maybe one or then, but not all night.

Russ

You stated, amongst other things, "As for instrumentals having soul, your having a giraffe arnt ya mate, I'm not saying that instrumentals arnt good dance records in some cases, but the vocal is what adds the real soul & I doubt any sane person could argue with that."

So you agree then that instrumentals have Soul, it's just that the vocals add 'real' Soul. Is that not what you just said?

Now I've never argued that it's not the vocals that adds 'real' Soul to an instrumental but instrumentals can have Soul, which is why we all rave over the likes of Exus Trek, etc. Some records almost ooze Soul, or R&B, whatever.

Cast your mind back to the last time you said to yourself, oh my God, just listen to the lyrics/vocals on that record, I just gotta get up and dance. Chances were it was always the rhythm that got you going first, then as you listened more closely to the record and grew fonder of the record the 'real' Soul of the record kicked in via the vocals/lyrics, or the 'real' Soul. Well, on dance records anyhow, which is what Northern Soul is mostly about, dance records, right? But with Soul of course. That goes without saying. Or does it? Look at periods in the history of Wigan Casino. But that's best forgotten about eh.

Obviously, there is a LOT more to Northern Soul records than just it's ability to make you hurl yourself toward the dancefloor so that you can dance your little socks off and everybody has their own opinions on what makes a good Northern Soul record, but we won't go into that here.

Anyhow, I think this discussion needs closure, so I suggest that we just agree to disagree.

I love instrumentals and could listen to a few hours worth no problem. It would seem that I'm in the minority of perhaps 2 or 3 so will concede that it probably wouldn't work . . . but it's still a good idea.

I'm off quick before the next hail of opposing comments.

Been nice winding you all up.

[Soulsmith]

WHAT?

Why would it be so painful to play a set of instrumentals?

If you think about it, ALL recordings start with an instrumental. Most often it's the rhythm that catches you're attention first before the lyrics and it's the rhythm that 'drives' the record along, especially Northern Soul, not very often the lyrics. So, what gives with all this purastistical rubbish about Soul music deriving it's direction and 'meaning' from the lyrics?

'WHAT?' .............a touch hard of hearing are we?

'Why would it be so painful to play a set of instrumentals?'................the pain is that I feel deep inside, the wasted opportunity to lay a quality soul vocal over a searing 4/4 northern back beat.

So, what gives with all this purastistical rubbish about Soul music deriving it's direction and 'meaning' from the lyrics?................if thats the question you'll NEVER understand the answer.

Col

[Guest in town Mikey]

You stated, amongst other things, "As for instrumentals having soul, your having a giraffe arnt ya mate, I'm not saying that instrumentals arnt good dance records in some cases, but the vocal is what adds the real soul & I doubt any sane person could argue with that."

So you agree then that instrumentals have Soul, it's just that the vocals add 'real' Soul. Is that not what you just said?

Now I've never argued that it's not the vocals that adds 'real' Soul to an instrumental but instrumentals can have Soul, which is why we all rave over the likes of Exus Trek, etc. Some records almost ooze Soul, or R&B, whatever.

Cast your mind back to the last time you said to yourself, oh my God, just listen to the lyrics/vocals on that record, I just gotta get up and dance. Chances were it was always the rhythm that got you going first, then as you listened more closely to the record and grew fonder of the record the 'real' Soul of the record kicked in via the vocals/lyrics, or the 'real' Soul. Well, on dance records anyhow, which is what Northern Soul is mostly about, dance records, right? But with Soul of course. That goes without saying. Or does it? Look at periods in the history of Wigan Casino. But that's best forgotten about eh.

Obviously, there is a LOT more to Northern Soul records than just it's ability to make you hurl yourself toward the dancefloor so that you can dance your little socks off and everybody has their own opinions on what makes a good Northern Soul record, but we won't go into that here.

Anyhow, I think this discussion needs closure, so I suggest that we just agree to disagree.

I love instrumentals and could listen to a few hours worth no problem. It would seem that I'm in the minority of perhaps 2 or 3 so will concede that it probably wouldn't work . . . but it's still a good idea.

I'm off quick before the next hail of opposing comments.

Been nice winding you all up.

I agree totally with Russ' views, but at the same time would argue that IF an instrument could be soulful, then Junior Walker's sax, would be that instrument. Its a strange juxt-a-position on my planet.

[pow wow mik]

I like instrumental music but don't think the traditional Northern Soul song structure & beat is the best format for them to work. They nearly always sound like a vocal's missing to me. An instrumental needs a very strong groove that doesn't change chord too much or some solo's IMO, and fit's the funk, jazz or R&B style much better.

But the flipside of that is that funk suffers as a genre because it lacks tunes.

Stuff like: Torques - Bumpin, Bo Jr - Coffee Pot, Big Bo Thomas - How About it, Twine Time, , Joe Simon 'Whoo Pee'...these sound better to me than horrors like Bok To Bach and a lot of Northern instrumentals. Although that one Roger Banks plays is great, and the best I've heard...and Lenny in Glasgow plays one that brilliant too, dont know what it is though.

I must confess to liking 'Night of the wolf' too

Edited April 12, 2006 by mik parry

[Denbo]

'WHAT?' .............a touch hard of hearing are we?

No? It's an expression of surprise.

'Why would it be so painful to play a set of instrumentals?'................the pain is that I feel deep inside, the wasted opportunity to lay a quality soul vocal over a searing 4/4 northern back beat.

So, you NEVER play instrumentals at all???

So, what gives with all this purastistical rubbish about Soul music deriving it's direction and 'meaning' from the lyrics?................if thats the question you'll NEVER understand the answer.

I could have written that question in a better way but I was finishing my third pint of N¸gne IPA at 7.5%ABV at the time. Of course Soul music is a lot about the lyrics but it's also just as much about a feeling, which can still be derived from an instrumental. You neglected to include in my quote the bit where I continued to state, "we dance to the rhythm, NOT the lyrics!!!" Tell me that's not true???

Like I said, we must agree to disagree otherwise we will be here all day.

And I STILL think it's a good idea!!!

[Soulsmith]

Like I said, we must agree to disagree otherwise we will be here all day.

And I STILL think it's a good idea!!!

Alright, you've got a couple of good points there

Agree to disagree

Col

[Denbo]

I like instrumental music but don't think the traditional Northern Soul song structure & beat is the best format for them to work. They nearly always sound like a vocal's missing to me. An instrumental needs a very strong groove that doesn't change chord too much or some solo's IMO, and fit's the funk, jazz or R&B style much better.

But the flipside of that is that funk suffers as a genre because it lacks tunes.

Stuff like: Torques - Bumpin, Bo Jr - Coffee Pot, Big Bo Thomas - How About it, Twine Time, , Joe Simon 'Whoo Pee'...these sound better to me than horrors like Bok To Bach and a lot of Northern instrumentals. Although that one Roger Banks plays is great, and the best I've heard...and Lenny in Glasgow plays one that brilliant too, dont know what it is though.

I must confess to liking 'Night of the wolf' too

I like Mik's view on instrumentals here and I now think I understand how it is that we are agreeing to disagree.

My perspective comes more from an R&B standpoint, like Mik's I think, rather than a Soul / Northern Soul standpoint. He is 'in tune' with what most of you were trying to say when he said, "don't think the traditional Northern Soul song structure & beat is the best format for them to work. They nearly always sound like a vocal's missing to me." I wish I had said that 'cos he's mostly correct, although there are some instrumentals that transcend the need for vocals / lyrics in my opinion, and a few others too, when they mention some of the wonderful instrumentals quoted earlier in this thread.

So, thanks Mik for clearing that matter up but I guess somebody will disagree and we'll probably start the whole thing all over again. I hope not. But it has been a good discussion so, well done that person who started this topic off in the first place. I think you should finish off this thread with some final words of your own on the matter.

Have a brilliant Easter everybody. I fly back home to the UK tomorrow for a whole week with family, friends, good sounds (instrumental and vocal ), proper food, and decent beer at an affordable price . . . . . can't wait.

[Guest]

Wouldn't like a whole night, like most soul fans, but do still love em. Good for starting the night off i think.

Got a couple lined up for our do, was going to start with ;

Bill Blacks Combo version of 'Let The Good Times Roll'

Edwin Starr - Back Street ( which i always prefered to the Vocal)

& Sam Butera's version of 'Rat Race'

Other favourites ;

Soulful Strings - Burning Spear

Cal TJader - Soul Source

Sergio Mendes - Comin' Home Baby

Bebu Sylvetti - Spring Rain

Luther Ingram - Exus Trek

Ronnie & Robin - Sidra's Theme

Andre' Brasseur - The Kid

Could go on & on but let's not forget TUNE UP !!! , the best ??

[grant]

crap ones from TOTW ,,,

Great Instrumental - 'Michigan Move'??

[Billywhizz]

Wouldn't like a whole night, like most soul fans, but do still love em. Good for starting the night off i think.

Got a couple lined up for our do, was going to start with ;

Bill Blacks Combo version of 'Let The Good Times Roll'

Edwin Starr - Back Street ( which i always prefered to the Vocal)

& Sam Butera's version of 'Rat Race'

Other favourites ;

Soulful Strings - Burning Spear

Cal TJader - Soul Source

Sergio Mendes - Comin' Home Baby

Bebu Sylvetti - Spring Rain

Luther Ingram - Exus Trek

Ronnie & Robin - Sidra's Theme

Andre' Brasseur - The Kid

Could go on & on but let's not forget TUNE UP !!! , the best ??

What about(My little girl)The B and E band.

Billy

[Guest Awake 502]

Ronnie and Robyn

Earl Wright

Major Symphony

Patrick Bradley

San Remo Strings

Al DeLory

Phil Coulter

[Cunnie]

Ramsey & Co - Love Call

James Bynum - Love Music

Eddie Henderson - Say You Will

Atmosfear - Dancing In Outer Space

That's about all really...

[grant]

Broadway Cissy - Roscoe & Friends

Zola - King Errison

Dragnet 67 - Dirk & Ray

[Makemvinyl]

Adding me 2pennorth

Shorty Long Night Fo Last

Barkays Midnight Cowboy

TSU Tornadoes Play the Music

Little Sonny Wade in the Water

Isaac Hayes Theme from the Men

Jr Walkers Sax oozes Soul of the highest order so add

Sax Apeal and Daddy Deacon to the above

Doug

Current Funk Bros 24 Hours of loneliness

[leev]

funny, referring to bari trak, it's always been one of my favourite insts,and inded is one of my prized posessions

but it is strange how it is lauded as the be all and end all inst. now, i can remember back in the 70s when it got pressed up on soul galore, i couldn't get a d.j. anywhere to play it at one time.

some of my fave insts. not in any order........

raw soul = the gig

g.davies & r .tyler- hold on help is on the way

the tko's- the fat man

doni burdick- bari trak

sons of moses-soul symphony

carmel strings- i hear a symhony

milton wright- the gallop

al de lory right on

teddy van - colored man

willy and the mighty magnificents- funky eight corners

and for pure memories of the time mistura- the flasher, i don't give a feck what the n.soul music police say, this was in its day one of the biggest records not just inst, to be played and the dance floor reaction the likes of which i never seen since

i must admit mark, i love insts. myself and don't think enough are played compared to back in the day, i always try and slip a couple into a spot, but a nighter of 'em is just novelty gone baad

[Ernie Andrews]

Love the odd instrumental into a set or maybe play 3 in an hour would be just pushing it

But if I was Pushing it then these are the 3 I would play

Sam Ambrose & friends - Theyll be coming (is this the same guy as Dreamsville?)

Frankie Crocker- Ton of Dynamite

and saving the best for last would be : 8'oclock- Total eclipse- or for those who only buy pressings "Supertime " by the Golden world Strings - Sorry but this is sheer bloody Magic this record and epitomises why Northern Soul is Northern soul and not just some cheap crummie upbeat soul music.

[Dave]

Anybody mentioned The Champion?

And Willie J is almost an instrumental.

Scott Brothers , They All Came Back.

And Get It by Wilmer & The Dukes is better than any Jr Walker IMO, but if i was going to choose one of his it would be Good Rockin.

[leev]

Anybody mentioned The Champion?

And Willie J is almost an instrumental.

Scott Brothers , They All Came Back.

And Get It by Wilmer & The Dukes is better than any Jr Walker IMO, but if i was going to choose one of his it would be Good Rockin.

i wanted to list both willi j. and co and frankie crocker as they would actually be in my all time top five, i just thougnt some anorak would pull me up as they contain a couple of lyrics.

"do it frankie do it let's boogie let's boogie alnight"

[Jumpinjoan]

Instrumentals as a rule really don't do it for me ..... but then again there's this one ....

and boy ... it does it BIG time ....

[Guest NASHEE]

My top 5

detroit Land apples - I need help

strings and things - fabulous new york

derek & ray - interplay

luther ingram - exous trek

nino rienzi - the persian King

[Guest]

What about an all dayer all nighter Karaoke northern singathon!

Last one standing gets to shoot the horses.

[Simon T]

Could we also have an "a cappela" spot, I'd really love that.