What Will Happen?

[Guest geoffwa3]

Questions?

What will happen to the northern/6ts scene in say 30/40 years??

Where will all the vinyl end up and what effect on their value will this have?? (bearing in mind that currently records are changing hands for hundreds even thousands of pounds)

I have my views but interested to hear from you guys.

Geoff

[Guest dundeedavie]

Questions?

What will happen to the northern/6ts scene in say 30/40 years??

Where will all the vinyl end up and what effect on their value will this have?? (bearing in mind that currently records are changing hands for hundreds even thousands of pounds)

I have my views but interested to hear from you guys.

Geoff

well let's hear your views. it's what this place is all about

[Phild]

Well personally it doesn't much matter to me what happens to the scene in 30-40 years as I'll be in a little jar on the mantelpiece.

Mind you I don't want anyone else getting a hold of me records so they'll have to go in the furnace with me

Phil

[Guest geoffwa3]

More like your lifelong obssession with collecting records will be taken to a boot sale and sold for a couple of quid!! Time to ammend that Will me thinks?

[Soul-slider]

mmm...difficult one, the thing is there are loads of young people (17-30) who are well into the Rock n Roll / Rockabilly scence and paying high prices for rare Rock n Roll records, i've seen 'em at record fairs and the such in their heavy denim jeans, leather jackets and quiffs! the same will be said for Northern Soul records, lets face it, our kids know that they're valuable even if they don't particluarly care at the moment (they will do when we croak it and they think there's some mullah to be made that's for sure!).

I've talked about this many times with friends and I still think there will be a Soul scene of some sort in another 30/40 years...it'd be interesting what other people think.

One thing's for sure, the 60's especially will always be a very collectable era with oldies and youngsters alike...some see as the epitome of music.

Meanwhile, here's one to ponder...is swing, jazz etc from the 1940's still collectable? Perhaps all the o.a.p's can't afford them on their pensions!

[Guest Baz]

Well personally it doesn't much matter to me what happens to the scene in 30-40 years as I'll be in a little jar on the mantelpiece.

Mind you I don't want anyone else getting a hold of me records so they'll have to go in the furnace with me

Phil

So you would rather let some masterpieces of soul history melt, rather than let some one have as much enjoyment out of them that they have bought you over the years

Bah humbug

[Guest BIGBOY]

Questions?

What will happen to the northern/6ts scene in say 30/40 years??

Where will all the vinyl end up and what effect on their value will this have?? (bearing in mind that currently records are changing hands for hundreds even thousands of pounds)

I have my views but interested to hear from you guys.

Geoff

Geoff,

no problem with this my daughter has already informed me that along with my key collection, bank note collection, trainset, rare porn collection, six bikes and one very fast car she is selling the lot the day after my demise.

But she has a bit of a wait, 4 times a week training I think will render the collection worthless, now the train set that's a different matter............

PS Sophie is now 18 but actually like some NS toones................

[Simsy]

mmm...difficult one, the thing is there are loads of young people (17-30) who are well into the Rock n Roll / Rockabilly scence and paying high prices for rare Rock n Roll records, i've seen 'em at record fairs and the such in their heavy denim jeans, leather jackets and quiffs! the same will be said for Northern Soul records, lets face it, our kids know that they're valuable even if they don't particluarly care at the moment (they will do when we croak it and they think there's some mullah to be made that's for sure!).

I've talked about this many times with friends and I still think there will be a Soul scene of some sort in another 30/40 years...it'd be interesting what other people think.

One thing's for sure, the 60's especially will always be a very collectable era with oldies and youngsters alike...some see as the epitome of music.

Totally agree

[Dave Abbott]

mmm...difficult one, the thing is there are loads of young people (17-30) who are well into the Rock n Roll / Rockabilly scence and paying high prices for rare Rock n Roll records, i've seen 'em at record fairs and the such in their heavy denim jeans, leather jackets and quiffs! the same will be said for Northern Soul records, lets face it, our kids know that they're valuable even if they don't particluarly care at the moment (they will do when we croak it and they think there's some mullah to be made that's for sure!).

I've talked about this many times with friends and I still think there will be a Soul scene of some sort in another 30/40 years...it'd be interesting what other people think.

One thing's for sure, the 60's especially will always be a very collectable era with oldies and youngsters alike...some see as the epitome of music.

Meanwhile, here's one to ponder...is swing, jazz etc from the 1940's still collectable? Perhaps all the o.a.p's can't afford them on their pensions!

valid points - but i have to dissagree. I can not see the scene being the same in 30/40 years time because there are not enough youngsters getting into it to support it - i give it 15 to 20 years. the scene will continue and probably still be here in 30/40 years, but there will be far fewer events as there wont be the people to fill venues like now.

As for prices, i dont see loads of 17/18 year olds buying NS singles - as said before it will be a simple case of supply and demand - i think there will be enough collectors around to sustain high prices for those rare 45's that only a handfull of copies exist but there will be a large drop in price of the others. If any one thinks that they weill be passing on value to their kids in 30/40 years i think they are mistaken - the same goes to for those that say their records are their 'retirement plan' - unless they plan to retire pretty soon.

And, yes i have considered the relatively younger european and far eastern people into the music.

[paultp]

Questions?

What will happen to the northern/6ts scene in say 30/40 years??

Where will all the vinyl end up and what effect on their value will this have?? (bearing in mind that currently records are changing hands for hundreds even thousands of pounds)

I have my views but interested to hear from you guys.

Geoff

Take a look at Jazz collectors! At the moment there are loads of old chaps in their 70's or 80's popping their clogs and their relatives are wondering what to do with the hundreds of Jazz LP's they have inherited. Difficult to give most of them away.

Same thing will happen to 6T's vinyl in about 30 years time. Who will want it?

Sell your records now before the price crash .............. but let me have first pick

[Guest martyn]

Who cares where the scene will be in 30-40 years?I will be dead,the artists will be dead,the DJs who played the sounds will be dead & most of the venues will have been re-developed (car parks are always more in demand than vinyl).

On the bright side,our children & grandchildren will inheit some of the best music collections ever.On the downside they won't appreciate the records clutering up their homes,so they will put them in the council skip when it comes around.They will be at some point be dug up from the landfill by a 25th century Tony Robinson who will complain to a 25th century Mick Aston that the labels are water damaged & are holding the dig up from finding the George Formby 78s they set out to find.At this point,we can all laugh,thumb our chins & pour some more talc on the floor of the great casino in the sky

Edited April 9, 2006 by martyn

[Larsc]

Take a look at Jazz collectors! At the moment there are loads of old chaps in their 70's or 80's popping their clogs and their relatives are wondering what to do with the hundreds of Jazz LP's they have inherited. Difficult to give most of them away.

No problem, just tell them to leave the records on my doorstep. I will give them a good home

[Guest ShaneH]

Take a look at Jazz collectors! At the moment there are loads of old chaps in their 70's or 80's popping their clogs and their relatives are wondering what to do with the hundreds of Jazz LP's they have inherited. Difficult to give most of them away.

Same thing will happen to 6T's vinyl in about 30 years time. Who will want it?

Sell your records now before the price crash .............. but let me have first pick

very true this. someone close to me lost her father who was bang into jazz. his lp's were given away for next to nothing. some rare stuff by all accounts.

Shane

[Guest realsoulfan]

Questions?

What will happen to the northern/6ts scene in say 30/40 years??

Where will all the vinyl end up and what effect on their value will this have?? (bearing in mind that currently records are changing hands for hundreds even thousands of pounds)

I have my views but interested to hear from you guys.

Geoff

Tea parties in the local village/community hall if there isn't an influx of younger people accepted to take over the mantle what a legacy to leave

Edited April 9, 2006 by realsoulfan

[Cunnie]

very true this. someone close to me lost her father who was bang into jazz. his lp's were given away for next to nothing. some rare stuff by all accounts.

Shane

Ya not kidding Shane.

My old fella's 85 & he's still as passionate about collecting Jazz albums as we are about collecting rare soul stuff. You should see the trouble i have dragging him out of shop's like Rare & Racy on Division St.

[Guest]

we're all doomed

[Stuart Bower]

we're all doomed

Burn all your vinyl onto loads of CD`s. Sell all your vinyl back to the Americans. Buy a barge (with a CD player installed of course) and sail romantically into the sunset, ma`am....... To the sound of soul..

Edited April 9, 2006 by The Soul Intention

[Guest WPaulVanDyk]

Well most of you would die in say 40 years but imagine if you are 55 or say 45 you would only be in mid 90's and 80's if you are still around. But yeah most of you lot be gone. I just hope that the world in 40 years still loves Northern soul or will i be the only 65 year old still pratting around to classic stuff lol. I will have a good collection of records and all my friends will think i gone mad, send him to a mental home. I will say no i am fine this is Sam Cooke - Sugar Dumpling or whatever song enjoy it before we end up in the sky.

[Geoff]

Who knows what will happen in the future, but looking at other styles of music I can't see a big soul scene in 30 or 40 years time. Obviously those of us still alive and compus mentus will still love the music, but CDs or something else may be better than shaky hands and fingers trying to put a stylus onto rare vinyl. Assuming you still have a turntable.

There doesn't seem to be a big following for Traditional jazz for example, I mean the American music from the 20s and 30s; nor for swing jazz from the 40s. Presumably because the fans have mostly died or are getting too old. Also the musical stars have died.

Rock'n'roll still has a big following, but I remember reading an article a few years ago advising collectors to sell their original vinyl as it would be worthless in a decade or two.

Will old soul be any different?

Whether an influx of youngsters into the scene would save it is a moot point. Certainly many would be unable to afford the prices currently asked for vinyl bearing in mind the sort of financial commitments many face, university loans, mortgage or rent, plus pensions. I've chatted to colleagues at work and they are amazed by prices for soul 45s. And when you tell them the prices asked for "rare" records they can't believe it. They also find the original vinyl only policy at soul nights rather strange.

Possibly we will all be in old people's homes, God forbid, and they will play our records to us while we sit in chairs with our mouths open. Maybe tea dances with the tracks pitched down.

Sorry if this post is pessimistic, must be the way I feel at work on a Monday morning. LOL.

[Rob Wigley]

Have you seen the advert where the guy gets his brother turned into a diamond ?

Well bring your records round for sale and turn them in to diamonds for your loved ones !! (Before they do it to you !)

[FrankM]

There doesn't seem to be a big following for Traditional jazz for example, I mean the American music from the 20s and 30s;

More of a live scene than record scene. And the records are not that difficult to find and not particuarly valuable as listeners prefer CD's The original recordings are on 78's. There must a bar within ten miles of you that has a trad jazz band playing Sunday lunchtimes. Half the UK Jazz festivals are based on Trad outfits.

On the other hand 78's Blues collecting is still big but Blues fans don't meet up to listen to scratchy old records. They will turn out to hear anyone with a tenous connection to Robert HJohnson and Chicago Blues.

Soul music will last and there will be an audience in twenty years time still toe tapping to old tunes. Wheelchair shuffling will be all the rage. And the talk will be about hip replacements.

Here's the Radio 2 Sunday night schedule for 2026

21:00 Your 500 Best Tunes Kev Roberts presents a selection of your favourite popular Northern Soul classics.

22:00 Malcom Laycock Celebrating the age of Sixties Soul with music from the record labels of Britain and America. This week's Feature "Pye Disco demand - The Unissued Acetates"

23:00 The David Jacobs Collection The best in easy listening Modern Soul, plus Download reviews and Our Kind of Mid tempo let's not disturb the peace sort of soul Music.

[Guest Dan]

imagine if you are 55 or say 45 you would only be in mid 90's and 80's if you are still around.

[Guest ShaneH]

Well most of you would die in say 40 years but imagine if you are 55 or say 45 you would only be in mid 90's and 80's if you are still around. But yeah most of you lot be gone. I just hope that the world in 40 years still loves Northern soul or will i be the only 65 year old still pratting around to classic stuff lol. I will have a good collection of records and all my friends will think i gone mad, send him to a mental home. I will say no i am fine this is Sam Cooke - Sugar Dumpling or whatever song enjoy it before we end up in the sky.

paul, i would have had another hour in bed this morning if i had been you mate.

Shane

[Guest Matt Male]

There doesn't seem to be a big following for Traditional jazz for example, I mean the American music from the 20s and 30s; nor for swing jazz from the 40s. Presumably because the fans have mostly died or are getting too old. Also the musical stars have died. Rock'n'roll still has a big following, but I remember reading an article a few years ago advising collectors to sell their original vinyl as it would be worthless in a decade or two. Will old soul be any different?

This is a good starting point, to look at previous generations of music and how they fare today. There is a big difference though in that the 50s and 60s saw the start of the big teen movements attached to music and our scene (and the rock n roll scene) are continuations of that legacy so in some ways soul and RnR (along with others) were the first mainstream popular music genres so we can't yet look back and say that certain things happen to other genres. The people that were around then are still around today so things have continued fairly levelly for the last forty years (in fact isn't the northern scene more populas now than ever?).

The thing that makes me wonder, and it's been said before, is the average age of soulies. I know there are twenty somethings and thirty somethings on the scene, but even now i still feel like a younger member and i'm 40! You never know though in thirty years time everyone will be remembering the slump at the end of 2010 and the resurgence of northern soul in the 2020s... Then those of us who are still around, i'll be in my 60s, will be hailed as gods

Matt

[Geoff]

"Here's the Radio 2 Sunday night schedule for 2026

21:00 Your 500 Best Tunes Kev Roberts presents a selection of your favourite popular Northern Soul classics.

22:00 Malcom Laycock Celebrating the age of Sixties Soul with music from the record labels of Britain and America. This week's Feature "Pye Disco demand - The Unissued Acetates"

23:00 The David Jacobs Collection The best in easy listening Modern Soul, plus Download reviews and Our Kind of Mid tempo let's not disturb the peace sort of soul Music."

Well done Frank, you've made my day with this, might not be quite so bad being old. LOL.

[leev]

Well personally it doesn't much matter to me what happens to the scene in 30-40 years as I'll be in a little jar on the mantelpiece.

Mind you I don't want anyone else getting a hold of me records so they'll have to go in the furnace with me

Phil

Phil it's been a couple of months now mate, would you care to give me a call about James Fountain.

cheers