Progressive Northern

[Supercorsa]

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What were they buying in general though, oldies or underplayed?

I'd be interested to see some record dealers answer this question.

[Jumpinjoan]

Mr Kevin Roberts of Sheffield wrote them down in a book and published it.

I thought this was what it meant ... i have the book.

So it's one man's opinion on what he thinks the Top 500 records should be?

And that's ok?

I'm sorry but they're definitely not my Top 500 ....

[Winnie :-)]

Yep, I'm in agreement with the handle 'upfront' and what it infers. My point was that some that have claimed to be just that have infact just played 'rare' records, irrespective of genre.

Can't really comment on your examples as I don't attend a wide spectrum of events, just the ones that appeal to me. Though I would have thought your last choice would have plenty of plays in the main rooms at Oldies events?

Perhaps the reason they don't get played is they're just shit?

Jamie

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But who says they're shit Jamie, we were talking about underplayed, the examples I've given are underplayed, haven't heard touch the rainchild since I've been going out again, the others a handful of times. What criteria don't they meet? The reason a lot of what is now considered 'upfront' didn't take off first time was that it was considered shit, what's changed? Have the records got better, were the first people to play them (Searling etc) bad judges? Or are we, or some sections of the scene trying to create a new Wigan/etc to create a place for themselves in the history of northern soul?

Uni-ted, not sure what you meant by the pennies dropped, can you be more specific please?

Winnie:-)

[Guest Stuart T]

I thought this was what it meant ... i have the book.

So it's one man's opinion on what he thinks the Top 500 records should be?

And that's ok?

I'm sorry but they're definitely not my Top 500 ....

Erm, a widely held view, but I believe that describing a record as Top 500 doesn't necessarily mean it appears in the book, I think, but it is a by-word for a record being perhaps too obvious a play, or rather to make up a whole set with Top 500 records would be consider by many to be tedious and a bit naff.

[Guest Baz]

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I think we've established upfront is in fact underplayed oldies, so why aren't the likes of Pay your dues, Touch the rainchild, one wonderful moment played. Hardly played anywhere in 25 years, can they be classed as upfront? Or are we looking for more mid-tempo stafford kind of records that were/are underplayed? We'll get to the bottom of this unfront conundrum yet

Because they're shite

To me 'upfront' means lesser herd stuff that fits the current criteria of todays sounds lets face it one wonderful moment is shit, it sounds dated! end of, there are so many records out there that are just timeless and they are the key facts in our scene, the urgency and energy that some records create is timeless and could have been made yesterday! upfront doesnt have to be rare! just overlooked because it didn't fit in with the current scene be it in the 70's 80's or 90's and tell you what there is litterly 1000's of these records out there so why do we have to put up with some wannabe DJ thats chasing and spining the same records as every other tom dick and harry! At the end of the day its the promotors that need to wise up and stop using your mates as DJ's get some one who is capable to do the job! i.e some one who wants to be differnt.

[SteveM]

What, full of people pretending its Greenwich? That really is pushing SE10 a bit far. I really didn't think that fried chicken and dodgy Evangelical Churches would be that popular in Yorkshire, you live and learn. I spent a bit of time at Sheffield Station one Sunday but never ventured out, there was football on and it all looked a bit hairy.

It was always possible to tell when you had actually reached Greenwich, because the tramps and vagrants

sat on benches rather than in doorways, and had their paraffin, meths or Courage Directors in nice brown paper bags. And they had proper knives instead of the Stanley variety.

[Jumpinjoan]

or rather to make up a whole set with Top 500 records would be consider by many to be tedious and a bit naff.

I think that's great .... can just imagine someone sat there with the book checking to see who's 'naff' and who's not!

May even be someone out there who would know from memory .... now how sad would that be! Brilliant stuff

[uni ted]

winnie,not being funny here,but i was refering to "one wonderful moment" one of the many records that tend to make wigan casino a laughing stock,i did attend from late 74,and still doing the rounds now,and possibly enjoying the scene as a whole more now,sorry to disagree with your choices,but if i heard the shakers played at an event i had paid to get into i would want my money back,if i got in for nowt i would still leave,its just not a good record,and one forever a reminder of what a manipulater mr winstanley was ?

[Winnie :-)]

Because they're shite

To me 'upfront' means lesser herd stuff that fits the current criteria of todays sounds lets face it one wonderful moment is shit, it sounds dated! end of, there are so many records out there that are just timeless and they are the key facts in our scene, the urgency and energy that some records create is timeless and could have been made yesterday! upfront doesnt have to be rare! just overlooked because it didn't fit in with the current scene be it in the 70's 80's or 90's and tell you what there is litterly 1000's of these records out there so why do we have to put up with some wannabe DJ thats chasing and spining the same records as every other tom dick and harry! At the end of the day its the promotors that need to wise up and stop using your mates as DJ's get some one who is capable to do the job! i.e some one who wants to be differnt.

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No disrespect Baz, but who are you to say they're shite. Ok you don't like them, but have you ever danced to them with a 1000 other like minded souls, clapping, singing along? my guess is you haven't. The point I was making and still am making is that underplayed is just that, who sets the criteria for what should be played. I've done 'upfront' at various venues over the years, the truth is, is a lot of wannabees who want to put their mark on the soul scene, and often with sub-standard records. Now you shouldn't take offence at that, or be outraged because technically it's the same attitude you're adopting to oldies by just generally saying they're shite. You/me everybody has to accept that people have different opinions, we also have to accept that we are small cogs, and our judgement is no worse or better than anybody elses.

I would like to see the scene progress, but not if it means we're moving towards tea dance status.

Winnie;-)

[Guest Jamie]

I was proffering an answer, not asking a question.

Playing Devil's Advocate, I think it's a valid reason. They're underplayed because potentially people don't want to hear them because, ITHO, they're not very good

You've asked a lot of questions in your post, unfortunately I'm at work and don't have the luxury of affording them the time they deserve for a thoughtful reply.

I'll try and get on the machine tonight and carry this through.

At the end of the day, it's all subjective and one thing we can all agree on is we'll never agree.

Jamie

Edited March 23, 2006 by Jamie

[Guest Netspeaky]

winnie,not being funny here,but i was refering to "one wonderful moment" one of the many records that tend to make wigan casino a laughing stock,i did attend from late 74,and still doing the rounds now,and possibly enjoying the scene as a whole more now,sorry to disagree with your choices,but if i heard the shakers played at an event i had paid to get into i would want my money back,if i got in for nowt i would still leave,its just not a good record,and one forever a reminder of what a manipulater mr winstanley was ?

I can't believe anyone would leave a venue just because of ONE record being played they didn't like, rather childish behaviour me thinks As for Russ playing the Shakers you are years out as it was played way before the Casino, and was a long established oldie even in 1973.

[Winnie :-)]

winnie,not being funny here,but i was refering to "one wonderful moment" one of the many records that tend to make wigan casino a laughing stock,i did attend from late 74,and still doing the rounds now,and possibly enjoying the scene as a whole more now,sorry to disagree with your choices,but if i heard the shakers played at an event i had paid to get into i would want my money back,if i got in for nowt i would still leave,its just not a good record,and one forever a reminder of what a manipulater mr winstanley was ?

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Ted, I wasn't making the choices on a 'quality' front, but more on a they're never played any more. I actually like the shakers, but it's irrelevant in the debate as to what is underplayed. Some jock could play it and be right in saying it's underplayed, same goes for lots of other records. At the moment we have people on the scene sifting through records and saying this is underplayed, but it has to meet a criteria (what that is I'm not sure, which is why I'm attempting to find out) I find this difficult to follow. Venues up and down the country are playing something different, but obviously they're not all playing the same tunes. So who's right and who's wrong? Clearly someone is, because if they played one wonderful moment you'd walk out. To me that's a blinkered view, what if they'd previously played 10/20 a 100 records you liked, you'd make your judgement on just that one tune? Surely that's not right?

Winnie:-)

[uni ted]

p.s. is winnie? russ the bus himself,hope so been wanting to tell him what i thought of his taste in music for years,

[Guest Baz]

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No disrespect Baz, but who are you to say they're shite. Ok you don't like them, but have you ever danced to them with a 1000 other like minded souls, clapping, singing along? my guess is you haven't. Winnie;-)

Im me (a nobody) and i think they're shite, so i will say that horses for course's, no i've never danced to them with 1000 let alone 10 and i have no desire to what so ever.

I offered a answer to your question of what is 'upfront/progressive' (and IMO is spot on) how did you precive that?

With out these people wanting to put a mark where would this scene be now?

[Guest in town Mikey]

i guess sooner or later, all the new 60s and 70s stuff will have dried up, its already a trickle compared to my youth. Then we will have no choice. oldies/underpalyerd oldies/forgottenoldies. All the tuff in Dan's post will be the norm.

Will they still play Joey Di Lorenzo? I for one hope so ;-)

[Winnie :-)]

Im me (a nobody) and i think they're shite, so i will say that horses for course's, no i've never danced to them with 1000 let alone 10 and i have no desire to what so ever.

I offered a answer to your question of what is 'upfront/progressive' (and IMO is spot on) how did you precive that?

With out these people wanting to put a mark where would this scene be now?

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The thing is we're all nobodies in effect, we just go out and enjoy what we enjoy each weekend, then comment on it during the week on here. You have no desire to dance to any of the records mentioned which is your prerogative, but IMO that doesn't make them shite. They're tunes you don't like that's all. The reason I made the analogy to 'upfront' being wannabees was to replicate the style of writing you employed, dismissive. As I said in another post, the tracks mentioned are rarely heard, which is what you want to hear, but you also need, it appears, to hear a certain style of record to be satisfied. So I take your point, but as I've also said later, if different venues are playing stuff not heard very often who is to decide whether its worthy, you me anyone? Surely the answer is the dancefloor, rather than an elite panel of judges.

The mark some are placing on the scene isn't for me progressing it, at times it seems like some of those doing it are jealous because they didn't do Wigan or any of the other legendary venues. Maybe I'm wrong, probably I am, but others have said similar things to me, it's just a discussion point really.

Winnie:-)

[Guest Stuart T]

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Ted, I wasn't making the choices on a 'quality' front, but more on a they're never played any more. I actually like the shakers, but it's irrelevant in the debate as to what is underplayed. Some jock could play it and be right in saying it's underplayed, same goes for lots of other records. At the moment we have people on the scene sifting through records and saying this is underplayed, but it has to meet a criteria (what that is I'm not sure, which is why I'm attempting to find out) I find this difficult to follow. Venues up and down the country are playing something different, but obviously they're not all playing the same tunes. So who's right and who's wrong? Clearly someone is, because if they played one wonderful moment you'd walk out. To me that's a blinkered view, what if they'd previously played 10/20 a 100 records you liked, you'd make your judgement on just that one tune? Surely that's not right?

Winnie:-)

Surely nothing gets played unless a DJ thinks that at least some people will like it, as well as the DJ, whether it be a newie, oldie, unknown or whatever category is put upon it? I've heard sets where I've not liked a fair few of the records but have respected the DJ for playing the set and have some personal pet hate records but which don't ruin a whole set. Maybe the term should be "brave" because the DJ is playing a record that he or she reckons a fair few of the people in fron of them won't know. Perhaps even "foolhardy soul" would be more appropriate with some people. I think the complaint of many is that there are a lot of DJs playing the same sounds because they lack imagination (Dottie & Millie anyone?) and rely on the same records or maybe lack access to other records, or the courage to play them? Is there any point anyone DJing if they are not going to do something different to people who are already DJing, unless there is a dJ shortage (there isn't, they're all stood at the bar of most clubs moaning that they haven't been asked to DJ)?

[Winnie :-)]

p.s. is winnie? russ the bus himself,hope so been wanting to tell him what i thought of his taste in music for years,

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I'm not Russ, but if it helps you get something off your chest, I'll happily take on the role for you

[Guest Netspeaky]

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What were they buying in general though, oldies or underplayed?

Mix, some known classics, others hardly played out, they tended to pick items out of the box and listen to them, if they liked it the bought it, not talking mega buck items, but £10-£50ers. It's what I've said no baggage buy what they like.

[Guest in town Mikey]

p.s. is winnie? russ the bus himself,hope so been wanting to tell him what i thought of his taste in music for years,

Russ is about my age (40 and a bit), and seems to be at every venue in the country because whenever you go anywhere he always seems to be there, dancing until the end.

Winnie is about my age (40 and a bit), and seems to be at every venue in the country because whenever you go anywhere he always seems to be there, dancing until the end.

Ahh Ted. I think you may have hit on something here. All this talk from Russ about being in the Navy, and now 'living in America'. Is that a smoke screen because Winnie is getting tired of the costume changes....

I have seen these guys in the same room....but at the same time??? Hmmm Anybody?

Edited March 23, 2006 by in town Mikey

[Winnie :-)]

Surely nothing gets played unless a DJ thinks that at least some people will like it, as well as the DJ, whether it be a newie, oldie, unknown or whatever category is put upon it? I've heard sets where I've not liked a fair few of the records but have respected the DJ for playing the set and have some personal pet hate records but which don't ruin a whole set. Maybe the term should be "brave" because the DJ is playing a record that he or she reckons a fair few of the people in fron of them won't know. Perhaps even "foolhardy soul" would be more appropriate with some people. I think the complaint of many is that there are a lot of DJs playing the same sounds because they lack imagination (Dottie & Millie anyone?) and rely on the same records or maybe lack access to other records, or the courage to play them? Is there any point anyone DJing if they are not going to do something different to people who are already DJing, unless there is a dJ shortage (there isn't, they're all stood at the bar of most clubs moaning that they haven't been asked to DJ)?

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Stu, do you really think some DJ's don't play certain records to let other DJ's/collectors know what they've got?

Where's the balance though, if you're at a night do you want to hear stuff all night that you don't know. If you're DJ'n would you play stuff all night that the punters don't know. It used to be a DJ liked to look out at the floor and see people dancing, is that still the case. How many actually dance to stuff they're hearing for the first time?

I don't want people to think I'm plugging or supporting oldies only venues, I'm not, but I do think they deserve as much respect as anybody else. Upfront/progressive is still playing 6Ts 7Ts music as far as I can make out, is that progression or just another set of oldies?

Winnie:-)

[uni ted]

[Winnie :-)]

Russ is about my age (40 and a bit), and seems to be at every venue in the country because whenever you go anywhere he always seems to be there, dancing until the end.

Winnie is about my age (40 and a bit), and seems to be at every venue in the country because whenever you go anywhere he always seems to be there, dancing until the end.

Ahh Ted. I think you may have hit on something here. All this talk from Russ about being in the Navy, and now 'living in America'. Is that a smoke screen because Winnie is getting tired of the costume changes....

I have seen these guys in the same room....but at the same time??? Hmmm Anybody?

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It's the moustache change I've found hardest to master 3 before 8 anyone?

[Guest sydney bridge]

All my records are progressive,with the help of the deck and the needle,they progress from start to finish!

[Guest Jamie]

Will they still play Joey Di Lorenzo? I for one hope so ;-)

Alright Mikey

Off topic I know, but was round at Uncle Pat Brady's last night and he got a copy of Joey D in yesterday along some other interesting stuff.

I've never seen a copy of Willie Hutch on French RCA, beautiful it was

Ho hum, back on topic.

Winnie, what the blazes are you on about, man?

Jamie

[uni ted]

all i can say is,i tend to play underplayed oldies(when asked to dj,not often,and not begged for)cos i buy records for myself,not anyone else,i attend certain nighters which play stuff that is often a little off the beaten track,if i like what i hear i will try to buy it ,if its not mega expensive,and someone has one for sale.

as for different,will always play lee fields(tyras song)wrong side ,not in my world.

[Winnie :-)]

Winnie, what the blazes are you on about, man?

Jamie

[Guest Bearsoul]

The problem is Russ, no fcuker turns up to support the venues that are trying to be different, that's the cold reality.

I, on a personal level, am very much with you on the ethos of what the way forward is musically, but time and time again the 'keyboard commandos' moan about it on forums, but don't get off their ass and pay money at the door.

We're just swimming against the tide......

Jamie

LIKE THE 'KEYBOARD COMMANDOS' JAMIE...AND I DO GET OFF MY ARSE AND PAY MONEY AT THE DOOR EVERY THURSDAY WHEN THE MILKMAN CALLS WITH HIS LITTLE BOOK...SO THAT JUST AINT FAIR !!!

[Guest]

Mix, some known classics, others hardly played out, they tended to pick items out of the box and listen to them, if they liked it the bought it, not talking mega buck items, but £10-£50ers. It's what I've said no baggage buy what they like.

Thats exactly how you should buy records

I spent time with quite a lot of younger people this weekend and they do know what they like and want to hear and also they know what they don't and it's great as they don't like, or do like, because of what they feel in the music not because of what someone else has told them

[Guest Baz]

3 before 8 anyone?

Nah they're to far played out, to be in here

[Guest Baz]

Just looking for an satisfactory explanation Jamie to the enigma of progressive northern.

All ready said............IMO any way

To me 'upfront' means lesser herd stuff that fits the current criteria of todays sounds lets face it one wonderful moment is shit, it sounds dated! end of, there are so many records out there that are just timeless and they are the key facts in our scene, the urgency and energy that some records create is timeless and could have been made yesterday! upfront doesnt have to be rare! just overlooked because it didn't fit in with the current scene be it in the 70's 80's or 90's and tell you what there is litterly 1000's of these records out there so why do we have to put up with some wannabe DJ thats chasing and spining the same records as every other tom dick and harry! At the end of the day its the promotors that need to wise up and stop using your mates as DJ's get some one who is capable to do the job! i.e some one who wants to be differnt.

[Guest Jamie]

Winnie, what the blazes are you on about, man?

Jamie

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Just looking for an satisfactory explanation Jamie to the enigma of progressive northern.

Do you honestly think you'll get a satisfactory answer?

I think the only opinion that matters is your own at the end of the day

Catch you later,

Jamie

[Guest Jamie]

LIKE THE 'KEYBOARD COMMANDOS' JAMIE...AND I DO GET OFF MY ARSE AND PAY MONEY AT THE DOOR EVERY THURSDAY WHEN THE MILKMAN CALLS WITH HIS LITTLE BOOK...SO THAT JUST AINT FAIR !!!

Guys like you are in the minority. Not playing the violins here, just tellin it like it is

See you in Leeds next week?

Jamie

[Winnie :-)]

All ready said............IMO any way

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Yep got your take on it Baz, but still doesn't explain a lot of things. You mentioned fitting the criteria of todays sounds......who sets that criteria? Is it the majority or the minority, do some people think they know better than others?

Not quite sure what you mean by timeless either, I can usually tell if something is 6Ts or 7Ts, so rarely think, that was made yesterday (unless you're talking 4 vandals)

You also said let someone DJ who wants to be different, at the expense of what, the floor, the crowd. Would those who proclaim to be different want to DJ to a predominately oldies crowd, or would they want an open minded crowd? I ask these questions because I feel it's a two way street, but some seem to think their way is the right way, and in effect maybe alienating themselves from the mainstream of the scene??

Winnie:-)

PS. Sorry about answering you so often Baz, but you are one of the few trying to answer questions, which is why I keep replying Thought there'd be more of the 'usual suspects' (to pinch a Shane phrase) involved

[Winnie :-)]

Do you honestly think you'll get a satisfactory answer?

I think the only opinion that matters is your own at the end of the day

Catch you later,

Jamie

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Who knows Jamie, it's been spoken about enough on here, thought I might get a difinitive answer As for my opinion, I don't think it's particularly important within the debate. I think a lot of people might like to have a working definition of 'upfront', it would give them an insight into what to expect at a venue, playing that particular genre. Personally see it as just a bit more shared knowledge that the list may benefit from (not from me I hasten to add, but on the part of those supplying the answers.)

[SteveM]

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Yep got your take on it Baz, but still doesn't explain a lot of things. You mentioned fitting the criteria of todays sounds......who sets that criteria? Is it the majority or the minority, do some people think they know better than others?

Not quite sure what you mean by timeless either, I can usually tell if something is 6Ts or 7Ts, so rarely think, that was made yesterday (unless you're talking 4 vandals)

You also said let someone DJ who wants to be different, at the expense of what, the floor, the crowd. Would those who proclaim to be different want to DJ to a predominately oldies crowd, or would they want an open minded crowd? I ask these questions because I feel it's a two way street, but some seem to think their way is the right way, and in effect maybe alienating themselves from the mainstream of the scene??

Winnie:-)

PS. Sorry about answering you so often Baz, but you are one of the few trying to answer questions, which is why I keep replying Thought there'd be more of the 'usual suspects' (to pinch a Shane phrase) involved

As one of the usual suspects, you will know Winnie that my views are much the same as the ones aired by Baz, but I haven't posted until now because its effectively a re hash of a long running theme, whereby people have varying opinions and ideas. And where we must agree to differ.

Can't see the point of going over the same old ground, on a topic on which certain posters will never agree.

So IMO there can never be a 'satisfactory answer' because of the differing opinions posted on here. Satisfactory to who ?

Then again, I suppose I could be wrong !

[Guest Netspeaky]

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Who knows Jamie, it's been spoken about enough on here, thought I might get a difinitive answer As for my opinion, I don't think it's particularly important within the debate. I think a lot of people might like to have a working definition of 'upfront', it would give them an insight into what to expect at a venue, playing that particular genre. Personally see it as just a bit more shared knowledge that the list may benefit from (not from me I hasten to add, but on the part of those supplying the answers.)

For Upfront this can cause another great debate, but if you are looking for a club that caters across the board so everybody has a little of what they like then you should pay a visit to Broughton Wings, this club has been spinning as wide a selection of music for a one roomer on one night anywhere I've been to, so this could be a so called PROGRESSIVE club.

Ultra Rare 60's - Shrine / Margaret Littles / etc.

Club Classics - Sam & Dave / Drifters

Rare 70's - Fluorescent Smogg etc.

Classic Northern

Classic 70's

Crossover

R&B (Although this does upset Sam)

Motown - Supremes thru to the un-released stuff

80's, 90's right through to New Releases.

It's on this Saturday by the way, and no I'm not Djing so it's not a cheap plug.

[Guest Stuart T]

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Stu, do you really think some DJ's don't play certain records to let other DJ's/collectors know what they've got?

Where's the balance though, if you're at a night do you want to hear stuff all night that you don't know. If you're DJ'n would you play stuff all night that the punters don't know. It used to be a DJ liked to look out at the floor and see people dancing, is that still the case. How many actually dance to stuff they're hearing for the first time?

I don't want people to think I'm plugging or supporting oldies only venues, I'm not, but I do think they deserve as much respect as anybody else. Upfront/progressive is still playing 6Ts 7Ts music as far as I can make out, is that progression or just another set of oldies?

Winnie:-)

On the first point, yep, I reckon that does happen a lot. If I'm DJing I like to make sure there is some dancefloor action but also like to put in some other sounds that I don't think many will know - has to be done with some care, bit of thought has to go into it, and sometimes people will danec. other tmes put on a stone oldie and the floor will be empty in a nanosecond (I cleared the floor at The Dome once with Jewel Akens My First Lonely Night, was a bit suprised).

I could handle someone playing stuff I didn't know all night if it was good enough but I don't think there are many places geared up to do that, and I'll freely akcnowledge that there are many who'd hate that, so doubt I'd ever be in a position to play a set of records each of which I didn't think more than 10% of people would know. I'll still stick in some more adventurous stuff though, given the chance, but wouldn't ignore the crowd.

[uni ted]

if you are a half decent dj,you cater for the music people at that venue want to hear ,if you do not have the records,or do not collect that style of music,then dont dj there,quite simple really(bit like me,simple)

[Guest Stuart T]

if you are a half decent dj,you cater for the music people at that venue want to hear ,if you do not have the records,or do not collect that style of music,then dont dj

unless some mischevious promoter lies when booking you just to see you suffer.

[uni ted]

[Winnie :-)]

As one of the usual suspects, you will know Winnie that my views are much the same as the ones aired by Baz, but I haven't posted until now because its effectively a re hash of a long running theme, whereby people have varying opinions and ideas. And where we must agree to differ.

Can't see the point of going over the same old ground, on a topic on which certain posters will never agree.

So IMO there can never be a 'satisfactory answer' because of the differing opinions posted on here. Satisfactory to who ?

Then again, I suppose I could be wrong !

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I agree this subject has been discussed many times, but with SS constantly evolving and attracting new members I don't see it as a problem that it's being discussed again. Although our own views may not be fresh, new members could mean new perspectives, which is all good IMO in debate.

[Guest Bearsoul]

Guys like you are in the minority. Not playing the violins here, just tellin it like it is

See you in Leeds next week?

Jamie YER JUST MIGHT MATEY AND IT TWERE A JOKE LIKE

[steve z]

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I agree this subject has been discussed many times, but with SS constantly evolving and attracting new members I don't see it as a problem that it's being discussed again. Although our own views may not be fresh, new members could mean new perspectives, which is all good IMO in debate.

Hi Winnie,I believe you posted a similar response to a thread I started when I had only been a member for a short time........there have been new perspectives within the responses ,I believe

I have had Melvin Davis on KE-KE ...Its no news............ for a few months and had covered the flip ..Wedding Bells.........to find out if this tune meets the requirements of PARTLY answering your original post ,please pop onto John's R.O.R. for a listen.......unless this is an overplayed.............! ATB Stevie

[Guest gibber]

I can't believe anyone would leave a venue just because of ONE record being played they didn't like, rather childish behaviour me thinks As for Russ playing the Shakers you are years out as it was played way before the Casino, and was a long established oldie even in 1973.

I had 4 guys leave halfway through carl fortnums spot at the last lel and thier passin coment to me on the door " going to catch the last few hours at the post office club to hear some sounds they know "

[Guest]

I had 4 guys leave halfway through carl fortnums spot at the last lel and thier passin coment to me on the door " going to catch the last few hours at the post office club to hear some sounds they know "

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Andy g

Carl played some cracking stuff

[Guest]

As a northen soul fan I want to hear 60's style music. I dont like modern because the sound/arrangement isn't there for me. Therefore you wont see me at a modern do coz I dont like the toons. Id rather listen to the Beverley Sisters than a modern soul tune made in 1995.

[Guest Baz]

Carl played some cracking stuff

That he did Karen

Tell you what i have the uttmost respect for Carl.........He can play a spot of mega raritys, unknowns ect....and will always throw in something like lanslide ( even if it is not always my taste) and he's got the bollocks to do that, which is what i respect

As a northen soul fan I want to hear 60's style music. I dont like modern because the sound/arrangement isn't there for me.

[Guest gibber]

I can't believe anyone would leave a venue just because of ONE record being played they didn't like, rather childish behaviour me thinks As for Russ playing the Shakers you are years out as it was played way before the Casino, and was a long established oldie even in 1973.

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Edited March 23, 2006 by gibber

[Soulsmith]

As a northen soul fan I want to hear 60's style music. I dont like modern because the sound/arrangement isn't there for me. Therefore you wont see me at a modern do coz I dont like the toons. Id rather listen to the Beverley Sisters than a modern soul tune made in 1995.

That's just what I'd ecpect you to say..........head full of staples and all that.